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Google Rolls Out Official Android 4.0 ICS Update

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the it's-melting-everywhere dept.

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dell623 writes "Google is rolling out an OTA upgrade to Ice Cream Sandwich for the Nexus S. GSM versions can already be updated manually. An early review is largely positive and comments on the significant visual and performance improvements. The Nexus S upgrade allows for a direct comparison against Gingerbread on the same hardware, and the likely improvement in current phones that will receive the upgrade."

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Android performance (0, Offtopic)

bonch (38532) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406920)

With the death of the Android Update Alliance [pcmag.com] that promised timely updates for Android devices, it'll probably be a while before other phones even have a hope of seeing this update. This is going to be yet another major Android version out in the wild. Collectively, Android is more like a collection of related but not entirely compatible operating systems, and it's frustrating (particularly for developers) that there isn't a consistent version of the operating system on current phones.

Despite improvements, ICS isn't quite as smooth and responsive as iOS was four years ago on the first iPhone, and it's really becoming quite an annoyance that Google hasn't yet solved this. Much of the reason has to do with the technical foundations Android was based on, rooted in an time when the Blackberry was the most popular smartphone, and Android was expected to drive phones with keyboard input. In that scenario, interface responsiveness wash't as high a priority.

Android was started in 2003 development, while iOS was started in 2005, and before the iPhone came out, the Android emulator looked like this [imgur.com] . It wasn't until Apple's little announcement in 2007 that Android suddenly needed to compete on real-time performance, including smooth, touch-based scrolling. iOS is based entirely on Core Animation, with every interface element backed by a GPU-accelerated layer. Android has been CPU-driven, adding bits and pieces of hardware acceleration but not adopting the kind of unified model iOS was based on.

I don't really know why Android's performance hasn't been brought up to par, or why it's taken four years for it to reach the point that ICS has reached. I suspect the requirement to remain generalized and adaptable across multiple hardware devices means many of the design decisions that Apple went with for iOS simply can't be utilized, at least not to the same degree.

By the way, I'm amused at how negative the review is toward previous Android releases, particularly in terms of performance and interface responsiveness, since any time someone brought these common performance criticisms up on Slashdot, they'd always immediately get modded down and their karma ruined:

"Surprisingly, Google never got Gingerbread working smoothly on the Nexus S, and running the stock version of 2.3.6 was a painful experience."

"The old assumption that even a dual core Android phone is not as smooth as a single core iPhone doesn’t apply any more. Apple users will probably still notice some missed frames in animations or small amounts of lag when things are being loaded in the background, but this is no longer a serious usability issue, more a cosmetic one."

"The OS looks much much slicker overall even on the relatively old Nexus S, compared to the cartoonish primitive look of stock Gingerbread."

"The browser gets a much needed overhaul as the stock 2.3 browser was slow and laggy. It is now much faster, smoother to use, and generally stays out of the way like a good browser should."

"To conclude, with no definite date for ICS upgrades for other phones, the Nexus S is a great buy. It is a great example of the importance of software over hardware in a phone, a lesson well learnt from Apple."

Re:Android performance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38406942)

There's some way to mod down an user? Mark it as a spammer or something?

I'm sick of getting this garbage posted and reposted again!

(and yes, I posted it as AC , as complaining about garbage is garbage itself...)

Re:Android performance (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38406950)

The truth has a decidedly anti-Android bias.

Re:Android performance (-1, Offtopic)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 2 years ago | (#38406974)

The truth is dead, long live the truth!

Re:Android performance (4, Informative)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407190)

The free market has a decidedly pro-Android bias. Android is now on more than half of smartphones - not because it's the only option but because people chose it, voting with their own money.

Maybe that's because it's better.

Re:Android performance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38407246)

s/Android/Windows/g

Re:Android performance (3, Insightful)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407276)

Windows is a great analogy in this case.

Windows beat Mac OS because it was more open and it created a giant ecosystem of companies creating cool products for it.

Android beat iOS because it was really, really more open and it created a giant ecosystem of companies creating cool products for it.

The great part is that Microsoft didn't learn from their past successes and they're following the Apple model in an attempt to beat back Android.

Re:Android performance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38407296)

But is it better?

Personally I'm not looking forward to a world dominated by Android.

Re:Android performance (0)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407328)

By definition, yes.

It's survival of the fittest and Android is fittest.

Re:Android performance (1)

danbob999 (2490674) | more than 2 years ago | (#38409362)

The only thing worse than a world dominated by Android would be a world dominated by iOS. A single vendor controlling all the market from hardware to software, and making 30% of all mobile apps sold in the world, without any way to avoid that fee (jailbreak doesn't count). Every thing would be vendor-locked to death.

No thanks.

Re:Android performance (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38407364)

I'm not sure your analogy works the way you stated it. The original MacOS died a well-deserved but slow death because it was closed, but not in that it was closed to software products: rather, because Windows was more open to hardware, while MacOS was restricted to Apple hardware. OSX is still tied to Apple hardware (the small Hackintosh community excepted), but its ecosystem has grown dramatically on the software side. Plus, Apple ships a developer kit and IDE with every copy of the OS (now available on the AppStore for free), which is a strong check on the openness side.

Microsoft's failure to gain a strong footing in the mobile arena against Apple and Android is more of a marketing failure than anything else. MS is haunted by the ghosts of CE and Zune, and they just don't have the consumer confidence that Apple has by the bushel. Android's relative success in the market is all the more remarkable for not having the marketing team that Apple enjoys. MS is going to have to learn how to sell themselves and differentiate themselves from the rest of the market with some nifty tricks if they're ever going to gain traction. Windows 8 and Metro are big parts of that strategy, and a lot is riding on the popular acceptance of Metro: if it tanks, so do MS's hopes of getting into the tablet/phone market big-time this decade.

That the market is different also points to a MS weakness: they grew partly because of openness to (and shady deals with) hardware vendors, but also because of the consequence of that hardware support: they were *the* business platform in the 90's. You had a PC at work, you had Word (or WordPerfect or Lotus AmiPro/WordPro) at work, you had grown used to thing being a certain way at work, so you got all that at home too. Phones and tablets are different, and Apple got the first-to-market advantage of being able to set the tone for what tablets and smartphones should feel like. Android hasn't beaten iOS yet, although they've certainly established themselves as a fierce competitor. MS is coming to the game without experience in the arena, with a corporate culture that's geared towards making business products (and failing on the domestic/personal side -- Works, Bob, etc.). The tablet and smartphone market isn't a business market; businesses use them on the side, but their main computing needs are still the laptop and desktop. MS may be overextending itself with respect to its own culture by trying to get into the mobile field.

In the end, it'll come down to consumer perceptions. MS has shown time and time again that its marketing team isn't up to the task of making a household name for itself: the place it held/holds in domestic computing was a side benefit of its dominance in the corporate world and a lack of competition. Apple's marketing has eroded that considerably, at least on the laptop side (How many MacBooks do you see in every coffee shop and classroom?), while not really even trying to dent the corporate market (OD/AD support is second-rate, as are many of the necessities of managing an enterprise installation base, and their office products like Pages are very much geared to the individual consumer rather than the corporate, although Keynote kicks everyone's ass). MS would be wise to refocus on the desktop market (it's not going away soon), try to recapture some of Apple's gains in the laptop market, and leave iOS and Android to duke it out over the market they already dominate. Oh, and fire their entire fucking marketing department twice over and then try to lure in some of Apple's UI designers.

Re:Android performance (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38408250)

Apple has already been beaten in popularity for one simple reason. They won't do what it takes to win (marketsharewise). They just want to win the dollar battle, and they probably will continue to do so for a long, long time.

If they wanted to win, they'd kick over the walled garden and give manufacturers easy ability to create custom phones with iOS. Then they'd have a shot and perhaps would win. But as long as they want a monolithic culture, they'll never be dominant again because there are too many reasons not to go with an iPhone (price, keyboard, customization, expandable storage, LTE, bigger screen, removable battery, aesthetics, and that's just scratching the surface). And I'm pretty sure they are ok with that because they are still making money hand over fist.

Re:Android performance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38408480)

The original MacOS died a well-deserved but slow death because it was closed

It was flat-lined by the late 90's; it just took a while for the corpse to decompose.

Re:Android performance (1)

swillden (191260) | more than 2 years ago | (#38409292)

The original MacOS died a well-deserved but slow death because it was closed, but not in that it was closed to software products: rather, because Windows was more open to hardware, while MacOS was restricted to Apple hardware.

Which is one of the ways in which Android is more open than iOS.

Re:Android performance (1)

Cl1mh4224rd (265427) | more than 2 years ago | (#38410446)

Android's relative success in the market is all the more remarkable for not having the marketing team that Apple enjoys.

I doubt the iOS team is responsible for the successful marketing of the iPhone. Also, are you referring to marketing to the handset vendors, or marketing to the public? If the former, I seriously doubt Google sat on their ass and just let vendors stumble upon Android. I suspect you mean the latter, though, since Apple doesn't have to sell iOS to itself. Again, Google isn't exactly a slouch in the marketing arena.

Re:Android performance - Windows won why? (5, Interesting)

DougReed (102865) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407716)

I call B.S. on Windows being any useful comparison at all. That is a complete historical rewrite. When Windows won, there was no Windows and there was no Mac OS - in the same sense there is today. Windows won over Mac OS because Bill Gates is a marketing genius and Steve Jobs had not yet learned that skill. Steve Jobs was still a hippie, and Windows was DOS. At the time when the choice was being made, Neither Mac OS nor "Windows" (Which was little more than a vaporware App for DOS) was the best of breed. Best of breed at the time was the Commodore Amiga. 32 bit multi-tasking, 4096 colors, NTSC (PAL in Europe) video output, quadrophonic Sound (with stereo outputs), and real-time animation against DOS's 'beep' and 16 colors 'Ascii Art' and Mac OS's 64 shades of grey and monophonic MIDI 'sounds'. The best software of the day was being written for it. Electronic Arts was born and started selling games. Disney Animator begat "Who Framed Roger Rabbit", and "Max Headroom" (who was messed up on purpose to emphasize the fact that he was computer generated) and nobody had anything to compare with that. The business world did not really use these things yet. A few forward looking business gave them to secretaries, but there were Macintoshes and PC's both at this time. High end business (like law offices) tended to use Apple because it supported Postscript, and good looking printed output was possible, and low end businesses tended towards PC's running DOS because they were cheaper, and descent printed out was achieved with daisy wheel printers because laser printers needed Postscript, and DOS didn't support it (plus the laser printer cost more than the PC did). Bill Gates was able to manipulate the market to his advantage and nobody else saw it coming until it was too late. To his advantage was indeed an open hardware spec, but none of the companies involved at the time made anything to really compete with the Amiga. Adding peripherals to even try was very expensive, and nobody really tried very hard. Commodore lost by refusing to sell their machines through the toy stores for fear they would not be taken seriously where the Commodore 64 had a virtual lock on the market at the time (The Commodore 64 still holds the record for outselling any single model of computer ever), and insisting on SELLING their demo units to computer retailers, which were all independents at the time and refused to pay for them. So customers had a photograph of a better system in a corner of the store (Amiga), a better, but more expensive, piece of hardware with little software to take advantage of it (Apple), and cheaper hardware with little software to take advantage of it (DOS). "Windows" was useless at this point. There was also Atari, but they were somewhere between Apple and Commodore, and got squeezed out by being a bit too expensive with not quite enough hardware goodies to attract attention. If Commodore had had any marketing sense at all they could have killed everyone at this point, but they missed the boat. Then Apple kicked Steve Jobs out and replaced him with John Scully who made a complete mess of the company, and started losing market share faster than Nokia in the phone market. Steve finally woke up from his LSD infested dream and realized he screwed up. Steve Jobs created NeXT and wrote what is essentially the Mac OS of today, and got Apple back when it was almost completely bankrupt. By this time, Bill Gates had done some very underhanded, illegal, and anti-competitive things in the marketplace, mostly fixed Windows to look like a useful GUI OS, bought the components for Office (all of which were Mac based!), released Mac Office to generate interest in the business world that computers could actually be useful after all, and started porting Office to Windows. Steve Jobs came back to a marketplace John Scully had already lost. Microsoft owned the OS, and was able to write little bugs into Windows to break or slow down things like DR-DOS, Word Perfect, and Lotus 123... and add hooks to their advantage for Office. They finally finished Office, dropped Office on the Mac and checkmate!

Android has not really 'beaten' iOS. It is on more physical devices, but iPhone is still considered the Mercedes and the Android is considered a Ford in the marketplace. Android is on more devices because it is indeed open source, and companies who want a piece of this lucrative market MUST use Android because Apple owns iOS. I have an Android and my wife has an iPhone. The iPhone is more integrated and more consistent, but I wanted 4G and Google Navigator. Still today, it is iPhone, not Android that is eating Blackberry's lunch, because IT Departments are "officially"supporting the iPhone because the CEO bought one. Android is making inroads in the corporate world, but there is no victory to be claimed here.

Re:Android performance - Windows won why? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38407854)

Haha Mercedes thinks things through way better than Apple on the "device" side not in marketing per se as Apple knowingly sells non top of the line stuff where as Mercedes is so far ahead with tech and features it can be a little overwhelming. I give Apple the Maserati badge as it does look good but it isn't the best eg. has clunky phone interface, no 4G (akin to not hitting 200Mph?), features at the same price level on other phones not there, not to mention antenna gate (breakdowns?).

Re:Android performance - Windows won why? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38409194)

Paragraphs.

Re:Android performance - Windows won why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38413088)

Um - Max Headroom was not animated:

"although the computer generated appearance was achieved with prosthetic make up as the computer technology of the time was not sufficiently advanced to achieve the desired effect. Preparing the look for filming involved a four-and-a-half hour session in make up which Matt Frewer described as "a very painful, tortuous and disgusting enterprise.""
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Headroom_(character) [wikipedia.org]

Re:Android performance - Windows won why? (1)

mgblst (80109) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413736)

Whatever you say about Steve Jobs or Bill Gates, they new how to use paragraphs.

Re:Android performance - Windows won why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38413966)

"Whatever you say about Steve Jobs or Bill Gates, they new how to use paragraphs."

You've got some nerve...

Re:Android performance (2, Insightful)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407282)

People don't choose Windows. They take it because it's the only thing offered. Microsoft has worked very hard the last two decades to ensure that desktops aren't offered without Windows, and Windows is the only thing offered. In the most recent case, netbooks, they achieved this goal by killing the market for netbooks. Linux netbooks launched the category, and Windows 7 killed it. Microsoft has worked hard to prevent choice, and that's working against them now because people like to choose. It makes them enjoy the fantasy that they have some control over their course.

Now we're going mobile and Microsoft isn't coming with us because they forgot to let us pretend we get to choose.

Re:Android performance (2)

Patch86 (1465427) | more than 2 years ago | (#38408016)

People can choose desktops and laptops without Windows- they're called "Macs". Which was sort of the point of this thread. Like you, I lament that Linux boxes aren't widely available, and that Linux netbooks were killed in such a clinical fashion. But the lack of Linux boxes has nothing to do with Windows beating Apple, or Amiga, or Acorn, or anybody else...

Re:Android performance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38408628)

Not only that, but back in the timeframe GP is taking about, there was a lot of choice. Acorn, Amstrad, Apple, Atari, Be, Commodore, DEC, Fujitsu, NEC, Sharp, Sinclair and of course the open platform produced by numerous companies known as IBM compatible. There certainly was a choice.

Re:Android performance (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421992)

You're mistaking me for somebody who wasn't there then. What do all these things that failed have in common? As they died, what killed them? Was it Microsoft's ownership of the common platform and deprecation of them because of their lack of commitment to Microsoft's goals? Are you trying to remind people about the companies Microsoft has killed in the past to warn them off of doing something new? That would be bad. That would be prevention of progress. That would be veiled threats. And all of those companies that died had Microsoft agreements, and then got screwed in preference to others that were more malleable. They took the devil's deal you offer and lost their soul without their brief moment of joy anyway. And now their names are historical footnotes.

To win now you don't have to treat with the devil. There is an Open way.

Re:Android performance (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#38408900)

I disagree.

Linux died on the netbook because customers couldnt run word and anti virus apps ( geeks said they needed them right?) and games. Bestbuy cant make their comissions selling win32 software and customers couldnt find their blu E to their internet. They want Windows. Windows mobile will gain popularity as Metro gains apps

Infact the IPad didnt sell well at first because customers wanted Windows and feared no apps.

This is why MS won. Windows despite its flaws had the apps and the pc was always developer friendly. Believe it or not windoes mobile is the most open platform. You have root access. Android is second open

Re:Android performance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38409068)

Let me get this right.

Windows Mobile gives the applications root access? Or that it gives user root access? Why would an application developer need root access to the device? Do you even realize what that means?

Android engineering build has 'root' access, only the release 'user' build is locked.

iPad didn't sell well at first? That's the story? (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421044)

If you got one of the first iPad shipment you could double your money on eBay that day - especially if you offered international shipping. It took the world's finest supply chain 20 months to ramp to meet demand. It shocked even Apple. There were nearly riots. It set records for new products, and ran halfway through the second version of the product.

If that's not selling well at first, I wonder what a successful product launch in a new category is. What could you have to gain from voicing such a blatant lie? Nobody could possibly believe it.

Microsoft "won" on the netbook by killing the category. We had nice, snappy Linux netbooks because Linux is thin and light. Convert the vendors to XP, and then to W7, and then threaten them. It's hard to get a Linux netbook now, or one with XP because of "partner" deals to prevent Linux netbooks. And with W7 the experience is completely unsat, unless you drive up the BOM cost with more memory and GPU. And so the category dies because base utility + performance + low cost was what defined the category. What a "win" that is, to head off the competition and kill off the category out from under them without adding any value. Yay team. Way to prevent progress - for a while. Your team did the same thing with the "smartbook" category, that was looking promising.

You have no clue why we hate you, do you? It was this very thing that sparked the migration to mobile that you can't stop. Your flopping about in the mobile category is quite entertaining.

People don't want Windows. People haven't wanted Windows since Windows 95, when it was cool. Microsoft tries very hard to make sure people don't get a choice for anything but Windows. People want to do stuff, and for that neither Windows nor Office is required - as some 50 million iPad users, as many Mac users, hundreds of millions of Android phone and tablet users are discovering. Office is neat, but office apps have been a solved problem for 20 years.

We're going mobile, and Microsoft isn't coming with us. W8 isn't going to win mobile, it's going to kill Microsoft's place on the desktop.

Here's what W8 is going to do:

  1. Kill the 30 year marriage with Intel. Founded on screwing IBM it was bound to end eventually. The ARM thing was only the last straw - your lame driver support and slow evolution was already driving them away.
  2. Kill OEM relationships. Wait 'till the OEMs find out how much of a leg up Nokia has got. They're going to hop off to save themselves.
  3. Kill ISV relationships. What's this Windows App store stuff? ISVs were starting to get wise to the whole "private API" thing anyway.
  4. Kill retail relationships. What's this Windows App store stuff? You cutting us out of the loop now?
  5. Kill VAR relationships. "What, we can't even initiate the software relationship and get the residuals now?"
  6. Kill enterprise customer relationships. Breaks application compatibility again. WTF? If we've got to migrate again already, it's time to get off the train to crazytown.

And of course the relationship with the consumer market is already dead. iPhones, iPads, Android phones and tabs don't need antivirus - and the implicit performance and battery hit those things imply.

Re:Android performance (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 2 years ago | (#38409220)

I chose windows when I built my system. I use it to play games and surf the web, works great. Win7 is actually pretty great and doesn't really get in the way. I switched back from 10.4 to Win7, and was dual booting linux for a while. Mostly I don't see any need to lock myself out of 60-80% of the software market. Win7 has utilities you can install to get great unix type support these days. It's not perfect, but for the home user I can't really complain. The OS landscape has changed a lot since 2005 and as time goes by, these windows complaints sound more and more dated. While Linux and Apple had better offerings five, 10 years ago, they're about all on par and nobody is really at a disadvantage anymore. In five more years the only way you'll be able to tell Windows from Apple from Linux will be what logo pops up at boot before being dumped to the desktop.

Re:Android performance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38409254)

Yeah Microsoft should have worked harder to offer their competitor's products to consumers instead of their own.

Re:Android performance (1)

Sj0 (472011) | more than 2 years ago | (#38428150)

The practices they used were faulty. That's why they were successfully charged in court for anti-competitive practices.

Thankfully, their product improved since they were convicted.

Re:Android performance (1)

hairyfish (1653411) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413568)

Now we're going mobile and Microsoft isn't coming with us because they forgot to let us pretend we get to choose.

Unlike say Apple eh?

Re:Android performance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38408018)

Voting with their own money usually comes down to what's cheaper, not better.

Re:Android performance (1)

Sj0 (472011) | more than 2 years ago | (#38428162)

If that were the sole case, then smart phones wouldn't be on the radar. qwerty phones are way cheaper than smart phones.

Re:Android performance (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38408128)

I'm an Android fan, and even I can counter that. Maybe that's because it's often cheaper? Or that there are more and different options with Android?

People vote with their money, but not everyone votes for quality.

Re:Android performance (1)

rtaylor (70602) | more than 2 years ago | (#38408472)

The high-end Androids have sold fairly well over the last year too.

Re:Android performance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38408344)

The free market has a decidedly pro-Android bias. Android is now on more than half of smartphones - not because it's the only option but because people chose it, voting with their own money.

Maybe that's because it's better.

And yet Apple gets over 50% of the mobile revenue share, even though Android-based devices may have more market share. The remaining revenues are spread over a number of companies.

If I was running a company for a profit I know which I'd prefer (units vs. revenue).

Apple is playing a different game: market share in and of itself is useless if you're not making money off of it. Just ask Dell.

Re:Android performance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38408822)

Yes, but more companies are making more money overall with Android. If you have 10 AT&T customers, 4 with iPhones and 6 with Android phones, they're all paying about the same for mobile service but AT&T makes more money off of the Android customers simply because there are more of them. Apple's platform is built around quick gain hoarding mentality while Android is suited for a "share the wealth" scenario.

Re:Android performance (1)

mgblst (80109) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413624)

Maybe it is, maybe it is cheap and everyone is using it. You know most devices running Android are not made by Samsung or Motorola, but by no name companies you have never heard of. Just as people weren't chosing S60, they were chosing a Nokia Phone, a lot of people are not choosing Android.

Android is a great OS (better than the old ones, not as good as iOS IMHO), and there are top of the range phones coming out now, that offer more features than Apple. It is popular at every level.

Re:Android performance (4, Funny)

drkstr1 (2072368) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407086)

I'm kind of new here, and I always thought these kind of comments are a little bit tin-foil-hatty (see, I'm already learning /.ese!). However, I think I am learning of my own niativity, as it seems people really do spend their time (and possibly have a career out of?) spamming /. I especially like how this particular post has the exact same time stamp as the article. Is there some kind of troll bot for this kind of thing? If so, where can I buy one? It would be nice to have something that can auto-troll the trollers. :)

Re:Android performance (1)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413820)

There's really no need. When somebody makes a post like that, it's obviously a cut-and-paste by a religious advocate. Those sorts of posts actually work against the poster. Nobody takes bonch seriously because of stuff like this; it's self-correcting.

Re:Android performance (5, Insightful)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407026)

Despite improvements, ICS isn't quite as smooth and responsive as iOS was four years ago on the first iPhone, and it's really becoming quite an annoyance that Google hasn't yet solved this.

This is true, but I think it's interesting to look at it in context. Android phones usually have performance advantages over the current iPhone when it comes to things like loading web pages, but UI smoothness can be done on very little hardware if it's your OS design priority, and the iPhones have been designed with that in mind from the start. Looking even further in this direction, a single core first gen Windows Phone 7 has an even smoother UI than a much more powerful iPhone 4s - MS definitely focused on being iPhonelike this time around. That weaker hardware manifests itself in poorer computing performance, but the majority of what people do on their phones is swipe around different screens and run applications designed for the lowest common denominator hardware on its platform.

In my experience, OSX, Windows 7, and any flavor of Linux are somewhere between Android and iOS in their UI smoothness even when running on vastly more powerful hardware. Since we use those operating systems for content creation, though, we care about other types of responsiveness. I always disable smooth scrolling in a web browser, for instance, because it induces a slight delay. Scrolling is then jerky but instant. As mobile devices become more suited for content creation (and yes, I know that they're severely crippled for most non-consumption roles) I think we'll see users shift their priorities away from dropped UI frames and toward things like time to run a photo processing filter, which will largely favor the more powerful hardware.

That said, ICS looks pretty smooth to me.

Re:Android performance (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38407316)

Having just tried out ICS on a Huawei Ideos U8150, I can tell you it wasn't just laggy, but NOTICABLY laggy under default settings on my phone. Part of the problem, as I discovered is that most of the powersaving options are overly aggressive and UI response when ramped up to 250-600,mhz is fine, but since the phone spends most of it's time idle the initial 5-10 seconds where you switch it into 'operating mode' tends to make the most lag, especially given that on my phone as an example 60mhz is the ultra low power default operating mode. Given that ICS support on my phone was a work in progress and didn't add much of interest (Including missing some things like Camera support, radio support, etc.) over Gingerbread, I just updated to the latest 2.3.7 and called it a day.

Re:Android performance (1)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407382)

Can you let me know where you got the ICS ROM for the Huawei? I'd like to try that one myself.

Re:Android performance (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38408928)

I'm not the same AC, but I found this [xda-developers.com] with a cursory Googling. I'm not surprised it's laggy because that ROM has no hardware acceleration, probably because the phone itself can't do it. The U8150, for example, is only using a 500MHz ARM11 CPU, 256MB RAM and doesn't have a GPU. Huawei phones, in general, are complete garbage.

Re:Android performance (0)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 2 years ago | (#38422100)

Yeah, no doubt if it was good on the Ideos, it'd be good on anything. Having said that, ICS was noticably more responsive than Froyo or Gingerbread on my Ainol Novo 7 Advanced (the only tablet I have that'll run it), so I was hoping it'd be ok on the Huawei.

I did try the linked ROM, and it's definitely nort ready for prime-time...

Re:Android performance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38408284)

Havent noticed much lag using TeamHacksungs build 9 of Cyanogenmod 9 (ice cream sandwich... only viable option for my galaxy s right now)

The only time is if i rotate the screen while closing an app, the rotating animation kind of pauses half way for a second

Of course the auto correct lags, but hey its not an offical, supported release but one made by a group of hackers, so i expect this type behavior. Its just awesome theyve got it this far in this short amount of time.

Ive also read changing the scheduler helps (even without over clocking), which i know held true for me with CyanogenMod 7 with the Glitch kernel installed

Re:Android performance (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38407042)

One doesn't have to be a CS graduate to see this. I wonder if its because of the Dalvik VM overhead that an Android phone needs two cores to even be in the same league as an iPhone.

Then you get to apps and what scrolls smoothly and what doesn't.

Finally, there is enterprise support. Exchange support? Encryption of internal memory and SD card? Hello there? Without either of these features (iOS and WMP support encryption and Exchange mailboxes seamlessly), Android is destined for the sidelines of the phone business like the Sidekick.

Re:Android performance (4, Informative)

Suddenly_Dead (656421) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407076)

Android has Exchange support. Honeycomb added full device encryption, and ICS carries it over. It's right in the changelist [android.com] .

Re:Android performance (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 2 years ago | (#38419696)

Honeycomb added full device encryption

That's what the release notes say, but I'm pretty sure it's just internal encryption. For some reason sdcard isn't encrypted. I don't get why but some people were still looking to get LUKS working for sdcard.

Re:Android performance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38424928)

Well, it's still "full device" so long as you take the SD card out, so they're not exactly lying.

Re:Android performance (4, Insightful)

peppepz (1311345) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407090)

You're making an unfair comparison. The first iPhone wasn't even a smartphone in the sense that it wouldn't allow third party applications to be installed - of course its performance were guaranteed, when all the software it ran was perfectly calibrated to run on that specific device by its manufacturer. Install more recent iOS versions on older iDevices, or run applications intended for different screen sizes, and voila lags and sub-optimal adaptation.

Re:Android performance (2)

bashibazouk (582054) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407144)

At launch, no. A year later, yes. Having just upgraded my original first gen iphone, it did quite well with modern apps as long as you stayed away from games with 3D graphics.

Re:Android performance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38407170)

Despite improvements, ICS isn't quite as smooth and responsive as iOS was four years ago on the first iPhone,

Isn't this because Android is a true multi tasking OS, and iOS prioritises the UI as soon as you touch the screen?

Re:Android performance (0)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407226)

Oh my, that's a lovely frist psot, and no doubt you spent a lot of time preparing it, savoring the moment you could paste it.

Let me just short circuit all of your arguments: we really don't give a damn who did what to whom. We just want to video chat with grandma, and the first one to put that ability in our pocket wins. We want progress and we really don't care who brings it. Give with the progress and we honestly don't give a [darn] who you stole it from as long as we get it.

Re:Android performance (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38407432)

You know how I definitely know that you're a troll now?

Even forgetting all your comments in other stories - which are always about "Apple good, Google bad" - I don't think I've ever seen you post on any other topic - one easy way to spot a shill is to look for a first post that's longer than three paragraphs.

Re:Android performance (1)

iinlane (948356) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407752)

Despite improvements, ICS isn't quite as smooth and responsive as iOS was four years ago on the first iPhone, and it's really becoming quite an annoyance that Google hasn't yet solved this.

Both iOS and Windows Phone 7 use retained mode graphics, while android uses immediate mode graphics. Difference is that in android cpu has to redraw everything on screen when something changes while competitors load everything to GPU which will then redraw the screen. Android developers brag about android being hardware accelerated but it still uses the old model - even tho line command is hardware accelerated the cpu still has to make this line command.

Re:Android performance (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38408188)

Android uses the same aproach since 3.0. See http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/graphics/hardware-accel.html#hardware-model , Hardware accelerated rendering model. CPU just makes display lists and pushes them to the GPU. Processor is not involved in the rendering once the display list are on the GPU (if the GPU supports it).

Re:Android performance (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38408902)

Why is Android more popular than the iPhone? Three reasons:
1. It's the "Not Apple" solution for people who can't stand the Steve Jobs hype/reality distortion field.
2. The phones are a better value without the "Apple" branding premium.
3. Control. The iPhone is completely controlled by Apple. That can have a good impact on usability, but prevents me from programming my phone to act as a rouge wifi hotspot stealing people's vacation photos. So long as Apple has a "walled-garden" app store, the Android Market WILL grow faster. This means that Android is guaranteed to have more and more app diversity as time goes on.

I'm not going to develop apps for a platform so that I can present them to a dictator to see if they meet his approval. That uncertainty on ROI wrapped around valuable investments of programming time and development resources is unacceptable to me.

The users want the device that developers are writing applications for. That means they choose the device that "I"(collective app developer I) choose to develop for.

Re:Android performance (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38409602)

Why isn't a low life POS troll like this banned from this site? What a pathetic life this worm must have to be so infatuated with putting down Android every opportunity he gets. What a waste.

Re:Android performance (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38409716)

I know you were modded down but I just want to say: Fuck the arrogant hypocrites from the Android team and fuck Andy Rubin too!

--
Another asshole [mailto] joins Google.

Re:Android performance (-1, Troll)

Galestar (1473827) | more than 2 years ago | (#38410134)

Oh how I wish I had mod points to put you into oblivion. You consistently post the most ignorant comments. Anyone that's been reading slashdot for more than a week knows you are just some Apple fanboi that's butthurt because Android is winning and your shiny little toy isn't doing so well anymore.

Re:Android performance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38416554)

Ah bonch, you stupid little piece of shit. Spreading your little shit like it's a job for you. Fuck are you ever pathetic.

Sweet (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38407048)

And thanks to rogers, I just recieved my 2.3.4 update for my xperia arc today!
Now only about 6 months till they start possibly thinking about giving me the update!

Re:Sweet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38407172)

Boo hoo. My HTC Desire was the newest and most powerful Android phone sold by Telus when I bought it 14 months ago, and to this day they have made only Android 2.2 available for it. Thank heaven for cyanogen.

running it (5, Interesting)

mojo-raisin (223411) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407138)

I installed it on my Nexus S several hours ago. I prefer the pure Google experience and don't like to mess with other ROMS, and it was quite an easy install.

ICS is much better than GB. Smoother scrolling, more polished and true multitasking. Music stays running even when paused, and Navigation stays in the background much better... still exploring, but this is everything I wanted from my Nexus S.

Re:running it (1)

narialmy (2431730) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407236)

is there any changing in Android Ice Cream Sandwich with Gingerbread ?

Re:running it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38407380)

is there any changing in Android Ice Cream Sandwich with Gingerbread ?

What does that mean? Can you rephrase it?

Re:running it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38407526)

does it come with banana fruit pie with caramel?
(I think that's dessert for: Do you know Belgian Ice Cream ChangeLog?)

Re:running it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38413808)

May I mambo dogface on the banana patch?

Re:running it (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407678)

Huh?

Re:running it (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407448)

One thing I kinda wondered about - how do they deal with buttons on old Android phones? On Galaxy Nexus, they show [wikimedia.org] buttons for Back, Home, and task switcher at the bottom of the screens, but those aren't dedicated - they're actually painted on the main screen. On Nexus S, do they just use its hardware buttons, and don't paint anything? If so, does this mean that you don't get a dedicated button to switch tasks?

Re:running it (3, Informative)

jayminer (692836) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407600)

Yesterday I got the update to my Nexus S and there are no painted buttons (which would have been unnecessary).

You're right, no dedicated switch process button. Long-press on home button works as usual to switch between processes.

Re:running it (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407612)

By "as usual", do you mean that it shows the old Android 2.x task switch UI (a dialog box with app icons)? Or the new ICS UI (app thumbnails scrollable up & down)?

Re:running it (3, Informative)

jayminer (692836) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407662)

The latter. It is the new Aero-like ICS UI switcher and is very smooth. I think it may be utilizing some kind of hardware acceleration which used to be missing in GB. The web browser is ultra-fast, like Opera and Galaxy S II's optimized browser.

By the way, if I'm not mistaken, face unlock is missing. Couldn't find it anywhere in the settings.

Re:running it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38408308)

The latter. It is the new Aero-like ICS UI switcher and is very smooth. I think it may be utilizing some kind of hardware acceleration which used to be missing in GB. The web browser is ultra-fast, like Opera and Galaxy S II's optimized browser.

By the way, if I'm not mistaken, face unlock is missing. Couldn't find it anywhere in the settings.

GB had no hardware acceleration really for the UI.

Honeycomb added the feature, and ICS has it also (but improved).

Re:running it (1)

rrossman2 (844318) | more than 2 years ago | (#38408310)

You can download the apk from xda-developers (i know its located here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1363593 [xda-developers.com]
scroll down in the first post and youll see the link.
I cant use it as the build 9 of cyanogenmod 9 has a distorted output from the front camera, which the face lock will keep bitching part of your face is missing

Re:running it (1)

jayminer (692836) | more than 2 years ago | (#38419206)

My phone is stock and non-rooted (too lazy to backup and wipe) so that link is a no-go.

Re:running it (1)

BertDH (2533980) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407918)

I just tried to install this. Download was ok, but the installation killed my phone. My phone is dead now, and i have no idea how to solve this.

Re:running it (1)

Galestar (1473827) | more than 2 years ago | (#38410860)

I just installed it 30 mins ago.
Not really a fan of all the blue instead of green. Anyone know a way to change that?

Re:running it (1)

cloudmaster (10662) | more than 2 years ago | (#38412728)

Did this or any previous update ever fix the Sprint reception problems that everyone talked about when the phone came out?

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Re:The cloak of style restoring ancient ways with (2)

The Askylist (2488908) | more than 2 years ago | (#38407542)

I do wish people would allow this spam to stay unmodded for a little longer - the language is just so amusing.

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has an inner poetry that is quite beguiling, even if some fool wants to sell a knock-off handbag on the back of it.

It's almost tempting to think that there is a very poorly made recursive transition network somewhere in China knocking this stuff out, but I fear it's just bad Chinglish.

Slow as hell!! (3, Informative)

legrimpeur (594896) | more than 2 years ago | (#38408124)

Installed since 30 min. Playing around, it's unbelievably unresponsive and slow...

but finally in 2011 I can move emails across folders...

cheers

Re:Slow as hell!! (3, Interesting)

rtaylor (70602) | more than 2 years ago | (#38408440)

The gmail application was very slow for me too until I purged all its data and resync'd from the server, now it's pretty reasonable.

Perhaps there was a storage format change and a poorly written compatibility shim in place.

Re:Slow as hell!! (2)

Galestar (1473827) | more than 2 years ago | (#38411076)

It was slow for me too immediately following the update. Its seems to have vastly improved since then, and is slightly faster than 2.3.6. Maybe it was running some background tasks related to the update.

Re:Slow as hell!! (1)

sremick (91371) | more than 2 years ago | (#38425940)

but finally in 2011 I can move emails across folders...

cheers

I've been doing this for ages on Android using K-9. Android is about choice... make use of it. ;)

Re:Slow as hell!! (1)

legrimpeur (594896) | more than 2 years ago | (#38432144)

but finally in 2011 I can move emails across folders...

cheers

I've been doing this for ages on Android using K-9. Android is about choice... make use of it. ;)

you like to hack, to spend time looking for an alternative email client that fits your needs and so on. I like to have something that is full-featured and works out of the box because I like to spend my time differently.

I don't think that something you pay that lacks features out of the box is about choice, it's just about lack of features

Re:Slow as hell!! (1)

sremick (91371) | more than 2 years ago | (#38434686)

you like to hack, to spend time looking for an alternative email client that fits your needs and so on. I like to have something that is full-featured and works out of the box because I like to spend my time differently.

I don't think that something you pay that lacks features out of the box is about choice, it's just about lack of features

Well, by your definition, every 12yo kid who installed AIM on his desktop computer is a "hacker". ;)

Look, I'm not saying that the stock client shouldn't be able to move messages between folders. I just don't get why if you have such an aversion to installing apps that you'd get a smartphone. My old dumbphone had 100 things that it didn't do right, or didn't do at all, and there wasn't a damn thing I could do about it. Part of the reason we all love our smartphones is because they give us the ability to install different, or better, apps in order to make them suit our needs.

I guess your comment about how you being concerned how your spend your time doesn't really mesh with your previous comment about lamenting for months/years that you couldn't do a specific task on your Android phone... when for the sake of a few seconds to download a free app and put in your email info in the same manner you did to set up the stock client, you could've had that exact functionality (and much, much more).

Wife got it first (1)

unenviabletask (827481) | more than 2 years ago | (#38411814)

And she had no idea what it meant. I bought us same phones last year and I'm still on 2.6. Gutted. Come on Google send me some love.

Why I left iOS for Android (0)

zerofoo (262795) | more than 2 years ago | (#38412838)

I don't care about openness, business models, or market share. What I do demand (and so do the users I support) is reliability and stability.

It's a phone - it needs to be reliable.

The users I support seem to have the same complaints about iOS - lots of stuff breaks every time Apple does a major upgrade.

Apple's forums are loaded with complaints of Bluetooth problems, call quality problems, battery life issues, and synchronization and content problems. It's been this way since iOS 3, and iOS 4, and iOS 5.

Eventually Apple gets around to fixing these things, but I've grown tired of the 2-3 months after EVERY release where Apple puts their fingers in their ears and sings "La, La, La, La, La" - there are no problems.

Apple really needs to fire the entire iOS QA/testing department and start over. Those guys are not doing their jobs.

Meanwhile my droid razr is quite nice - "it just works".

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