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Iran Shuts Down US Virtual Embassy

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the close-it-down dept.

Censorship 451

bonch writes "Less than 12 hours after the U.S. launched a virtual embassy for Iran, the Iranian government blocked access to the website, directing visitors to a government page proclaiming the site illegal. The White House condemned the move, calling Iran's internet policies 'an electronic curtain of surveillance and censorship around its people.'"

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U.S. (-1, Troll)

InsightIn140Bytes (2522112) | more than 2 years ago | (#38298946)

The White House condemned the move, calling Iran's internet policies 'an electronic curtain of surveillance and censorship around its people.

Really? REALLY? F*UCK YOU U.S. You are EVERYTHING that is wrong with the world. Go f*cking away and stop crying about people why just want to live their lifes peacefully. You worthless pieces of shit who attack other countries and everyone who doesn't like your limited religious views. You are the scumbag of earth. Go eat your shit. You want to know why we dont like you? BECAUSE YOU TRY TO TELL US WHAT TO DO TO, YOU STUPID SCUMBAGS.

Re:U.S. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38298964)

Yes but... how do you REALLY feel?

Re:U.S. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38298976)

Hehehe, typo filled ranting aside, I agree completely. It seems beyond the average US citizen's mental grasp that there are people who would like to live peacefully whilst still being diametrically opposed to everything that the US stands for.

Re:U.S. (-1, Flamebait)

RobinEggs (1453925) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299072)

Hehehe, typo filled ranting aside, I agree completely. It seems beyond the average US citizen's mental grasp that there are people who would like to live peacefully whilst still being diametrically opposed to everything that the US stands for.

How about you don't lump us all together as imperialist, culture-bound yahoos? Where do you get this shit from, anyway? Fox News coverage of Michele Bachmann?

Re:U.S. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299394)

How about you don't lump us all together as imperialist, culture-bound yahoos?

Okay you got me. I will stop lumping you all together as imperialist, culture-bound yahoos. Instead, you are a bunch of racists who really, REALLY hate brown people. So much you love to blow them up if they are overseas and deport them if they are domestic. Iraq? They might as well have used muskets compared to what you were killing them with.

Where do you get this shit from, anyway? Fox News coverage of Michele Bachmann?

Are you really that much of a dumbass or are you trolling? You think Fox News is going to talk about the American policy of GENOCIDE towards South America so United Fruit could make a few more bucks? Think they will talk about using the CIA to cause civil war in Iran in the 1950s? How about Operation Northwoods where they planned to use a false-flag operation to finally get the little war they wanted against another shithole 3rd-world country that couldn't fight back like Iran and Iraq? We sure do love to kick around the little guys who can't really retaliate. Hell, no. Those things are 100% FUCKING TRUE but they make Amerika look bad so Fox will never, ever talk about them. Ever.

God damn you're a moron. People like you with the blinders on despite WELL KNOWN, PROVEN, EVIDENCE-BACKED abuses who CONTINUE to defend the ABUSERS and BULLIES OF THE WORLD are precisely what's wrong with the USA. You are why nothing gets better. You. Personally. You and all the other ignoramises who talk about shit they don't remotely understand, in the name of God and Patriotism and the Flag and what the fuck ever else.

Try educating yourself. No, really, here's a weird concept for you. Try researching these things YOURSELF, as in ON YOUR OWN as an individual instead of expecting some news corporation to do it for you like a passive sheeple. Pretend it's important enough to look up yourself, cause oh wait it kinda is. What will you see? That the USA are the bullies of the world. You know why the rest of the world hates Americans? They think its citizens understand and support what its government is doing. Personally, I think that would be an upgrade from being fat, stupid, oblivious drooling idiots who care a lot more about a fucking football game than all the blood that is shed in their name.

Re:U.S. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299622)

Jesus, what a whiny bitch.

Re:U.S. (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299464)

Try your foreign policy.

Re:U.S. (5, Insightful)

bonch (38532) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299122)

What does any of that have to do with the Iranian government censoring a website? You actually believe that such an act of information control is in the best interests of the citizens of Iran?

No wonder you posted anonymously.

Re:U.S. (4, Insightful)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299170)

it is not the place of the US to incite rebellion in Iran

Re:U.S. (5, Funny)

blue trane (110704) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299194)

It is the place of the US to stand up for unalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Re:U.S. (5, Insightful)

Shaman (1148) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299248)

How's that been working for you lately? Before answering, you should probably consult your Homeland Security Potential Terrorist Interaction Manual for the proper response, Citizen. Remember, the threats are amongst us.

Re:U.S. (1)

blue trane (110704) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299286)

Eternal vigilance. When we do something wrong, call us on it. When we do something right, like the virtual embassy thing, give credit.

Re:U.S. (4, Insightful)

aybiss (876862) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299502)

Yeah except you're incapable of wrapping your head around the idea that we DON'T think that was a good idea! It's like arguing with a religious zealot.

Re:U.S. (1)

ChipMonk (711367) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299530)

You're proving your own point.

Re:U.S. (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299342)

Very well actually. We do not live in a dystopian state.

Despite what some people would have you believe.

Re:U.S. (5, Interesting)

Nazlfrag (1035012) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299600)

Just the one with the most prisoners. And legal bribery of your politicians. And more military than basically the world combined. Yeah, just your average modern utopia.

Re:U.S. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299300)

So please explain Iraq. Oh yes and the 1953 coup in Iran that got rid of a democractically elected government. And half a dozen countries in South America. And......

Care to make an explaiantion?

Re:U.S. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299542)

Hey why not go a little further back, when they were dicking around while Nazi Germany ravaged Europe. Ah well, to bad for the French liberte, egalite and fraternite, hey it's not like the yanks owe them for anything, like oh I don't know their independence and the whole concept of life, liberty and prosperity.

Re:U.S. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299350)

It is the place of the US to stand up for unalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

If a website is a real threat to your regime then maybe, just maybe, there is something not right with the regime? But really this action is in the long run worse for the regime than anything the US would post on the site. People crave what they are told cannot have. It's a gift to the revolutionaries.

Re:U.S. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299596)

Tell that to ICE.

Re:U.S. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299220)

Oh, right, not only do all those Iranian people want "to live peacefully whilst still being diametrically opposed to everything that the US stands for", but it's the US's fault for "inciting rebellion" if they don't.

Re:U.S. (5, Insightful)

aybiss (876862) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299520)

No, just like the guy who can't grasp that the idea was bad, you've STILL got this idea that they have a right to an opinion on Iran because they live in the US.

And somebody, I *think* it was one of those naughty middle east countries, I can't quite remember which, has to pay for those twin towers! Right?

Over, and over, and over, and over again...

And now it's to the point where they think they can blatantly push their propaganda and nobody will call them on it. They just stand and crank the war-machine in plain view and we are supposed to go "hmm yeah, democracy and shit, we're awesome"?

Re:U.S. (-1, Flamebait)

HisMother (413313) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299576)

I'm guessing you are a 14 year old white boy in a New Jersey basement. Eating cheetos in your underwear, the whole nine yards.

Re:U.S. (1)

murdocj (543661) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299224)

You mean, by injected "unapproved" information?

Re:U.S. (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299258)

I posted anonymously because, well mainly I don't care, but also unlike you I'm not looking for an ego boost.

The real question here is why the US thinks it can interfere in the running of any country it decides to.

If the Iranian government tried to set up a web site for US citizens to read propaganda from, how long do you think it would stay up?

This isn't about culture it's about hypocrisy.

Re:U.S. (5, Informative)

ljhiller (40044) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299388)

Press TV IS a web site set up for US citizens to read propaganda and it IS still up. You are an idiot.

Re:U.S. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299524)

Press TV IS a web site set up for US citizens to read propaganda and it IS still up.

You can bet your sweet would-you-like-cheese-bacon-and-ranch-with-that-salad ass that if it had a link to a torrent of Marley and Me the US government would be all over that shit like a black friday shopper on a slightly discounted 4gb USB stick!

Re:U.S. (4, Insightful)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299422)

If the Iranian government tried to set up a web site for US citizens to read propaganda from, how long do you think it would stay up?

Basically, forever.

Or do you really think we block al-Jazeera? Or any other Iranian site? Just checked, by the by, and the Iranian government's Ministry of Foreign Affairs website is available online from where I'm sitting (though I don't read Persian, much less speak it, so I have to depend on Google Translate).

Re:U.S. (1)

aybiss (876862) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299532)

You've gotta be kidding! Al Jazeera is US approved middle eastern news. That's why it's the only middle-eastern channel available, even here in Australia.

Do you think between those bunch of countries all together they could only come up with one TV station?

LMFAO.

Re:U.S. (5, Informative)

ptudor (22537) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299552)

Al-Jazeera is a Qatari network, not Iranian. The difference is quite a gulf.

Functionally, companies in the United States block Al-Jazeera. I challenge you to actually watch their CNN-like feed on your local cable station. The best I can do is their half-hour daily news program broadcast alongside BBC America and (that wretched) RT News on KCET in Los Angeles; today I consider Al-Jazeera's reporting premeir among broadcast television.

We at slashdot all know it's easy to intercept and redirect DNS (unless you're in Sweden, those fine adopters of DNSSEC), or insert in a transparent Squid/whatev with a hosts file, but I'm confident at least they're probably not using Websense, years ago I installed the mod_geoip ruleset to deny access to daily updates for requests originating from embargoed nations.

Last time I was in Syria Facebook was blocked at the port 80 level. But ssh forwarding 3128 worked fine, hopefully no one was etherealing 53. Funny it took Syria three years to finally ban iPhones, I lost a brand-new 3G getting out of a taxi in Damascus... the one time I didn't photograph the license plate of the car I was getting into.

Seeing "Persian" instead of "Farsi" struck me as odd, but I suppose I'm the odd one.

Re:U.S. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299564)

It is not for you to say because it is not your country, it is not your race and it is not your culture. How dare you even imply that your way is the one true and correct way for a society to exist?

The US government seriously needs to back off and let other governments run their own countries. If the people in those countries want any kind of change, it will happen naturally without outside interference or invasions. The reason the United States is hated by so many countries is precisely because the US government can't seem to mind their own business, so why don't they work in the best interests of their own citizens and focus on the major, major problems at home?

Re:U.S. (5, Informative)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299292)

I think you'd find that there are a lot of U.S. citizens that are pretty disgusted with the way our country is behaving right now, both domestically and globally, if you actually asked any of us about it. Do you think that we're all over here cheering this crap on or something? There's people protesting in almost every major city in this country right now.

Re:U.S. (2)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299408)

that there are people who would like to live peacefully whilst still being diametrically opposed to everything that the US stands for.

Im not entirely sure you are familiar with what embassies are FOR.
Hint, having a chinese embassy in the US doesnt mean we love everything about China.

Re:U.S. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38298980)

trollolololololol

Re:U.S. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38298990)

Something wrong with open access to the Internet, bunky?

Re:U.S. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299008)

you really didn't want your karma did you?

Re:U.S. (4, Insightful)

DesScorp (410532) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299012)

The White House condemned the move, calling Iran's internet policies 'an electronic curtain of surveillance and censorship around its people.

Really? REALLY? F*UCK YOU U.S. You are EVERYTHING that is wrong with the world. Go f*cking away and stop crying about people why just want to live their lifes peacefully. You worthless pieces of shit who attack other countries and everyone who doesn't like your limited religious views. You are the scumbag of earth. Go eat your shit. You want to know why we dont like you? BECAUSE YOU TRY TO TELL US WHAT TO DO TO, YOU STUPID SCUMBAGS.

Well, where to begin here?

1 - The US is "everything that's wrong with the world". Really? If the US dissapeared tomorrow, just what do you think would happen to the world? Honestly. Do you think the world would suddenly live in peace and harmony? Hint: The US has only been around under 300 years. Have a look at world history before that time. Let me know how great things were.

2 - "Go f*cking away and stop crying about people why just want to live their lifes peacefully." Right, the Islamic Republic of Iran just wants to live their lives peacefully. And they do nothing bad.... like, sponsor Hezbollah or ship weapons or participate in kidnappings. Nope, if the US went away, everything would be right as rain in Iran. Right?

3 - "You want to know why we dont like you?" Who is "we"? The entire rest of the planet? Your country? Your neighborhood? Some guy ranting on Slashdot?

Re:U.S. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299052)

1 - The US is "everything that's wrong with the world". Really? If the US dissapeared tomorrow, just what do you think would happen to the world? Honestly.

Must have touched quite the nerve for you to take that literally.

Right, the Islamic Republic of Iran just wants to live their lives peacefully. And they do nothing bad.... like, sponsor Hezbollah or ship weapons or participate in kidnappings. Nope, if the US went away, everything would be right as rain in Iran. Right?

Straighten up your own act before whining about the rest of the world.

Who is "we"? The entire rest of the planet?

Pretty much.

Re:U.S. (4, Interesting)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299228)

Straighten up your own act before whining about the rest of the world.

People still complain about the last time the US tried that. World War II, I think it was. Didn't last very long (although, who knows what would have happened if the Japanese had left well enough alone.)

Re:U.S. (5, Insightful)

murdocj (543661) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299256)

No, the poster is reacting to the idiocy of the post. In a world with Putin grabbing power in Russia, North Korea investing in nukes while its people starve, Iran's theocracy feverishly working on bombs, Syria slaughtering its citizens, etc, calling the US "everything that's wrong with the world" is so moronic that it evokes outrage.

Re:U.S. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299366)

No, the poster is reacting to the idiocy of the post. In a world with Putin grabbing power in Russia, North Korea investing in nukes while its people starve, Iran's theocracy feverishly working on bombs, Syria slaughtering its citizens, etc

All the while US people are fighting over a 4GB USB stick [youtube.com] , now THAT is something worth fighting for!

Re:U.S. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299548)

Well apart from sponsoring coup's in countries, funding terroris.... I mean freedom fighters, invading countries without cause, GITMO and...

FFS, open your damn fucking eyes or get your head out of your arse. Yes, the USA actually IS what is wrong with the world lately.

Re:U.S. (4, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299578)

calling the US "everything that's wrong with the world" is so moronic that it evokes outrage.

During WWII, we invested an awful lot of money to develop our own nukes; Money that no doubt could have been used to put food on people's tables. We still work "feverishly" on bombs, except now we've gone from trying to create the biggest bombs to the most precise ones, and we're arming our police departments with drones capable of launching missiles that can fire through your window while you're eating dinner, kill you, and leave everyone else at the table undisturbed. As a bonus, we've oblitherated the right to a trial, to face your accuser, and to have the facts presented against you, as well as to have it all made public. Our police and military can now do pretty much whatever they want, and if you so much as make a peep of protest, we'll send 1400 officers armed with tanks, assault rifles, and full military battle gear... to deal with 50 peaceful protesters, on public property, demonstrating because they are homeless. We're slaughtering our citizens too, having the highest incarceration rate of any country in the world. Just because their acts of inhumanity are public and ours are private doesn't mean they're any less cruel. We rail on and on about China's Firewall and their tightly controlled media, while we're busy deleting domains off the internet on every server we can get our hands on that disagrees with our political agenda and paying homage to news sources like Fox News. Our news sources only come from a small handful of corporations, and everything seen on our television carefully created to give the appearance of controversy and openness, when in fact there is very little of either given the amounts of money involved.

No sir, it doesn't evoke outrage... the amount of crap our country gets away with is inspirational to the countries you mention; They hope to wield as much wealth and influence as we do, they're just less transparent about it.

Re:U.S. (5, Informative)

copponex (13876) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299620)

calling the US "everything that's wrong with the world" is so moronic that it evokes outrage.

The main difference between all of those countries doing wrong and the United States is that we do evil in other countries, and they do it within their own borders. That's doesn't make us better, it's just a reflection of our status as the world's only superpower and the relative health of our electoral system. We watched Syria and Egypt and Tunisia and Turkey murder for decades without saying much about it, because we found them useful. And back when we controlled Iran with a dictatorship, we shut down the free press just as we did after we invaded Iraq.

Hypocrisy is indeed what is wrong with the world. Grow the fuck up already.

Re:U.S. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299080)

> Really? If the US dissapeared tomorrow, just what do you think would happen to the world?

Canada would slide south and we'd be that much closer to real Mexican food!

Re:U.S. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299434)

... Well, that, or canada would have a lot more beachfront property.

Re:U.S. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299136)

2 - "Go f*cking away and stop crying about people why just want to live their lifes peacefully." Right, the Islamic Republic of Iran just wants to live their lives peacefully. And they do nothing bad.... like, sponsor Hezbollah or ship weapons or participate in kidnappings.

Strange. Just replace "Islamic Republic of Iran" with "USA" and the sarcastic statement would still be applicable

Re:U.S. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299226)

Right, the Islamic Republic of Iran just wants to live their lives peacefully. And they do nothing bad.... like, sponsor Hezbollah or ship weapons or participate in kidnappings.

since that's just as applicable to the US would say the US people don't just want to live their lives peacefully?

3 - "You want to know why we dont like you?" Who is "we"? The entire rest of the planet?

mostly yes.

Re:U.S. (5, Informative)

copponex (13876) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299528)

Right, the Islamic Republic of Iran just wants to live their lives peacefully. And they do nothing bad.... like, sponsor Hezbollah or ship weapons or participate in kidnappings. Nope, if the US went away, everything would be right as rain in Iran. Right?

The Islamic Republic of Iran wouldn't exist without the US. Remember, we destroyed their democracy in 1953 because they were trying to nationalize their oil fields, and kick us out. British Petroleum began its life as Anglo-Iranian Oil, which was known as Anglo-Persian Oil before that. The company was literally founded on the outright theft of all of Iran's oil, along with a handful of American companies that got their cut after Operation Ajax was complete. We installed the Shah, he repressed and radicalized the population with our money and training, and then the people revolted, as they often do.

We helped Britain divide and administer their post-war winnings after WWII that largely has started all of this mess. (Do you think oil-rich Iraq was divided equally into Kurdish, Shiite, and Sunni populations by accident?) We backed Saddam to punish the newly independent Iran after they overthrew our Shah. We participated in the proxy wars which destroyed Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran in the 80s. We allowed Pakistan to develop nuclear weapons -- as in, we certified them as nuclear free every year -- during the 80s in exchange for helping us smuggle weapons into Afghanistan. We backed Mubarak. We were pals with Gaddafi while he was torturing and murdering people because he was selling oil to us, but that was all the way back in 2009. We allow Turkey to murder and suppress Kurds at their whim because they are an ally. We didn't say much about Syria at first because it was one of our blacksites. We're still watching Bahrainis get murdered because we like the sitting government that allows our fleet that we use to project power into that Middle East to have a massive billion dollar operations base.

The US isn't the root of all evil, but in the modern Middle East, it's the root of most of it.

Re:U.S. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299562)

1 - The US is "everything that's wrong with the world". Really? If the US dissapeared tomorrow, just what do you think would happen to the world? Honestly. Do you think the world would suddenly live in peace and harmony? Hint: The US has only been around under 300 years. Have a look at world history before that time. Let me know how great things were.

I think half the world could stop living in fear. Your 300 years point makes no sense, there's been 160 million people killed in wars in the 20th century. The existence of the US makes no difference to world history.

2 - "Go f*cking away and stop crying about people why just want to live their lifes peacefully." Right, the Islamic Republic of Iran just wants to live their lives peacefully. And they do nothing bad.... like, sponsor Hezbollah or ship weapons or participate in kidnappings. Nope, if the US went away, everything would be right as rain in Iran. Right?

Do you read, do you know anything except what FOX pours down your throat nightly??? Iran does want to just be left alone. Fuck, they want to use nuclear tech for energy, get accused of making weapons, are more open with inspectors than any country ever could be (You don't see Israel or the US getting there programs inspected do you?), and then the US continues to straight out lie to you, like you're fucking sheep. You Americans are that fucking dumb you just forgot they lied about WMDs and Saddam - And that was because he didn't want to sell oil for US dollars anymore. He let is inspectors who found nothing, but your government LIED to you. And now again, in Iran, inspectors have said there's nothing, so they fired that guy and put someone else in who magically says there is?? You're a sheep.

And in regards to sponsoring anything, they are right next to Israel, who do have nukes, and have straight out said they will use them against Iran. What would you do, sit around doing nothing, just be a Jew's bitch?

3 - "You want to know why we dont like you?" Who is "we"? The entire rest of the planet? Your country? Your neighborhood? Some guy ranting on Slashdot?

No, it's the rest of the planet, just something to make you realise how just fucked up the US is, they think they own the world, I can't wait to see your whole country tear itself apart soon.

http://killinghope.org/superogue/bomb.htm

Re:U.S. (4, Insightful)

bonch (38532) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299138)

So, uh...what does any of that insane ranting have to do with the Iranian government censoring websites?

Re:U.S. (1)

pclminion (145572) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299268)

Seriously? On a scale of 1 to "bomb the shit out of Iran", I'd rank a verbal scolding from the White House a solid 1.

Really now? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38298954)

Rather ironic considering that the U.S. government is doing everything in its power to censor its _own_ people on the Internet.

Fuck Americans. 9/11 was justified as far as I'm concerned, ignorant, pig-headed, gun-toting shits got what they deserved.

Re:Really now? (4, Insightful)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299006)

Rather ironic considering that the U.S. government is doing everything in its power to censor its _own_ people on the Internet.

Oh give it a rest you anonymous coward. I'm not American and I don't live in the USA, but if you hate the place so much go live in a *real* police state. Then you'll know what censorship really is. I guarantee you if Iran were to host an "eEmbassy" not only would the US government not block it, they'd have no means to do so other than the courts, and the courts would tell the government to piss off.

Re:Really now? (3, Insightful)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299030)

but if you hate the place so much go live in a *real* police state.

"If it could be worse, then the current situation is objectively good..."

Re:Really now? (2, Interesting)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299068)

"If it could be worse, then the current situation is objectively good..."

Not what he said. What he said was it could be actually *bad*, but that it wasn't, at least not for the moment.

I would add that it could also be *better*.

Re:Really now? (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299192)

I didn't see him say that. Either way, "bad" is subjective.

Re:Really now? (1)

murdocj (543661) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299282)

Yeah, given that the situation in the USA is that I have free speech, freedom of movement, freedom to vote for whoever I want, freedom to cruise the Internet, freedom to read foreign press, freedom to observe my government at work, yes, the situation is objectively good. Or to put it another way, point me to a spot on this planet where the situation is significantly better.

Re:Really now? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299336)

You had me until the watching my (our) government at work. Everything that really matters we don't see until it is too late. We get a damn dog and pony show while meeting are held behind closed doors with lobbyists deciding what is in "our best interests". Most of our reps don't even read most of the material they vote for. How the hell can you vote for something that changes the laws of the land if you haven't even read it?

fascism is the catcha. That's too funny considering the thread. Are they picked randomly?

Re:Really now? (2, Insightful)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299368)

Yeah, given that the situation in the USA is that I have free speech, freedom of movement, freedom to vote for whoever I want, freedom to cruise the Internet, freedom to read foreign press, freedom to observe my government at work, yes

I don't care for the whole pedophile and terrorist hysteria. The TSA, the Patriot act, the (in my opinion) ridiculous copyright laws, etc. I'd say many of our freedoms are under constant assault.

As for free speech, just look to free speech zones (and, although generally not regarded as a bad thing, certain speech such as slander is punishable).

objectively good

That was supposed to be sarcastic. I don't see how something could possibly be "objectively" good.

Or to put it another way, point me to a spot on this planet where the situation is significantly better.

Well, since "better" is subjective, I could point you to practically any country on the planet.

Re:Really now? (5, Interesting)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299140)

It is hard for the US to call out other countries on their censorship when the US government itself is pushing for censorship. Here is what the conversation looks like:

US: Hey, Iran! Stop blocking foreign websites!
Iran: We are just blocking websites that break our laws. You did the same thing when it came to copyright infringement!
US: Well that was different. Copyright infringement is theft!
Iran: Yeah well those foreign websites amounted to an attempt to coerce our citizens to rebel against the government! That is even worse!
US: Well uhh you see...you are doing it for political reasons, so that is bad!
Iran: Well what is up with your copyright lobbyists and the influence they wield over your congress and executive branch?
US: herp derp.

Re:Really now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299338)

It is hard for the US to call out other countries on their censorship when the US government itself is pushing for censorship. Here is what the conversation looks like:

US: Hey, Iran! Stop blocking foreign websites!

Iran: We are just blocking websites that break our laws. You did the same thing when it came to copyright infringement!

US: Well that was different. Copyright infringement is theft!

Iran: Yeah well those foreign websites amounted to an attempt to coerce our citizens to rebel against the government! That is even worse!

US: Well uhh you see...you are doing it for political reasons, so that is bad!

Iran: Well what is up with your copyright lobbyists and the influence they wield over your congress and executive branch?

US: herp derp.

Thatd what i call right on target !

Re:Really now? (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299540)

Maybe the US should just say, "appeal to hypocrisy."

Re:Really now? (5, Informative)

Stradenko (160417) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299164)

USA isn't as bad as X, therefore USA is good?
I hit my wife with an open hand...it's okay, 'though, because this guy I know hits his wife with a baton and at least I'm better than that.

I am an American and I live in the USA. Don't forget that "the courts" are also part of the government. The federal government often and egregiously oversteps the specific privileges granted to it by the constitution; the courts, supreme and otherwise, often allow this to happen. Our government, the judicial part of it included, have made great strides in the restriction of personal freedom, including the field of censorship.

Don't get me wrong, the USA is pretty cool, and our government is definitely an open-handed beater, but just because Iran's government sucks more, that doesn't mean that our government doesn't suck quite a bit on its own.

Re:Really now? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299236)

Tell that to Bradly Manning or maybe even Jullian Assange

Re:Really now? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299334)

Oh, go suck a dick you worthless piece of shit Canadian. Isn't that what you people are good at, sucking dick and curling, faggot? Know what I loved? The Montreal Massacre. Bunch of your ugly, frog whores got shot up and killed. Best thing to come out of your miserable excuse for a country. Stuff that in your ass you passive aggressive little bitch.

By the way, if you're actually capable of reading (seeing as how you're a Cafuck I somehow doubt it), look up the definition of "troll" on the Internet. You just took the bait. Thanks for being a good sport, cuntrag. Go ahead, think up some other puny, weak insult to throw my way, I won't be around to read it. I already made a victim out of you and got my entertainment out of you. You're no use to me any more. Hell, you probably weren't any use to anyone to begin with, were you Cafuck?

Re:Really now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299612)

Do your parents know what is wrong with you?

Re:Really now? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299410)

"not only would the US government not block it"

You must be new here. Just peruse our last few weeks' headlines. The US *can* and *will* censor absolutely anything they like without regard for what anyone else thinks.

I agree! (0, Troll)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#38298958)

Blocking websites like this is a bad thing; I wholeheartedly agree. Now, what was that about the Obama administration pushing for a Great Firewall of America?

Re:I agree! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299152)

So that's the newest "Blame Obama" thing? The president had nothing to do with it. Both versions (SOPA and PROTECTIP) were introduced by Republicans. Though both have co-sponsors from both parties. Pelosi and Biden have both said that the bills are a bad idea.

I guess everything that goes through Congress that conservatives don't like must have been pushed by Obama. Even though it's a Republican bill to begin with.

Re:I agree! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299400)

And I guess every time someone points the finger at Obama they must be a conservative?
 
If you want other people to open up to doing a bit of research and be rational about their point of view it only makes sense to clean up your own backyard first.

Re:I agree! (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299498)

> 50% of the time, yes

Re:I agree! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299504)

This strikes me as childishness taken to the extreme. Maybe President Obama should arm-wrestle Mullah Supreme to end the differences between the ruling classes of both nations.

Extending a hand (-1, Flamebait)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 2 years ago | (#38298996)

The Iranians must stand up, revolt, and kill the angry loud minority that are the religious Basijis and Clerics.

Then you will be free like we are. So we can invite you over to the United States and have you kill Perry, Bachmann, and all of the greedy, fattened Reaganite baby-boomers and neocon chickenhawks that were causing all of the problems in your country. Then we'd be free and prosperous together.

Re:Extending a hand (1)

blue trane (110704) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299264)

Better: beam in free, uncensored internet so the Iranian ppl can bypass govt censorship. Then do the same thing in the US!

Re:Extending a hand (4, Insightful)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299386)

Exactly. Because in the United States, if a jerk like you or me posts a critical comment on a site like Slashdot, the government will block the site entirely, and might even arrest and imprison us and our families! Truly we are, like, totally oppressed.

Re:Extending a hand (2)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299610)

Yeah, because having them place GPS in your car for "critical comments" on Reddit and then have the ICE jump at you with weapons drawn for traffic violations means nothing to you.

You spineless piece of Stazi, Vichy shit.

Yeah, America would never censor a website... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299018)

for political reasons.

Unless it wanted to [nytimes.com] , of course.

Re:Yeah, America would never censor a website... (2)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299246)

We ARE the new NAZI Germany! The sixth reich. There's nothing you can do to stop us. We know all of the important people and we're widespread enough to Co-opt you though soft or hard means. Our military-industrial complex, along with our bankers, rule you.

We can manufacture rationale for any war, and everybody else is bought off to approve our wars! The UN is the macrocosmic result of rampant greed and riches. We can kill you from hundreds or even thousands of miles away, and your family can't do shit about it because they want our blood money.

HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAH!

Pot, meet kettle. (5, Informative)

CFBMoo1 (157453) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299090)

SOPA -> http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-11-17/news/30412322_1_ip-act-rogue-websites-sopa

Laundry list of past attempts -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_United_States
(CDA, COPA, DMCA, COPPA, CIPA, COICA, and my favorite named DOPA.)

Re:Pot, meet kettle. (3, Insightful)

bonch (38532) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299166)

So it seems the angle for the comments to this story will be about trying to act super-enlightened by "turning the tables" and criticizing America. This is a very popular route to take on web forums, because the inherent contrarianism of bashing the country you live in is supposed to mean you are smarter than the lesser citizens around you. Since Slashdot is full of really smart people who know everything about the world--especially politics--I look forward to the insightful discussions to come (much of it posted anonymously by some strange coincidence).

Re:Pot, meet kettle. (0, Offtopic)

aybiss (876862) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299454)

Again with the anonymous call? Are you going to come over with a bunch of uneducated hicks, all your guns, in your pickup trucks (also known as the US army) once you know who we are?

Essentially all you're trying to do is put down anyone with a viewpoint different to your own, having successfully been brainwashed by your own media.

The fact that you've got no argument except that 'America's Great' and 'You're Anonymous', isn't really working so far, is it?

censoring political content (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299092)

Is the issue

Only any idiot would confuse that with censoring anything. EVERY govt will censor something. It is censoring political expression that is the problem

Everybody understands that right?

Right?

Re:censoring political content (2)

ultranova (717540) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299416)

EVERY govt will censor something. It is censoring political expression that is the problem

By definition, every act of government is a political act, therefore all content censored by them was censored for political reasons and thus is political content. Furthermore, I don't care at all if Time Cube Party can air their propaganda or not, while I care a lot if I can't access Wikipedia because some asshole is trying to cover up something.

When did politics turn from merely making common decisions to some kind of end in itself?

Times *have* changed! (2)

cmv1087 (2426970) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299110)

We've gone from confronting an Iron Curtain to an Electronic Curtain!

Re:Times *have* changed! (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299148)

It's not a curtain, it's a hijab.

An electronic curtain of surveillance & censor (4, Interesting)

br00tus (528477) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299134)

In a US prison rots Javed Iqbal. Who is Javed Iqbal? He is a satellite dish installer who let people see [nytimes.com] Al-Manar television. Al-Manar is associated with Hezbollah (which as Shia, are associated with Iran, and the US government constantly links Hezbollah and Iran in statements). So how is the US throwing people getting news from Iranian, and Iranian-allied sources good, yet Iran doing the same thing is "an electronic curtain of surveillance and censorship"?

Re:An electronic curtain of surveillance & cen (2, Insightful)

Infernal Device (865066) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299426)

The funny thing about all of this is that Iran is just a place name to most people in the U.S. and about as real as Neverland or Hy-Brasil. They have a concept of Iran, but that's about it. If you're Iranian, you don't exist, in their heads, and so what happens to you *doesn't matter*.

Re:An electronic curtain of surveillance & cen (1, Informative)

mc6809e (214243) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299584)

Stop with the anti-American propaganda you liar.

Javed Iqbal was arrested in New York in November 2001, on charges of conspiracy to defraud the United States and fraud in relation to identification documents. He was plead guilty to fraud, went to jail, then later released and deported to Pakistan.

OMG! News At 11! (1, Redundant)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299154)

America Creates Virtual Embassy To Piss Off Iran!

Iran Blocks American Virtual Embassy Forthwith!

White House Cries Foul! Why Are Iran Such Meanies? !!1

Readers Vote, We Report:

[1] Iran Are Meanies
[2] This Response Was Obvious, And Iran Are Still Meanies

punishment (3, Funny)

minderaser (28934) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299160)

Those Iranians need to have their mouths washed out with SOPA.

Exactly as planned, right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299176)

All of this was perfectly predictable. Government is such a waste of time and money.

Normally... (2)

IonOtter (629215) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299198)

...one might say, "Well, that was quick?".

But I think in this case, it's more appropriate to say, "What took them so long?"

The young generation of Iran certainly doesn't have much of a beef with the US, and by all accounts, would just assume we got along with each other, each in our own respective neighborhoods.

But the older folks, both there and here, still remember that we hate each other, for good reasons, bad reasons and LOTS of lies.

Sounds familiar, eh? (3, Insightful)

DigiTechGuy (1747636) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299240)

"an electronic curtain of surveillance and censorship around its people." ... Kind of like what the government is doing here in the States? The Patriot Act just kicked it into overdrive. Bill of Rights? Think you have those natural rights? Your government has taken them away and will do terrible things to you if you exercise those rights.

Big surprise.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299294)

It amazing that a country who we keep threatening with sanctions would block a US Virtual Embassy website. Of course, censorship is a terrible thing. I guess if we borrowed money from them like we do from China, we could over look Internet censorship.

Stop the press, this is front page material! (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299316)

Deeply religious country censors internet!

Virtual Embassy for Dummies (1)

hongocat (2353334) | more than 2 years ago | (#38299322)

This was by far the dumbest idea I've seen coming out of the state department so far. Virtual embassy sounds very nice, but end of the day it is just another website with pages upon pages of useless information (aside from visa forms lets say) which no one I reckon except a few read. I think the American's are just trying put a lot of hype into their website by calling it a virtual embassy. So what's next, a virtual embassy in Second Life? Come on people, get real. If the US government is serious about diplomacy they should stop beating around the bush and playing kiddy games and really engage the other side. I think the Iranian government did a good service to its people for blocking this virtual embassy -at least their action saves some bandwidth!

Why turn the tables? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38299478)

Many seem upset that the table shave been turned, and this has become an opportunity to bash America for its limited censorship.
Censorship in a dictatorship or autocracy is expected, and required to ensure the "great leader" continues to be perceived as "great".
However, in a democracy it's the other way round.

Censorship means that the gubment believes the citizens (AKA voters) cannot think and decide for themselves.
Let's accept that for a moment.
Now consider who elected the gubment. The voters, who can't think and decide properly.
Therefore the gubment was elected by people incapable of making good and rational decisions.

Censorship in a democracy invalidates the government.
ANY censorship!

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