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Czech Nationwide Census Shows Jump In Jedi Knights

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the the-force-is-strong-in-these-ones dept.

Star Wars Prequels 321

First time accepted submitter il_genio writes "The Czech Statistical Office (SÚ) unveiled the first results of its regular 10-year census on Thursday. While almost half the population, 4.8 million, shied away from answering the voluntary religious question, a surprising strong showing was given by those Czechs who described themselves as Knights of the Jedi and believers in 'the Force' as depicted in the Star Wars films. Overall, 15,070 Czechs identified themselves as Knights of the Jedi with the biggest proportion of adherents in the capital, Prague, with 3,977 followers or 0.31 percent of the population."

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Happy Holidays from the Golden Girls! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38393726)

Thank you for being a friend
Traveled down the road and back again
Your heart is true, you're a pal and a cosmonaut.

And if you threw a party
Invited everyone you ever knew
You would see the biggest gift would be from me
And the card attached would say, thank you for being a friend.

Re:Happy Holidays from the Golden Girls! (0)

Vegemeister (1259976) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394802)

It's confidante you dumbass!!!!1!!1!!

Re:Happy Holidays from the Golden Girls! (1, Offtopic)

Elbereth (58257) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394854)

I don't understand why this simple troll gets so many angry, indignant responses, yelling that the lyrics are wrong. First of all, I like "cosmonaut" better. It's subtle and completely absurd, turning a commercial jingle into a nonsensical, absurdist masterpiece. Second, how the fuck do you know the lyrics to this song? Seriously. Are you actually dedicating space in your head to 80s TV sitcom themes? Why would you do that? Third, it's probably fucking obvious that this is a troll, and I can't understand what possessed you to respond to it. Now, of course, you'll accuse me of having no room to complain, since I've replied, as well, but you're wrong. I'm vibrating at a completely different frequency.

I love the Czech Republic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38393746)

Went there this past spring and had an awesome time. Great beer, friendly people, and Jedi Knights.

Re:I love the Czech Republic (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38393846)

I don't know about the Jedi Knights, but the two weeks I was there, I got pussy that was in the 9-10 range every single day. Never cost me more than $100, either. Great blow jobs, too. One time, I had two girls, one eating out my asshole and sucking my nuts while I fucked the other. Best. Orgasm. Ever.

Re:I love the Czech Republic (5, Funny)

rhook (943951) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394060)

I don't know about the Jedi Knights, but the two weeks I was there, I got pussy that was in the 9-10 range every single day. Never cost me more than $100, either.

Why don't you have a seat over there?

If the Force from Star Wars is a religion (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38393754)

then that would make George Lucas THE Prophet in said religion.

"Special effects are just a tool, a means of telling a story. People have a tendency to confuse them as an end to themselves. A Special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing."

Re:If the Force from Star Wars is a religion (5, Funny)

gweihir (88907) | more than 2 years ago | (#38393780)

Well, judging from Episodes 1-3, I would say "heretic" is the term. George Lucas is a hack.

Re:If the Force from Star Wars is a religion (2)

trevelyon (892253) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394668)

Didn't the guy who made Dune start a religion too? Maybe they could have a holy war for galactic domination

0.31 percent is impressive (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38393762)

But an even greater number of respondents (1.2 percent) chose "Cowboy Neal United Reform Convention, Scientist".

Re:0.31 percent is impressive (5, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394776)

I'll say it's impressive - that's up around Linux desktop adoption level!

Hmm... now that I think about it, that's probably not a coincidence...

UK Census, Church of Jediism (4, Interesting)

lkcl (517947) | more than 2 years ago | (#38393764)

i read somewhere that the number of people in the UK who declared themselves as Jedi Knights exceeds the number of people who declared themselves to be Sikhs. however, for some reason, Jediism - http://churchofjediism.org/ [churchofjediism.org] - isn't recognised as a religion in the UK.

Re:UK Census, Church of Jediism (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38393790)

Have you ever pissed off a Sikh? Have you ever pissed off a nerd calling themselves a Jedi?

Yeah, it's the same reason Scientology is counted as a religion, but not say the flying spaghetti monster.

Re:UK Census, Church of Jediism (5, Funny)

rhook (943951) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394148)

Have you ever pissed off a Sikh?

Well they do carry a sword, not unlike Jedi's and their lightsabers.

Re:UK Census, Church of Jediism (3, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394782)

Have you ever pissed off a Sikh?

Well they do carry a sword, not unlike Jedi's and their lightsabers.

Except a Sikh's sword can kill you for real.

Re:UK Census, Church of Jediism (2)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394494)

Have you ever pissed off a Sikh?

We are not liking your attitude very much sir, we request that you are changing it sir.

Re:UK Census, Church of Jediism (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394610)

Have you ever pissed off a nerd calling themselves a Jedi?

Fear them [youtube.com]

Re:UK Census, Church of Jediism (5, Informative)

lkcl (517947) | more than 2 years ago | (#38393804)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_census_phenomenon#United_Kingdom [wikipedia.org]
teehee. 4th largest reported religion in England and Wales.

Re:UK Census, Church of Jediism (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394534)

390,000 Jedis there are

=D

Re:UK Census, Church of Jediism (5, Insightful)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#38393824)

Since most of the people who "identify" as Jedi Knights probably don't recognize it as a real religion either, I would say this is perfectly justified.

Re:UK Census, Church of Jediism (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38394122)

How is it any less real than any other?

Re:UK Census, Church of Jediism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38394176)

it isn't. these are people mocking all religion. the funny part is religious people don't get the joke.

Re:UK Census, Church of Jediism (5, Funny)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394512)

How is it any less real than any other?

/waves hand

Jediism is a real religion.

Re:UK Census, Church of Jediism (1)

pntkl (2187764) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394612)

Yes and you will all one day recognize and hail me as Supreme Jedi Master. I AM the force.

Re:Church of Facebook? (4, Interesting)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#38393852)

Sounds like something twitter or facebook triggered. All it would take is one tweet to get this sort of thing started when census was underway.

That 15000 people thought of the same answer (I'm guessing it wasn't a check box on the form), it would have to have been croud-sourced at some level, and any random high school kid could have started it.

Re:Church of Facebook? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38393962)

This has been around a lot longer than social media. A surprisingly high number of people have been doing it for years - it's just really exploded recently

Re:Church of Facebook? (2)

HJED (1304957) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394414)

In Australia they where talking about it on the radio before our recent census.

Re:Church of Facebook? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38394532)

Sounds like something twitter or facebook triggered. All it would take is one tweet to get this sort of thing started when census was underway.

That 15000 people thought of the same answer (I'm guessing it wasn't a check box on the form), it would have to have been croud-sourced at some level, and any random high school kid could have started it.

The same goes for all other major religions, in their first 20-30 years (often longer).

Re:UK Census, Church of Jediism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38393918)

Compare real-world figures and the number of years of history behind each.

Jedi's have only existed for a few decades, a tiny fraction of the world's population identifies that way, and the people that call themselves 'Jedi' do not think of it as a serious religion.

You can't say the same for Sikhs with a straight face.

Making a religion out of iPod ownership makes way more sense than taking Jedis seriously.

Discrimination against The Jedi! (5, Funny)

lkcl (517947) | more than 2 years ago | (#38393782)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jediism#Reaction [wikipedia.org] - wonderful. a jedi knight gets thrown out of a job centre for not removing his hoodie. and a new law in 2010 *excludes* members of the Church of Jediism in the UK from protection against racial discrimination and hatred. wonderful.

Re:Discrimination against The Jedi! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38393800)

We've known the UK was run by the Sith for quite a while. This is news to you?

Re:Discrimination against The Jedi! (1)

lkcl (517947) | more than 2 years ago | (#38393826)

ahh, and i thought that it was because blair managed to get himself possessed by rakshasas because his wife was arseing about with ouija boards. that it was sith all along explains everything.

Re:Discrimination against The Jedi! (5, Funny)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394624)

We've known the UK was run by the Sith for quite a while. This is news to you?

Darth Cameron: When I left Labor I was but a learner, now I am the master.
Darth Brown: Only a master of evil Darth.
Darth Cameron: Well so are you.
Darth Clegg: Sigh, will you two just get on with it so I can ally with and inevitably betray one of you.

Re:Discrimination against The Jedi! (0)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#38393816)

That's good news for the queer-bashers, they can just claim "but I thought he was a Jedi gay!"

Re:Discrimination against The Jedi! (5, Interesting)

Alphadecay27 (1277022) | more than 2 years ago | (#38393864)

The sad thing is that the law DOES protect Scientology... which is an even more nonsensical made-up religion.

Re:Discrimination against The Jedi! (4, Insightful)

Omnifarious (11933) | more than 2 years ago | (#38393886)

They're all made up. Now, how nonsensical they are is another question. And I would agree that Scientology is even more nonsensical than jediism. :-)

Re:Discrimination against The Jedi! (4, Interesting)

Rhodri Mawr (862554) | more than 2 years ago | (#38393900)

That's because the law can comprehend the difference between faiths and fanboyism and making a joke on a mandatory census. This is where the law is sensible.
However, where the legislation fails is when it does not protect people against discrimination based on their place of birth or language, should that be within the UK. For example, were you to discriminate against someone based on the fact that they were English, Welsh or Scottish, or even Cornish, Northern or from Norfolk, Kernow or Cymraeg speaking or any one of many other ways that people are "different" then you would be quite entitled to do so. e.g. Anne Robinson's comments. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/1279679.stm [bbc.co.uk]

Re:Discrimination against The Jedi! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38394764)

That's because the law can comprehend the difference between faiths and fanboyism and making a joke on a mandatory census. This is where the law is sensible.

So if a person legitimately believed he were a Jedi, the law would treat this differently? Can you see any problems with that?

Re:Discrimination against The Jedi! (2, Interesting)

houghi (78078) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394778)

That's because the law can comprehend the difference between faiths and fanboyism

That is your problem right there, because there is no difference.

Re:Discrimination against The Jedi! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38393990)

The best plot we the sith ever did. Now to hack down all the padawans!

Re:Discrimination against The Jedi! (1)

FairAndHateful (2522378) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394264)

Duh. The UK bases all of its security on CC cameras, and one wave of the hand and it's all "these are not the droids you're looking for." Wait... I think I got it backwards... The Jedi should be working for the cops! Whenever the citizens bitch about the CC, they send in the Jedi Knights to make the people think that's not what they're looking for! Very confusing indeed...

Re:Discrimination against The Jedi! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38394294)

Cry me a river when Jedi Knights actually die in the name of their faith. They've got nothing on Christianity and when it comes to religious persecution. And people are bitching about hoodies?? How insulting!

Re:Discrimination against The Jedi! (1)

Noughmad (1044096) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394752)

They've got nothing on Christianity and when it comes to religious persecution.

True. I propose we amend this by starting the Jedi Inquisition. Burn all the Siths, Trekkies, and people who like the first three episodes. If anyone happens to expect it, we'll just wave our hands.

Also let's start a world war because some idiots apparently believe that not wearing a hood at all times is acceptable, and another on midichlorians. This would put up close to Christianity, wouldn't it?

The scary subtext (5, Funny)

silvermorph (943906) | more than 2 years ago | (#38393854)

50% of the population didn't want to report their religion because they are secretly Sith.

Steps in the right direction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38393870)

Well, if there's got to be religion, at least Jedi Knights adhere to one that doesn't involve cutting up the genitalia of boys and girls.

Re:Steps in the right direction (3, Funny)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394068)

They do, they just use a lightsabre.

Re:Steps in the right direction (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394514)

"Well, if there's got to be religion, at least Jedi Knights adhere to one that doesn't involve cutting up the genitalia of boys and girls."

" Shabbath 19:2
        They may perform on the Sabbath all things that are needful for circumcision: excision, tearing, sucking [the wound], and putting thereon a bandage and cumin. If this had not been pounded up on the eve of the Sabbath a man may chew it with his teeth and then apply it.

The Mishnah
Translated by Herbert Danby
Oxford: Oxford University Press. 1933. pp. 116-117."

Kinda torn (1)

The Grim Reefer (1162755) | more than 2 years ago | (#38393912)

I can't decide if this is funny, sad, or both.

If they can call themselves Jedi Knights . . . (4, Funny)

The_Myth (84113) | more than 2 years ago | (#38393930)

If they can call themselves Jedi Knights shouldn't the be able to like Force Pull there car out of their parking space and over their heads to another parking space?

I would be more inclined to take them seriously if they called themselves Force Adepts or Force Sensitive rather than Knights.

Re:If they can call themselves Jedi Knights . . . (4, Funny)

M. Baranczak (726671) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394326)

You would? Really? Force Sensitive sounds like a marketing slogan for a condom. That was badly translated from Chinese.

Re:If they can call themselves Jedi Knights . . . (2)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394536)

You would? Really? Force Sensitive sounds like a marketing slogan for a condom. That was badly translated from Chinese.

More like a brand of razor thought up by an imagination-less western marketing department.

Introducing the new 16 blade Force Sensitive.

Re:If they can call themselves Jedi Knights . . . (1)

navyjeff (900138) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394674)

If they can call themselves a Christian, shouldn't they be able to move mountains, walk on water, and drink poison without suffering harm?

Grow up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38393952)

It's time to grow up.

This is why I don't believe in compulsory voting (5, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 2 years ago | (#38393982)

For the longest time, I admired Brazil, among other countries, for forcing people to vote.

Because one of the reasons sometimes the suckiest politicians get elected is because people don't vote. Remember how close the 2000 election was between Gore and Bush? Did you vote?! We would not have invaded Iraq in 2003 if something like 0.002% of useless turds actually got off their asses in 2000 and spent 15 minutes at a polling station instead of at a video game console. No: the Democrats are not the same as the Republicans. Gore would not have invaded Iraq. That's why your vote COUNTS. (Now we will hear some assholes argue why Gore would have invaded Iraq, rather than concede the simple and obvious point that your vote matters.)

You get the government you deserve, and if you don't vote, then your government shows as much interest in you as you do in it when it comes time to actually PARTICIPATE in the formation of your own fucking government. People died so that your leader is chosen by you. People are dying today to get that right in other countries. And some people could care less. Some pathetic losers would rather play video games.

But then I realized, when this Jedi story was discussed awhile back, from an Australian census I believe, that some people just don't take life seriously. And you can't force them to.

That, if forced to vote, you'd see Bullwinkle and Kodos and Senator Palpatine winning thousands of votes.

You can't force people to care.

So, while I still admire Brazil and other countries for forcing people to acknowledge they should participate in their democracy, because it is such a gift, I don't push the issue anymore. Now, all I do is, when I hear someone complain about politics, I ask them "did you vote?" And if they go "no," I simply walk away and that person is simply dead to me forever more and I have zero respect for them. For being such a complacent hypocritical empty tool.

There are some things in life which are actually important and not funny. YOur religion? Jedi? OK, that's funny. But voting? Vote, damnit, it's not a joke. Thousands may die because you couldn't be bothered and some sycophant of the oil industry got in a position to fulfill Neocon masturbatory fantasies, nevermind your own country's domestic ruling agenda.

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (4, Insightful)

wdsci (1204512) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394028)

Some of us don't vote because we consider it politically irresponsible to make a choice that we don't believe in. If I dislike (or like) all candidates in an election equally, not voting is a (even the) proper choice. The point: before you brush people off for "not participating" in government, make sure they really are being lazy rather than consciously abstaining.

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (3, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394130)

every choice you ever make in your entire life, on every single topic, from the most personal, to the most small, to the most cosmic, to the most mundane, to the most crucial, is a compromise

you will, forever more, in your entire life, and as long as human beings with free will exist in democratic societies, only get a choice of candidates that only approximates your values, anyone's values. you get a choice: vaguely grey area candidate this, or vaguely grey area candidate that. no better than that. welcome to reality

that you don't get to vote exactly for your ideal hero as your candidate, who matches your values 100%, therefore, you're not going to vote: that only tells me you are a fool

what you just said earns you, from me, instantaneous disrespect and disgust

because, in essence, what you are saying is that you are too good for us. you will not sully your "principles" to submit to an ugly process that might mean you have to recognize that life has compromises. no: fuck you, you are cluelessly idealistic. there's nothing wrong with being an idealist. but there's something wrong with being so idealistic that recognizing basic facts of political reality is an insult to your cognition

you don't have principles. you have high minded impossible standards that life will never live up to. and rather than live with the basic truth of the ugliness of the world, such as it is, and help to make it better by participating in it, you'd rather hide in your ivory tower and pretend you know better than us. no, you know less than us, because you believe your abstention makes you superior. it makes you inferior, for failing to recognize that your participation is the only way any of your ideals get realized. you tweak your ego at the expense of actually mattering to the world. you are a narcissist, preserving the ego at the expense of participating in your society, there is nothing "conscientious" about your behavior, that's just how you rationalize your complacency to yourself (since it is flattering to your ego, you narcissist)

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38394292)

The primary reason people in the U.S.A. don't vote is because of our electoral system. I grew up in a state that consistently voted Republican (roughly 85%). Sadly, my vote isn't going to change the outcome of the presidential election; it has more impact on the local level.

Nevertheless, I have very little time to be informed about all potential candidates so I have my own value system for voting and evaluating candidates. It's called the hebejebes magnitude scale. The more hebejebes measured, the less likely I am to vote for said candidate. George W. Bush was 100% hebejebes. When I get the hebejebes, I vote for the other candidate.

And to be serious, I am deeply sorry for the wars.

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38394680)

The primary reason people in the U.S.A. don't vote is because of our electoral system. I grew up in a state that consistently voted Republican (roughly 85%). Sadly, my vote isn't going to change the outcome of the presidential election; it has more impact on the local level.

Nevertheless, I have very little time to be informed about all potential candidates so I have my own value system for voting and evaluating candidates. It's called the hebejebes magnitude scale. The more hebejebes measured, the less likely I am to vote for said candidate. George W. Bush was 100% hebejebes. When I get the hebejebes, I vote for the other candidate.

And to be serious, I am deeply sorry for the wars.

Your attitude is terrible.

Every vote counts just as much every other. There is NO excuse to not vote.

It doesn't matter if your state votes 50% either way, 80% for your candidate, or 1% for your candidate. There has never been an election decided by 1 vote, so why does your vote matter "more" if it's close?

VOTE NO MATTER WHAT.

And btw, no state votes 85% Republican.

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (4, Interesting)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394132)

Consciously abstaining is the stupidest fucking thing imaginable. Vote for a third party, if you must, but better yet, vote for the less bad candidate. And vote in primaries, so you get better choices. People DIED because of Bush being elected. Thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands worldwide. Trillions of dollars were wasted. It was a complete, unmitigated disaster, and it was one that was obviously coming. That was several years ago... and the Republicans got your message loud and clear. They learned their lesson: that if they make things awful enough, you'll just give up and let them take whatever they want. Great job!

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (3, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394184)

mod parent up

if you don't participate in your democratic society, you are helping the side you like least win

those with ideology you dislike depend upon you to not participate. they understand how you think, and all they have to do is act ugly enough, and you just cede to them power

so there's nothing principled or conscientious about you abstaining. it's just stupid and self-defeating

show that you care enough to try to matter. that's more important than a "conscience" that thinks standing around idly while evil happens is any sort of conscience

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38394188)

People DIED because of Bush being elected.

Get a fucking clue and quit blaming everything on Bush. It was CONGRESS and not Bush who declared war on Iraq, get over it.

Wrong! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38394256)

Congress made no declaration of war. Didn't happen. They passed The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 because they were too corrupt and cowardly to resist a President who lied through his teeth to take us to war without reason. So yeah, Congress let him do it, but Bush did it. How did you let that detail slip by you?

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38394474)

Bush didn't get elected once but twice. I wasn't old enough to vote the first time and the second time, during my stint in the navy, we didn't get our absentee ballots while out at sea. Granted he wouldn't have gotten elected a second time if it weren't for the first but that's what the voting resulted in... for the most part.

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (4, Interesting)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394626)

Consciously abstaining is the stupidest fucking thing imaginable. Vote for a third party, if you must, but better yet, vote for the less bad candidate. And vote in primaries, so you get better choices. People DIED because of Bush being elected. Thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands worldwide. Trillions of dollars were wasted. It was a complete, unmitigated disaster, and it was one that was obviously coming. That was several years ago... and the Republicans got your message loud and clear. They learned their lesson: that if they make things awful enough, you'll just give up and let them take whatever they want. Great job!

LOL.

In case you haven't heard all the Obama hate, apparently he hasn't made anything better. Or so I'm told by angry Americans.

I'm Australian, not American so I'd bet the truth is infinitely stranger.

I'm Australian as I said and we have compulsory voting. I'm looking at an A$120 fine for just not turning up. It's the most retarded electoral idea ever, as the OP said in this thread, you cant force people to care. You can only force them to do "something", chances are it wont be something good. A lot of Australians just tick boxes at random or worse yet in order (ballot order is randomly drawn) but you dont want someone like One Nation or the BNP getting the apathy vote. People who vote properly but dont care who they vote for are worse then people who Donkey [wikipedia.org] .

Bush could have won by a much larger majority in both elections due entirely by apathy voters. More people voting != more people caring.

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (1, Insightful)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394710)

If I dislike (or like) all candidates in an election equally,

If you can say that, you haven't even bothered to look at the candidates. Even choosing the least worst is better than abstaining and letting the worst win by default. It's self-righteous "they're all scum" people who allow the "scum" to win time after time.

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (2)

Morty (32057) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394762)

If I dislike (or like) all candidates in an election equally, not voting is a (even the) proper choice.

Most elections have a bunch of offices and decisions, each with a bunch of candidates/options. How is it possible that you are consistently seeing equivalence between the various sets of candidates and options? I could understand if, in some small fraction of individual line items, your research turned up that the options were equally bad. But how can you not be voting at all?

Far more likely: you aren't doing adequate research. The options seem equivalent to you because, with minimal information about the candidates, you are unable to substantively differentiate between them. So get off your butt and do your homework.

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (1)

smart_ass (322852) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394818)

If you like or dislike all candidates equally I would argue that you haven't done the research and are making excuses.
I don't want to rate / order my friends or family, but gun to my head (or theirs) I could.

Compulsory voting is A GOOD THING because it gives the extra push to those who are just on the edge of going what they need to get off their a$$es and vote.

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (5, Insightful)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394092)

some people just don't take life seriously

There's a word for people like that.

"Happy".

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (4, Interesting)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394108)

That, if forced to vote, you'd see Bullwinkle and Kodos and Senator Palpatine winning thousands of votes.

As an Australian who has worked at polling booths counting votes, I can say that the number of informal ballots (that is, ballots that don't indicate a valid choice, such as your examples above, or people who just shove the form in the box without voting at all) is a small minority. Even then, it is useful - the most recent federal election had a record number of informal votes, indicative of a populace who was deeply apathetic about both primary party candidates. The apathy was borne out by other evidence as well - we ended up with a minority government for the first time in my lifetime, due to the extreme swing away from both primary parties.

As to your statement about Gore and Bush, if Bush had stated his intentions of invading Iraq when he was elected, he probably wouldn't have been. That's the primary problem with our elected politicians - once elected, none of their voters have any guarantee of what they will do, and they aren't held to any promises they said they would. We're essentially voting them into a position of supreme authority blind.

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (1)

am 2k (217885) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394180)

Even then, it is useful - the most recent federal election had a record number of informal votes, indicative of a populace who was deeply apathetic about both primary party candidates.

So, did that change anything in the way the politicians behave? I don't think so, since those votes don't have any negative impact on them.

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (1)

HJED (1304957) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394446)

Not directly but it contributed to the massive swing away from both parties resulting in a minority government, likewise people voting for minority parties made a difference and the greens now hold the balance of power in the senate whilst the independents hold it in the house of reps. So yes I would say it did.

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (1)

rhook (943951) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394206)

As to your statement about Gore and Bush, if Bush had stated his intentions of invading Iraq when he was elected

The US Congress declared war on Iraq, not Bush. The President of the United States does not have the power nor the authority to declare a war, which is why Obama broke the law when he had our military bomb Libya without cause, provocation or a declaration of war.

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (2, Insightful)

Shetan (20885) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394378)

The US Congress declared war on Iraq, not Bush. The President of the United States does not have the power nor the authority to declare a war, which is why Obama broke the law when he had our military bomb Libya without cause, provocation or a declaration of war.

Congress hasn't declared war on anyone since World War II. Congress did authorize the use of military force in Iraq in 2002 based on what Bush thought to be appropriate.

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (1)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394664)

As an Australian who has worked at polling booths counting votes, I can say that the number of informal ballots (that is, ballots that don't indicate a valid choice, such as your examples above, or people who just shove the form in the box without voting at all) is a small minority. Even then, it is useful - the most recent federal election had a record number of informal votes, indicative of a populace who was deeply apathetic about both primary party candidates. The apathy was borne out by other evidence as well - we ended up with a minority government for the first time in my lifetime, due to the extreme swing away from both primary parties.

I think that apathy was expressed largely by the number of votes that went to third parties. Labor won government but they depend on the Greens and the Independents (speaking personally, I dont see an issue here as I dont trust Labor or the Coalition to do things in the best interest of Australians) even a lot of the Coalition votes came in via the Nationals.

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38394128)

Yes, because everyone who didn't vote would undoubtably vote the way you want them to vote.

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (1)

KBehemoth (2519358) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394160)

So would we see more Star Wars or Star Trek write-ins?

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38394164)

Some pathetic losers would rather play video games.

Fuck yeah!

from an Australian census I believe, that some people just don't take life seriously

It was question 12 from the 2006 Australian census:

"Do you take life too seriously?
a) Yes
b) Jedi"

Vote, damnit, it's not a joke

That depends on your choice of candidates and the way the voting system is configured. Australia has a 2 party voting system, corruptly arranged electorates, an unbelievable history of disingenuous leadership, one sided media and an incredibly stable party devotion voting system. For example, at the last 3 federal elections my electorate was one of the closest in the country .. just a month ago, the entire town where I lived was moved into another electorate. Now the electoral map looks like someone has stuck a knife right down the middle! Why? This was the town which kept swinging the elections away from the incumbent party! Now it's safe and my vote doesn't count anymore.

Democracy? I've tasted it, but this most certainly isn't it. And if you think those

Neocon

s are representing you, wake up [americawakeup.net] !

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (1)

HJED (1304957) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394464)

Australia doesn't have a two party system at the moment, in case you hadn't noticed the greens have the balance of power in the senate and the independents do in the house of reps. That's 3 parties with a significant say in government (Liberals/Nationals, Labour and the greens) + the independents

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (1)

hittman007 (206669) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394198)

I show up at the polls for every election, not just the big ones. I always vote for the person I want, and never against the person I don't want. If I don't think either is qualified to do the job or will screw it up I vote for neither. This is still a vote in my book as I'm making the decision to not support either candidate. For some reason the higher up the political spectrum the position is the less likely I am to actually cast a vote. I simply can't justify voting for the lesser of two evils, either way your still voting for evil.

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (2)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394228)

except that every election, past, present, and future, in any democratic society possible, is a choice between two evils

because politics is nothing more than a process of compromise. and every compromise can, and is, described as a form of evil

so your entire point is completely moot. you are always voting for the lesser of two evils, forever, for anyone, for any society

to not make peace with that realization just means you do not understand the nature of life

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38394204)

What makes the Jedi vote less serious than a vote for Christian or Muslim? They're all equally complete fucking nonsense.

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394238)

Money. The Jedi don't have it.

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (1)

RonTheHurler (933160) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394302)

Do you ever read Doonsbury?

It's author, Berke Breathed, was a student at the U of Texas back in the early 1980s. He had a cartoon called Academia Waltz in the school paper.
In it, there was a character named "Hank the Hallucination."

Well. Hank was handily elected president of the student body without even running for it.

At least it proved to me that the votes were legitimate and not part of a conspiracy by the elites...

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38394366)

Sorry, but you're living in a fantasy.

If voting could actually alter anything at all, then there would be other systems of control in place to compensate. As it stands, voting makes no difference. Heck, notwithstanding propaganda which fools all the retarded people, combined with *massive* vote fraud to control the rest, combined with Israel using every type of psychological leverage available from simple, "You won't have a job if you go against the grain" to the charming, "We have photos of you fucking child prostitutes" to control things at the candidate level, -ignoring all of that-, as well as the CIA dirty-tricks portion of the equation, (the black world owns virtually everything and it certainly isn't going to roll over just because some people happen to believe in the fantasy of democratic elections or de-balled occupy movements)...

If we ignore ALL of that, did you notice what happened last election? Why, we got any color we wanted, so long as it was black. Yay democracy.

And nothing changed. Nothing was supposed to. We're still a warring nation with secret prisons all over the globe, where the banks are allowed to run roughshod over the populace, dismantling Europe one nation at a time. But that's not even the bottom line. Those are just the details. The bottom line is that the plutocrats are in control, as they have been since money was first invented.

And if you think they are going to relinquish that control through a ballot box, then you're sleeping. Maybe at one time this was possible, but that was quite some time ago now.

We are well into the end game, so if you don't have your psyche in order, you'd better fix that pronto. The curtains are falling fast. Don't dawdle at the ballot box.

"voting makes no difference" (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394500)

voting makes a difference, because i live in a democracy, asshole. and if my society ever stops being a democracy, it will be because the majority of people think like you

i'm sorry for whatever personal psychological problems you have where you believe you have no control over your life. but don't project your personal failings onto my reality. life is what you make of it, and if you choose to make of your life the life of a slave, don't make that lame of choice of yours hurt my life. i am a free man. but you, the way you think: you have a slave's mentality. those who do malicous things in this world DEPEND upon cattle like you to think the way you do about how reality works. but i won't let your resignation to accept whatever bullshit they try to feed you also mean that i have to take that bullshit to

the most frustrating thing, for people like me, free men, is to be dragged down by people like you with a slave's mentality. read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness [wikipedia.org]

this wikipedia entry describes how you think:

In the learned helplessness experiment an animal is repeatedly hurt by an adverse stimulus which it cannot escape.
Eventually the animal will stop trying to avoid the pain and behave as if it is utterly helpless to change the situation.
Finally, when opportunities to escape are presented, this learned helplessness prevents any action. The only coping mechanism the animal uses is to be stoical and put up with the discomfort, not expending energy getting worked up about the adverse stimulus.

again, i'm sorry for your psychological problems. but stop projecting your personal failures onto my politics. you have control in your society, whether or not you believe it. i don't believe i have control in my society. i know i do. because i am a free man

try to figure out where your life went wrong and how you might find the courage to try to matter again. if you can't do that, then shut up and fuck off, because you are nothing more than a useless self-chosen slave at this point in your life, and your mentality is toxic to democracy

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38394670)

I believe in compulsory turning up to vote and having your name marked off.

Making people go to vote and then letting them in privacy, correctly mark or not mark their piece of paper ant put it in the collection bin.

That way we are slightly safer from people threatening to kill voters if they turn up. It helps ensure people have the opportunity to vote if they want to. But we don't force them to as we have anonymous voting. I think the electronic Voting machines may in the future remove this. I am against electronic Voting machines for this reason.

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (1)

perryizgr8 (1370173) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394690)

Now, all I do is, when I hear someone complain about politics, I ask them "did you vote?" And if they go "no," I simply walk away and that person is simply dead to me forever more and I have zero respect for them.

that might be a bit of an overreaction, don't you think?

Re:This is why I don't believe in compulsory votin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38394692)

Not voting is a vote for dictatorship.

Dog tags (1)

cavePrisoner (1184997) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394058)

You can put Jediism (or whatever the proper noun is) on military id tags. I've seen more than a few soldiers with it written on their tags.

Re:Dog tags (2)

rhook (943951) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394216)

You can put down anything you want as your religion in the US Military.

Re:Dog tags (4, Interesting)

xs650 (741277) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394322)

There can be consequences if you don't pick a recognized religion. I was restricted to base for a weekend and given extra duty twice for putting down atheist and refusing to change it.

Re:Dog tags (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394508)

What is the official alternative? Non-denominational?

Re:Dog tags (1)

cavePrisoner (1184997) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394510)

ID tags are covered by AR 600-8-14 (1992). It seems you are mostly right, that any religion can be specified, as the AR only shows examples of religions, and not a list of acceptable options. In the past, there was a designation for "Other" which was 'X' and "No preference" which was 'Y'. Now that it is spelled out the "other" option is gone, but you can put any religion on there. But it still must be a religion to stay within regulation.

Without a list of options, it should fall to the commander on what is acceptable on id tags. It does not specify what is considered a religion, but it still must be a religion after all. With that being said, putting jediism on your tags should only result in minimal grief from leadership. If I try to claim couchpotatoism as my religion, it's going to be a long road to fight for the right to wear it.

As the other comment pointed out Atheism was not allowed in their case. I guess you could argue atheism is a lack of religion rather than an actual religion. It still doesn't sit right that punishment was carried out though.

Not a great idea (5, Insightful)

liamoshan (1283930) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394168)

Every time there's a census in Australia, putting "Jedi" as your religion is suggested as a fun way to mess with the system

I must admit that at first thought, this seemed like a cool idea to me, but I remember reading an analysis pointing out that it isn't such a great idea. If you're not religious, the best answer you can put is "Not religious" (atheist, agnostic, naturalist etc are filed under this by the census system)

Every non-religious person who puts "Jedi" as their religion is one extra statistic who is counted as being a religious when attempting to justify policies like compulsory religious instruction in government schools [theage.com.au]

Re:Not a great idea (3, Insightful)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394274)

I don't see the problem. Religion should be a subject you learn about in school. So much the better if Jediism and FSMism are big enough to be included.

The problem with what you linked to is just one phrase: "primarily Christian."

(religion, ie Christianity, was an optional hour a week for a month subject when I was in elementary school. I had great fun asking the priest interesting questions. He had less fun trying to answer them. )

Related to SWTOR (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394272)

There is a huge hype over Star Wars the Old Republic [youtube.com] which will be released next week as probably the biggest MMO in history!

A lot of people like myself who have lost interest in Star Wars are showing a strong interest again.

A good joke but can have unintended consequences (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38394354)

OK, so it's funny to call yourself a Jedi on the census. I get it.

But beware of religious organisations who will attempt to use the number of persons who identify with *any* religion to justify their further funding. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion could end up helping to buy fundamentalists some airtime.

The big question is..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38394412)

.... do they have light sabers?

Prague Spring (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 2 years ago | (#38394566)

Read about it. czech, bohemian geographies have always been geographies of forward thinking and revolution.
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