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DynDNS Cuts Back Free DNS Options

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the yes-we-have-fewer-bananas-today dept.

Networking 223

First time accepted submitter LazyBoyWrangler writes "Just noticed the 'free' non-commercial service from DynDNS has been deprecated. Not my place to argue with their business model changes, but the home router infrastructure out there has been built around the promise of free dynamic DNS service. Most manufacturers offer DynDNS as their only option. Removing the free service for non-commercial folks seems disingenuous when they are the only option for many users." According to the linked page, the free service is being drastically cut back for new users (one free hostname, rather than five, and from a shorter list of branded domains), but not ended entirely. Existing users, it says, will see no changes "as long as you keep your hostnames active and up-to-date. If you allow your account or hostnames to expire, you will have to select from the new domains instead and will be limited to the one free hostname."

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Happy Holidays from the Golden Girls! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38406172)

Thank you for being a friend
Traveled down the road and back again
Your heart is true, you're a pal and a cosmonaut.

And if you threw a party
Invited everyone you ever knew
You would see the biggest gift would be from me
And the card attached would say, thank you for being a friend.

Doesn't matter (5, Insightful)

Foxhoundz (2015516) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406176)

I've been using this [afraid.org] site for a while now and I must say I like it.

Re:Doesn't matter (4, Informative)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406184)

It does matter when 99% of routers only have dyndns as an option.

Re:Doesn't matter (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38406304)

It does matter when 99% of routers only have dyndns as an option.

we are the 99%

Re:Doesn't matter (0)

ciaohound (118419) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406598)

Occupy deprecated.

Re:Doesn't matter (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38406674)

It does matter when 99% of routers only have dyndns as an option.

we are the 99%

And I'm the 1%, so fuck you. I don't want people to see my porn. Or my downloads. Or what I do in my bedroom when the computer is on or off. Or the texts I send to my GF, the websites I watch, the articles I read, the stuff in private that should be private. That's what this is about.

Post Anonymously on purpose bitch.

Re:Doesn't matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38406994)

Excuse me, what are you rambling about?

Re:Doesn't matter (4, Informative)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407004)

Then buy the service or run your own DNS why don't you? Geez, the economy is in the shitter, these guys are probably hurting just like everyone else and simply can't afford to keep giving the service away, yet listen to all the bitching. If the service is THAT useful to you? Then why don't you help them stay afloat! TNSTAAFL you know, would you rather they just went tits up? Service goes dark either way you know.

Re:Doesn't matter (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406736)

occupy DNS?

Re:Doesn't matter (4, Funny)

jd (1658) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406770)

Occupy X.500, it has a classier name and more features.

Re:Doesn't matter (4, Interesting)

DaveWick79 (939388) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406352)

It's not like updating via a router is the only choice. If you are hosting something on that IP you are going to have at least one box that can run a software client to update.

Also the vast majority of non-commercial users don't need multiple sites on one account - and they don't need a huge selection of dozens of host domains. DynDns is simplifying their free service without affecting the needs of 99.9% of new users. And if you need more sites it is not that hard to setup a free email account to link it to.

So the bottom line is, this is a non-story.

Re:Doesn't matter (3, Interesting)

adolf (21054) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406898)

It's not like updating via a router is the only choice. If you are hosting something on that IP you are going to have at least one box that can run a software client to update.

Not always. Think about a remote security DVR, or a remote (mostly) brainless NAS hard disk for backups, and you'll be on the right track: The fact that there is a network connection and some gear that needs a dynamic hostname does not also mean that there is also a PC capable of running arbitrary software.

Throwing a cheap router into the mix (which PPPOE users needed to have anyway) just plain fixed that, for a lot of folks, for a long time. This (actually rather old) announcement changes things somewhat.

This is important because some people might not have seen an email from DynDNS for a decade or more, and will be very surprised when their things stop working after all this time.

There are other options for DynDNS only routers (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38406624)

Worth a look: http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/What_is_DD-WRT%3F

Open source router firmware provides support for a number of dynamic dns providers. Including: DynDNS, easyDNS, FreeDNS, No-IP, TZO, ZoneEdit, custom, and others

Re:There are other options for DynDNS only routers (1)

jd (1658) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406784)

I only use open-source router firmware. The stuff normally provided has no worthwhile support for IPTables (or replacements thereof), IPv6, Multicast, Dynamic DNS, honeypots, IPSec, SK/IP, AQM, or indeed anything much that Linux has.

Re:Doesn't matter (1)

msobkow (48369) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406640)

Nonsense. You always have the option of paying your ISP for a static IP address and registering a normal DNS entry.

Re:Doesn't matter (1)

mcavic (2007672) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407008)

Not always. Most ISP's don't advertise static IP's for residential service, and in many cases I bet you'd have a hard time getting someone on the phone who knows what a static IP is. Two cable techs who came out to my house recently weren't even familiar with ping. Only one of them recognized the value of it.

Re:Doesn't matter (0, Flamebait)

macraig (621737) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406714)

Bullshit. The router doesn't HAVE TO do the updating. What are you, new here? Pick a different free service like afraid.org, run the updating service or background app on a PC connected to the router, and shut your whiny yapper.

Stupid sky-is-falling nihilists.

Re:Doesn't matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38407006)

i choose my router from openwrt list of supported hardware.

if you can't spend $100, sorry

Re:Doesn't matter (1)

NJRoadfan (1254248) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407118)

...and thats why I have a DynDNS account even though my domain registrar offers dynamic DNS service for free on all my domains registered with them.

Warning Goatse!!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38406196)

Don't click on the above link!!! It is a Goatse.cx re-direct link! You have been warned.

Re:Warning Goatse!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38406312)

This is bullshit. afraid.org has a lot of good stuff. I just registered an account. There are loads of domains from which you can get a subdomain too. There's a dynamic DNS section too.

Re:Warning Goatse!!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38406414)

If you think a man spreading his asshole in ways that defy physics is good, then, yes, there's a lot of good stuff.

Re:Doesn't matter (1)

skids (119237) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406538)

Currently using that and these other [buddyns.com] two [nether.net] . But then I only ever wanted secondary service, if possible with NOTIFY support. Someday I'll mail in some cash to these fine folks, as I did with everydns before it got eaten by dyndns.

Re:Doesn't matter (1)

adolf (21054) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406858)

I used to use afraid.org, but switched to something else when their domains inexplicably weren't resolving for a long time ago for what seemed to last a week or two.

Much more recently, I just buy my own domains for the pittance that it costs per year, pick a free DNS provider (Zone Edit still works fine, for instance), and do the dynamic DNS thing that way. If I ever find that the DNS provider is down for some reason, I can fix it myself.

Yep (5, Interesting)

bobstreo (1320787) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406178)

Already lost a domain name I had for I have no idea how many years because google marked the notification as junk so I never saw it.

I'm partly to blame for not logging in every other day to make sure my account didn't expire.

Re:Yep (1)

cyachallenge (2521604) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406288)

I would recommend using an auto updater such as the one recommended on the dyndns.org site. http://dyn.com/support/clients/ [dyn.com]

Re:Yep (2)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406428)

Unlikely to help if you IP hardly ever changes...

Re:Yep (1)

IQgryn (1081397) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406448)

Ddclient will update every so often anyway, and I'd imagine most others do the same.

Re:Yep (2)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406646)

Which would be behaviour they explicitely list as abuse on the link above. But if they don't care about their own rules (or can't be bothered specifying them accurately) I guess it doesn't matter.

Re:Yep (1)

definate (876684) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406792)

They don't specify what the frequency for abuse would be, but hourly would probably be a touch excessive, however daily wouldn't. I've used DynDNS and most clients update daily, or based on changes. Never had a problem.

Re:Yep (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406812)

The text says updating when the IP hasn't changed is abuse. Sure, they don't actually mean that, but that's what they wrote.

Re:Yep (2)

mcavic (2007672) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407014)

I haven't read the instructions in a while, but updating every 20 or 25 days is not abuse to avoid a 30 day expiration.

Re:Yep (1)

cyachallenge (2521604) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406512)

Actually, as long as you regularly update with the server it doesn' t matter. I used dyndns for quite a while years back.

Re:Yep (3, Informative)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406862)

Actually, it does matter a lot. Regardless if you have a static IP or not, you need the client to 'touch' your online account for you. Otherwise, it will expire unless you manually log into their website with your account. I'm not sure how often it's required, but don't let it pass more than a few weeks or you'll find your DynDNS account deleted.

Re:Yep (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38407116)

Already lost a domain name I had for I have no idea how many years because google marked the notification as junk so I never saw it.

SAME. EXACT. THING. happened to me. The gmail account, for years, worked fine. All of a sudden one month, it marked a bunch of stuff spam that wasn't. Spam trap was catching everything. I'll bet anything this happened to us at the same time... and it really *was* google's fault for, without notice, rolling out some new spam algorithm, or a clever dyndns admin trick. I believe a lot of people lost their dyndns DN's this year, and not because someone scooped up the name. When we went to re-register because our accounts were deleted, we no longer had the same options, did we?

What's most disturbing is the lack of others... (5, Interesting)

Above (100351) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406182)

While there are services, like DynDNS with proprietary interfaces the reality is that dynamic DNS has a standard interface. RFC 2136 style updates should work with any provider, allowing equipment makers to support everyone. While DynDNS has supported people well, I hope this move makes end users demand RFC standard support in devices so that ANY dynamic DNS provider can be used. There are choices other than DynDNS, they have maintained their lead only via a proprietary interface and a market lead.

Re:What's most disturbing is the lack of others... (5, Interesting)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406440)

What's really disturbing is the sense of entitlement on the internet; Network resources cost money. Maybe not much, but not zero either. But I digress... end users aren't going to demand anything. Appealing to a sudden outburst of education and intelligence is like praying for rain in the middle of a desert. Sure, once in a great, great while you might get lucky and have your wish granted... But I'd humbly suggest a more life-preserving option.

I mean, look at IPv6; IP address space is now gone. There were economic and technical incentives years ago to convert but nobody did. Now IP addresses, a completely artificial and invented thing, has become equivalent to real property... and people are reluctant to switch now because they've made an investment in this intangible.

No, if there's anything the internet has taught me it's this; The answer to "They couldn't POSSIBLY be that stupid..." is always "Oh yes they could."

Re:What's most disturbing is the lack of others... (1)

jd (1658) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406802)

The theory is that an ISP should have a fat upsteam pipe of cost X and N thin downstream pipes of cost Y and price Z, such that X + N.Y < N.Z + some reasonable profit margin. The practice is that market forces want Z to be below what can be sustained because it kills off the competitors, provided you don't mind providing a degraded service. The catch is that so many customers are happy with degraded service that the ISPs aren't killed off and Z stays below what the infrastructure can tolerate.

Re:What's most disturbing is the lack of others... (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406892)

Comcast and others are testing IPv6. But let's be real here. There's profit in scarcity. The cell phone industry most assuredly be moving to IPv6, but it won't be pushed very if at all in the home market. Soon, the dynamic public IP will be gone and instead double-NAT will be the default behavior. This will service three purpose.

1. It will extend the useful life out of the IP block an ISP has and thus serve more customers.
2. Double-NAT inherently breaks bit torrent, and VPN connectivity. The former uses excessive bandwidth while VPN users are business oriented users anyways.
3. Forces users that need a public facing IP (like they used to have for free) to now pay for it at two different price points. One for dynamic and other static. Both could now be classified as a business account. Used by non other than VPN users.

Cha Ching Cha Ching $$$$$$!!!! And they laugh all the way to the bank.

Re:What's most disturbing is the lack of others... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38407096)

that is not the way a market works. One ISP will switch to ipv6 and offer all those abilities back to their customers. The others will follow suit or go out of business, with some having the ability to survive with the less service due to local market monopoly only.

Not really proprietary... (5, Informative)

DragonHawk (21256) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406474)

DynDNS, they have maintained their lead only via a proprietary interface and a market lead.

Dyn has submitted their HTTP update API as an IETF draft:

http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-jennings-app-dns-update-02.txt [ietf.org]

So it's not proprietary (limited to or owned by them). You might call it non-standard, but if that draft was accepted it would be on the IETF standards track.

Also, Dyn *does* offer DNS UPDATE support, but only for paying customers:

http://dyn.com/support/clients/dynamic-dns-updates-via-tsig/ [dyn.com]

Awesome! Finally. (5, Insightful)

GoRK (10018) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406204)

I think this is great news. Maybe router manufacturers will now be smart enough to simply include DNS Update (RFC 2136) support instead of the proprietary dyndns garbage. Enter your domain name and a key and you're all set.

Re:Awesome! Finally. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38406244)

Um, guys? You do realize that dyndns offers a secure update mechanism over SSL. RFC2136 punts when it comes to security, and basically says it's implementation-dependent.

Re:Awesome! Finally. (1)

jd (1658) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406810)

Yeah, but SSL's useless because the CAs are crap about maintaining security and the customers want dirt-cheap rather than integrity. You can't get cheaper than a thief.

Re:Awesome! Finally. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38406834)

Please learn about basic networking. You do not have to trust CAs at all if you don't want to - each site certificate should not change until it expires (more or less). And your proclamation that SSL is useless, how does it not make non-SSL at least equally as useless?

Re:Awesome! Finally. (1)

mcavic (2007672) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407024)

SSL's useless because the CAs are crap about maintaining security

So you're saying online banking is dead?

Re:Awesome! Finally. (1)

jd (1658) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407122)

Online banking typically uses two-step authentication -- precisely because SSL is crap. But even then, do a Slashdot search for CitiBank. If you're brave, you might even want to look up prior discussions on certs and look at which ones mention fake PayPal certs being issued. It has come up a few times. Online banking's not dead, the banks have improved some, but it is dangerous and ill-advised for more than a few banks.

Re:Awesome! Finally. (3, Informative)

marka63 (1237718) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406980)

RFC 3007, was standardised in 2000 as a method of securing updates.

Support of RFC 2137+3007 is built into Mac OS (System Preferences -> Sharing -> Edit -> Use Dynamic Global Hostname).

For Linux, *BSD add a call to nsupdate from dhclient-exit-hooks.

if test -n "$new_ip_address"
then
  nsupdate -y key:secret
  update delete hostname A
  update add hostname 300 A $new_ip_address
  send
EOF
fi

Well, they're not a charity (4, Insightful)

the_humeister (922869) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406218)

I use them, but I only have one address anyway.

If it has value to you (5, Insightful)

NaCh0 (6124) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406230)

Vote with your checkbook. We're not talking thousands of dollars or life critical systems here.

Re:If it has value to you (5, Insightful)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406418)

Exactly. Spend a few bucks people.

I've been paying them the pittance they ask every year since dirt. Its well worth it for the reliable service, and
access to machines behind dynamic ips. Way cheaper than a static IP these days, and essential for a
traveling machine. (I register two names per interface on traveling laptops, external IP, and internal IP).

Re:If it has value to you (1)

CodeReign (2426810) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406946)

Eh? DynDNS is fucking ripoff for any type of DNS. Or they were two years ago. $50 for basic services or $10 at hover for the same shit. Not a hard choice.

Re:If it has value to you (2)

mrmeval (662166) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406958)

I registered a domain with them for 10 years. Pretty cheap and they don't swat me for camping on it.

I've used Dyndns for a long time and I just paid them for the pro version for a year.

Re:If it has value to you (1)

fsckmnky (2505008) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406996)

What happened to the good ole days of the internet, where everyone was going to get filthy rich giving away stuff for free.

Sniff. I'm going to go and have a good nostalgic cry now.

Old news (3, Informative)

mcrbids (148650) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406232)

This was done a *long* time ago. Years? Old news is old.

Re:Old news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38406820)

It couldn't have been that long ago because I've recently added hosts to my account.

Re:Old news (5, Informative)

Wild Wizard (309461) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407106)

True just went back and checked my email from August 2010 and there is the notice.

Subject: Changes to NEW DynDNS.com Accounts
Message-ID: bfd1113cf66806ecb6d56590e45d7736@marketer.sendlabs.com
Return-Path: marketer@bouncelabs.com
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:39:14 -0300
From: "DynDNS Support"
Reply-To: support@dyndns.com

Hello:

As you may have seen, we are making some changes to Dynamic DNS accounts.
Instead of making the changes without notice, we wanted to give all of our
existing customers a heads up and explain why we are making these changes.
What changes are you talking about?

Previously we allowed each Dynamic DNS account to have 5 free hostnames and
you could select them from 88 different domains that we own. Now this will
be limited to 2 free hostnames from 18 DynDNS branded domains.

Also, we are increasing the number of hostnames that come with a DynDNS Pro
upgrade. Previously, each DynDNS Pro upgrade gave you the ability to add 25
additional hostnames. We are increasing that number to 30.
Why are you making these changes?

There are a number of reasons that we thought it was important to make
these changes now.

    1. Having 88 free domains to choose from was overwhelming for many of
our new users. By reducing this to 18 it makes it easier for people to get
started.

    2. By limiting the free options to the DynDNS branded domains, it helps
grow the awareness of our services. Although we are happy to offer our free
services, we simply ask that you help spread the word to other people who
might find our paid services helpful. We have to pay those bills somehow.

    3. Looking at the stats of our users over the past 12 years, we see that
the vast majority of people only use 1 free hostname. Our support team has
seen a lot of confusion caused by the five free hostnames, so when you
combine that with the normal use case, it just made sense. We are allowing
the 2nd hostname for those who need to create a WebHop to access your
hostname. If you are going to need more than 1 or 2 hostnames there's a
good chance you are using us for something important. If that's the case,
we simply ask that you pay $15/yr for the DynDNS Pro upgrade, which
provides a number of other benefits.

    4. If you are using our services for business critical needs, you should
consider our Custom DNS service.

What will happen to my current account and hostnames?

Nothing, as long as you keep your hostnames active and up-to-date. If you
allow your account or hostnames to expire, you will have to select from the
new domains instead and will be limited to the 2 free hostnames. To ensure
you aren’t affected by these changes, upgrade to DynDNS Pro for just
$15/yr. Again, there are a number of other benefits to upgrading.
You're just trying to force us to pay you, aren't you?

No, not really. As long as you keep your account active, you won't be
affected by these changes. We would never want to have a user feel like
they were forced to use our services. This does not seem to be a very good
business model to us. You do your part (log into your account or update
your hostname monthly) and we will do ours (continue to offer free Dynamic
DNS services to you).

--
Chris Widner
DynDNS Ninja Squad Sensei

They're complete asshats about DMCA emails (2, Interesting)

cshark (673578) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406234)

Was dealing with a DynDNS owned service awhile back. Took a very famous client from a competitor, and the competitor insisted they owned the web site, even though I had the contract with the previous company that clearly stated that they didn't. Previous company sends DynDNS a DMCA notice, I sent proof the notice was crap (with pertinent sections of the contracted highlighted for easy reading), they took down the web site... and then I moved my DNS to GoDaddy. It's disheartening that DynDNS are such complete shit heads. I will never do business with them, or any company owned by them again, and you shouldn't either.

Re:They're complete asshats about DMCA emails (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38406270)

You left DynDNS due to DMCA abuse and you then went to GoDaddy? Are you crazy?

Re:They're complete asshats about DMCA emails (1)

wezelboy (521844) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406340)

Where are my mod points when I need them?

Re:They're complete asshats about DMCA emails (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38406432)

It's sad when GoDaddy is actually better. Make of that what you will.

Re:They're complete asshats about DMCA emails (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38407034)

But it's not. What's really sad is thinking GoDaddy is better.

Re:They're complete asshats about DMCA emails (5, Insightful)

Zelucifer (740431) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406382)

Ok, but the correct response was to send a DMCA counter-notice. DMCA Safe Harbor requires them to take down infringement, unless a counter-notice is filed.

Re:They're complete asshats about DMCA emails (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38406456)

tl;dr: went from shit company to shit company

Re:They're complete asshats about DMCA emails (4, Insightful)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406468)

So instead of sending the simple counter notice that requires them to put ot back you decided to send something else that acting upon would expose them to legal liability.

And you were surprised that they decided not to lose their safe harbour protection?

My anecdote can beat up your anecdote (2)

DragonHawk (21256) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406504)

It's disheartening that DynDNS are such complete shit heads.

I've done business with Dyn, Inc., before, and found them cluefull and willing to help. I know some of the people who work there, and they are not complete shit heads.

Sorry about your situation. Another reason to hate the DMCA, I think.

Who is being disingenuous? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38406236)

It seems like the router manufacturers, who have essentially been free-riding on dyndns' service as a selling point for their routers.

It is hard to understand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38406616)

When they put the body in the subject and capitalise the rest.

timothy ... (5, Funny)

Udo Schmitz (738216) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406246)

You actually read the submission and checked the facts, possibly avoiding a flame fest. This is totally unacceptable and goes against everything /. stands for.

Re:timothy ... (4, Funny)

Artifex (18308) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406472)

You actually read the submission and checked the facts, possibly avoiding a flame fest. This is totally unacceptable and goes against everything /. stands for.

"You cannot go against nature, for if you do
go against nature, that's part of nature too!"

Timothy's one of the few editors left from the old days; don't scare him off.

Re:timothy ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38406628)

Timothy is just as much a fudster as all the other supposed "editors". Someone must have been posting under his account since this doesn't match his usual behavior.

I'm using no-ip.com (1)

Dwedit (232252) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406248)

I'm using no-ip.com for my dynamic DNS needs. How do they compare against the others?

Re:I'm using no-ip.com (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38406540)

Don't know how they compare, but I've been happy with them for 3 years now. I only had one incident recently where they termed my entry due to inactivity but I had updated it about a week before and they sent no notice. I found it late on a Saturday, sent an email, and it was fixed by the time I woke up on Sunday.

I went with them because some of their domains were (are still?) accessible from the DoD networks when I did some contracting where DynDNS domains were blocked.

Days of old (1)

UberJugend (2519392) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406256)

ml.org :(

no-ip.com (3)

Cyko_01 (1092499) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406260)

I have been using no-ip for years without any problems. It is supported on several brand s of routers and in case it isn't there is an update client (also free) that you can run on windows/mac/linux/BSD/unix that will keep your monitor your (external) IP address for changes and updates the dns records at no-ip.

This is news? (4, Informative)

mark-t (151149) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406264)

This policy change is many months old, maybe even over a year.

When I saw the article, I thought that maybe there were even more changes, but I saw nothing new that I did not know since at least the first quarter of this year. I'd have to go rifle through my email archive to know for sure exactly when I first heard about this change.

I was notified 27 Aug 2010 (4, Informative)

DragonHawk (21256) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406408)

Agreed -- this is old news. I got my notice about this change on 27 Aug 2010 -- about a year and a half ago. Submitter has been asleep at the switch.

Given that they're still giving me free stuff, just not quite as much free stuff, I didn't really feel all that upset about it. :)

Here's most of the text of the notice:

From: "DynDNS Support"
To: dragonhawk@
Subject: Changes to NEW DynDNS.com Accounts
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:39:14 -0300
Reply-To: support@dyndns.com
Return-Path: marketer@bouncelabs.com

What changes are you talking about?

Previously we allowed each Dynamic DNS account to have 5 free hostnames and you could select them from 88 different domains that we own. Now this will be limited to 2 free hostnames from 18 DynDNS branded domains.

Also, we are increasing the number of hostnames that come with a DynDNS Pro upgrade. Previously, each DynDNS Pro upgrade gave you the ability to add 25 additional hostnames. We are increasing that number to 30.

Why are you making these changes?

There are a number of reasons that we thought it was important to make these changes now.

Having 88 free domains to choose from was overwhelming for many of our new users. By reducing this to 18 it makes it easier for people to get started.
By limiting the free options to the DynDNS branded domains, it helps grow the awareness of our services. Although we are happy to offer our free services, we simply ask that you help spread the word to other people who might find our paid services helpful. We have to pay those bills somehow.
Looking at the stats of our users over the past 12 years, we see that the vast majority of people only use 1 free hostname. Our support team has seen a lot of confusion caused by the five free hostnames, so when you combine that with the normal use case, it just made sense. We are allowing the 2nd hostname for those who need to create a WebHop to access your hostname. If you are going to need more than 1 or 2 hostnames there's a good chance you are using us for something important. If that's the case, we simply ask that you pay $15/yr for the DynDNS Pro upgrade, which provides a number of other benefits.
If you are using our services for business critical needs, you should consider our Custom DNS service.
What will happen to my current account and hostnames?

Nothing, as long as you keep your hostnames active and up-to-date. If you allow your account or hostnames to expire, you will have to select from the new domains instead and will be limited to the 2 free hostnames. To ensure you arenâ(TM)t affected by these changes, upgrade to DynDNS Pro for just $15/yr. Again, there are a number of other benefits to upgrading.

You're just trying to force us to pay you, aren't you?

No, not really. As long as you keep your account active, you won't be affected by these changes. We would never want to have a user feel like they were forced to use our services. This does not seem to be a very good business model to us. You do your part (log into your account or update your hostname monthly) and we will do ours (continue to offer free Dynamic DNS services to you).

Wayback machine (2)

joshuac (53492) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406296)

amusing to see how http://dyndns.org/ [dyndns.org] has changed over the years; in 1999 complaining on the front page about the programmer leaving and taking all his code with him to a completely anonymous, plasticky "professional" look in 2011 and all the slow changes in between,

Re:Wayback machine (1)

whitelabrat (469237) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406332)

No doubt. I recall when they were begging for any surplus equipment folks could donate to keep them running. I tossed them a few bucks just to help get them going. The freetards can complain, but I still think they're awesome. Just registered two domains with them.

Re:Wayback machine (2)

Elrond, Duke of URL (2657) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406514)

Agreed. Way back in their broke and begging days I donated something like $20 or $30 to them. At the time they were one of the only dynamic DNS services and it worked just fine, even then.

Later, when they began offering additional commercial options, I found that my initial free account had been upgraded to a lifetime pro account (it's labeled Dynamic DNS Pro - Permanent) because I had been generous to them in those early times. It's stayed that way, too, ever since 2002. I don't get all of the commercial offerings, but I do get access to tech support and all of the available domain name choices (of which there are vastly more than when I initially made my account).

That move was enough to keep me around all this time and if I am in the need of commercial DNS services, they'll be the first place I check.

Re:Wayback machine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38406814)

Yeah, I have on of those permanent accounts, that I had nearly forgot about. I used to host game servers and sftp, but lately I have not used it for anything. This at announcement at least reminded me to log in and update the email address. :)

Old News!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38406342)

This "news" is "old".

DynDNS has been "adjusting" what they provide for free for a few years now.

Have they changed the 'rules' or something? (1)

AbRASiON (589899) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406344)

I own a German ADSL modem from a company called AVM, the Fritzbox 7390. (Don't buy one) for some reason, intermittantly it's not logging correctly into the DynDNS account all the time. I have had to re-activate my account at least twice now with DynDNS due to lack of activity. (even though I use the actual domain name daily)

I'm not sure if they want me to log in via the web instead, or the modem is going screwy, or what but it's concerning me as I too, like a few others here have had these names for a heck of a long time.
FWIW My billion based ADSL modem offsite has also possibly had the same expiration problem in the last 12 months too (I can't quite recall) - definitely a concern.

Rules are the same, AFAIK (2)

DragonHawk (21256) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406558)

As far as I know, the rules are the same.

For the free hostname, you have to submit an update at least once every 30 days, even if your IP address hasn't changed. Otherwise, the free account will be deleted.

If you send updates *too often*, you'll get blocked for abuse. "Too often" isn't defined anywhere that I find easily, but more than once every several days or so is a good threshold to use. You'll get an email if this happens. Also, the "too often" limit only applies if your IP address hasn't actually changed -- legit updates get a different scale.

I update every 15 days, and have never had an issue.

Since you mention your model is having intermittent trouble anyway, it sounds like the problem is just crappy modem software. There's a lot of that out there. (LinkSys's DNS update client was broken for *years*, and they're one of the biggest SOHO router vendors.) I'd suggest disabling DNS update on your modem and using a known-good client on a PC behind your modem.

http://dyn.com/support/clients/ [dyn.com]

DynDNS Cuts Back Free DNS Options (1)

Oppiet30 (824816) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406350)

I thought it was cut back from 5 to 3 or something. I better go and check my dyndns settings.

Long time ago... (1)

Junta (36770) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406424)

Noticed when my router evidently had most user space apps crash for some reason and, among other things, my domain 'lapsed', and I couldn't get it back for free. Now this is particularly crummy as unlike a 'real' domain, you can't just take it to another provider (you only have a host record in their domain, you don't actually have a domain that can be transferred) because you are mad.

Re:Long time ago... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38406542)

That's terrible. You should demand a refund!

Crummy wanting to be paid for their work (0)

DragonHawk (21256) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406582)

Now this is particularly crummy as unlike a 'real' domain, you can't just take it to another provider ... because you are mad.

Yah, how *dare* they not let you take their property (a domain name they pay for) and use it for free?!?

Hey, BTW, I'm going to use a few dozen megabytes of storage on your hard drive, that's okay, right? Don't be crummy and say "no".

limited to 5? (1)

arbiter1 (1204146) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406564)

When has it been limited to 5, for last year or 2 its told me i only have a limit to use 2 on free account?

Can't see the issue (2)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406568)

Personally, I can't really find much of an issue here. Yes, 99% of routers might only have DynDNS as an option, but I'd also wager than about 95% of the routers out there don't use a dynamic DNS server anyways, and of those that do, very few care to setup more than 1 domain name. I doubt this change will affect very many users.

Too bad (1)

hymie! (95907) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406636)

I'm a very happy DynDNS customer paying for a small assortment of DynDNS services. But I probably wouldn't be if they hadn't started me off with a few free Dynamic DNS hostnames as a loss-leader.

roll own dynamic DNS, even with same router (4, Interesting)

Sipper (462582) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406668)

If you have a rented server somewhere running a DNS server, then the usual suggestion I make is to roll your own dynamic DNS. Before somone says "but my router only supports DyDNS", there are solutions that can allow you to update your own dynamic DNS anyway -- the main trick is getting your public IP address. If you also run your own web server, it's quite simple to create a web page like "whatismyip" in PHP:

(start PHP here)
echo $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'];
(stop PHP here)

And from there you can make a custom shell script that checks your public IP, compares it with what your DNS server has for the entry, and then update your DNS server if needed. This doesn't need to be done at the router -- it can be done through it if necessary. If you run Bind9, look at the 'nsupdate' utility -- and of particular note, it's possible to do this dynamic DNS update via TCP rather than UDP. That way you can guarantee that the update will get there. AFAIK all of the popular DNS servers have a way of doing dynamic DNS updates such that they don't have to be done right at the router.

It's more convenient to do this at the router, though, because the router is on all the time and desktops/laptops aren't. So if you really want to also run a custom router to do the job for you, you might like the Alix hardware such as this:

http://pcengines.ch/alix2d3.htm [pcengines.ch]

Debian runs nicely on the Alix hardware directly, using a kernel for a 486.

Nihilistic bullshit (0)

macraig (621737) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406722)

The router doesn't HAVE TO do the updating. What are you, new here? Pick a different free service like afraid.org, run an associated updating service or background app on a PC connected to the router, and shut your whiny yapper.

Stupid sky-is-falling nihilists.

Open Source Firmware to the Rescue (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38406726)

Worth a look: http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/What_is_DD-WRT%3F

Open source router firmware provides support for a number of dynamic dns providers. Including: DynDNS, easyDNS, FreeDNS, No-IP, TZO, ZoneEdit, custom, and others

Not only that, but they killed EveryDNS (3, Insightful)

mysidia (191772) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406752)

They took over handling of the "EveryDNS" free service, with promises to continue the service.

But now they have forced all EveryDNS users who want to keep using the service to pay them to migrate.

And EveryDNS is gone.

Obviously the choice of DynDNS to be the ones to take over the service was a bit disingenuous, since, it was just a strategy to make more $$$ while pretending to be altruistic

They killed ath.cx for free users. (3, Interesting)

ahfoo (223186) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406790)

That was what pissed me off. But yeah, this is old news.

Hell I think dynamic DNS should be a basic function of the net. That's how it was supposed to go. What is this Facebook shit. We're supposed to have our own servers. Indeed, back in the day it was actually originally set up where you directly applied for a class C IP range. That was a perfectly reasonable premise. It's interesting how far we've gotten away from that rather simple concept.

hadn't noticed (3, Interesting)

bored_engineer (951004) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406842)

huh. I've been paying for DNS registration and a dynamic account through them for so long that I hadn't noticed the change. The only annoyance that had any affect on me was when I changed from a static to dynamic DNS with one of my three ISPs. Right now, my wife (plus two kids) and I live in two different locales. I recently switched her ISP to a faster service, but have to overlap the service while she updates e-mail addresses with her various e-mail accounts. I had trouble when I wanted the former static address to update dynamically, but once I understood that this (with the paid service) happened on the client side, I was a happy camper. I would have been happy sooner if they gave explicit instruction for this, but it all worked out for me in the end.

about 3 months late there. (0)

davidork (1107523) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406886)

This is OLD news. They're not shutting off the free service, just limiting it, and if you were already a free customer it doesn't affect you.

Disingenuous? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38406948)

Most manufacturers offer DynDNS as their only option. Removing the free service for non-commercial folks seems disingenuous when they are the only option for many users."

What's disingenuous is making a profit off of products that leverage free services without putting anything back in. Router manufacturers should be giving dynamic DNS providers a cut of what they make to help keep the service going. Include a coupon for a free subscription (a month, six months, a year, whatever) to the premium service as an incentive to the buyer.

This happened a while ago (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38407028)

Where they took away ath.cx (which I was using). Now one has to use a dyndns branded thing unless they want to have to pay up.

"It makes it easier for users" No. It doesn't. Users want shorter domain names (like ath.cx), not long domain names (like dyndns-music.com)

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