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156 comments

Misleading title... (0)

DangerOnTheRanger (2373156) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413230)

is misleading.

First Post (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38413324)

adds nothing to conversation.

Re:First Post (0, Flamebait)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413728)

It adds more to the conversation that using buzzwords like "hacktivist".

Re:First Post (0)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413848)

*that=than

Re:First Post (4, Insightful)

tqk (413719) | more than 2 years ago | (#38414230)

It adds more to the conversation that using buzzwords like "hacktivist".

I happen to like that word. What's wrong with it?

English is a bastard language, stealing from wherever and then mangling what it stole into whatever form it pleases. What's your problem?

Re:First Post (2)

jd (1658) | more than 2 years ago | (#38414306)

A "hacktivist" is someone who is either a Black Hat or a Grey Hat who uses their skills for political activist purposes rather than curiosity, non-directional malice, boredom or because they have a script. It has a definite meaning, it serves a definite purpose, so it's not a buzzword. It may be overused, but that's not the word's fault.

I don't know if the word is in the OED yet, but if it is then it is a proper word. The OED is the bastion of the English Language and what it say goes. It is the only definitive source for the language and therefore any word therein is a part of the language.

Re:First Post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38414504)

except for the mountweazels....those are all fake

Niggers (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38413838)

contribute nothing, invent nothing, and are a drain on society.

Re:First Post (0)

tqk (413719) | more than 2 years ago | (#38414190)

Would you two a-holes just go get a room, please?

Thank Godness (0)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413234)

now they can still update their facebook status, and the world will continue to turn

Couldn't Resist... (4, Funny)

broginator (1955750) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413246)

Very nice!

Re:Couldn't Resist... (-1, Offtopic)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413558)

Ahh, Kazakhstan, which used to be known as just Kazakh. It's the setting of a sci-fi story [youtube.com] about a homosexual in blue spandex who is ejaculated [wikia.com] from his starship, the Blue Dragon, on a mission to save the world from the evil mind control device The Witch's Titties. [gamespite.net]

But uh-oh, here Hiryu is on the streets. That fire-breathing fat fuck Karnov [lifepoint1.com] is trying to make trouble again. His asshole is every bit as puckery and fiery as his mouth.

In summa, Kazakh is a nation in turmoil and we must support their efforts.

Re:Couldn't Resist... (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413830)

WTF did he say? It's hard to find anything meaningful among his homoerotic dreamings.

Re:Couldn't Resist... (1)

slackware 3.6 (2524328) | more than 2 years ago | (#38414016)

You looked at his pucker eeewwww.....

Re:Couldn't Resist... (1)

retchdog (1319261) | more than 2 years ago | (#38414082)

Same... my sister was the same when she lost her mind.

Zain! I'll destroy you to the last circuit!

Re:Couldn't Resist... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38413734)

Wah wah wee wah! This is a not true and is propaganda from those Uzbek assholes!

Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... (3, Insightful)

LVSlushdat (854194) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413270)

Who still has a modem thats capable of dial-up????

Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38413272)

There's a 56k external modem for sale at the local thrift store.

It might work.

Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... (2)

astropirate (1470387) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413316)

People not in "developed" countries..?

Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... (2, Informative)

dbIII (701233) | more than 2 years ago | (#38414094)

The former USSR was developed - the countries that came from it most likely more so.
It's possible the average level of education there is greater than what was available to you, especially in geography and modern history it appears.

Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... (1)

jtownatpunk.net (245670) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413388)

I think my old Dell desktop has a modem in it. And my G3 ibook's around here somewhere. I don't have a phone line, tho.

Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... (2)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413666)

I agree, comparing your first world devices to third world nations is worthy of commentary.

Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... (1)

The Grim Reefer (1162755) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413390)

Who still has a modem thats capable of dial-up????

I have a couple in a box somewhere in my parts closet. I'd probably have to dig out a motherboard with ISA slots to use some of them though.

Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413894)

You're sure that those are modems, and not Winmodems?

http://www.amazon.com/New-56K-External-Serial-Modem-30490000DG/dp/B005DAZ4UI [amazon.com] (note that the price is rather high there - that was just the first in a long line of hits from Google)

Most, but not all, of those internal modems were specially designed to run with Windows, and used your computer's system resources to operate.

Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... (1)

The Grim Reefer (1162755) | more than 2 years ago | (#38414010)

You're sure that those are modems, and not Winmodems?

Absolutely sure they are not. They were all used on Linux boxes. I forgot about those. But now I remember accidentally buying one once, mainly because the packaging did not state it was a Winmodem.

Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 2 years ago | (#38414386)

Cool, then. When the last worms and viruses have eaten the hearts out of the last Windows installations, you can still get on the internets! ;^)

Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... (4, Insightful)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413508)

Lots of recent laptops still come with them - it's cheaper to include it than it is to remove it by changing the motherboard design.

Also, the government action is self-defeating. Trying t get back at oil workers on a sit-down strike doesn't get those oil workers back to work - and oil workers are a specialized trade. Firing and blacklisting one group "en masse" just means you now have a smaller pool to hire from. Reagan could do it during the air traffic controllers' strike because there were others available to hire and you can use new technology to fill some of the gap - this isn't the case in an industry where technology has already taken up all the slack it can, and there's a world-wide shortage of oil workers.

Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38413764)

lol- you haven't purchased a laptop recently have you? Up until last year I'd have agreed. No longer. They finally killed them off.

Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... (1)

zill (1690130) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413868)

My thinkpad W510 (last year's top-of-the-line model) still have it strangely enough. Not only does it waste precious precious port real estate, but I mistook it for an ethernet port multiple times.

Particularly since they are almost nothing (4, Informative)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 2 years ago | (#38414192)

More or less all a modem is in a laptop these days is the hardware to convert the impedance and voltage to work with the 48v balanced phone system. There is no logic, it is all handled in software. Computers are so powerful it isn't hard to do anymore and there's no real performance issue. As such adding one to a system is dirt cheap.

Also there are some geeks, like me, that still have a modem laying around. I have an old USR Courier in my closet. Should I need it for any reason, like when I move to a new place and am waiting on cable to get hooked up (though they are much faster now) I have it. I haven't used it in years, particularly what with having a smartphone, but I still keep it because why not?

Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... (2)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#38414200)

Trying t get back at oil workers on a sit-down strike doesn't get those oil workers back to work - and oil workers are a specialized trade. Firing and blacklisting one group "en masse" just means you now have a smaller pool to hire from.

They are not firing them, they're firing at them, quite literally. Anywhere from 10 to 70 people killed, depending on who you ask. And it's not like those workers can freely pack and move elsewhere, either.

Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38414636)

Lots of recent laptops still come with them - it's cheaper to include it than it is to remove it by changing the motherboard design..

Say what? Most modern notebooks haven't had modems in years? Have you bought a computer recently?

Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... (1)

Hamsterdan (815291) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413582)

Better question is who still has a land line?

Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... (1)

hrvatska (790627) | more than 2 years ago | (#38414184)

For people who need a low cost, high quality phone service it's frequently cheaper and/or better quality than either a cell phone or a VOIP. At least that's true for many of the people I work with. Almost everyone I work with works from home. When we have phone conferences people using VOIP have problems much more frequently than people using landlines. I've used both Skype and Vonage, and had enough problems with both that I've stuck with my land line. My land line only costs about $30 per month for unlimited minutes, it's always up, and the quality is excellent. I've got a mobile for personal use or when I'm traveling, but for business from home I use a land line.

Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... (1)

Stradenko (160417) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413588)

Up until a few months ago, my father. :(

Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... (1)

chikanamakalaka (218733) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413710)

I have five.

Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... (2)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413718)

Who still has a modem thats capable of dial-up????

I've got an old first generation Powerbook G3 that still boots up. Got a hole on the side with a little picture of a phone.

First I'll have to clean all the cat hair off. She used to sleep on it because it got so nice and toasty warm.

Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... (1)

slackware 3.6 (2524328) | more than 2 years ago | (#38414052)

I have a Macintosh classic 1991 with 8" monochrome screen. Only old computer I kept other than a Pentium Pro 200mhz.

Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413762)

A shitload of people who cable and DSL in the US don't reach, and millions more in rest-of-world.

I keep a stash of Winmodems to replace modems belonging to friends which get damaged by lightning, and save my Jaton Explorer from 1999 (with which I first browsed Slashdot using Corel Linux) for troubleshooting.

Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413856)

I have a few. One that I know still works. My family went through a shit ton of worthless Winmodems, but the external modems worked far more reliably. I'm quite positive that the old Zoom modem is still functional. That thing went through hundreds of thunderstorms, that would kill those shitty Winmodems! And, of course, we still have the dialup provider to fall back on, if our DSL should crap out for any reason. Which is possible, in our Backwoods, Nowhere community.

Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... (1)

tibman (623933) | more than 2 years ago | (#38414376)

who doesn't have piles of old tech in the closet.. just in case

On methods of independent verification (1)

tftp (111690) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413276)

Cellular telephone and Internet connections in Zhanaozen have been out of service since the Friday violence, making independent verification of the security situation impossible.

An independent verification of events does not mean contacting a stranger on Facebook who purports to be from the area and asking him how many people the government killed today. But that's what the quoted portion implies.

Re:On methods of independent verification (1)

steveaustin1971 (1094329) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413286)

More reliable than the media.

Re:On methods of independent verification (2)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413300)

To be fair, I'd say that is about as reliable as the media, not necessarily more or less.

Re:On methods of independent verification (1)

steveaustin1971 (1094329) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413376)

Well, since the media is utterly UNRELIABLE in the extreme, anything is more reliable than they are these days.

Re:On methods of independent verification (1)

tftp (111690) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413574)

Well, since the media is utterly UNRELIABLE in the extreme, anything is more reliable than they are these days.

Incorrect, mathematically. Imagine a media source that is ultimately unreliable - it is a generator of random noise. If the set of answers is [0..n-1] then the probability of any answer is exactly 1/n.

Now imagine a witness who is not that bad. The witness has a bias. The density of probability has a peak (one or more.) You are saying, correctly, that the witness is "not as bad." However you don't specify which bias the witness has, if any. In other words, the "good" witness may give you a specific answer that is absolutely wrong.

Re:On methods of independent verification (0)

tftp (111690) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413468)

More reliable than the media

You need reliable (unbiased) sources and a trusted communication channel. If you conduct an interview with an unknown person at an unconfirmed location and that person tells you a story, what is the value of that story? Will you rush to print with that?

Theoretically it could be possible to call many citizens in the area and get an average opinion. But stories of ten senior citizens who sit at home will be different from the story of one 20 y/o man who is rebelling against the power. You can't average those. Besides, this is a small city in a backward country that is ruled by iron fist of President for Life [wikipedia.org] . You can't just grab a phone book and start calling even if the lines were working.

Available reports indicate a small-scale uprising there; tens of people killed even before the government sent the troops in; Molotov cocktails are used against trains and machinery, and so on. You'd be hard pressed to find someone there without an agenda. The government may lie, but the opposition knows how to lie just as well - and the media is the natural vector of spreading this disinformation.

In the end, the only way to get the truth out is to send a trusted reporter in. If you do that it doesn't matter too much if the communications to the area are restricted. The reporter can have an Iridium phone, or he can research the story and fly out of the area on a private airplane. When there is a will there is a way.

Re:On methods of independent verification (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413360)

Because reputed journalists don't use mobile phones or the Internet?

Re:On methods of independent verification (1)

tftp (111690) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413500)

Because reputed journalists don't use mobile phones or the Internet?

A journalist is welcome to use phones or the Internet to send the story in, or to do background research. I'm not a journalist, let alone reputed one, but I don't see a mathematically correct way to conduct interviews remotely when you don't know who you are talking to and what is the agenda of the person who tells you the story. He may be even the well known, honorable mayor of the town ... with a gun at his head. Internet's value to external reporters would be very limited. Even videos wouldn't tell much. Imagine videos of the Civil War in the USA, will they tell you who is right and who is wrong?

Re:On methods of independent verification (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413650)

When I said "reputed journalists", I was talking about Kazakhstanis. External reporters contact (or are contacted by) them using cellphones or the Internet to make the independent verification of the situation.

Re:On methods of independent verification (1)

tftp (111690) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413694)

When I said "reputed journalists", I was talking about Kazakhstanis

The comms blackout, as reported, applies only to the specific area of the unrest:

has blocked the internet and disabled cellphone towers in the city of Zhanaozen

so that rioters can't coordinate their actions as they did in London. The rest of Kazakhstan is not incommunicado. Local journalists are free to go there, investigate, return to other cities and call anyone they want in the world. What is the problem then?

Re:On methods of independent verification (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38413672)

Though I suppose cell phone video is worth a thousand words. Particularly to your countrymen, which are an important rhetorical target you'd reach using the Internet.

Re:On methods of independent verification (1)

tftp (111690) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413726)

I suppose cell phone video is worth a thousand words.

Three words: The Running Man.

Not Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38413290)

Must enable low tech solution to circumvent Kazakhstan Government.

No time to argue.

Internet loss = BAD (1, Flamebait)

GEEKS RULE!! (2534236) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413328)

Whilst this is amusing I suppose it would not be funny for the people that lost their internet connection... I would just curl up and die without on-demand internet access!

Re:Internet loss = BAD (4, Funny)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413426)

I would just curl

Not without Internet, you wouldn't!

Re:Internet loss = BAD (-1, Flamebait)

GEEKS RULE!! (2534236) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413470)

If I had no access myself I would probably just hack someone's wifi to get access!

Re:Internet loss = BAD (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38413788)

He still doesn't wget it....

Coming a US city near you! (1, Offtopic)

Das Auge (597142) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413354)

This is the wet dream of the MPAA/RIAA. SOPA is the next big step down this road.

So, take a moment to write, call, or visit your representative to voice your opposition to censorship.

If you think "Oh, it's just that country", you really need to think again.

This make glorious for beautiful Kazakhstan (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38413392)

Internet is bad for the pornography. So, beautiful Kazakstan make glorious new internet with cat pictures and speeches by president. We also have our own Trololo man who is also Goatse.

Doesn't matter (1)

cb_is_cool (1084665) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413394)

The story came from the Washington Post so all manner of journalists know of it, and internally, word of mouth is almost as quick and just as effective as tweeting, facebooking, etc. When will governments realize that even their best efforts to control information are akin to holding back an ocean with a leaky sieve?

Re:Doesn't matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38413744)

Probably when it stops working most of the time. For every brutal suppression you read about, there are more you did not, or that you only heard about once they were over.

Oil protests? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38413398)

TFA states that oil workers fired over the summer want hire wages. Must be a great place, where people expect to get paid after getting fired from a job. I don't really get what is there to black out about this news, aside from the fact that the country is also being hit with jihadi violence, which TFA mentioned. If the jihadis win, one more oil rich country joins the ranks of Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia, making the world less safe.

Really wish the move towards Thorium powered nuclear would accelarate, reducing oil consumptions to levels that OPEC countries would find it impossible to sell much of it anymore.

Hey (3, Insightful)

Galestar (1473827) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413414)

At least in the Land of the Free we don't kill protesters. We just pepper spray them, beat them senseless, and arrest them only to let them go 24 hours later without charges.

America's dead. Long live America.

Re:Hey (4, Informative)

a_kibitzer (1173865) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413576)

The kids at Kent State and Jackson State may disagree with you.

Re:Hey (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38413638)

Yes because two isolated events that occurred over 40 years ago and have not been repeated since are super relevant.

Re:Hey (4, Interesting)

Grygus (1143095) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413776)

Have not been repeated yet. People have been hurt. It's only a matter of time before some Occupy kids decide they've had enough and actually fight back; if some of the cops are willing to assault completely peaceful protesters, what will they do given a reason to be afraid? It seems very unlikely to me that they will suddenly become professionals with a modicum of restraint. It doesn't take a corrupt police force; just one coward with a gun. We've already seen that those are being deployed to these events. I think it is inevitable unless the protests die out fairly quickly.

Re:Hey (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38413964)

If you are attacking someone with a gun, and they shoot you, that's hardly the same thing as a "peaceful protest". Yeah, the guy with the gun should show restraint, but the guy with the rock has a lot more to lose, whether that's simply the moral high ground or his life.

Re:Hey (1)

jd (1658) | more than 2 years ago | (#38414368)

Ah, yes, because a rock has laser sights, a long range and can travel through riot shields. Or are you assuming protestors with rocks also carry Roman-era siege engines?

Besides, most of the severe injuries were to people NOT carrying rocks, weapons or any other such device. Reports and - where it exists - video footage usually does indeed show police going berserker mode on demonstrators who had absolutely zero offensive capability beyond not showering regularly. Indeed, that seems to be the ONLY offensive weapon the anti-protestors can reliably point to, and I'd hardly call that a deadly weapon.

So far, all evidence points to a completely out-of-control police force with no discipline acting in a manner with no legal basis purely because Sovereign Immunity allows it to do so with absolute impunity.

Re:Hey (1)

jd (1658) | more than 2 years ago | (#38414334)

"Not been repeated" is more optimistic than fact. Deaths of protestors in the US is not unknown. Neither are serious injuries, caused by actions not that different from those from 40 years ago, such as at the Oakland site where several protestors were put into intensive care and are likely to have permanent severe disabilities due to brain injuries sustained from brutality.

Re:Hey (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413864)

There wasn't much for non-lethal riot control gear back then, and issued rifles didn't have effective non-lethal accessories.

Re:Hey (1)

jd (1658) | more than 2 years ago | (#38414372)

Interesting, as one of the complaints make by the most recent investigation into Bloody Sunday was that issued rifles at that time DID have effective non-lethal accessories. So link please or they did.

Re:Hey (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38413890)

The kids at Kent State and Jackson State may disagree with you.

I think the moral of the story is: He who is without guns shouldn't throw stones (at those who do).

Re:Hey (0)

jd (1658) | more than 2 years ago | (#38414410)

Ah, yes. The Soweto Uprising defense. Nobody with brains accepted that excuse then, nobody with brains accepts it now. Riot gear at the time was all but invulnerable to rocks, Molotov Cocktails and similar. Tanks and armoured vehicles all the more so. The police were at less than zero risk.

I despise gun ownership precisely because people DO believe the nauseating claim that a minor disturbance is just cause for opening fire with intent to kill. It is patently obvious to any but the brain-dead that you simply cannot trust ANYONE - police, army, civilians - with anything capable of deadly force. Not a single one of you has the capacity to reason when usage is appropriate.

Re:Hey (1)

MrMista_B (891430) | more than 2 years ago | (#38414090)

24 hours later without charges?

What are you talking about?

That's being changed to indefinite suspension without trial, for any individual, citizen or not, outside of or within US borders.

Released 24 hours later. Pah. That's a thing of the past.

Hey, can you shut up please? (0)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 2 years ago | (#38414158)

Seriously I get really tired of this garbage of every time a story comes up about protests in another nation, that some people seem to need to try and make it about the US. How STFU? This is about Kazakhstan, and the people there. Not about the US.

I don't really care what your reasons are for posts like this, they are annoying and stupid. If it is some kind of moral equivalence crap like "Oh the US does some bad stuff so none of their citizens should ever be able to talk about anywhere else," then it is stupid, and shows extreme ignorance. If it is a case of trying to make everything about you and your nation rather than anywhere else that it is extremely egotistical and arrogant.

When something comes up about protests, crackdowns, whatever in another nation how about keeping it on that topic? Talk about the US stuff in the threads about the US stuff, of which there are plenty.

according to who? (1)

datapharmer (1099455) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413442)

Who is providing the information that the internet has been shut down there? Google data doesn't seem to indicate this so far (http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/traffic/), so where are we getting this information from? Not saying it isn't happening, I just like at least 1 source to backup stories that involve the internet being cut off to an entire nation...

Re:according to who? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38413720)

Google doesn't have the data for the 17th finalized yet.

A reality show is news for nerds? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38413444)

I'm not sure how this is news for nerds. Isn't this some reality show with stupid rich people or something?

Kim is probably a bitch anyway.

What's the best low bandwidth way to send a msg.? (2, Interesting)

wisebabo (638845) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413450)

Other than e-mail, what is the best way to get your message across (probably text only) to the largest number of people?

Some sort of newsgroup, bulletin board? Or is it twitter? (But then you need to have a following right? I don't know, I don't tweet).

Heaven forbid that we (in the democratic west) ever face this problem but maybe while traveling we might face a situation where just getting a few characters out of info could mean a world of difference. I'm reminded of the time when that Israeli scientist who blew the cover on their nuclear program was caught. As he was being transported via a van in front of a bunch of photographers, he pressed his palm up to the glass where, clearly legible, was a short message (I think it said where he had been kidnapped). I think there was another short message sent by a journalist right when he was being taken in by the Egyptian police (a long time ago) which helped keep him from "disappearing".

Hope that never, ever happens to me. Maybe having a tiny USB modem should be part of my travel kit.

Re:What's the best low bandwidth way to send a msg (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38413548)

Other than e-mail, what is the best way to get your message across (probably text only) to the largest number of people?

Some sort of newsgroup, bulletin board? Or is it twitter? (But then you need to have a following right? I don't know, I don't tweet).

Heaven forbid that we (in the democratic west) ever face this problem but maybe while traveling we might face a situation where just getting a few characters out of info could mean a world of difference. I'm reminded of the time when that Israeli scientist who blew the cover on their nuclear program was caught. As he was being transported via a van in front of a bunch of photographers, he pressed his palm up to the glass where, clearly legible, was a short message (I think it said where he had been kidnapped). I think there was another short message sent by a journalist right when he was being taken in by the Egyptian police (a long time ago) which helped keep him from "disappearing".

Hope that never, ever happens to me. Maybe having a tiny USB modem should be part of my travel kit.

IRC

Re:What's the best low bandwidth way to send a msg (2)

fred911 (83970) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413614)

We used to use usenet. Simple and effective. RIP

Re:What's the best low bandwidth way to send a msg (1)

gratuitous_arp (1650741) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413954)

We used to use usenet. Simple and effective. RIP

We used to use RIP, too. And later, RIPv2. RIP RIP.

Re:What's the best low bandwidth way to send a msg (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38413592)

Twitter hashtags - you don't need followres, you just have to know what the hashtag is and you can find it by following other people?

Re:What's the best low bandwidth way to send a msg (2)

chikanamakalaka (218733) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413758)

HAM Radio

Re:What's the best low bandwidth way to send a msg (2)

bbqsrc (1441981) | more than 2 years ago | (#38414132)

Even if you don't have a large following on Twitter, for things like this situation, there is almost always a hashtag for the protest in use. For Egypt, it was #jan25, so if you wanted to send a message about Egypt to as many people as possible, you send a message with #jan25 somewhere in it, and people would easily find it, and retweet it to their followers.

Abstractly, in a lot of ways a hashtag on Twitter is like an asynchronous equivalent to an IRC channel, in that you can search for it and get any messages from that tag at any time, and share them with your followers. Hope that helps.

Just goes to show: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38413530)

You can't stop the signal.

How tragicomix (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38413628)

See subject

Not a worry (0)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413632)

We still have reporter borat [youtube.com] who has access to the internet to still receive and send information from.

Not a worry??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38413768)

Prediction: Coming to a city near YOU!

This reminds me... (1)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 2 years ago | (#38413944)

... we need an amendment to the US constitution that says something to the tune of "deliberately disrupting access to communications between free people not convicted of crime, for any reason, is considered an act of terrorism and will be tried as such".

Obviously with few exclusions and clearer definitions.

Imagine if people in public service, with ability to manipulate services, that disagree with members of the public, begin to discriminate selectively or bluntly but deliberately in an attempt to defeat that which they disagree with (legal, or otherwise unconvicted). I know we saw it with the Bay Area BART protests. This *cannot* become accepted or normal in any way; this cannot be allowed.

Re:This reminds me... (1)

tftp (111690) | more than 2 years ago | (#38414406)

That would make sense only if access to communications is a human right and not a service that you buy and sell. Otherwise your rights and seller's rights are defined by the contract.

Also note that one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. BART is not a political stage - it is a conveyance, so it was proper for them to fulfill their primary mission at expense of a tertiary one.

nbd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38414174)

great, so the 10 people in that armpit of a country who have internet can't do squat - the rest can continue to farm rocks

Re:nbd (4, Informative)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#38414234)

Of all Asian Soviet republics, Kazakhstan was the most well developed. Among other things, it's where Baikonur is.

One small step... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38414196)

One small step for the Internet...one facefloor for yet another primarily Muslim country oppressing their people while simultaneously claiming Western countries are somehow inferior...

*sigh*...If you're going to try to prove Western society inferior, can you perhaps try making yourselves look better instead of making Western society look good?

Don't they have all that K? (0)

droopus (33472) | more than 2 years ago | (#38414278)

Kazakhstan greatest country in the world.
All other countries are run by little girls.
Kazakhstan number one exporter of potassium.
Other countries have inferior potassium.

Kazakhstan home of Tinshein swimming pool.
It’s length thirty meter and width six meter.
Filtration system a marvel to behold.
It remove 80 percent of human solid waste.

Kazakhstan, Kazakhstan you very nice place.
From Plains of Tarashek to Norther fence of Jewtown.
Kazakhstan friend of all except Uzbekistan.
They very nosey people with bone in their brain.

Kazakhstan industry best in the world.
We invented toffee and trouser belt.
Kazakhstan’s prostitutes cleanest in the region.
Except of course Turkmenistan’s

Kazakhstan, Kazakhstan you very nice place.
From Plains of Tarashek to Norther fence of Jewtown.
Come grasp the might penis of our leader.
From junction with the testes to tip of its face!

Region is destabilizing rather rapidly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38414362)

This really doesn't surprise me. I have family members who have been there for the past several months. They were there officially as English teachers, although honestly their main purpose was mission work. They had planned on staying for a year with their team, but after several events that happened in the past month or so, they ultimately had to pull out their team.

About a month or so ago, there was a gunman who went on a killing spree. You can read the details online, but I think he killed something like 8 or 9 people. It was reported that he was a religious extremist, but of course the Kazakhstan government is playing down that aspect and claiming they were just "know criminals with a know criminal history committing more crimes." A week after that happened, the Peace Corps pulled out all their staff and workers almost overnight. The Peace Corps had been there since 1993, and they were quoted as saying that the violence had just gotten to too dangerous of a level. They also said that Kazakhstan had the highest reported level of sexual assaults and rapes of ANY country that the Peace Corps is stationed in. Although to be clear, I do not know if they were referring to assault/rape rates in general, or just assaults/rapes committed against Peace Corps members.

About 3 weeks after the gunman, which was in a country about 100 miles from them, a very tragic event happened. One of their team members was found dead in his apartment by his roommate, who was also on their team. Their whole group, which is part of the Campus Crusade organization, has been very tight lipped about the whole ordeal. They claim that they have NO idea what happened to him, and aren't saying one way or another how he died. But according to a major Kazakhstan news organization, it was a murder. http://en.tengrinews.kz/crime/6036/ They reported that he was found with a bag over his head, and they also quote the police as saying that it was a murder, they just don't have a motive or a suspect at this time. There is even a reference to the Interior Department looking into it, which I assume is something like their version of the State Department. About 5 days after this all happened, they were out of the country. They would have been out faster, but the logistics of getting everything finalized and getting plane tickets took longer than they had anticipated.

So the fact that the government is cutting off the internet doesn't surprise me. Kazakhstan just recently passed a law putting much harsher restrictions on religious freedom and expression. It has not historically been a country with a high level of fundamental Islam and terrorism, but that has started to change lately. They are trying very hard to keep their country from spiraling downward into a unstable region, as they are the #1 producer of oil in Central Asia. I think they have their minds in the right place, but I am afraid that the new restrictions will backfire on them.

I don't generally agree with what my sister and brother in law are doing, and I don't think it is right that they are trying to get people to change their religion. I also think it was dishonest in how they got into the country. As far as the government of Kazakhstan is concerned, they were there as English teachers. The country apparently allows a certain number of official missionaries in each year, but is a very low number. So it was much easy and faster to get in as English teachers. They did actually teach lessons during the week, but it was only so they could meet college students to try and converse with about religion. But regardless of my opinions about what they were doing, it was obvious that they needed to get out of there. Campus Crusade really wanted them to be there, as they consider it a country with great potential. So for them to pull out really says something to me as to the safety and stability of the country.

It really is a shame to see a country with a mostly moderate Islam population to start to be overrun by fundamentalist. There are already too many crazy religious types in this world, and Islam certainly doesn't need more reasons for people to stereotype them all. I'm not really even sure why terrorists would start attacking people in Kazakhstan, as it isn't the typical case with many countries where it is at least a partial result of the US invading their country. Although to be honest, I don't really know a whole lot about Kazakh history or the social situation.

But all this is just my personal opinion based on direct knowledge or some of the events currently happening in the country.

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Cardinal Biggles (6685) | more than 2 years ago | (#38414436)

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