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Publicly Available Russian Election Results Hint At Fraud

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the or-could-just-be-a-coincidence dept.

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gotfork writes "As some Russians protest the results of the recent election, several commentators (Russian), have started looking at the results which are posted to the election commission web site and there's very strong evidence of fraud. Voter turnout correlates strongly with percent voting for the ruling party, United Russia, and there are a lot of polling stations with nearly 100% turnout and 100% voting for United Russia in some unusual places. The raw data is posted so you can do your own analysis."

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Forced Voting? (2)

AdamJS (2466928) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355420)

Do they do that at all in Russia? Still, 100%...lol. Putin doesn't even care anymore.

Re:Forced Voting? (5, Funny)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355468)

What, you don't think United Russia would score 100% in Chechnya?

Re:Forced Voting? (1)

AdamJS (2466928) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355488)

Which is why I said "lol".

I'm curious as to if they actually got people to vote and just lied (or fudged the numbers or changed the votes afterward) or if they just straight up lied about everything.

Re:Forced Voting? (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355738)

Which is why I said "lol".

I'm curious as to if they actually got people to vote and just lied (or fudged the numbers or changed the votes afterward) or if they just straight up lied about everything.

Lenin On Line; He says congratulations.

Re:Forced Voting? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38356034)

Stalin On Line; He says congratulations.

fixed that for you...

Re:Forced Voting? (4, Funny)

AdamJS (2466928) | more than 2 years ago | (#38356276)

Lenin On Line

In Putin Russia, Mail have You?

Re:Forced Voting? (2, Insightful)

thue (121682) | more than 2 years ago | (#38356124)

How can anybody (fx Slashdot) would describe 99.51% voting for United Russia in Chechnya as "hint at fraud" instead of the more correct "unambiguous evidence of fraud"? Is Slashdot owned by the Russian dictatorship?

Re:Forced Voting? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38356254)

How can anybody (fx Slashdot) would describe 99.51% voting for United Russia in Chechnya as "hint at fraud" instead of the more correct "unambiguous evidence of fraud"? Is Slashdot owned by the Russian dictatorship?

*sigh* First we get the wankers in here who bitch and bitch and bitch about how Slashdot shouldn't editorialize and sensationalize their summaries. Then we get wankers like you who bitch and bitch and bitch about how Slashdot should editorialize and sensationalize their summaries.

Then we get the people who, despite theoretically being at least passable in the concepts of logic and deduction, can't seem to come to terms with why Slashdot has been on a decline, quality-wise.

Re:Forced Voting? (1)

AdamJS (2466928) | more than 2 years ago | (#38356294)

I was just curious as to the intertwining mechanics. No shit it's obvious fraud. Or rather, needs an entirely new term.

Re:Forced Voting? (5, Funny)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355564)

It takes Russia a longtime to catch up. Now they are finally equal to the US in 2000.

Re:Forced Voting? (2)

JonahsDad (1332091) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355800)

It takes Russia a longtime to catch up. Now they are finally equal to the US in 2000.

They're still years away from equaling the US. They may have figured out election fraud, but we hide it much better here. Not completely, but much better.

Re:Forced Voting? (1, Troll)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 2 years ago | (#38356202)

It takes Russia a longtime to catch up. Now they are finally equal to the US in 2000.

They're still years away from equaling the US. They may have figured out election fraud, but we hide it much better here. Not completely, but much better.

I keep waiting for the day the GOP has their IPO on the NYSE. Might as well just get it all out there in the open and stop mucking about, begging corporate money for favours.

Re:Forced Voting? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38356146)

Please, Chicago has been doing this since the 60s.

Re:Forced Voting? (3, Insightful)

rednip (186217) | more than 2 years ago | (#38356278)

Political corruption is as old as politics itself, acting like it's a Chicago invention is just another 'conservative' trying to make a back handed comment about President Obama's legitimacy,

Re:Forced Voting? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38355822)

The answer to that is probably that its his strategy.

Who is going to stop him from doing it?
It may be in his best interest to show that he can do it and does back away from that, and at the same time, being this obvious, it would make it easy to figure out who your enemies are, since they will most likely jump on a chance like this.

Just like the one time of killing somebody with radioactive material. Its not like that doesn't strongly point in the direction of russia, but that could be the whole point.

Re:Forced Voting? (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 2 years ago | (#38356164)

Do they do that at all in Russia? Still, 100%...lol. Putin doesn't even care anymore.

The Russians did a lot of the same things the Iranian regime did, when they utterly cooked the election so overdone that official counts showed more votes than voters in many cities. Of course, when the people screamed their indignation they beat, kicked, shot and arrested them. Gives you a pretty good idea how ruthless the Revolutionary Guard are about keeping power. After a few arrests and dispersing protesters it's good to see the Russians aren't using the same brutal tactics, to the extent they were in Iran. Perhaps there is hope for Russia after all.

In Russia,,, (5, Funny)

phrostie (121428) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355424)

the Elections vote for you!

someone had to say it

In Soviet Russian elections... (0, Redundant)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355526)

...candidate votes for YOU!

Re:In Russia,,, (0)

Fahrvergnuugen (700293) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355774)

And sadly, no one is surprised.

Re:In Russia,,, (0)

paiute (550198) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355906)

Ballot box stuffs you!

Re:In Russia,,, (2, Funny)

Divide By Zero (70303) | more than 2 years ago | (#38356132)

Ballot stuffs YOU in box!

Slashdot plauged by First Post fraud (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38355428)

How do you feel about this?

Ten years since the USSR fell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38355432)

And nothing's changed a bit.

Re:Ten years since the USSR fell (1)

spiffmastercow (1001386) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355462)

Not true. The commies at least allowed a fair election, albeit after several decades of ruling with an iron fist.

Re:Ten years since the USSR fell (1)

Zedrick (764028) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355544)

Ten years? So.... you think the SSSR fell when Jeltsin stepped down?

Re:Ten years since the USSR fell (1)

peppepz (1311345) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355704)

Isn't it like 20 years?

Re:Ten years since the USSR fell (4, Informative)

Canazza (1428553) | more than 2 years ago | (#38356204)

1988 is when the wall came down. 1991 is when it was dissolved. 20 years this month.

Re:Ten years since the USSR fell (1)

Canazza (1428553) | more than 2 years ago | (#38356230)

20 years ago on Christmas day!

Electronic Voting (1, Funny)

sociocapitalist (2471722) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355434)

I'm sure that if they used electronic voting machines the results would have been much more accurate. At least until Putin's old KGB friends got to them.

Re:Electronic Voting (1)

Moheeheeko (1682914) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355818)

There are videos of "election offcials" filling out stacks of ballots. its kind of sickening.

Re:Electronic Voting (5, Informative)

Moryath (553296) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355918)

In the US, they just stop you from voting if you are in a group likely to vote the wrong way [guardian.co.uk] .

And we wonder why the US can't manage to get 50% turnout even in a presidential election year?

In Texas, student ID cards are no longer be valid for voting; neither are ID cards issued by the federal Veterans Administration. All those students and war vets need to do is go buy a gun: concealed weapons permits are acceptable at the polls.

Republicans all sing from the same hymnal on this one: voting must be tightly controlled to prevent fraud. Never mind that there is no fraud. Indeed, the Brennan Center found that voter fraud is so "exceedingly rare" that "one is more likely to be struck by lightning than to commit voter fraud." Mickey Mouse was not allowed to register. Paul Newman did not vote from beyond the grave. Hordes of undocumented Mexicans have not stuffed ballot boxes (though a great many new, legal Latino voters have registered in Florida, Texas and other large states).

But why let the facts get in the way of rigging an election?

Re:Electronic Voting (-1, Troll)

fsckmnky (2505008) | more than 2 years ago | (#38356118)

Your partisan rants and militant left blatherings are truly disgusting.

Never mind that there is no fraud.

From [http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/10118-fox-forged-signatures-on-2008-petition-to-put-obama-on-ballot-in-indiana]

Ryan Nees, a college student who interned at the Obama White House and who supports the President’s reelection, discovered the fraud. Fox News explained what Nees found:

Nees' investigation centered on the petitions that put then-senators Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on the ballot. As many as 150 of the signatures, it is alleged, were faked. So many, in fact, that the numbers raise questions about whether Obama's campaign had enough legitimate signatures to qualify for a spot on the ballot.

Nees himself commented,

This fraud was obvious, far-reaching and appeared to be systemic. What seems to have happened is that a variety of people in northern Indiana knew that this fraud occurred, and actively participated and perpetuated the fraud, and did so on behalf of two presidential campaigns.

But hey, why let facts get in the way of your agenda promoting propaganda campaign ?

Re:Electronic Voting (4, Informative)

Moryath (553296) | more than 2 years ago | (#38356226)

Indeed, a cursory google search on the terms "Indiana 2008 voter fraud" shows that... oh hey, not a SINGLE verifiable or reputable news source went anywhere near this nonsensical lie of a story.

A lot of right-wing nutcase blogs, and of course that fraudulent liar Breitbart (known mostly for faking videos himself) all over it. And if we follow your link we find they are... ah, yes. "The New American", front group for those rabid nutwingers the John Birch Society.

Re:Electronic Voting (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38356314)

You're alluding to a petition to put them on the ballot. ALL petitions have signatures that don't add up, even those which put Republican candidates on the ballot. Once the "fake" signatures are removed, they count how many legitimate ones remain, whether the petition is for a Republican candidate, a Democratic candidate, a ballot initiative, or any other activity in which citizens can present petitions. The reasons for the "fake" signatures vary: sometimes people just write bogus names while exiting a supermarket, sometimes they write their real name, but happen not to be registered voters (and so the signature doesn't count), and so on.

To put this in the same category as voter fraud is ridiculous. Also, the belief that only Obama's and Clinton's campaigns suffered this phenomenon is, err, "ignorant".

Re:Electronic Voting (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38356122)

Wouldn't that hit against the republicans. Considering the 99% being poor, and more than 50% of those voting republican, one does not need to be a genius to realize that those people aren't that educated to begin with to fall for the lies of the republican candidates. Just watch fox news and you can image what kind of uneducated people not even knowing american history would fall for that kind of crap.

Re:Electronic Voting (1)

AdamJS (2466928) | more than 2 years ago | (#38356316)

This is on a far higher level of corruption. This is outright forging every piece of the election results.

obligatory... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38355436)

In Soviet Russia the government votes for you!

Russians Know What Russia Is (5, Funny)

bistromath007 (1253428) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355452)

The ad should be retitled "Russia Doesn't Even Bother to Pretend to Have a Legitimate Election." Why would they? It's Russia. Historically speaking, it'd be weird to the point of unsettling if it weren't rotten to the core.

Re:Russians Know What Russia Is (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38355862)

The ad should be retitled "Russia Doesn't Even Bother to Pretend to Have a Legitimate Election." Why would they? It's Russia. Historically speaking, it'd be weird to the point of unsettling if it weren't rotten to the core.

Hell, it seems like every time things start looking up for the Russians, somebody comes in to actively undo everything positive, and crushes them further. I know some guys who defected to the US during the Cold War... they never seem to run out of horror stories to share about how much life sucked there, but what constantly amazes me was that they felt they got out of there before it REALLY went to hell...

Re:Russians Know What Russia Is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38356114)

Rotten to the core? Yet it's still the largest country in the world and has lots of industry and high technology. It's really progressing nicely if you think about it:

Feudalism Communism Crony capitalism

The trend is up, when you think about it. One thing they really need to get is propaganda. They also need to shift the focus to consumer tech from military, but that's going step by step.

Putin assures you that everything is fine (2)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355456)

Look, he's even offering to throw a tea party for all of you with doubts. Drink up!

Re:Putin assures you that everything is fine (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355596)

In unrelated news, there is an unexpected increase in purchases of polonium 209, an obscure radioactive isotope.

Re:Putin assures you that everything is fine (2)

Shienarier (185368) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355848)

This tea is radiant!

Re:Putin assures you that everything is fine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38356062)

Look, he's even offering to throw a tea party for all of you with doubts. Drink up!

Do you people know that Putin hasn't been the President of Russia since 2008?

Re:Putin assures you that everything is fine (2)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#38356270)

And you of course realize that he's currently running for President again, right?

Re:Putin assures you that everything is fine (1)

Canazza (1428553) | more than 2 years ago | (#38356304)

yes, but he's now the Prime Minister... since 2008.

s/Russia/America/g (0, Troll)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355480)

Publicly available results in America hint at fraud too:
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volusia_error
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_United_States_election_voting_controversies
  • http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0408/Vote-count-mishap-in-Wisconsin-election-raises-eyebrows-distrust

Re:s/Russia/America/g (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38355550)

AAAh, I guess that makes everything alright then, right? God damned idiot.

Re:s/Russia/America/g (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38355626)

AAAh, I guess that makes everything alright then, right? God damned idiot.

Of course it does not, but do you find more "alright" to point out foreign countries "lake of real democracy" while your country itself is in the exact same state ? God damned arrogant person.

Re:s/Russia/America/g (5, Insightful)

jacks0n (112153) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355844)

1. false equivalency. The fraud involved there is quantitatively and qualitatively worse.
2. irrelevant. Illegal and immoral behavior in one country does not make it OK in another.

Re:s/Russia/America/g (4, Insightful)

AdamJS (2466928) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355560)

Yes, yes. But 100% turnout from places that range from Apathetic to outright hatred of his Regime, and a majority vote for him? That's an entirely different level of bullshit than what Scott Walker could accomplish.

Re:s/Russia/America/g (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38355568)

These are pretty different situations, i mean no one in the states would be ballsy enough to try to go "ahh fuck it, just put in we got all the votes from everyone".

In the US they have to at least try to be SLIGHTLY subtle.

Re:s/Russia/America/g (5, Funny)

terrahertz (911030) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355632)

And that makes me proud to be an American.

Our American leaders know we won't believe obvious fabrications like those goofy Russian yokels, so they temper the vote fraud just enough to fly under the radar. And thus they demonstrate how much more they respect the American people's intelligence than the Russian leaders respect their people's intelligence.

Suck it, Russia! USA Number 1!

Re:s/Russia/America/g (1)

borrel (2416350) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355900)

so what about Democracy?
it was the foundation of the "modern society".
Now its capitalism with is the most important thing in the world.
not people, not happiness, not doing the right thing
only money, and now everybody is wondering why there is so match criminality;
ill tell you: stealing = money and money = success how you get it is not important, everybody is stealing from everybody if they have the chance
(company's and governments F**** you any chance they have)
this is the "moral" that a "modern solidarity" has

Re:s/Russia/America/g (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38355650)

This is about Russia, not the US. Stay on topic.

Re:s/Russia/America/g (5, Informative)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355682)

Wow. Your first link is to an error that was literally caught within hours of it happening and didn't impact the final total. The other issues point to general incompetency and in some limited, local cases, actual fraud. That's really in the same category as nearly nation-wide fraud that looks centralized. And let's say for a hypothetical that the US election fraud problems were nearly as severe as the Russian ones or as severe. Guess what? That doesn't magically make them ok. That one country has problems doesn't make it ok when similar problems occur elsewhere.

Re:s/Russia/America/g (2)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355716)

The Volusia county error looks more like a botched attack on a voting machine than an actual error -- especially in light of the fact that there was a real attack on those machines that involved making one candidate's vote total negative prior to the election. Also, show me in my post where I said anything was "OK" -- my point was that the United States has some serious issues with its own voting process, not that somehow the Russians are justified in what they do.

Re:s/Russia/America/g (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38355820)

Sooooooo.... In a discussion about Russia and its possible fraud you want to talk about America? How well is that working out for you?

Re:s/Russia/America/g (1)

Nimey (114278) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355864)

Seriously. HAY GUISE LETS TALK ABOUT ME.

Or is he a Putin supporter?

What did you expect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38355524)

In Soviet Russia, 137% vote for Putin!

Re:What did you expect (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355642)

I will take off my math skills for Putin!

100% for United Russia? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38355546)

I guess they really are united.

Tell me about Russian politics (2, Insightful)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355614)

Someone tell me/us about Russian politics. Does it matter?
For example, here in the US, there is one party, with one set of goals (globalism, imperial global warfare everywhere, war on drugs, tax relief for the 1% and F the 99%, deindustrialize the country, expand the parasitical financial sector at all costs, etc). We have two independent marketing departments that put on a huge show to pacify the population into thinking it matters which marketing department did a better job, D or R. But, it doesn't really matter which side's marketing message was better, we'll have the same result in the end. We've had stolen elections here, but rioting about it would be as stupid as rioting about a sports game, or fighting over a card or board game, in other words some folks take advantage of the chaos to steal goods from stores, about a hundred people will show up on the news because they like being on the TV news, but most people wisely just don't care. Once you're beaten down, you're beaten down for good, here.

Is it the same way in Russia, basically one party rule and it doesn't matter who wins, or does it really matter in terms of policies and leadership? I'm just trying to figure out if I should care, if this could in any way really affect anyone, or if this is like US politics where its about as important as a bad umpire call in a ice hockey game.

Re:Tell me about Russian politics (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38355696)

You are full of shit. Go look at voting records in THOMAS, the parties do not advocate the same policies

Re:Tell me about Russian politics (5, Informative)

dhammond (953711) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355890)

What Russians are protesting right now is not who gets elected, but how they get elected. The protesters draw from a wide swath of political parties who agree on very little except that they want free and fair elections.

The truth is that many Russians do think exactly the way you do. My mother-in-law is a Russian living in Moscow. She thinks maybe there was voter fraud, but only a little and not enough to matter. Putin is maybe corrupt, but only a little and look at all the good things he's done! Her overriding argument, though, is that there isn't anyone else worth electing, which is exactly how Putin has managed to arrange things.

It's easy to be cynical here in America, but we do have real choices and who gets elected does matter. It would matter in Russia too if a real opposition candidate could live long enough to make it to election day.

Re:Tell me about Russian politics (2)

NatasRevol (731260) | more than 2 years ago | (#38356194)

So, step one in the "Becoming a Russian Candidate" process is shoot Putin before he shoots you?

Re:Tell me about Russian politics (2)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 2 years ago | (#38356302)

You do? Are you sure? You have a two-party system, completely rigged in favor of corporate elite. The only choice you have is who's lobby will be more powerful for next few years.

Re:Tell me about Russian politics (1)

rednip (186217) | more than 2 years ago | (#38356198)

Wow, that's a lot of effort for someone that doesn't care. Perhaps you get beaten down for good, but I don't.

It's not for the first time that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38355616)

Someone's simplistic models do not explain observed facts. Therefore facts must be wrong.

K.L.M.

2011 in a nutshell: (5, Insightful)

korgitser (1809018) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355624)

Russians are on the street protesting.
Americans are on the street protesting.
Europeans are on the street protesting.
The middle east is on the street protesting.
Africa is on the street protesting.
Dose anyone know a place where people are actually happy with their government?

Re:2011 in a nutshell: (1)

boysenberry (2029114) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355672)

Maybe you're exaggerating just a wee bit there?

Re:2011 in a nutshell: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38355792)

Yeah! Who has ever seen a geographical feature protest anything!? Much less on a street. I certainly have not.

Re:2011 in a nutshell: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38355692)

Maybe the life on Mars is happy? They just keep hiding from Us.

Re:2011 in a nutshell: (1)

Amouth (879122) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355846)

given our track record i would hide too

Re:2011 in a nutshell: (3, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355756)

Can you name a period of time where people have been happy with their government? In a democracy, politics is about compromise, which means that nobody really gets what they want, and in non-democratic systems of government there is a large group of people who never get what they want. It is fairly rare for people to be satisfied with their government.

Re:2011 in a nutshell: (2)

jimicus (737525) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355816)

Not entirely true. Apparently the whole of Russia is so delighted with their government they have, to a man, voted them all back in again.

Re:2011 in a nutshell: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38355996)

Taiwan probably.

North Korea (5, Funny)

dutchwhizzman (817898) | more than 2 years ago | (#38356004)

I don't see any protesters there. It must be the happiest place on the planet.

Re:North Korea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38356082)

North Korea is Best Korea.

Re:2011 in a nutshell: (2)

Nanosphere (1867972) | more than 2 years ago | (#38356092)

Russians are on the street protesting. Americans are on the street protesting. Europeans are on the street protesting. The middle east is on the street protesting. Africa is on the street protesting. Dose anyone know a place where people are actually happy with their government?

Corruption Perceptions Index [wikipedia.org]
Eurozone [wikipedia.org]

Pick anyone that is high on the first list but not on the second list.

Granted everyone has their own sets of challenges to deal with.

Frank Stallone (1)

kryliss (72493) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355728)

*Crosses arms while American flag waves in the background* "F(BLEEP)in" stupid Russians!"

Re:Frank Stallone (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | more than 2 years ago | (#38356216)

Ironic that he was on a show about stupid people doing stupid things.

Election Commission Website link (1)

raftpeople (844215) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355754)

WOT is showing that link is "red"...get it...

There is nothing suspicious in statistics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38355760)

Similar charts could obtained when results for opposition parties are plotted. Russia is BIG with large political swings and different voter activity depending on the region. Those are non independent variables, as result if significantly large and diverse region is taken . i.e Moscow the distributions are non Gaussian and multi-modal. The very similar looking distributions could be obtained for example for ultra-liberal "Jabloko" party.

corrupt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38355810)

I Guess its a very good thing, people came to demostrate for their rights! I would say that putin has to go home! Everybody knows that russia is corrupt. Its time to end [stivorosto...troken.net] it!

sorry, couldn't read the story. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38355812)

It was obscured by a dimpled chad.

Russia just took a lesson from us in Chicago (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38355840)

The old saw about "voting early, and voting often" and shuttle buses to the polling places from all of the local cemetaries, a fine old tradition here in Chicago, was duly hijacked by Russia. At least they are not flying in the face of a tradition that we started... :rolleyes:

I see what your Putin down, not buying it... (2)

Mysticalfruit (533341) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355852)

So, United Russian wants to make themselves look "legitimate"?

How is releasing results that confirm blatant voter fraud helping their argument? This is only going to bolster the opposition who'll hold these results up and say "See... see how they fucked us all!"

It appears to me that Putin and his political machine are if anything, not stupid. They want to stay in power, indefinitely. This does not achieve this aim.

I can only imagine that there's an angle to this story that my westernized perspective and extremely poor understanding of Russian culture/politics can't quite grasp.

Please Russian slashdotters... please explain this!

There'd be no question of fraud if... (1)

Tastecicles (1153671) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355858)

...they'd got Diebold machines in.

There's no question fraud is happening. (5, Informative)

jiteo (964572) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355942)

I have family in Russia. One of them told me about their colleague, a woman who's responsible for signing the ballot count. The votes are counted, the Communist Party is a clear winner in that riding, and she signs. Someone from United Russia then brings her a different paper, with the count modified to make United Russia (Putin's party) win. She says "I can't sign this, this is fraud." "Sign it." "No, I can't." "Sign it or you'll lose your job." Her meager salary is already not enough to live on, she can't afford to lose it. So she signs.

Hint at fraud? (0)

KBehemoth (2519358) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355950)

Reek of fraud would be a better choice of words. Spew forth a putrid stench of fraud, even. Bash you over the head with a hammer of fraud in a dark alley of fraud, leaving you bleeding and unconscious in a puddle of fraud as dismal raindrops of fraud fall from a fraudulent sky.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it was very likely fraud.

Re:Hint at fraud? (1)

gotfork (1395155) | more than 2 years ago | (#38356080)

Yeah, I know. As several people have pointed out so far, the 3.5 million is a gross underestimate. We plan to do a more in-depth analysis soon.

What did you expect? (1)

drew_92123 (213321) | more than 2 years ago | (#38355970)

Of course the results are fraudulent... they just aren't as good at hiding that shit as our politicians are. Of course, over there they just shoot people for asking the wrong questions whereas over here the government pretends to give a shit and gives politicians a slap on the wrist for getting caught...

Can you make that claim though? (1)

serenevic (2530882) | more than 2 years ago | (#38356002)

The thing is that the author of such analysis makes the claim that the % of votes for a particular party does not depend on voter turnout. He thinks that percentage does not change, regardless of whether you have 10% turnout or 100% turnout. That's the lynchpin of his argument. I am not sure one can make that claim. You would have to be a sociologist, not a mathematician.

Just enough fraud to win (1)

lacoronus (1418813) | more than 2 years ago | (#38356154)

Looking at the totals at the bottom of the article [samarcandanalytics.com] , the fraud would only lower the votes for Putin's United Russia by 6 percentage units. However, this would be enough to make a coalition of the second, third and fourth party larger than United Russia.

Well knock me over with a feather! (1)

buybuydandavis (644487) | more than 2 years ago | (#38356156)

A kleptocracy run by exKGB (current KGB?) who stifles speech and protest "against the national interest" has some voting irregularities. Who woulda thunk it?

Election Fraud (1)

DaMattster (977781) | more than 2 years ago | (#38356262)

I think election fraud is more common in Democracies than one would think or, at the very least, attempts are common. One only need point out the Diebold electronic voting machine scandal where a purported "bug" skewed election results in favor of the Republicans. While there is a remote possibility that this was an honest bug, I am not naive enough to believe it. Diebold refused to divulge their code and the machines didn't even have any auditing facilities. It is absolutely ripe for manipulation and enough money secretly changing hands can sway an election. I guess an honest politician is mostly an oxymoron.

At least they're rioting. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38356284)

In America, it's been done at least 3 times, and there was no riot, hardly any protest, and those few who did stand up against it were told to get back in line and not make a fuss.

Who can name the three times? And no, picking Lincoln doesn't count.

Obligatory (-1, Redundant)

g0bshiTe (596213) | more than 2 years ago | (#38356292)

In Soviet Russia Election votes you.
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