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Feds Arrest GeneSimmons.Com Attacker

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the you-wanted-the-best-you-hacked-the-best dept.

Crime 180

gManZboy writes "Federal authorities have arrested an alleged member of Anonymous in connection with an "Operation Payback" attack against the website of Kiss bassist Gene Simmons. The charges stem from a distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attack against Simmons' website over a five-day period in 2010. Simmons apparently drew the ire of the Anonymous set after he lambasted their peer-to-peer (P2P) downloading proclivities during a 2010 MIPCOM entertainment content media conference panel discussion, where he lamented the failure of the music industry 'to sue every fresh-faced, freckle-faced college kid who downloaded material.'"

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Why DDoS Simmons Site? (4, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 2 years ago | (#38378244)

Not a lot of people really visit these sites anyway. If you want to lambaste the guy do it on twitter or facebook.

Advice to Gene Simmons - don't make China angry.

Re:Why DDoS Simmons Site? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38378390)

>> do it on twitter or facebook.
 

...or do it on kissOnline.com

(anyone who has seen a Gene Simmons interview from ~2001 has heard him say "kissOnline.com" a couple dozen times in the space of one interview. Quite entertaining :)

Also, how come the Kiss Army didn't nab this guy before the feds did. Are they not as awesome as I think they are?!

Re:Why DDoS Simmons Site? (3, Interesting)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 2 years ago | (#38378408)

What is important to note is that Gene Simmons, being Jewish, is the ultimate bad stereotype and does nothing but harm acceptance of his people. He is greedy, has a large nose, has adopted a reptilian("demonic") stage persona, and is pissing off the same demographic that made him rich decades ago.

In a series of brief interview excerpts shown on Entertainment Weekly's [ew.com] website, celebrities are asked what the best gifts they received were:

BRITNEY SPEARS - ''This little butterfly necklace I got from my little sister. She always liked butterflies.''
GENE SIMMONS - ''Shares in Krispy Kreme. I made a handsome profit.''

My heart goes out to the captured anon and I hope that Gene takes a firsthand look at Krispy Kreme's factory, specifically the oven-baking process.

He is a marketing genius (3, Insightful)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 2 years ago | (#38378472)

You name it and he has s KISS logo slapped on it, everything from coffins to condoms...

Re:He is a marketing genius (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38378762)

Gene is amazing at marketing.

Gotta love him.

Re:He is a marketing genius (5, Insightful)

DeathElk (883654) | more than 2 years ago | (#38379216)

Gene is amazing at marketing.

Gotta love him.

No. No you don't.

Re:He is a marketing genius (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38380348)

u mad bro?

Re:Why DDoS Simmons Site? (4, Insightful)

identity0 (77976) | more than 2 years ago | (#38379636)

Oh wow, you didn't even post the even more stark comparison with the one below his:

GENE SIMMONS ''Shares in Krispy Kreme. I made a handsome profit.''

DORIS ROBERTS (''Everybody Loves Raymond'') ''At Ground Zero, the policemen and the firemen gave me a flag and a piece of the first tower that went down. I cried so...I asked, 'Why are you giving this to me?' and they said, 'We've been here since 9/11 looking for pieces of our friends. Then we go home at night and turn on the telly, and there you are making us laugh. You bring us back into life.'''

Really, Gene? Did you really need those Krispy Kreme shares? Were you hit by high cocaine prices that trashed your savings?

Mods, please stop hitting the parent post with flamebait tags, it really is insightful about Gene Simmons.

Re:Why DDoS Simmons Site? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38380146)

Didnt realize (or really care) that he was Jewish. Just thought he was an all around jerk... But hey his music is decent...

The lead singer for a band that epitomized monetizing music and you somehow think him being Jewish has any bearing on the matter. Maybe he is just a greedy person? You do realize that greedy people exist right? If you didnt realize he was a jerk long ago you were seriously not paying attention...

Ethanol-fueled ignorant comment (1, Insightful)

shikor (2526810) | more than 2 years ago | (#38380160)

Ethanol-fueled: Please, could you explain what does it has to do the religion of a human being with the way that person behaves? You also wrote "important to note..." You are a very ignorant person. Proof of that is the fact that you wrote "is the ultimate bad stereotype..." well my hatred loaded little being: let me tell you that EVERY STEREOTYPE IS BAD. So according to you, is this what you think of every person based on their choice of religion? # -Christians are all perverts (too many priests and bishops have been found guilty of having sex with very young boys). # -Muslims are all cold blooded terrorists (who are the ones crashing planes against buildings or blowing up themselves or trying to blow up planes?). # -Jews are all greedy, ugly and demonic (you find a fact to support this because I couldn't find one). # -Sikhs are all filthy and illiterate (they all have a thick and bushy beard and many drive a cab to earn a living). # -Buddhists are all lazy and selfish (they believe in meditation, relaxation and a minimalist style as a way to enlighten their "own" life) # Think about it.

Re:Why DDoS Simmons Site? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38380392)

Sir, my hat is off to you for the mere fact that your post is presently rated +2 Interesting. This is an outstanding accomplishment. Please allow me to buy you a drink; provide a suitable email address for PayPal payment and you will receive $10.00 USD, with the understanding that said funds will be strictly utilized for the purchase of an alcoholic beverage of your choice at your local bar (including tip, naturally).

Re:Why DDoS Simmons Site? (3, Funny)

drnb (2434720) | more than 2 years ago | (#38379588)

Advice to Gene Simmons - don't make China angry.

Why would China be angry with Gene, where do you think the crap he sells is made?

what happened to the lulz? (1)

cheeks5965 (1682996) | more than 2 years ago | (#38379712)

who's lulzing now, bizznitch?

Proxies (4, Funny)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#38378248)

Guess 7 isn't enough.

Re:Proxies (3, Informative)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 2 years ago | (#38378342)

more like noobs used 7 proxies all operating under *.fbi.gov

Re:Proxies (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38379642)

I went into a 4chan/b/ raid thread a while back while back and told them that the site, that new version of ED, had changed their IP address to 209.251.178.99 (fbi.gov). I felt kind of bad about it when I saw the reactions though.

Lulz (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38378332)

Haha

Re:Lulz (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38378834)

I take insult that they say this "spyder101" character 'spearheaded' the DDoS attack against GeneSimmons.com. Everybody knows it was root and his "Anti-Bureaucracy Contingent". The guy had a goddamn botnet.

http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Anonymous-Cell-Splits-Off-and-Goes-After-Gene-Simmons-3.jpg [softpedia-static.com]

excellent (4, Insightful)

Trepidity (597) | more than 2 years ago | (#38378338)

I cannot think of a better use of taxpayer money.

Re:excellent (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38378524)

Interesting how nobody in the banking community who caused so much hardship for America, Europe and the rest of the world got arrested, and yet the authorities spent years tracking down a "freckle faced kid" who hacked a useless website.

We all know were the priorities of government and industry lie [newworldorderreport.com] .

Re:excellent (3, Insightful)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 2 years ago | (#38378938)

Which specific people in "the banking community" would you have arrested, and for what specific crime?

I agree that they fucked things up, but going into witch-hunt mode might not be desirable.

Re:excellent (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38379126)

Which specific people in "the banking community" would you have arrested, and for what specific crime?

  I agree that they fucked things up, but going into witch-hunt mode might not be desirable.

I'd let the power and resources of the FBI determine who to arrest. It would be better than getting into "witch-hunt" mode just to track down some political activist whose intent was to disrupt the operation of some loud-mouthed, obnoxious rock star who holds extremist right wing views (and when I say "extremist right wing views", I'm obviously not just talking about his views on destroying the lives of file-sharers).

But asking ME who I would go after sounds like a Troll. It's usually the people who get paid to investigate crimes who decide who they should arrest. And yes I am against witch hunts. I don't think ALL bankers should be arrested, just the people who broke the law. Obviously it should be law enforcement who decides who to arrest, and NOT me. You should be asking the FBI that question. You should also be asking the FBI why, after all these years, and their vast resources, that they haven't found anybody to put in jail.

Implying that I am somehow in favour of "witch hunts" is disappointing, especially from somebody who claims to be a "geek".

Re:excellent (3, Insightful)

Oligonicella (659917) | more than 2 years ago | (#38380040)

"I'd let the power and resources of the FBI determine who to arrest."

And they've found no one to arrest. Of course, being that they aren't arresting any top bankers, etc, now it's a conspiracy. "But asking ME who I would go after sounds like a Troll."

Well, no. Since you're AC, you could be anyone.

"Interesting how nobody in the banking community who caused ... who hacked a useless website."

But, let's play. You see, you asked (obliquely) why the feds weren't pursuing people in the banking community. You left if very vague so as to infer collusion. You were simply then asked to provide names and crimes so the process could begin.

You had none, so to deflect that little truth, you yelled Troll.

Interest thing is, you're the Troll.

I'll provide some proof, instead of simply hollering.

"I'd let the... FBI determine who to arrest." and "... asking the FBI why, ... they haven't found anybody to put in jail." express two opposing views.

Either you have the confidence in the feds to determine who to arrest or you don't. You stated you did, but everything you've written says you don't. This allows you presumed moral authority on either side of the issue.

Iow - Troll.

Re:excellent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38380308)

You had none, so to deflect that little truth, you yelled Troll.

Interest thing is, you're the Troll.
 

WHAAAAAAmbulance

Re:excellent (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38379240)

The Jews.

Re:excellent (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38379912)

Fuck You! Fucking racist cock sucker. Come fuck with me! We'll see who gets tossed in the oven Bitch!

Re:excellent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38380238)

Switch to decaf.

Re:excellent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38379586)

How about everyone who had a hand in creating a market for bad loans and didn't do anything to stop it? I'm sure you can find some Fraud in there among other things.

Re:excellent (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38379002)

In Star Wars (non-canon according to hard-core fans) fashion, please refer to them as "The Banking Clan", the chambers of commerce and WTO are known as the "Trade Federation". Depending on which side you're on, either Apple, Google or Microsoft is the "Techno Union".

Re:excellent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38379372)

Depends if we get a video of him in court sobbing "But..but...we just did it for the lulz" juxtaposed with all the big bold talking he probably handed out on some IRC log then I think its an excellent use of the money. You know, for the lulz.

Re:excellent (4, Interesting)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#38379728)

I cannot think of a better use of taxpayer money.

Quoth, Gene Simmons:

"Make sure your brand is protected," Simmons said. "Make sure there are no incursions. Be litigious. Sue everybody. Take their homes, their cars. Don't let anybody cross that line."

One possibly better use of taxpayer money would be a Predator strike on Gene Simmons' house, then making sure that his progeny are all imprisoned, to the seventh generation.

I do believe however, that lenience should be shown to the eighth generation, because to do otherwise would be overkill.

Re:excellent (1)

ZombieThoughts (1735956) | more than 2 years ago | (#38379938)

Why not just skip using the taxpayers money and stop watching the show?

Re:excellent (2)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#38380126)

Why not just skip using the taxpayers money and stop watching the show?

"Show"? There's a "show"? I had no idea.

My desire to see a predator strike on Gene Simmons has nothing to do with any "show".

Re:excellent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38380102)

Really?

I'm as anti-crime as the next guy, but Simmons is an incredibly self-important asshole douche. I'd rather see taxpayer money used for preventing more serious crime, or put into public consultation about changes to the copyright system, or healthcare, or pretty much anything. Hell, I'd rather the petagon buy a couple $5,000 hammers. At least then we'd get something out of it.

Seriously, fuck gene simmons.

Gene Simmons (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38378382)

Legality, etc. aside, I thought I'd chime in on Mr. Simmons. If there's a bigger jacka$$ in the U.S., I'd like to see him/her. For 30+ years he has been a living tutorial on annoying self-promotion.

Re:Gene Simmons (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38378828)

It would have been better if Anonymous had just cut off his tongue.

Re:Gene Simmons (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38379436)

surely you've seen Donald Trump?

Who the hell actually listens to KISS songs? (2)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 2 years ago | (#38378416)

I thought the whole point of KISS was the live shows, are there actually people out there who routinely listen to their music?

Re:Who the hell actually listens to KISS songs? (5, Funny)

Spodi (2259976) | more than 2 years ago | (#38378494)

Of course! Just like GWAR, they are famous for their beautiful and melodic music, not their elaborate stage performances that involve covering the audience in monster blood and semen.

Re:Who the hell actually listens to KISS songs? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38378530)

I think so, cause why would they sell 100 million records??

Re:Who the hell actually listens to KISS songs? (3, Funny)

M. Baranczak (726671) | more than 2 years ago | (#38379418)

What's a record, grandpa?

Re:Who the hell actually listens to KISS songs? (1)

Larryish (1215510) | more than 2 years ago | (#38379040)

As a child of the 70's and 80's, I can unequivocally state the following:

KISS was a lot of make-up-wearing poofters.

Notice the WAS. That is because Gene Simmons is a HAS-BEEN.

Gene Simmons FTL.

Re:Who the hell actually listens to KISS songs? (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#38379658)

KISS was a has-been in 1985. It's a has-has-has-has-been by now, and KISS has basically been Paul Stanley's vehicle for a couple of decades anyways.

Re:Who the hell actually listens to KISS songs? (4, Interesting)

Artifakt (700173) | more than 2 years ago | (#38379718)

People point out that there are some very good bands that have never made the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (Rush and Yes for two). Then they mention that Kiss hasn't either, and all the Rush and Yes fans realize the process isn't completely broken and chill.

Gene Simmons is a gigantic ass (4, Informative)

BitHive (578094) | more than 2 years ago | (#38378452)

Just listen to some of the shit he says to Terry Gross:

http://www.erim.net/archives/gene-simmons-and-terry-gross-inteview [erim.net]

Re:Gene Simmons is a gigantic ass (2)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | more than 2 years ago | (#38378694)

I enjoyed the first 2/3rds of the headline very much.

Re:Gene Simmons is a gigantic ass (2)

bcrowell (177657) | more than 2 years ago | (#38379778)

I listened to the whole interview, and I thought it was a kick. He's obviously very insecure, and he's projecting a manufactured persona, but he's also pretty funny.

Gene SImmons (3, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#38378454)

is a has been ass who thinks the world owes him money.

Re:Gene SImmons (1)

ILongForDarkness (1134931) | more than 2 years ago | (#38378506)

Hey if it has a kiss sticker on it you owe him royalties. Is there anything out there without a kiss sticker?

Re:Gene SImmons (4, Funny)

GumphMaster (772693) | more than 2 years ago | (#38378746)

Yeah... my hairy arse :)

My Ass. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38378888)

Since I had to remove the KISS sticker in order to avoid those 'willful infringement' charges :)

Re:Gene SImmons (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38378768)

He's a fuckin Jewbag. What do you expect?

Re:Gene SImmons (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38379974)

Fuck You! Try and fuck with me! Expect to get the shit kicked out of you.

Re:Gene SImmons (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38379064)

It's common for people who have money, or who have become rich, to think they're due more money for that simple fact.

I call it, the 'asshole syndrome'. Very prevalent among the entertainment industry.

Re:Gene SImmons (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38379264)

is a has been ass who thinks the world owes him money.

I don't owe him a cent since I've bought a Kiss song, poster or adult diaper. There's always a simple solution to people who you don't like the way their products are marketed. Avoid their products. Downloading Kiss songs isn't striking a blow for liberty, avoiding their products is a legitimate way to protest.

Re:Gene SImmons (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38379278)

yeah, he's a huge faggot too.

All those years in KISS and he didn't cheat once? lol right..........

Big surprise (4, Interesting)

RobinEggs (1453925) | more than 2 years ago | (#38378492)

Anonymous would be a lot more effective if they focused on one thing longer than a week...they've done everything from embarrassment campaigns against child pornographers to hacking secret societies and crime syndicates to various political hacks to that one bizarre incident where they organized a hate mail campaign against a teenager with an anti-profanity site.

They fancy themselves hacktivists but they don't seem to try very hard at sending messages to the public, which I assume is who you'd like to reach if you think the entire government and corporate landscapes are irredeemably corrupt.

Bottom line, I don't get them. I don't think they have to be an absolutely coherent, focused force with an official spokesperson in a tie to be taken seriously, but they usually don't even seem like they're trying to change something; they're just fucking around and punishing people at random.

Re:Big surprise (4, Insightful)

rev0lt (1950662) | more than 2 years ago | (#38378666)

So, are you saying an internet mob still behaves like a mob? Interesting :)

Not a mob, a bot (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38379232)

No, they're not behaving like a mob, they're behaving like a bot. I could care less for this Kiss guy or his opinions, but first they DDOS mid-east countries for trying to stop free speech, then they DDOS this guy when he exercises it?

Someone in Anonymous needs to stand up and say "yes, there's a real human here" or admit they failed their Turing Test.

Re:Not a mob, a bot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38380044)

No, they're not behaving like a mob, they're behaving like a bot. I could care less for this Kiss guy or his opinions, but first they DDOS mid-east countries for trying to stop free speech, then they DDOS this guy when he exercises it?

Someone in Anonymous needs to stand up and say "yes, there's a real human here" or admit they failed their Turing Test.

Idiot.
1) Anonymous is a mob. It's made of different people. Some people want to fuck the mid-east, others want to fuck RIAA et al, others just want to see the world burn. They may use the same methods, but they are not the same people.
2) Just because they agree with free speech in mid-east countries (where the people who have little freedom of speech are more similar to Anonymous than those who can speak their mind) doesn't mean they have to put free speech as the #1 most important thing ever; maybe they think bad people don't deserve free speech (they could think p2p is a good thing, therefore trying to bankrupt people who share music is seen as a bad thing); or maybe they don't like being threatened by a greedy bastard and decided to do something innefective against him.
3) "I could care less" means you care some amount (could be little or a lot). "I couldn't care less" means you care so little that it's impossible to care less than you do.

Re:Big surprise (4, Informative)

Trepidity (597) | more than 2 years ago | (#38378724)

you do realize that "Anonymous" is just any person who calls themselves that, right?

Re:Big surprise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38378726)

just fucking around and punishing people at random

Umm, just nip on over to /b/ and have a look for yourself. It's over there somewhere -------->

Re:Big surprise (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 2 years ago | (#38378918)

They fancy themselves hacktivists but they don't seem to try very hard at sending messages to the public,

Oh, they send plenty of messages to the public, but you the common public just don't "get it" and they know it, which is why they don't waste their time on idiots like you. You have to come to them and only then you may understand. Or you'll continue to not "get it" and go back to watching Jersey Shore, taking the Republican presidential debates seriously, wishing Anonymous would do things the proper status-quo way.

They have been amazingly coherent for a loose-knit group of fuckwits. It is the public-at-large, not anonymous, who don't "get it."

Re:Big surprise (1)

RobinEggs (1453925) | more than 2 years ago | (#38379046)

Blah blah blah, I can prove I'm enlightened and totally above this plebian shit if I just bitch about everyone equally without offering any solutions.

Did I sum up your argument well enough?

Re:Big surprise (1)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 2 years ago | (#38379212)

the common public just don't "get it" and they know it

The public isn't supposed to get it. "Anonymous" claims to be a hacker organization largely to troll media outlets and politicians, and it works surprisingly well. Just proves how useless big media is at actually investigating. The fact you can just decide to be Anonymous at any given time, and then cease to be, is lost upon almost everyone who isn't Anonymous.

Re:Big surprise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38380050)

The apparently make their own kool-aid, which you've obviously been drinking. The public at large has to go to work and take care of their families, so they're a little preoccupied.

Re:Big surprise (1)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 2 years ago | (#38379178)

The whole point is arguably that "anonymous" strikes entirely randomly. If you do something dickish, there is always the chance you'll be targetted, which is probably more effective than hammering specific people for long periods of time.

Anyway, they/we can focus on some things. Ask the Scientologists.

Re:Big surprise (2, Insightful)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#38380172)

Unless of course you do something dickish as part of anonymous, which is quite common. They're just a roving mob of thugs. Sometimes they attack someone who deserves it. Sometimes they attack someone who they thought deserves it, but is actually innocent. Sometimes they attack someone who did do something wrong, but their attacks are all out of proportion with the deserved punishment. Sometimes they just hurt random strangers for laughs.

They're basically a sterling example of why anarchist mob justice doesn't work.

Re:Big surprise (3, Interesting)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 2 years ago | (#38380128)

I see you fail to understand 'Anonymous'. There is no group, there are only individuals who choose to conduct a protest activity and donate the outcome of that activity to 'Anonymous' rather that taking individual or group credit for the activity.

So anyone at any time can conduct protest activity and proclaim that activity to be the work of 'Anonymous'. There is no group, no conspiracy, just individual choice to participate in protest activity. In the case of denial of service, nothing more than the temporary non-damaging disruption of a marketing channel and where more than one person participates, all that counts is the individual effort. So they must prove that the persons who was involved actually did disrupt, rather that the total efforts of many people ie you can not change one person with an outcome produce by many people, only their individual impact can be measured and whether that would have impacted the service.

And nothing of value was lost (5, Funny)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 2 years ago | (#38378496)

The loss to the KISS artist was estimated to be in the tens of dollars, the FBI reported today, after rounding up one of the freckled, young college kids mentioned. The FBI plans to drain the young adult's blood and pump it into the ancient man to revitalize him in time for his next comeback tour, which will feature duets by him and Lars Ulrich talking about how hard it is for them to get by on only a few hundred million a year. Common Sense was unavailable for comment at the time of the article's publication...

Re:And nothing of value was lost (1)

fsckmnky (2505008) | more than 2 years ago | (#38378730)

The loss to the KISS artist was estimated to be in the tens of dollars

How much is the right to free speech worth ? Mr Simmons, asshole or not, appears to have had his rights to free speech violated by the attackers who prevented his website from functioning.

Did he deserve it for being a karmically challenged ? Probably. Does the exercise of free speech come without consequences ? No, there are normally consequences. But if we hold the right to free speech sacred as a society, then everyone deserves protection when denied that right.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38378928)

Is it illegal for a crowd to "boo" so loudly that speakers at a Nazi support rally can't be heard? That's essentially what they were doing. So many people were "booing" the site at once that nobody else could hear it.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (4, Insightful)

fsckmnky (2505008) | more than 2 years ago | (#38378968)

Thats an interesting analogy. If the event were being held a public place, say, a county owned park, I would imagine that no, it is not illegal for the protesters to boo down the Nazis.

However, if the event were being held in a private venue, and the protesters prevented the Nazi's and the people who paid money to hear them speak conduct their event without interruption, then I would have to say yes, it is in fact illegal.

In this case, Mr Simmons was paying to host his website, and his fans and customers were paying to access his website, which makes denying Mr Simmons the ability to broadcast his website, and his fans the ability to receive that broadcast, an illegal activity.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38380024)

Thats an interesting analogy. If the event were being held a public place, say, a county owned park, I would imagine that no, it is not illegal for the protesters to boo down the Nazis.

However, if the event were being held in a private venue, and the protesters prevented the Nazi's and the people who paid money to hear them speak conduct their event without interruption, then I would have to say yes, it is in fact illegal.

In this case, Mr Simmons was paying to host his website, and his fans and customers were paying to access his website, which makes denying Mr Simmons the ability to broadcast his website, and his fans the ability to receive that broadcast, an illegal activity.

Mod parent up, please.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38379014)

You mean, so many computers were booing at the site that no one else could see it, but those were a large set of computers controlled by one or a small set of people. Not even close to your analogy.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (1)

fsckmnky (2505008) | more than 2 years ago | (#38379112)

Well, I respectfully disagree and argue that it is indeed spot on.

Lets say you are a hacker, and you belong to the organization that puts on the HackerCon2011 event. You only charge an admission fee designed to recover the expenses required to conduct the event ... the advertising, the hotel conference rooms, the hotel rooms for those who stay overnight, any organized transportation, the lighting and sound equipment, the power bill and networking, etc. such that you are operating in a not-for-profit capacity. The expense and time and resources are your "medium" required to deliver your "message."

The same is true of people who communicate via the internet. The network infrastructure on both ends of a conversation, and the interconnections between are the "medium" by which the "message" is delivered.

Both are "commercial" activities, as opposed to say, an informal gathering where no financial transactions are conducted. Interference with either event, your event of HackerCon2011 by say, a group of radical RIAA members who crash your event and wreak havoc such that they have ruined the mediums ability to deliver the message, or the website operators and customers event, by an outside party who ruins their mediums ( http sessions ) ability to deliver the message ( website usage / browser usage ) would be equally illegal.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38379078)

A DDoS is equivalent to being shouted down by a crowd, should a member of that crowd face 15 years in prison for the act?

Re:And nothing of value was lost (4, Insightful)

fsckmnky (2505008) | more than 2 years ago | (#38379182)

15 years sounds like an extremely harsh punishment given the circumstances. In fact, since its just some stupid rock bands website, I wouldn't expect justice to include any jail time at all.

The draconian measures that have been written into law concerning "computer crimes" versus any other type of crime, seem to me to be a knee jerk reaction to a problem that is/was beyond the means of the legislators ability to deal with it. As a result, they passed a special law concerning computer crime, that could have been framed within the context of any other number of already existing laws.

A fair and reasonable society and justice system would meter punishment proportionate to the offense, such that, no side of the equation is imbalanced.

Do I agree with the current state of legislation concerning "computer crimes?" ... not at all. Do I think people should be given free rein to to interfere with the internet and other peoples computer systems just because they have a script programmed for the task ? Again, not at all.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (1)

El Torico (732160) | more than 2 years ago | (#38380086)

The draconian measures that have been written into law concerning "computer crimes" versus any other type of crime, seem to me to be a knee jerk reaction to a problem that is/was beyond the means of the legislators ability to deal with it. As a result, they passed a special law concerning computer crime, that could have been framed within the context of any other number of already existing laws.

Sounds like they did the same thing with "hate crimes". A criminal act is a criminal act, regardless of motivation or means.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (1)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#38380228)

Hate crimes are different because they are in effect an act of terrorism against a particular group. A typical premeditated murder, while awful, doesn't really affect most people. With the extremely rare exception of serial killers, premeditated murders tend to be very personal in nature, and not something the typical person needs to worry about. But if some white supremacists decide to go out and find a black person to kill, it sends a message the entire black community that they need to live in fear, or else get out of that neighborhood, lest they be hunted and killed like animals. That mass intimidation is what earns the sentence extension.

I know your post was completely off-topic and probably just meant as flamebait (hate crimes and computer crimes have nothing in common), but I hear this canard about hate crimes trying to punish motivations all the time, and it's important not to let misinformation spread unimpeded.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (1)

fsckmnky (2505008) | more than 2 years ago | (#38379402)

I would like to add, the same technology that created this problem ( DDoS attacks ) can be put to use to solve the problem.

When a website is under a DDoS attack, it is essentially receiving more packets than it can process and respond to. Even under this condition, the website can send out packets, because upstream bandwidth is still available.

If a website ( or node if you prefer ) is under attack, it could send a message to the upstream ISP that says "Hey, ip address XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX is attacking me, can you please block it from connecting to me at the source ?" The ISP would then forward this upstream until it reaches the attacking nodes ISP, at which point a filter entry would be created, preventing AttackNodeA from sending packets to WebsiteB. This request could expire after whatever period of time was required to quell the attack.

A technology based solution like the one above, would let websites simply hang up on attackers, much as any of us would simply hang up on a crank or unwanted phone call. If we continued to get the call, we would contact the phone company and they would filter it.

Of course, I realize the hardware and protocols for this are not in fact currently deployed, but if they were, then college students who DDoS a website in protest wouldn't need to have their lives ruined by the penal system, and the websites who they chose to attack wouldn't have their business interrupted.

Seems to me to be the least cost path for society to resolve the issue.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (1)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#38380200)

Update: Common Sense has been missing for years, and is presumed dead.

Seriously (1)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | more than 2 years ago | (#38378546)

Legally or illegally, who in their right mind would download anything by Gene Simmons?

Who is Gene Simmons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38378554)

And what is KISS?

Am I missing something?

Re:Who is Gene Simmons? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38378636)

He's an exercise guru, and inventor of the Keep It Simple Stupid methodology.

Re:Who is Gene Simmons? (2)

Rockoon (1252108) | more than 2 years ago | (#38378740)

I guess you were born after KISS Saved Santa. [youtube.com] I blame our history teachers.

No One Can Escape... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38378660)

...the long tongue of the Law!

douche vs douche (1)

Sebastopol (189276) | more than 2 years ago | (#38378824)

i think gene simmons is a gigantic douche, but script kiddies are even worse.

seriously, a DDoS? all that b/w wasted sucks for everyone. lame.

KISS = worst rock band ever (4, Funny)

TiggertheMad (556308) | more than 2 years ago | (#38379656)

i think gene simmons is a gigantic douche, but script kiddies are even worse.

You are wrong. The kids will grow out of it in a few years.

Waste of money. (1)

Winckle (870180) | more than 2 years ago | (#38378854)

Your taxes at work.

When I first read it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38378916)

When I first read it, I thought of Richard Simmons rather than Gene Simmons. Whoops. One is complaining about people being fat, the other about P2P (he doesn't know that P2P can be used for legal downloads too). As they get older, they grow more alike.

Kids stealing from hardworking artists, huh? (3, Informative)

The Archon V2.0 (782634) | more than 2 years ago | (#38378974)

where he lamented the failure of the music industry 'to sue every fresh-faced, freckle-faced college kid who downloaded material

Wonder if he's so quick to lament the failure of manga publishers to sue every fresh-faced, freckle-faced college kid who traced material and then sold it as their own?

For anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about, look into Nick Simmons' "Incarnate". Not hard to find, just search for the words "Simmons" and "Incarnate" in a search engine and notice how many times the world "plagiarism" can turn up on a single results page.

The Title Got My Hopes Up (5, Interesting)

Ben_R_R (1177533) | more than 2 years ago | (#38379146)

I first read it as "Feds Arrest Gene Simmons". You can imagine my disappointment.

Re:The Title Got My Hopes Up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38379494)

Me too. Have an upmod.

IMO ... (1)

King_TJ (85913) | more than 2 years ago | (#38379340)

Gene Simmons can suck it ....

Last I heard, he got involved in Wall Street stock trading as his new career .... so *any* whining coming from THAT corner about stealing, I turn a deaf ear to.

(I knew a guy who did I.T. for one of the major firms providing real-time stock quote services to Wall Street traders and he said he met Simmons at one of their parties he got invited to. He still kept KISS figurines on his desk at the firm, but was dressed up in your typical business suit and dress slacks/shoes -- which looked kinda pathetic in and of itself.)

Fuck. Just stay "anonymous", Anonymous. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38379906)

These guys could be a regular force for good.

To bad they're too stupid to pick their targets wisely.

Piracy piracy everywhere! (1)

John Pfeiffer (454131) | more than 2 years ago | (#38379986)

"Simmons apparently drew the ire of the Anonymous set after he lambasted their peer-to-peer (P2P) downloading proclivities..."

And then his son traced whole pages out of the Japanese manga 'Bleach' and proceeded to make his own even more terrible comic book out of it. Could that possibly have something to do with it? (Or was this before that? Either way, pretty damned funny!)

Ha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38380178)

Like "any fresh-faced, freckle-faced college kid" would ever want to download a Kiss song. Even if it is free...

Perhaps he should get a lawyer (1)

monoqlith (610041) | more than 2 years ago | (#38380324)

Maybe give Joe Adler [youtube.com] a call? (Yes, this is a perhaps copyright-infringing clip from Extract.)

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