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Hello World On PS Vita, Thanks to Buffer Overflow

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the in-the-palm-of-your-hand dept.

Hardware Hacking 123

YokimaSun writes "Mamosuke, a PSP Homebrewer from Japan, has posted the first Hello World on the PS Vita which comes from the PSP Emulator in the console. Using a buffer overflow, he has found a way into the PSVita, and with many PSP Game exploits still around and not published for the whole homebrew and hacking community this means that in the short term homebrew is here on the PSvita. Lets hope this is the start of a true PSVita homebrew scene."

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That was fast (4, Interesting)

JavaBear (9872) | about 2 years ago | (#38419706)

That console haven't been out more than a day or so...

Re:That was fast (5, Informative)

QuasiSteve (2042606) | about 2 years ago | (#38419726)

Well, considering it was a known (to the author) exploit for the PSP, it would make sense to try that same exploit in the PSP emulator on the PSVita.

Re:That was fast (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38419748)

Why do obese black women smell like stale marshmallows? Do they have to work at it in some way by using liberal amounts of some kind of lotion? Or is it natural? Sure ok that's off-topic but where else can I ask something like that? If I wanted to be offensive I'd use words other than "obese" and "black" but it's a real question, I really want to know why they do. It's just ... directly asking one of them seems like a social land-mine especially when the word "overweight" or "obese" comes up ... so I ask here. Sorry for the off-topic question but I hope somebody knows.

Re:That was fast (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38419786)

Why do you smell obese black women?

Re:That was fast (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38419912)

Why do you smell obese black women?

Well ... no offense but when you crawl out of your mom's basement, you will realize there is a whole world out there full of diverse people. Some of them are black, and female, and obese. Apparently you don't have much contact with the general public. You could be at a bar, at a store, at a restaurant ... one way or another you will eventually encounter an obese black woman. When you do, you will probably smell the strong odor of stale marshmallows. Then you, too, will wonder what produces that smell.

Now, I don't hate black people. It's much harder since unlike being black, a person chooses to be obese without doing anything about it but I don't hate obese people either (even though their bulk is always in the way, and it's unsightly, and you wonder why somebody would allow that to happen to them without changing their lifestyle long before it became a problem). I just wonder why obese black women smell like stale marshmallows. I cannot figure it out. I am reaching out to the community to explain this conundrum.

This is not like obese people who smell like moldy cheese because they bathe but cannot properly clean themselves between the rolls of adipose. It's something different. These women do properly clean themselves and probably need extra effort to do it but they do what it takes to be clean. It's something else entirely. It is not an unpleasant or offensive odor, just strange and hard to explain. I just don't know what that is.

Re:That was fast (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38420764)

I see fat black women most every day. I've never noticed any particular odor about them. Fat people in general disgust me and I try to avoid smelling or looking at them.

Re:That was fast (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421264)

It's probably a hair product. It's an established cultural thing for black women to feel pressured to use all sorts of weird fucking chemicals on their hair.

Occam's Razor. What's the common denominator here?

Re:That was fast (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38419902)

* Why do obese black women smell like stale marshmallows?

So that blind people can hate them too.

Re:That was fast (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421966)

Sure ok that's off-topic but where else can I ask something like that?

4chan is that way ===>

Advantage of homebrew? (4, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#38419716)

What's the advantage of running homebrew on a PSVita over running homebrew on an Android device such as an Xperia Play or a Galaxy Player (called Galaxy S Wi-Fi in some markets)?

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (-1, Troll)

InsightIn140Bytes (2522112) | about 2 years ago | (#38419736)

What's the advantage of running homebrew on a PSVita over running homebrew on an Android device such as an Xperia Play or a Galaxy Player (called Galaxy S Wi-Fi in some markets)?

That you don't need to run Android, a product made by the largest advertising and datamining house on planet?

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (3, Informative)

Unkl_Shvelven (1002053) | about 2 years ago | (#38419780)

Right, so you run a product made by Sony, the largest lying and swindling house on the planet.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (0)

InsightIn140Bytes (2522112) | about 2 years ago | (#38419798)

What have they lied about? Sure, you're maybe upset how they removed OtherOS from PS3 after hackers started abusing it, but that doesn't make them liars. You might want to stick to truth if you have some point to make.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (3, Insightful)

slippyblade (962288) | about 2 years ago | (#38420038)

On the OtherOS front, we have over a year of Sony saying, "OtherOS is here to stay" and "we will not remove functionality"

On the flip side is knowingly installing rootkits on folks computers, lying about, then saying it's people's own faults because, "Most people don't even know what a rootkit is!"

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (0)

nightfell (2480334) | more than 2 years ago | (#38420126)

On the OtherOS front, we have over a year of Sony saying, "OtherOS is here to stay" and "we will not remove functionality"

[citation needed]

On the flip side is knowingly installing rootkits on folks computers, lying about, then saying it's people's own faults because, "Most people don't even know what a rootkit is!"

A third-party tool that was horrible, to be sure, but again, where's your citation that they blamed the users and ever said what you put in quotes? Seems to me you're the one lying here...

So, your best examples are unsupported claims, lies, and complaining about something that happened almost a decade ago? Honestly, you don't really make much of a compelling case against Sony, and I don't really like the company itself all that much, so you wouldn't have to try very hard to convince me. Just some actual facts and something fairly recent. From what I've seen more recently, they got hacked and took a long time to get it resolved, but they did get it resolved, and gave everyone some games and other things for their trouble.

That's not going to win them any medals or anything, but it's definitely reasonable and hard to find a reason to complain about.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

Sancho (17056) | more than 2 years ago | (#38420258)

The former is completely unverifiable. It came second-hand via a developer. Here's a source. There are many like it. http://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/cbe-oss-dev/2010-February/007202.html [ozlabs.org]

As for the rootkits:
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20051108/0117239.shtml [techdirt.com]

They have a history of mistreating paying customers. I imagine the freebies (all very old games, of course) for the PSN outage were just a business decision that wound up in the customers' favor. Their other business decisions ended up in their favor, to the detriment of (some) of their customers.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

sd4f (1891894) | more than 2 years ago | (#38420388)

Sony have had numerous instances of really trying to stick it to the consumer, OtherOS and the rootkit scandal were the worst, all the other instances were somewhat less audacious, but still serving themselves ahead of their customers. Simple things like removing support from the PS3 for third party controllers, designing mp3 players which were really not friendly to the consumer, securom is a sony product as well, it's not big things as much as lots of little things, and that's why i agree with Unkl_Shvelven, they are swindlers.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 2 years ago | (#38422412)

Not to mention a long history of stupid proprietary formats... I've been boycotting Sony since MemoryStick and ATRAC3!

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

SenseiLeNoir (699164) | more than 2 years ago | (#38423296)

I am going to pick on one point. I have a thrid party (PC USB) controller, and that works fine on my (latestest firmware) PS3.

They only removed support for third party controllers that HAVE a "PS" button, and are not licensed to sell said controller. They do NOT prevent third party controllers without a "PS" button.....

Also MP3 players that are not friendly to users? I dunno what drugs you are smoking. I bought my mum a Sony MP3 player recently, has easy USB Mass Storage transfer of songs, as well as support for MTP if you wish, FM radio, video, iPlayer support, active noise cancelling headphones, and is easy to use.

Slag off sony for what they deserve, dont invent more things to slag them off with, otherwise you look stupid.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#38420418)

[citation needed]

Actually, no, a citation is not needed. Sony sold a console with a feature. People bought the console with that feature. When you buy something, you expect to be able to keep something, so yes, Sony said, by selling the PS3, that you would get (and keep) OtherOS. When they took it away, they demonstrated an audacious hostility to their customers.

If that was the only thing that Sony had ever done that showed hostility to their consumers, it is something that enough good behavior on their part might make up for. But remotely removing OtherOS was not even the worst thing Sony ever did. not even close.

So, you may shill for them. Paid trolls may try to hijack any thread that is critical of Sony (note every single Sony story for the last 2 weeks - coincidence?). But you are not going to rehabilitate Sony's image. Nor will you make the declining quality of their products improve by being a Sony booster, pro or amateur.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (4, Interesting)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 2 years ago | (#38420578)

A third-party tool that was horrible, to be sure, but again, where's your citation that they blamed the users and ever said what you put in quotes?

Unfortunately, hes NOT lying, and that quote was from a fairly high up executive...
Mr. THOMAS HESSE (President, Sony BMG Global Digital Business): Most people, I think, don't even know what a Rootkit is, so why should they care about it?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4989260 [npr.org]

That quote isnt itself a crime, but it certainly is a poor attempt to defend their actions, and kind of indicates Sony's relationship with its customers.

If you want to know the reasons basically everyone on the internet hates sony, you can start by reading Maddox's take on it [thebestpag...iverse.net] (which is pretty spot on, despite the crudity of it). Long story short,

  1. They shut down Lik-Sang. Wonderful, now I cant buy Hori controllers anymore. The irony of it is that apparently even Sony employees were importing thru LikSang
  2. They had the whole rootkit debacle mentioned above, which they handled with the grace of an elephant and about as much tact as Maddox. I think they eventually released a tool to remove the kit, which ended up either causing further problems or not actually fixing the broken CD drives it created. (Windows reinstall necessary). Mark Russinovich has a writeup on the whole thing, but the NPR link above summarizes it pretty well.
  3. Part of Sony is Sony BMG, which is part of the RIAA that everyone on the internet loves so much.
  4. They started removing features from the PS3 from iteration 2 on (USB ports, etc), which is always a way to make your customers love you.
  5. They got the crap hacked out of them, and then denied the severity of it, resulting in two [penny-arcade.com] rather spot [penny-arcade.com] (and hillarious) on Penny Arcade comics. They also posted a...post... [penny-arcade.com] on it which basically sums it up: They lack the ability to communicate in a meaningful way with their customers.
  6. Theyre behind Blu-Ray, and its encryption, which again is super duper popular with normal slashdot folks.

Not all of those are crimes (blu-ray), but when you add them together you get the impression that Sony doesnt even really pretend to care about its customers, and really is your stereotypical faceless monster of a corporation. They barely even have a cool-factor to offset it, like Nintendo can pull off.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 2 years ago | (#38423858)

They started removing features from the PS3 from iteration 2 on (USB ports, etc), which is always a way to make your customers love you.

Removing features from new models is very different from removing features from existing models after a customer bought it, and you know it.

The USB ports and PS2 CPU were removed in the console's second revision to reduce the console's price tag. The PS2 graphics system (and thus, PS2 Software support) were removed in the third revision for the same reason.

OtherOS was removed from the Slim edition, then once someone figured out how to bypass the Hypervisor, removed from all previous editions via firmware update.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421326)

Really? Just tear down someone with legitimate complaints. Go back to sony corporate, You FAIL.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38420084)

They lied when they installed rootkits from music CDs on to people's computers without any warning. A lie of omission is still a lie.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38422294)

Sony didn't install RootKits, SonyBMG did. At the time they were part owned by Sony, but they had their own management

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38420468)

And then shortly after they will remove the PSP emulator, citing the maintenance cost is too high.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (0)

muon-catalyzed (2483394) | more than 2 years ago | (#38420382)

Really? Sony has a good record of quality products like the whole PlayStation brand. Their only real fiasco was the CD rootkit gaffe, but that was not due to their intended malice, they just wanted to try a new DRM offered by some 3rd party, the executives did not even know how it should work or what the rootkit is anyway, they just bought 'amazing new proprietary security technology' that turned evil beyond their imagination.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#38420458)

they just wanted to try a new DRM offered by some 3rd party

"Just"?

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

VMSBIGOT (933292) | more than 2 years ago | (#38422002)

Quality products?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony#Laptop_batteries_dysfunction [wikipedia.org]

And about the rootkit CD, you act like Sony has no people capable of evaluating a product. "They just wanted to try".... on my hardware, GFYS Sony. The evil part on top of that is that the tool to remove the rootkit was even worse then the rootkit itself. Read either Mark's blog on SysInternals, or one of the links posted above if you want to actually understand the douchiness of their response.

I agree that they *used* to have high quality products such as their old tube based displays; But as the PlayStation has consumed larger and larger % of their profits, their other products quality has gone downhill. Search for the Sony 3LCD light engine problem as another example of their quality becoming crap.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

VMSBIGOT (933292) | more than 2 years ago | (#38422016)

Oh, I forgot to add their issues with CCD's in the past as well.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38422672)

Sony has a good record of quality products like the whole PlayStation brand.

Tell that to the people who had to turn their PS1s upside down to read discs, adjust misaligned cogs in their PS2s to fix disc read errors, or replace the thermal jizz on their PS3's CPU to avoid yellow light of death.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

cforciea (1926392) | more than 2 years ago | (#38422260)

You do know who makes the Xperia Play, right?

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38420690)

Dear god you're an idiot.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (5, Informative)

supersloshy (1273442) | about 2 years ago | (#38419754)

Two analog sticks, front and rear touch screen, a lot of power, great PSP/PSX emulator compatibility (much better than ePSXe or PCSX), and a cheaper price for people who can't afford a data plan for their phone.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38419828)

I'd rather have a phone that is just a phone, and a portable game console, than a "smart" phone that does both poorly.

Don't compare those crappy games to what you find on the PS3 market.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38419876)

a cheaper price for people who can't afford a data plan for their phone.

The Galaxy Player doesn't require a data plan, it's more like the Android equivalent of the iPod Touch. Beyond that, you can now get an Xperia Play off contract for about the same price as the bare minimum cost of a Vita. And then flash storage for the PSVita costs about twice as much as equivalent MicroSD cards.

Not that I can't see the appeal of owning a PSVita, mind you. Just wanted to put that information out there.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

CmdTako (2503216) | about 2 years ago | (#38419914)

SONY PSP Vita $254.99 with est. tax & free shipping YINLIPS YDPG18 $125.95 with free shipping. Android handheld cost only half as much as PSP Vita

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38419930)

SONY PSP Vita $254.99 with est. tax & free shipping
YINLIPS YDPG18 $125.95 with free shipping.
Android handheld cost only half as much as PSP Vita

how much also is that required data plan and any other "hidden fees" with the phone?

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38419980)

Please, pretty please, learn to use Google before you leave snarky comments on the Internet and make an ass of yourself.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38420586)

how much also is that required data plan and any other "hidden fees" with the phone?

A) $0
B) What phone?

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

AmonTheMetalhead (1277044) | more than 2 years ago | (#38422318)

The Yinlips also has a rather iffy build quality and a lot *LESS* power then the PS Vita. (And yes, I *own* a Yinlips, nifty little gadget despite it's flaws).

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 2 years ago | (#38420682)

I"ve been saying for years that if Android really wants to take the gaming world, what they really need is some kind of standard controller with a simple d-pad and 4-6 buttons. Analog thumbstick might be nice, but probably isn't even necessary. Have some kind of mechanism so that it can physically hold the phone, and make it connect with bluetooth, and you are set. Touch screen controls work fine for angry birds, but having your fingers on the screen really cuts away from high action games, both in usable screen space, and in how well you can control the game.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38420966)

I"ve been saying for years that if Android really wants to take the gaming world, what they really need is some kind of standard controller with a simple d-pad and 4-6 buttons.

You mean like the Xperia PLAY [sonyericsson.com] ?

If Sony ever gets their act together, they have the means to easily dominate the handhelds...

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

Zuriel (1760072) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421050)

I've been saying for years that if Android really wants to take the gaming world, what they really need is some kind of standard controller with a simple d-pad and 4-6 buttons. Analog thumbstick might be nice, but probably isn't even necessary. Have some kind of mechanism so that it can physically hold the phone, and make it connect with bluetooth, and you are set.

Something like this: http://gametelcontroller.com/ [gametelcontroller.com] ?

Or this: http://www.icontrolpad.com/ [icontrolpad.com] ?

The icontrolpad has iPhones in all it's images but Android phones are listed on the compatibility page.

You should have spent less time saying that and more time googling for bluetooth control pads. :)

Not available in the United States (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#38423412)

Video game developers can't rely on end users owning one of those, especially when "Signup to receive an email when Gametel is ready for sale outside Europe." Nor is a $69.99 iControlPad cheap enough to sell in a bundle with a game the way a controller is bundled with Guitar Hero.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 2 years ago | (#38423784)

Didn't know they existed. Google should be pushing to get these marketed. They should sell them along with cell phones, for a minimal price, to get people to use them, and so developers can depend on them being there.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421370)

If Android wants to take the gaming world, it needs to be able to do smooth scrolling. But it never will unless it is redesigned.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#38423682)

For one thing, anything using OpenGL has smooth scrolling. If you were referring to the UI, I thought Ice Cream Sandwich could do smooth scrolling on devices supporting it.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#38423006)

NO NO NO a thousand times NO. What we need is to be able to remap controls, ALWAYS. Then it doesn't matter if your controller is "standard", you just need a controller with at least N buttons. So many console games have just been totally ruined by bad control maps...

watch out what you wish for... (1)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 2 years ago | (#38423590)

you could end up with the unholy abomination that is the appblaster [wired.com] (WARNING: worse than goatse)

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

mirix (1649853) | about 2 years ago | (#38419832)

One to rule them all?

What's wrong with being able to run whatever you want on whatever you want? The more the better, I think.

Or are you asking what makes this hardware better than android hardware?

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#38420054)

Or are you asking what makes this hardware better than android hardware?

This is correct. What makes a locked-down video game player that has to be jailbroken better than an Android PMP that respects the user's choice to obtain software from unknown, possibly hobbyist, sources?

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

EdZ (755139) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421876)

What makes a locked-down video game player that has to be jailbroken better than an Android PMP that respects the user's choice to obtain software from unknown, possibly hobbyist, sources?

1) It has buttons. You want to play any game with an interaction method more complicated than "poke the thing"? A touchscreen is no good.
2) Built-in high-compatibility emulators for PSP and PSX
3) Unusually nice screen (I've seen plenty of cheap PMPs using TN panels)

How in the market (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#38423698)

It has buttons.

How in the market did we get to a point where all devices that come with buttons as a standard feature also have mandatory lockdown against homemade software?

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (4, Insightful)

Verunks (1000826) | about 2 years ago | (#38419846)

of course the biggest advantage of homebrew is that you will be able to play pirated games

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421738)

of course the biggest advantage of homebrew is that you will be able to play pirated games

This is slashdot. Everyone's a dirty pirate who steals games and music and movies, but no one will admit because they're pussies.
And when they're called out on it it's a mix of:

Information wants to be free!
I made a COPY, it's not STEALING, and I wasn't going to buy it anyway, so I didn't steal the proceeds from a sale.
I don't even own a TV because I'm so cool.

But in reality everyone is fucking pirating everything they can get their hands on.
At least own up to it, faggots.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38422032)

Right, let's not fool ourselves. Approximately nobody actually cares about homebrew, maybe a hobbyist will make a rip-off of Tetris or something but who gives a fuck. It's all about the first step towards running pirated games.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

10101001 10101001 (732688) | about 2 years ago | (#38419966)

Off hand, I may own a PS Vita but not an Xperia Play or a Galaxy Player. It's the same reason I use/develop homebrew on a GBA. Perhaps a good question would be, why buy a PS Vita over an Xperia Play. Personally, I wouldn't know except to say I'm leery of any device I'm afraid of putting in my pocket for fear it'll become scratched up or break. To that end, I don't really know if any of the above are something I'd want.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

nightfell (2480334) | more than 2 years ago | (#38420074)

What's the advantage of running homebrew on a PSVita over running homebrew on an Android device such as an Xperia Play or a Galaxy Player (called Galaxy S Wi-Fi in some markets)?

Does there have to be some particular advantage? Why not just because they want to?

Make up for the possibility of getting sued (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#38420114)

I was under the impression that there had to be some advantage in doing so in order to make up for 1. the possibility of a lawsuit over revealing the method used to do so (compare Sony v. Hotz), and 2. the fact that flourishing homebrew encourages people to buy nominally "closed" devices over "open" devices running Android, an operating system that at least minimally respects users' and home developers' freedom.

Re:Make up for the possibility of getting sued (1)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 2 years ago | (#38420512)

Perhaps the advantage is that it amounts to a giant "FUCK YOU!" to Sony. I for one would totally hack a console just to spite them. If I ever do get a PS3 (used, so they don't get any money), I'll be sure to slap Linux on it just because.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | more than 2 years ago | (#38420112)

What's the advantage of running homebrew on an Android device over running homebrew on a full-blown desktop PC?

There are a few answers and they're all rather simple: it's different hardware, allowing for different things, and if you're buying such a device anyways why not take advantage of it in multiple ways? And unlike a PC and most Android devices, a PSVita is a PSVita: its specs do not change and since you can count on there always being the same set of input devices you can optimize whatever it is you're creating for that.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#38420184)

The advantage of Android apps over PC apps is the device's form factor, which may be more appropriate for some apps. But an Xperia Play's form factor is close to that of a PSP Go and not too far from that of a PSP-1000/2000/3000 or PSVita.

and if you're buying such a device anyways why not take advantage of it in multiple ways?

Because the manufacturer wants to take "multiple ways" away from the people who buy the product.

since you can count on there always being the same set of input devices you can optimize whatever it is you're creating for that.

All Android phones and PMPs have a touch screen. And apart from Archos 43, which appears to have been obsoleted by the Galaxy Player, they're pretty much all capacitive, so most games rely on multitouch. But I understand that not all genres are amenable to touch screens, and that's currently the only advantage that established developers get over hobbyists and small businesses: a guarantee of physical buttons.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (2)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421314)

Because you can run these funny little things called "Commercial games?" You can find them in stores! It's amazing!

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#38423706)

Since when can't a Galaxy Player run commercial games from Android Market and Amazon Appstore?

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421872)

You get to say "fuck you Sony", which is all that matters on Slashdot.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 2 years ago | (#38422580)

Well, one advantage might be "I own a PSVita but not an Xperia Play or Galaxy Player".

For another two months (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#38423736)

You probably don't already "own a PSVita" because it won't be sold in the English-speaking market for another two months. I was asking why buy a PSVita over an Android PMP once the PSVita is out if you're going to be using it for homebrew. IMHO, one should vote with one's wallet for homebrew-friendly manufacturers, such as pretty much all manufacturers of Android PDAs and Android phones.

Re:Advantage of homebrew? (1)

Eunuchswear (210685) | more than 2 years ago | (#38422966)

The "advantage" is that you reward bad behaviour, ensuring that Sony keeps on producing closed devices.

Think about it - you want to use homebrew, so you give your money to someone who spends all their time attempting to stop you from doing it? Are you crazy?

Don't jailbreak - it's dumb. Buy gear that doesn't need it.

Vote with your wallet.

How long before Sony removes the emulator? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38419746)

Start of a new homebrew scene? More like the start of Sony just removing the PSP emulator entirely. There's plenty of precedent for that on PS3.

Re:How long before Sony removes the emulator? (1)

blackest_k (761565) | about 2 years ago | (#38419842)

maybe not for a few months.

People are interested in this console but knowing it can easily be used to play psp rips will be a major factor in deciding to buy one or not.

If Sony leave this open for a few months it could sell a lot of units. Fix it and there's a bunch of people now having to buy games...

sure slashdot will have regular updates ...

 

Re:How long before Sony removes the emulator? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38420266)

maybe not for a few months.

People are interested in this console but knowing it can easily be used to play psp rips will be a major factor in deciding to buy one or not.

If Sony leave this open for a few months it could sell a lot of units. Fix it and there's a bunch of people now having to buy games...

sure slashdot will have regular updates ...

because of course the whole world is heartless dicks and could care less about laws because they wanted a hand held to steal from the big evil corporations that make handhelds possible through slave labor and other crimes against humanity cause ya know the corporation doesn't give a shit about evil poor bastards who can't afford a $400 console if it doesn't steal movies or games...

they used to say work makes a man honest but according to your world view not even that makes a man honest.

Re:How long before Sony removes the emulator? (2)

neokushan (932374) | about 2 years ago | (#38419852)

Good, let them.

Frankly, I'm tired of Sony's bullshit and the more they fuck over their paying consumers, the faster people will realise what a worthless company they really are.

Re:How long before Sony removes the emulator? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38420030)

/sigh

Youre obviously one of those anti sony people just for the sake of being anti sony. Do you not have any idea what homebrew is or does? Do you not realize that homebrew is a way to play pirated software? To do things on a system that it isnt designed to do? Im sure you also oppose piracy, saying homebrew is ok is saying that piracy is also ok.

And sony has never fucked their customers, ever. Course with that Im sure youll point out their network hack fiasco, but what about the dozens of other game companies that had the same thing happen to them? Why is ok for other companies to get hacked but not sony? Or maybe youll talk about the online passkeys they have for their games for which has been in use for decades now on the pc and other systems?

Or maybe you hate sony because they have 100% free online gaming while 360 makes you pay for it, maybe you hate sony because they do free things for their customers all the time like Home or dc universe online, maybe you hate psn+ that you pay for and get a ton of stuff in return like discounts and free games on top of its extra features, maybe you hate the fact they make good quality electronics, or maybe you just hate them because youre a idiot and you hate them because all the other internet moron drones tell you to hate them.

If you were a REAL gamer then you wouldnt care about sony at all, you would care about games. But sadly youre a fanboy of a system and anti fanboy of another system, you dont play games because you play systems which makes you a pseudo gamer.

Re:How long before Sony removes the emulator? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38420102)

Or maybe was that rootkit you failed to mention, or that crap about replacing failed ps3 units with newer ones that have less hardware and less features.

Re:How long before Sony removes the emulator? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38420158)

I'm sorry, but Sony fucked ME as their customer.

I was working on a university project, using PS3 Linux as one platform, and the PC as another, a cross-platform portability demonstration.

The PS3 Linux was an integral part of the project, which I'd been working on for 2 years.

Another family member comes over, and unwittingly updates the PS3 to play the latest game, after all, it was bought as a games console, for the family to play games on, as well as the research project.

Net result, I failed the course, lost thousands in tuition fees, with no recourse.

I don't blame the family member for updating the system, they're not a tech head, how were they to know Sony would pull such a STUPID stunt. I don't blame the university, they have their rules. I blame Sony, and they got off scott free for it. Sony had promised, on their website that support would remain. They lied.

Since then I haven't purchased a single NEW Sony title, and have informed the family not to do so either. I won't be buying any new Sony systems.

Re:How long before Sony removes the emulator? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421192)

Erm, really? Even on threat of failing a course, you were not willing to track down a replacement PS3 for your project? Sure, Sony did something wrong there and a new PS3 probably would have set you back a few hundred dollars... but you counted this as losing thousands in tuition fees, so I think you could justify it.

Sony has done some bad things (killing OtherOS, the rootkit, ...), but making them sound worse than they really are doesn't help your argument.

Re:How long before Sony removes the emulator? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421506)

Wow. This is what brilliance American engineering colleges are pouring out now? You deserved to fail that course since you seem to have a complete inability to save 'thousands in tuition fees' because you can't ebay a $200 used console.

Re:How long before Sony removes the emulator? (1)

wmbetts (1306001) | more than 2 years ago | (#38420206)

I actually made something on my Wii several years ago. It was a fun experience and I wouldn't have had it if it wasn't for something like this. Not everyone is out to just pirate games.

Re:How long before Sony removes the emulator? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#38420472)

Do you not realize that homebrew is a way to play pirated software?

Do you not realize that a VCR or a DVD recorder is a way to pirate? Let me give you a hint as to why it's legal to sell a VCR in my country: substantial noninfringing use. Some people are, shall I say, obsessive about porting SDL or Allegro to every handheld platform so that open source games can run on it.

And sony has never fucked their customers, ever.

Not literally, but Sony has removed features that were selling points. The feature of being able to dual-boot Linux and the game OS was a selling point of the original PS3, but Sony took away Other OS as of the first game disc that came with PS3 system software 3.21 or later.

But sadly youre a fanboy of a system and anti fanboy of another system, you dont play games because you play systems which makes you a pseudo gamer.

I play games. I just happen to play specific games that a certain console maker doesn't make it easy for the community to port to its platform.

Re:How long before Sony removes the emulator? (1)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | more than 2 years ago | (#38420998)

Do you not realize that a VCR or a DVD recorder is a way to pirate?

Not only that: a camera is enough to pirate copyrighted works. Hell, even a god damn pencil and some paper is enough! There doesn't really exist anything at all whatsoever that can't be used for piracy in one way or another and the only way of truly preventing people from pirating is to always have someone stand behind them and watch. And even that would work only if you could always 100% count on that person watching them. As such banning uses based on the argument "it COULD THEORETICALLY be used for piracy!" is just illogical and downright customer-hostile.

Re:How long before Sony removes the emulator? (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421914)

Do you not realize that a VCR or a DVD recorder is a way to pirate?

Not easily.

First, most VCRs are made to fail when a Macrovision encoded signal is encountered. Yes, "made". Prior to Disney using Macrovision, most VCRs were loose enough that rendered it useless. By tightening up the AGC on the VCR, Macrovision screws up the signal and makes it difficult to copy.

DVD recorders are even easier - they detect a Macrovision encoded signal and shut down. (This is especially since DVDs do not always engage the "Macrovision Enable" bit during the movie - the DVDs pay for the amount of time it's on, so they only turn it on every now and again.).

Of course, anyone with a timebase corrector, or a "copyprotection stripper" like a GoDVD removes Macrovision and makes it possible to do a clean copy.

Re:How long before Sony removes the emulator? (2)

chilvence (1210312) | more than 2 years ago | (#38420798)

I have to protest your opinion. As a long time PC gamer, the thing that has always excited me the most is the fact that the platform is completely open. The very first time I managed to load the eclectic Doom Editor Utilities toolset and build a stupid two room wadfile was one of the most electrifying experiences I have ever had sat in front of a computer. It was the day for me that computer games stopped being arcane wizardry, and started being something I could understand and respect as a craft. The more I understood, the more I appreciated that every single facet of a game is painstakingly crafted with love and care (if its a good game...). Computer game developers ceased being indifferent, arrogant gods of art and code, and started being people that I could imagine seeing eye to eye with.

What all the console manufacturers in have always created, are closed systems, tightly locked castles where what happens inside is of no consequence to the presumptuous serfs that live outside, who only exist to be taxed and praise the Lords inside, and I would give my right arm for something to happen that would nip this in the bud and allow computer game development to become more inclusive and familiar to the millions that only consume it, who collectively have sacks of interesting and innovative ideas between them that live briefly for 10 minutes over a beer conversation and then die in silence as they return to 'plow the field'

I can't fundamentally find any reason for it to be this way, for gaming works to be created in secret dungeons in complete silence, when we all know several people who are artists in some other respect, a painter, a musician, a film maker, a writer - do these practicians of the established arts go to such extreme lengths to hide themselves and their creative processes, to presume that none other than they should have the right to create? No, In fact every single one I have ever met in my entire life has not only encouraged me to try as well, I have even been conscripted on several occasions to help, in my mere mortal life.

In my mind, the console divide is to computer games as the iron curtain was to Europe - pointless, imbecilic, disruptive and [hopefully] ultimately self defeating. Linking homebrew directly to piracy is flat out insulting. Giving someone a computer without allowing them the potential to program it would be like giving someone a Midi sound studio and telling them that they can only play music on it via midi files, and only ones that YOU approve of. It is...

Articide?

Re:How long before Sony removes the emulator? (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 2 years ago | (#38420874)

I think the real question is: what if allowing homebrewing allows someone to pirate something!? Someone, somewhere might or might not lose potential profit! The horror! It's the apocalypse!

Re:How long before Sony removes the emulator? (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421472)

Err, Computer game development is very inclusive, you can get SDL tools for your language of choice for free on your platform of choice and build something that's cross platform OR use any number of freely available engines out there.

What happens inside of a games console is very much a walled garden, because what's out there isn't that great. Driver conflicts, shitty OSes(including OSX; it's a better desktop OS than windows; but horrible to game on), cheating online, etc. etc. etc. just is a lousy experience.

Don't blame consoles for PCs not making the argument for their own existence as gaming devices obvious enough. You PC gamer guys had years to make a compelling case and you guys BLEW it. Absolutely.

Try again.

Re:How long before Sony removes the emulator? (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 2 years ago | (#38420880)

Do you not realize that homebrew is a way to play pirated software?

And? It could be abused, but I don't believe it should be banned (I wouldn't believe it should anyway). Someone may or may not be losing potential profit? So? Not enough of a reason to me to remove a feature (or something such as that).

Re:How long before Sony removes the emulator? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421018)

And sony has never fucked their customers, ever.

Heehee. Ever heard the word "rootkit"?

2/10, would not be trolled again.

Re:How long before Sony removes the emulator? (1)

neokushan (932374) | more than 2 years ago | (#38422422)

Sony do more than make games consoles, you know.

And hey, there's a laundry list of shit they're directly responsible for, like the rootkit, or that lovely little PSN clause which prevents you from taking them to court, or of course the removal of OtherOS and suing of homebrew developers.

Only idiots like you claim that homebrew == piracy. In the very early days of the PS3 CFW hacks, it wasn't actually possible to pirate games. Specifically, Geohot's method of running homebrew was designed to not enable piracy (Current methods of running pirate games on the PS3 involve a modified hypervisor with the PS3's internal BD-ROM emulator - geohot's FW didn't contain the necessary patches), yet the took him to court anyway, along with a bunch of other people who were only working on how to bring Linux back. In fact, the few people they didn't try to sue were the ones specifically doing piratey things.

Re:How long before Sony removes the emulator? (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421358)

errr

Or they could patch the bug.

Sony didn't remove the PSOne emulation layer when the Independence exploit got found out. They fixed the damn bug.

You can still view TIFF files on the PSP, despite the loads of TIFF exploits.

Games? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38420048)

Honestly, why bother? They haven't put out a decent title for any of the PS devices that wasn't some stripped down version of a PS 2 game that everyone's played to death already. Combine this with overpriced hardware and constantly shifting licensing strategies and you have... nothing. A total snooze. I wish they'd fold the whole thing and work on innovating again or stimulating the game design community to produce something genuinely interesting.

Homebrew (1)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 2 years ago | (#38420050)

Could there really be a possibility to something nice and finished come out from the hypothetical Vita homebrew scene (apart pirated games)? This is already quite a complex machine and it will take a while to get around it unless you have the commercial development power.

Homebrew (-1, Redundant)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 2 years ago | (#38420154)

Is there really a possibility to something finished come out from the Vita homebrew scene (but pirated games)? This is already quite a complex machine and it will take a while to get around it unless you have the commercial development power.

Homebrew, not piracy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38420334)

Lets hope this is the start of a true PSVita homebrew scene

Homebrew is great! Piracy, not so much. It's widely acknowledge that the original PSP had so many pirates that making games for it was uneconomic. Tragedy of the commons: everyone wants to pirate, buy hopes that everyone else will buy enough games that there's plenty of investment in making new games.

Homebrew done right is WebOS Internals [webos-internals.org] . Mature, with a strong code of ethics and a professional (but skeptical and independent) relationship with the vendor. Nobody speaks l33t in the WebOS homebrew community.

Here's hoping the PS Vita homebrew community is like that.

Cheers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38420792)

Jolly Good.

That's your wish? (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421382)

Lets hope this is the start of a true PSVita homebrew scene.

That's your wish?? As long as we're waxing hopeful how about,

"Let's hope this is a start of manufacturers finally opening their platforms." You don't WANT buffer overflows in your software.

No (2)

Arker (91948) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421760)

Lets hope this is the start of a true PSVita homebrew scene.

No, actually, let's not. Let's not build our homebrew scenes to rely on the likes of Sony, thanks.

/thinks the OP has gone full retard.

Cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421976)

I might have to get one now. Before this, I was really bummed about the prospects, but I shouldn't have underestimated the homebrew community's resolve.

Probably useless (2)

Jiro (131519) | more than 2 years ago | (#38422226)

When a newer system is able to function as an older one (the article, which looks poorly Babelfished, claims it's emulation, but it's probably some kind of virtualization), being able to hack into the older-system mode is usually useless in being able to hack into the system itself. Typically once the system goes into older-system mode it's too late to do anything because all the new functionality is disabled until the next boot, and even if not, the virtual machine can't touch it.

I have no doubt it's a real hack, but it's a PSP hack and isn't ever going to get us any more functionality than just hacking a PSP in the first place.

BS.. (4, Interesting)

SuperDre (982372) | more than 2 years ago | (#38422274)

It's not true that the PS-vita has been hacked.. All that was established is that the PSP-emulator does exactly what a real PSP does, because all the hacks that work on the original PSP also work on the PSP-emulator that runs on the PS-vita..

If the hacks didn't work there would be a big problem running PSP-games on the PS-vita anyway.. But then again, this is good news for original PSP-owners who now can get 'illegal' images of the UMD-games they already own and run them on the PS-vita (where you otherwise had to rebuy them, which ofcourse is ridiculous if you already own the original PSP-game).
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