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Nokia Exec: Young People Fed Up With iPhone and Android

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the skateboarding-is-a-crime dept.

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jfruhlinger writes "Nokia's Windows Phones haven't hit the U.S., but at least one company executive thinks they'll be a slam dunk, since young people have soured on the iPhone and find Android baffling. Of course, much of the Internet commentariat found his remarks even more baffling. Is he right, is he delusional, or is he just trying to build buzz for his company's products the best he can?"

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532 comments

State Of Mind (5, Funny)

rsmith-mac (639075) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371090)

Is he right, is he delusional, or is he just trying to build buzz for his company's products the best he can?

It's Nokia, so I'll take delusional for $2000, Alex.

Re:State Of Mind (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38371172)

$2000 - that's how much fried chicken a nigger can steal in 4 seconds.

Re:State Of Mind (5, Insightful)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371188)

He's paid to be delusional. What's he supposed to say? "iPhone outsells every other phone by an order of magnitude and Android devices in general are rapidly cornering the lion's share of the market and now we've made this commitment to Windows Phone 7 that we can't just drop for a number of reasons" Yeah, I'm sure the shareholders will love that.

Nobody does that because everyone does that (5, Insightful)

Toe, The (545098) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371214)

He employs some great logic. Here is a direct quote:

"What we see is that youth are pretty much fed up with iPhones. Everyone has the iPhone," he said.

If everyone wants something, then nobody could possibly want it... right?

Re:Nobody does that because everyone does that (5, Funny)

Tyler Eaves (344284) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371278)

"Nobody goes there any more, it's too crowded." -Yogi Berra

Re:Nobody does that because everyone does that (1)

Pope (17780) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371312)

"Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded." - Yogi Berra.

There is a small group of too-cool-for-school hipsters out there who disdain anything they deem mainstream and/or popular, so they're likely the ones who would complain about everyone having an iPhone. Hell, I read a few comments to that effect when the iPhone 3GS came out! As usual, they're the people to ignore IMO because they simply represent an outlier viewpoint.

Re:Nobody does that because everyone does that (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38371394)

There is a small group of too-cool-for-school hipsters out there who disdain anything they deem mainstream and/or popular

Of course, many on Slashdot also disdain anything deemed mainstream or popular, but we're uncool - that's the important distinction.

Re:Nobody does that because everyone does that (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38371464)

He's right though. It's a wise point of insight. iPhone and Android are ripe for played-out cultural saturation, just like Facebook.

Maybe if Nokia doesn't drop the ball, they can parlay this natural social rhythm into success, unlike SOME people (I'm looking at YOU BlackBerry). ...hate to imagine any Microsoft involvement though. I wish they and their shitty Windows Phone would just die.

Re:Nobody does that because everyone does that (3, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371532)

iPhone and Android are ripe for played-out cultural saturation, just like Facebook.

If people are tired of smart phones, they're not going to suddenly rush to buy one that runs Windows.

Are you seriously suggesting... (4, Insightful)

Haxagon (2454432) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371620)

... that Windows phone runs Windows? Think of it like this: Android phones don't run Ubuntu.

Re:Nobody does that because everyone does that (-1, Troll)

SQLGuru (980662) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371670)

My mom has an iPhone. They sell iPhones for Dummies books. Those two criteria right there are reason enough to never buy an iPhone.

Re:Nobody does that because everyone does that (2, Interesting)

berzerke (319205) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371524)

Everyone has the iPhone," he said.

And perhaps they are looking for the next bright shiny, must have item. If everyone has one, it isn't as special anymore. Fads come and go.

Now whether or not the iphone IS a fad is another question I'll not try to answer. Personally, I've played with my wife's iphone and just can't see why people are so crazy about them. Overpriced and not very flexible IMHO. But maybe it's peer pressure. I've always been rather resistant to it, while my wife is at the other end of the spectrum.

Re:State Of Mind (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38371196)

I second this.
  If he thinks Windows mobile phones can uproot android he must be on something that is making him see shiny colours.

Re:State Of Mind (2)

Canazza (1428553) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371310)

He's been staring at the Metro interface too long

Re:State Of Mind (4, Interesting)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371408)

It would take some serious kool-aide to think that people were generally confused by any of iPhone, Android or Windows Phone 7, they are all easy to use. Each has it's pros and cons.

However, with the serious lack of good 3rd party apps, I suspect mostly due to MS figuratively castrating their developers with insane draconian file access and network access restrictions that prevent any direct cross-app communication on the phone, or network access via anything but http/https... You would have to have gone through a few kilos of LSD before ever thinking Windows Phone 7 could catch up to those two. Nice OS, but MS royally screwed the 3rd party developers over.

Re:State Of Mind (2)

flyingsquid (813711) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371436)

Yeah, it's pretty delusional: "What we see is that youth are pretty much fed up with iPhones. Everyone has the iPhone." OK, so we see that everyone has an iPhone or an Android... and we conclude from this fact that everyone must therefore hate the iPhone and the Android. Reminds me of that Iraqi information minister who claimed that the American troops attacking Bagdad were committing suicide in droves. On the other hand, the guy quoted in the article is their director of marketing and sales, you pay marketing people to foster delusional thinking, so that's not an entirely bad thing. As long as the management isn't drinking the same kool-aid as these marketing guys. If the CEO is so disconnected from reality that he believes this, Nokia is completely hosed. But even if they do go out of business, I have the feeling that a certain Niels Munksgaard, Nokia Director of Product Marketing and Sales has a very bright future and will land on his feet.

Re:State Of Mind (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38371486)

Is he right, is he delusional, or is he just trying to build buzz for his company's products the best he can?

It's Nokia, so I'll take delusional for $2000, Alex.

How about "half right"?

My Android phone continually crashes like it's running Windows. The only thing missing is the BSOD.

So yeah, there's room for another competitor in the market. But it ain't Nokia, and it ain't Windows.

Re:State Of Mind (2)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371630)

I haven't had windows crash as much as either android phone I had crash (two Samsungs, can't remember the models off the top of my head - transform and intrepid I think), since the 90s. Both crashed once every 3-4 weeks on average. My current HTC windows phone has yet to crash on me, and I've had it for almost a year. Mind you, 3rd party app selection sucks, and unless MS fixes their API, no amount of popularity and customer demand will fix that.

If MS fixes their API issues, Windows Phone 7 could actually be a rather nice competitor in the arena.

Obvious Troll is Obvious (3, Insightful)

Gr33nJ3ll0 (1367543) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371094)

And looking to promote his company.

Re:Obvious Troll is Obvious (3)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371512)

Or maybe he just read an iPhone or Android story on Slashdot and believed all of the frothing lunatic haters.

And Another Thing ... (5, Funny)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371112)

The kids these days, they don't like the broadband. They are fed up with the cable and the fibre. Everyone has the fibre. Also, many are not happy with the complexity of broadband and the increased risk of viruses over broadband. So we do increasingly see that the youth that wants to be on the cutting edge and try something new are turning to dial up.

Right now, it is so confusing to the customer. Where is the softly assuring BEEEEEEP WAHUNG WAHUNG SCSSHHHHHHHHH white noise after connecting that lets you know that you are receiving 56k service?

Re:And Another Thing ... (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371296)

I kind of miss that sound, I wonder if there's a sound that could be made to play every time I open my browser that would give that feeling. Thanks to the high latency of the DSL around here, I already get a long pause.

Re:And Another Thing ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38371386)

Make a local frame (your regular homepage as the content in the frame), but just have it play the '56kmodem.ogg' file when you first open the page, and again any time the http request takes more than 3 seconds.

Re:And Another Thing ... (2)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371400)

Right now, it is so confusing to the customer. Where is the softly assuring BEEEEEEP WAHUNG WAHUNG SCSSHHHHHHHHH white noise after connecting that lets you know that you are receiving 56k service?

You just KNOW there's some hipster out there thinking "Hey! If I can find a away to recreate that, but faster, I'll be RICH!"

BEEEEEEP WAHUNG WAHUNG SCSSHHHHHHHHH (1)

drainbramage (588291) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371416)

I think that was a song on The Jetsons.
What a fine boot sound for my Android!
Move over Communicator sound effect.

Nokia's Windows Phones (1, Redundant)

Toe, The (545098) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371120)

Yeah... young people love Windows.

Re:Nokia's Windows Phones (2)

swanzilla (1458281) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371360)

Maybe the young people just want to make PHONE CALLS on their cellPHONES. Now get off their lawns.

what are these things you call (2)

ganjadude (952775) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371536)

......phone....calls???

They're just upset... (1)

pdxer (2520686) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371122)

...that Microsoft Kin was cancelled.

Re:They're just upset... (1)

Haxagon (2454432) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371494)

RTFS, this is Nokia.

Out of touch (3, Insightful)

zule666 (1175419) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371132)

Guess that's why my teenagers wanted iPhones..

Re:Out of touch (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38371284)

Guess that's why my teenagers wanted iPhones..

Yes, your personal anecdote about a few individuals is obviously enough evidence to contradict an industry insider who is capable of taking a broad view of millions of users.

Was this your attempt at a "look how I'm special, I'm the exception to a rule that was never claimed absolute, whooptey-doo!" type of post?

Without you, no one would have ever known that any youths wanted iPhones.

Remember: (2, Informative)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371482)

The plural of anecdote is data.

Now go ask a thousand other parents what their teenagers want and check back here after you do. I think you'll find iStuff to be consistently high up on the list.

BTW your "industry insider" is more commonly known as a shill. He is selling a product. He - of course - isn't going to say "well our product isn't as good as Apple". He is going to say something positive about his product and negative about the competition. That's his job.

Find a neutral third party with a purely objective viewpoint and you'll have an "industry insider" worth listening to.

Re:Remember: (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38371686)

Now go ask a thousand other parents what their teenagers want and check back here after you do.

If you perceive the value in that, surely you understand the worthlessness of one parent who alone says "well I use X". The keyword in your sentence? "Thousand". Several would be much more realistic for a decent national survey.

The user "zule666" was just being a moron. He had nothing to say and nothing to contribute ... just like all morons that, to him, is not a reason to shut up.

Hee hee ya they sure are.... (2)

Stumbles (602007) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371138)

the only thing baffling (not really) is how stupid Nokia's shareholders have been.

Re:Hee hee ya they sure are.... (3, Insightful)

a_n_d_e_r_s (136412) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371212)

Many of them have sold off the shares. Nokias shares are down ... alot.

It was the board that decided to select an alliance with Microsoft.

Re:Hee hee ya they sure are.... (1)

Haxagon (2454432) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371358)

Didn't they just rise?

Re:Hee hee ya they sure are.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38371456)

so glad I didn't take the job with Nokia

so glad I didn't take the job with Nokia

so glad I didn't take the job with Nokia

Re:Hee hee ya they sure are.... (1)

Delarth799 (1839672) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371606)

Interesting, I wasn't aware that Nokia still had any shareholders left.

Shocking... (1)

clonehappy (655530) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371146)

Executive at a company that gambled their existence on the success of the Windows Phone platform tries to start an astroturfing campaign against the clearly-winning competition in favor of his "also-ran" platform. Film at 11.

Oh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38371158)

Ahahah by golly! I'm so tired of this world. I'll buy a Windows device. This is just PR.

Loser. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38371178)

More one to add in my list....

fedup with web sites like it.com with (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38371180)

complex layout and all that glitz and scrolling animated stuff...who bothers to go to websites that are so poorly laid out??

Android vs iphone vs windows phone wars 3,2,1... (1)

youn (1516637) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371184)

Hum... what could go wrong... nothing, not likely to have controversial opinions and flame wars :) ... haha

Re:Android vs iphone vs windows phone wars 3,2,1.. (2)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371404)

at this point, it's Android and iPhone fanboys versus stupid Nokia exec.

I think that trying to find a consensus amongst youth is stupid and foolish. Just because a group of youth take to something doesn't mean that this is what the young do or are into.

Re:Android vs iphone vs windows phone wars 3,2,1.. (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371522)

at this point, it's Android and iPhone fanboys versus stupid Nokia exec.

I'd go further wrt the smartphone wars - at this point, it's Android and iPhone, period. WinPhones aren't even on the radar (and the insiders are already saying that WinPhone7 sucks, and they're waiting for WinPhone8 to make a decision).

Not sure what he's thinking... (5, Insightful)

Scoth (879800) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371186)

I don't think I've ever met someone who wasn't a hacker/tweaker sort who didn't like their iPhones. Regardless of your beliefs about their business practices, Walled Garden, etc, by and large the iPhone works and works well. I'm not sure exactly who he talked to about being fed up.

I've also not met a lot of people unhappy with their Android phones, though they may not be using them to their full customization potential.

Re:Not sure what he's thinking... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38371668)

I am a hacker of sorts, just not when it comes to my phone. I want it to just work. Maybe if I had a spare, but my phone I'd prefer not to mess with.

With that said, I hated my iPhone. It was slow and unwieldy. It took seconds to open the text app. I had to wait through two major releases before I got copy and paste. I didn't like it.

Maybe they fixed much of what I didn't like in future releases, but the iPhone 3G was terrible.

I don't have single (major) complaint with my HTC Inspire.

I'm not young, but... (5, Insightful)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371204)

...I've soured on the Android (performance and privacy issues) and the iPhone looks expensive (based on the iPhone tax it looks like service providers charge). But, I also had about 2 years of development experience on the inferior Windows Mobile platform when Microsoft pissed on the developer base, then shoved us out the door.

I'd say he's right there's room for another competitor, but his ain't it.

Re:I'm not young, but... (1)

Tyler Eaves (344284) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371378)

Not sure what this "iPhone" tax you mention is. The top-end Android phones are at the same ($199/$299) price points. Sure, you can go cheaper with Android but it isn't close to the same hardware.

Re:I'm not young, but... (0)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371454)

My phone cost $25. It makes phone calls and sends and receives text messages.

I'm still trying to figure out why I supposedly need to be connected to Facebook 24 hours a day. Constant mobile internet connections were cool... in 1990. Today they're a sign of a lack of real life.

If he's right, maybe kids are finally figuring that out.

Re:I'm not young, but... (2)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371680)

My phone cost about a day's pay more than yours and let's me work from anywhere I want, so I can take off on what would be a normal workday and be outside instead of in a windowless office in the third basement.

And by the way, kids consider constant connection to Facebook "a real life."

Re:I'm not young, but... (1)

wintercolby (1117427) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371688)

I think he mentioned the monthly iPhone fee, but a lot of places are charging a premium "Smartphone Data Fee" that I assume is similar to this iPhone fee he's talking about. I'm starting to believe that the cell phone companies are charging differently based on street address and zip code, as well.

Re:I'm not young, but... (0)

oPless (63249) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371410)

Why not?

Disclaimer;
I have an iPhone 4 as my main phone. A G1 before that, and have Wildfire S, a Samsung Galaxy 2 android phones, and a random chinese android tablet. Also I'm on my second windows phone 7 device (yep, I've had a few WinCE based phones too, but they're dead and gone)

WP7 is becoming mature, it's getting integrated with facebook and twitter better than Android and iOS (All the kids love their social networks) there's a minimum spec too which is fairly high. It's not trying to be the next iPhone/Android either. I think it's becoming a worthy competitor to both.

Re:I'm not young, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38371422)

Privacy is an issue for you with Android devices so your first idea is to turn to an Apple product?

This is were a young person would post a picture of Jackie Chan looking utterly baffled.

Re:I'm not young, but... (4, Informative)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371610)

Privacy is an issue for you with Android devices so your first idea is to turn to an Apple product?

This is were a young person would post a picture of Jackie Chan looking utterly baffled.

You seem to have either a short or selective memory. Prior to the iPhone, the standard practice for cell phones were for handset makers to make phones for carriers with their carrier branding on the case and carrier specific apps permanently installed on the phone. The iPhone was sold to "consumers" and treated like a consumer device rather than something created specifically for a carrier.

Apple has put into place restrictions to protect the privacy of users from third party apps from collecting personal information without concept.

If you are referring to the "log" file that was in the backup file, that did not contain any personal information in it. Location information was stored "ON THE PHONE" to speed up location services acting as a "CACHE".

All carriers are capable of tracking you through their backhaul infrastructure without any help from Apple.

Re:I'm not young, but... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38371648)

I'm 28 and grew up with several computers of various kinds in the house (Amigas, Linux based PCs, Windows based PCs, OS/2, and Macs), but I have been called "old" because I don't rely on computers/technology for every single thing in my life (despite being a programmer). My last phone before I switched to an iPhone was a Motorola Razr (the old flip version) and I was impressed with the iPhone, for a while. I found though that it didn't actually help me do anything, I was less connected with my friends cause we always had our noses in our smart phones, combined with the cost of owning an iPhone (between the mandatory data plan, all the apps (which is more of a self control issue) and the phone itself) and the reliability (or lack thereof in my smaller foothills "metro area" town) I switched to a Droid on Verizon, and found the only thing that had changed with the reliability and quality of the phone itself was poorer. So after a year of trying, I ditched smart phones all-together and went back to my venerable Motorola Razr. Of course with the new Android version coming out, it's going to be harder to find the $30 version of these on Amazon when I have to replace it. I'm just happier not being *totally* connected *everywhere* I go *every* second of every day. Plus, I think the quality of people you meet and the conversation that occasionally ensues over which book you're carrying/reading is higher than which phone you're squinting at.

Kids want to differentiate themselves... (3, Insightful)

lonechicken (1046406) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371206)

... in the same way as their friends.

If you (4, Funny)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371226)

want your kid to be beaten up by the school bully, then give him a nokia windows mobile 7 phone.

The Young People (1)

Ukab the Great (87152) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371244)

Obviously want a "sick" symbian phone with built in apps for managing their "epic" cassette tape collections. This is common knowledge.

LMAO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38371248)

I'm crying. ='D

Thanks for the comedy break, Slashdot.

Bad headline (1)

NadNad (550015) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371250)

It suggests that the company executive's statement about iPhone and Android consumer opinion is a known premise upon which he predicts Nokia will build. But that consumer opinion *itself* is (according to the article) the novel reported idea and this same exec's opnion too. He's not just filling a niche, but claiming the niche even exists.

Re:Bad headline (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371412)

It is a distraction. "Do not look at Andy Lees".

Re:Bad headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38371450)

Huh?

In the English-speaking world, "$PERSON: Some random statement, as though of fact" means precisely that $PERSON made some comments that can be accurately paraphrased as the random statement -- not that we should trust them. I suspect very few people inferred that rubbish you say it suggests.

As a certified "young person"... (5, Interesting)

HopefulIntern (1759406) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371258)

As a "young person", I do not see how anyone can claim Android is "baffling"... to begin with it was more of an engineer/dev/nerd phone but it quickly changed and now IIRC is the most popular phone OS. My facebook news feed often contains complaints or questions about "why is my iphone xxx" but not once have I seen any of them asking for help with a droid.

Re:As a certified "young person"... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38371350)

They would have complained but they couldn't figure out how to post using their droid ;-)

Re:As a certified "young person"... (0)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371552)

That could just as well be because no one worth mentioning has an Android phone.

I hear young people have soured on sex (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38371260)

Instead they'll be spending more time with aging babyboomers to acquire their accumulated wisdom.

Imma go with "delusional" (4, Insightful)

pla (258480) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371274)

I can't speak for really young people, but the 20-35 crowd with whom I work love their Androids.

They tend to see the iPhone as a bit more "stuffy", but that distinction may have more to do with company policies regarding who gets what, than with any actual differences between the devices themselves. But "Baffling"? C'mon, you just slide through the screens to the one you want, and tap when you get there.

Now, if you want to ask if the business world will get all hot over a device they can lock down via domain policies - I'd at least give that one a 50/50 (with the "not" 50% swearing like a sailor at the horror of having any mobile device trusted on their domain). But the actual users? Yeah, I'll have to go with the Nokia execs as "delusional" on this one.

Re:Imma go with "delusional" (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38371426)

Bingo. I've yet to meet anyone who has used Android and prefers another operating system. My technologically illiterate sister got a Droid Incredible on release, back with Android 2.1 or 2.2 (nowhere near as polished as it is now), figured it out completely on her own, and loves it.

Nokia doesn't know what they're talking about.

We will sell more than you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38371288)

We will sell more than you,
we know we will
And we'll pretend our ships not sinking....
And we will tell ourselves 'we'll take over you'
cause WE ARE THE KINGS OF WISHFUL THINKING

lalalallalalalalalalallalalalalalalalalalalalalalalallala

WP7 sales suck everywhere. (3, Interesting)

scorp1us (235526) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371294)

It's not like Nokia phones are going to be any different from other vendors' WP7 phones, despite the privileged position Nokia has. Their real chance to be different was with the N9, and by all accounts the phone is a success in the markets it was launched in. People love it -- if they can get it. Carrier subsidizing is the only "feature" that is missing. But good news Newegg now carries it! [newegg.com] ($630) so no dealing with shady importers.

I hate my Android, but I'll likely go back to iPhone, unless I swing the N9 for xmas. Yeah, I'm not even a year into the Atrix and I'm looking to spend another $630 because Android is crap. I prefer a "walled garden" to an open field of shit. I'm only waiting to see how the iPhone 5 changes things.

Re:WP7 sales suck everywhere. (3, Funny)

hellkyng (1920978) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371396)

"I'm only waiting to see how the iPhone 5 changes things."

Then you don't have to worry, I am sure it will change everything.

I agree! (5, Funny)

loftwyr (36717) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371316)

I showed my Android phone to my 2 year old and within minutes she was fed up. To her, all those icons and such were baffling. But then I showed her a windows 7 phone and she ate it up! It spent far more time in her mouth than any other phone in the house!

Re:I agree! (0)

TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371624)

Don't know if you are being serious (my sarcasm filter not working today), I have not yet seen an infant or toddler in existence that is not amazed at something which lights up and has many buttons, physical or virtual. My niece, nephew and a all my friends children absolutely love any iDevice or phone they can get their hands on. They don't care what is going on, but if they press the screen and something happens they will be engaged for hours.

I would probably send my child to a doctor if they grow disinterested in the visual stimulus of a phone or tablet device after only a few minutes, it is not normal.

HELLO NOKIA? (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38371332)

NOKIA cant make a QUAD BAND DUAL SIM PHONE! I am forced to buy a LG or a SAMSUNG. Wake up NOKIA

Exacty wrong (3, Interesting)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371340)

I don't know why older people have this misconception that young people are more iconoclastic than older ones. Just because the Young do not have the same icons as the old I guess. Teens and young adults are gregarious and sensitive to peer pressure to an extreme, more than more mature people.
If Nokia counts on many Young having it as an argument against the iPhone, I wish them good luck. They could try "your moms and dads have them too", but since moms and dads still mostly have Nokias, at least in Europe, that doesn't sound too smart either.
Sounds like clutching at straws to me.

Wrong! (2)

wfs2mail.com (794623) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371344)

Actually, soured by the BS from companys like Nokia and HP.

"We're releasing this product in a few months"
"No, wait, next year"
"Oh, never mind. We're changing directions"
"Oops, changed out mind again..."

A year or two goes by and then they release a piece of garbage without half the promised features. They tease and tease with carrots, but in the end deliver an overpriced rutabega. I have my issues w/ both iphone and android, but the alternatives offered are garbage.

And I can see why (1)

Lucas123 (935744) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371388)

All that texting, hi-res photo taking, streaming video, game playing, global positioning information, realtime video chat on top of being able to have a telephone conversation from anywhere would certainly leave fed up. How much longer do I have to wait for teleportation!

Fed up with the lawsuits, not the phones. (5, Interesting)

JustAnotherIdiot (1980292) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371398)

Every other day I'm hearing about smartphone makers suing each other, that's what I'm fed up with.

Re:Fed up with the lawsuits, not the phones. (0)

TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371516)

Why? How does it affect you personally that one phone maker is suing another? Worry about stuff you have any stake in, not what is going on with billion dollar companies.

same old crap (2)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371402)

seriously, was he around nokia stuff _last_ decade?

puffing up the music portfolio. well, that's something they've been trying for almost a decade.

and some other stuff as well.
“We would prefer a wireless transfer than a docking station," said Munksgaard. "A docking station has limitations because the phone has to be in a certain place. We are extremely pleased with the experience you get with the device in connection with Nokia gear. We don’t have a docking station at this point, however we are confident that as the Windows Phone ecosystem grows, third party docking station makers will support us.”

well fuck nokia, pc suite on 3650 allowed me to install packages wirelessly from the pc, installation options and all. then you started taking things away one by one.

read my typing: wp8 will have a task history/switch view just like android, symbian and ios. because otherwise it's going to continue sucking more than series40.

Don't just fish for hits. (1)

Haxagon (2454432) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371430)

This is not news, execs do this every other second. Flamewars are the last thing /. needs.

I think Nokia missed the boat (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38371434)

What's really missing the marketplace is a Linux console phone. All this graphics nonsense is just slowing people down. And what could be better than the feeling of compiling a kernel in your pocket?

Re:I think Nokia missed the boat (3, Insightful)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371634)

Yes, they screwed up trying to follow up the N900 with the N9, while giving the promising N950 only to a few devels, and so far killing the future for those great portable computers with phone functionality.

And all android phones have a linux console, just in case you would want to compile a kernel.

What's that? (1)

Severus Snape (2376318) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371468)

An Exec says his company's product is better than the competitors? More on this shocking story at 11.

He might not speak for everyone but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38371478)

I for one identified with his words. I'm a software developer, but I have much more interest in a beagle board than an iPhone. I'm confident that I wouldn't be confused by Android, but that doesn't make me want to upgrade from my basic cheap phone.

Snorting fumes in the fab (3, Funny)

Fujisawa Sensei (207127) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371496)

I think this guy's be hanging out in a wafer fab snorting fumes.

Even *I* bought an iPhone... (4, Interesting)

tekrat (242117) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371506)

And I liked my Palm Pilot so much, I bought a Treo. However, the Treo was a terrible phone, I had to spend extra and buy it on eBay because the 680 wasn't supported by t-Mobile and for years I lived with it. Then, finally I started phone shopping.

A friend lent me his Nokia 900 and I found it to be un-useable. It interpreted *everything* as me wanting to use the device, including putting it back into a belt-holster... So it would start playing videos in my pocket, and when I wanted to really use it to make a phone call, the battery was dead.

I didn't like the iPhone's on-screen keyboard, but, when the iPhone4 came out, it finally supported a bluetooth keyboard. So, I bought the iPhone & keyboard. When I'm away from the keyboard, I've learned to live with the onscreen keyboard.

For the last year and 2 months now, it's been OK. I haven't wanted to run my phone over with my car, something I've wanted to do to both the Treo and the Nokia. Sure, it doesn't do everything, but, I have to admit it's better than what I was getting previously. The keyboard has made taking notes and writing emails very easy, making the phone a 60% desktop replacement.

It's a fairly good PDA, and even with AT&T service, it's been a use-able phone. All it has to do is not suck entirely, which tends to be what the other products do.

Considered that kids want what the other kids have, my guess is that this quote from Nokia that kids want a Windows Phone is rubbish. Kids want an iPhone. Apple is already on track to be the biggest phone-maker in the world.

Nokia, RIM, Samsung, and Sony do not have a chance unless they undertake some serious R&D and make something equally revolutionary. And somehow "revolutionary" isn't a word *anyone* associates with Microsoft. Windows phone ain't it, any more than GEOS phone. WebOS could have been it, but Palm and the HP both screwed that pooch.

LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38371538)

Nokia Exec: I matter! I do! Please don't look at other guys, it makes me feel inadequate.

The carriers. (5, Insightful)

characterZer0 (138196) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371540)

They are fed up with the carriers, not the phones.

Yes to all three. (1)

powerlinekid (442532) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371554)

"Is he right, is he delusional, or is he just trying to build buzz for his company's products the best he can?"

Yes, I am sure someone once told him that they didn't like the iPhone because everyone had one but Android was confusing because it didn't look like the iPhone. They probably then said "This sucks, I wish there was a phone that wasn't lame" which obviously Nokia is delivering.

Yes, because the numbers suggest that a large number of young people still prefer Android and the iPhone.

Yes, obviously. That is corporate speak where you can be right, wrong and a pimp at the same time. Remember, you can spin facts and statistics anyway you want.

Yo yo, da young dawgs be down with Poochy (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371586)

Worst. Platform. Ever. [wikipedia.org]

nokia lost a moneywagon (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38371602)

Nokia had the BEST phones in terms of hardware in the past. Seriously, those phones were strong, unbreakable beasts, very durable and easy to use. If they had the vision to jump the android bandwagon three years ago, they would be making a killing right now. Instead, they fumbled around symbian, then created maemo/meego/what's-her-name and now veered into a platform that no one uses or develop for. Personally, I still own an awesome symbian phone, but if they still keep this WP7 nonsense (seems they will), I will have to find another vendor.

Never knew that.... (1)

ddd0004 (1984672) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371612)

December 14th was the Finnish equivalent of April Fools day.

Look at the Guy's Title (3, Insightful)

Freshly Exhumed (105597) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371638)

By "Exec" in the title the actual position of the speaker is in fact "director of Portfolio, Product Marketing & Sales at Nokia Entertainment Global", which equates to something like "manufacturer of consent via media manipulation, innuendo, and implication". No hard science or technology in that guy's department.

Just ditched nokia for android (2)

colin_faber (1083673) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371646)

As a long time nokia user I just recently switched to android based phone. This was due too many factors the top being the fact that Nokia does a HORRIBLE job supporting their customers. After many successful generations of upgrades for my self within their `E' series business line I finally had enough with the E52 and E72. In both cases the phones barely worked, constantly had critical failures of the business applications and were nearly impossible to sync up with external, non-windows, non-nokia systems. The second being the fact that the quality of their hardware has gone from good to horrible. The mostly high quality builds have been replaced with cheap, plastic junk that breaks very easily. On my E52 I went though 4 screens between giving up on the phone, this in contrast to the E51 which is still in near mint condition after years of abuse. All of this is in contrast to the reasonably open experience I've got with the Android based phone, and much better build quality. It's no surprise that nokia would partner up with Microsoft (FOR BILLIONS OF DOLLARS). Soon I suspect you will see them shift from a leader in the mobile phone market to another patent troll with crappy hardware and software offers.

Wait for windows phone in 2013... (3, Interesting)

IYagami (136831) | more than 2 years ago | (#38371678)

Just imagine: in 2013 having a windows phone that:
a) Can be used as a phone (of course!)
b) Can be used as a tablet (windows 8 with the Metro UI)
c) Can be used as a computer (windows 8 with the Classic UI)
d) Can be used as a game console (it is rumored that the next xbox could run in ARM processors a variant of the windows 8 kernel).

Microsoft is known for improving its products version after version... Everyone thinks that Windows Phone 7.5 is a very goog start: just read the reviews:
- Engadget ( http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/27/windows-phone-7-5-mango-review/ [engadget.com] )
"While Windows Phone still needs a glass of water to get rid of a few hiccups -- and let's face it, every mobile OS has plenty of their own -- it ironed out a lot of the wrinkles from earlier versions and made it a much more feature-laden, user-friendly experience. With Mango, WP7 has caught up with Android and iOS in nearly every way, and in some areas it's even surpassed the other two in functionality. Despite a grim first year, the bright future of Windows Phone is forcing Ballmer to wear shades."
- The Verge ( http://www.theverge.com/2011/10/24/2509332/windows-phone-75-mango-review [theverge.com] )
"Put simply, regardless of your preconceptions, Windows Phone finally deserves an honest look the next time you’re ready to buy a phone — particularly as we start to see new devices come to market over the next few weeks."
- gsmarena ( http://www.gsmarena.com/windows_phone_7_5-review-655.php [gsmarena.com] )
"WP7 lacked key functionality, which deterred potential consumers. Version 7.5 however brings things that will appeal to businesspeople, social networking buffs and people who like a novel software experience. If you're using Microsoft software (chances are you're using at least Office at work), WP7.5 offers the smoothest, most well-rounded experience. The rich bundle of several social networks and IM clients and emails and texts is beautifully organized too. And let's face it, the Windows Phone interface is the only UI around that's truly different - iOS, Android, even Symbian are becoming harder and harder to tell apart. The only thing that held it back was the lack of multitasking and now that's been sorted out."

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