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Good Riddance (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421510)

Kim Jong Il is now Kim Jong Dead.

Re:Good Riddance (4, Funny)

macraig (621737) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421796)

Didn't your momma ever teach you never to speak il of the dead?

Re:Good Riddance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421836)

Didn't your momma ever teach you never to speak il of the dead?

No, we never held to the believe that you could piss them off and have them come back and haunt you, which is why you're not supposed to speak ill of them.

Well, except Jesus. He'll kick your monkey ass, so look out.

It's a big deal (5, Informative)

BiggerBadderBen (947100) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421512)

Do you know how fucking important this guy was?

Re:It's a big deal (-1, Troll)

InsightIn140Bytes (2522112) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421544)

I think he was really cool guy too. Too bad because I was planning on visiting North Korea and now these news kinda ruin my trip. Interesting to see what happens next year there tho, maybe it's still worth the trip.

Re:It's a big deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421576)

It's okay. Fidel Castro is still alive, so you can make a trip to Cuba instead.

Re:It's a big deal (5, Funny)

mirix (1649853) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421634)

Why go to that horrible socialist country when you could go to the capitalist paradise that is Haiti?

Re:It's a big deal (2, Interesting)

InsightIn140Bytes (2522112) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421648)

Because some like traveling and seeing different cultures and places completely different from your own. This is why I always wanted to go to North Korea too. It would had been a great experience. Well, maybe I'll still go next year.

Re:It's a big deal (0)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421594)

I think he was really cool guy too.

Really? Like, it doesn't bother when a leader has people starving, and some in horrible prison camps, while he lives a life of luxury? That's not cool.

Let's be hopeful this will turn out better for the North Korean people.

Re:It's a big deal (-1, Troll)

InsightIn140Bytes (2522112) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421612)

In every country the king/leader/president lives a luxury life. What his life cost wouldn't had changed anything on that scale. I suggest you try running such a poor country and end starving. You can go start from Africa, Cambodia, Burma or countless of other countries.

Re:It's a big deal (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421674)

I suggest you try running such a poor country and end starving.

I swear to you I could do better than Kim Jong Il. I would start by allowing free speech, criticism of the government. That alone would make me a better leader.

But I think you are a troll, otherwise you wouldn't be praising Kim Jong Il. Also, Cambodia doesn't have famine anymore, that was decades ago.

Re:It's a big deal (1)

InsightIn140Bytes (2522112) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421694)

I swear to you I could do better than Kim Jong Il. I would start by allowing free speech, criticism of the government. That alone would make me a better leader.

Yes, true armchair general here. Do you really think it would do good to make such radical change? Hell, it doesn't even work for China. The people won't accept that change.

Good example is Thailand where it's unlawful to call the king with names. This while in fact the king himself has said that people should be able to do so and they should be allowed to criticize him. But the people love him and just won't allow that law to be taken off. They want punishment for people who do so, even while the king himself doesn't.

You really need to think effects such actions would do. It seriously isn't just as straightforward as "there you go, free speech to all".

Re:It's a big deal (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421802)

You really need to think effects such actions would do. It seriously isn't just as straightforward as "there you go, free speech to all".

I know of no case in history where free speech has caused the freedoms which you imagine. Free speech is a human right.

Re:It's a big deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421800)

Well, that or he's from North Korea. Some documentarians have made it in and out of DPRK, and Our Most Glorious and Exalted Leader isn't just lip service for some... many of those people really have had that insanity pounded into them. Shit is fucked up.

Re:It's a big deal (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421726)

Spoken like a true yank.

Hint: Africa isn't a fucking Country

Re:It's a big deal (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421596)

Kim Jong Il was a pletty cool guy. He had mol lice than anybody and didn't aflaid of anything.

Re:It's a big deal (0)

plague911 (1292006) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421614)

..... you thought that Kim Jong Il was a "cool guy"........wtf dude I think you just won the award for worst taste in the world..... If you put him in a room full of pedophiles and sociopaths you would not be able to pick that guy out of the bunch.

Re:It's a big deal (-1, Troll)

InsightIn140Bytes (2522112) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421640)

What was so wrong with him? He tried to improve his country and sometimes did so too. If you have had a closer look at North Korea you'd know that they aren't technologically so much behind. They even have a huge intranet in the country. He maintained good relations to China and Russia. You just hate him because you're from US.

He wasn't even leading the country for that long, and it was in poor state before his leadership.

Re:It's a big deal (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421710)

Wow, this is the must uniformed comment that I have seen in a while. Pyongyang was an amazingly advanced city for him and his cronies. For everyone else though... not so much. North Korea has one of the worst starvation rates in the world (so bad that many areas have resorted to cannibalism at different points over the last 20 years). And meanwhile, South Korea has been desperately trying to send food to them through the Sunshine Policy of asking for nothing in return for the aid. They had to end the sunshine policy, though, because Our Dear Leader kept blowing things up, like South Korean submarines, or launching ICBMs for no clear reason. When you add in the constant kidnappings, such as those of Japanese women that he turned into sex slaves and refused to return, you have a pretty messed up place.
In fact I cannot even imagine the kind of person who would want to defend North Korea or the lunacy of Kim Jung Il. At least with the nasty military junta of Burma, it is easy to understand the motivations of the government. But, for heaven's sakes, Kim Jung Il claimed to be decedent from a god and he invented the hamburger! Ignorance is one thing, but if it is not that then it just makes me kind of sick.

Re:It's a big deal (0)

plague911 (1292006) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421730)

Whats wrong with him? lol

He is directly responsible for many thousands of deaths ,clearly psychotic and looks and acts like a pedophile/general nut job? and you ask whats wrong with him?

You really do deserve the lifetime achievement award for no taste at all and should seriously get proffesional help if you honestly think that he is a "cool guy". Or you are trolling.

Re:It's a big deal (1)

InsightIn140Bytes (2522112) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421746)

Why are you constantly calling him a pedophile? Or is that a lame attempt to discredit him?

Re:It's a big deal (0)

plague911 (1292006) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421788)

No its a strait forward attempt to discredit you by pointing out that you think this this guy is "cool" despite his obviously massive "creep factor" . This is the kind of guy that if he walked into a room families would just pull their kids close and tell them to not go near that guy. Seriously dude if you think this guy is "cool" and are not just trolling check yourself.

Re:It's a big deal (1)

SharkLaser (2495316) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421822)

So you try to discredit his points by knowingly lying that Kim Jong II was a pedophile. Stick to facts and maybe then people would take you more seriously. If he indeed was such a bad guy, why do you have a need to lie about him?

Re:It's a big deal (1)

atriusofbricia (686672) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421792)

Why are you constantly calling him a pedophile? Or is that a lame attempt to discredit him?

No, I'm pretty sure the abject poverty of the country plus the thousands (at the least) of dead from hunger and such do that all by themselves. You know what the best thing Kim Jong il did was? Die.

Re:It's a big deal (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421774)

Please tell us you're trolling. I can't believe anyone in their right mind would mourn one of the worst tin pot dictators the world has ever had to endure. Millions of North Koreans died of famine under Kim Jong Il's so-called leadership in the late 90s and countless others were condemned to horrid gulag-like prisons, many summarily executed for being political prisoners or trying to escape the country. He wasn't a "cool guy" by any stretch of the imagination and hopefully he's rotting in hell now, if there's such a place.

I know it's been in vogue for the last decade to hate the U.S. because of the Iraq invasion and support any third world tyrant, no matter how dreadful an oppressor, that "stands up" to our country, but KJI deserves nothing more than to go down in history with the likes of Stalin and Hitler in terms of sheer awfulness.

Re:It's a big deal (3, Insightful)

M. Baranczak (726671) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421678)

Taking a brutal dictator seriously is exactly the wrong approach. I'd rather remember him as a supporting character in a lowbrow puppet comedy. I won't bother to post the YouTube link, since there's already two or three up here.

Re:It's a big deal (4, Insightful)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421748)

Some 0.1 percent of his subjects will now kill themselves in mourning. Is that enough of an appreciation of how important he was?

He was a bad man. bent on nuclear proliferation and providing arms to our enemies. He starved millions of his own people to death. He dedicated something like 1.5 million man-years to the reception of former US president Jimmy Carter.

That's moot now. His son may be coherent, or the military cabal that kills him may be. The news item is that the situation just became fluid. I hope the State department isn't on Christmas break for this one.

Hmmm (4, Funny)

JimboFBX (1097277) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421518)

"Kim probably had a stroke in August 2008 and may have also contracted pancreatic cancer, according to South Korean news reports."

The newspaper continued... "We aren't sure which blow dart hit him but it was probably both"

Re:Hmmm (4, Funny)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421740)

"Kim probably had a stroke in August 2008 and may have also contracted pancreatic cancer, according to South Korean news reports."

The newspaper continued... "We aren't sure which blow dart hit him but it was probably both"

That's what the papers said, we all know in truth he died from rownriness.

And now the danger begins (5, Interesting)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421536)

This is actually not a welcome event, the heir apparent is only 29 years old and hasn't really integrated himself into the communist party and army power structures. Compare that to his father who was 52 when Kim Il Sung died and had been filling various senior posts for at least a few decades by that point. A power struggle within the army/party could be bad as it could destabilize the country and/or convince the struggling powers to do something rash with the military in an attempt to curry favor. Guess we will have to wait and see.

Re:And now the danger begins (4, Interesting)

InsightIn140Bytes (2522112) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421562)

I wonder what it will mean for Burma/Myanmar also. They're both trade embargoed by US countries that have done a lot of business together. It's rumored that there's been North Korean engineers working in Burma and building huge underground bases for nuclear weapon testing.

Re:And now the danger begins (4, Interesting)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421832)

US secretary of state Hillary Clinton just visited Burma to establish the beginnings of hopefully will be a long a productive relationship. Both for the US, and the people of Burma. But I don't like coincidence. Something tells me either the US or Burma knew Kim Jong Il was on his deathbed and they wanted to establish a plan 'B' ahead of time.

Re:And now the danger begins (1)

CheshireDragon (1183095) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421566)

Which might make him more manageable to the US being that young. I am sure if he doesn't comply he will be gone soon.

Re:And now the danger begins (4, Insightful)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421814)

Which might make him more manageable to the US being that young. I am sure if he doesn't comply he will be gone soon.

He'll be gone for what replacement? If the US goal is to "manage" the region and/or head of state, well... the US doesn't have the best track record for placing people in power in foreign governments.

Re:And now the danger begins (5, Informative)

addie (470476) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421580)

I agree completely that this isn't welcome, but don't underestimate the degree to which Kim Jong Un has been integrated into the power structure. Although from April 2009, there's an excellent article on Foreign Policy [foreignpolicy.com] about the efforts to get him and his allies into key posts.

Having lived in Korea for almost six years (but since moved away) this news is disturbing and unsettling. While I don't predict anything drastic like a war, Kim Jong Un is going to have to prove himself to the people. If that means sinking another ship like the Cheonan, or shelling another island, or worse... then everyone on the peninsula should be prepared.

Re:And now the danger begins (0)

Dan East (318230) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421602)

I'm not sure the status quo was exactly welcome either. This is an opportunity for a change for the better, and those types of changes are seldom easy or without turmoil. Is there any nation on earth whose people have less freedom and rights than the North Koreans? Are any other citizens as repressed and controlled as they are? Again, I don't see how any opportunity for positive change, even if incremental, can be considered unwelcome.

Re:And now the danger begins (2)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421798)

But on the flip side is there anyone else who has a better quality of life than the Korean elite? I mean look how Kim Jong Il lived, . He had a group of people dedicated to finding him beautiful young women to sleep with, he had an armada of fast cars and a country in which there were no other motorists to to get in the way, not to mention the best booze and food that the planet had to offer, not even the rich in the west lived it up like him, people tend not to give up such lifestyles without a fight.....

Stability seems overrated (3, Interesting)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421818)

It seems to me that unless you are going to prop up such regimes indefinitely then you have to countenance the possibility of messy change at some point and absent any specific risks at a given point in time the sooner they better as dangerous technologies (such as nuclear) are almost certainly going to be more commonplace the longer you leave it.

Re:And now the danger begins (3, Insightful)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421820)

Actually, this is probably good. It takes a lot of political skill to maintain a dictatorship in the face of all of the normal crises in addition to quelling uprisings. I'd make the argument that a dictator is the highest form of politician since you don't even have the legitimacy of a crown to validate your power. An unprepared heir to a dictator won't likely be able to maintain the current state. Odds are, the military has seen the damage done by KJI and will tack back to a more accessible government; assuming they take over.

North Korean State television Says... (5, Funny)

Scott Swezey (678347) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421546)

North Korean State television Says Kim Jong Il died peacefully in his sleep while bowling a 300. (Via @NickGreene on Twitter)

Re:North Korean State television Says... (5, Informative)

dakameleon (1126377) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421646)

The true report is even funnier, that he died from mental and physical exhaustion from his dedication to improving the country. Can't make that stuff up.

Re:North Korean State television Says... (-1, Troll)

InsightIn140Bytes (2522112) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421660)

Well, it's not that far either. Quite modest and honest report actually. I doubt it would be easy for you to run North Korea either, while rest of the world is breathing on your back.

Re:North Korean State television Says... (5, Funny)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421690)

N. Korean Astroturfer.

Re:North Korean State television Says... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421782)

Only very high level party apparatchiks even have internet access in North Korea. It's more likely he's Chinese, who seem to think that the PRK are backwater hicks, but that it's still a nice vacation spot. Their money goes so far there, and it's easy to bed down the stupid yokel girls.

Re:North Korean State television Says... (1)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421756)

That's funny. I just heard a slightly different story on talk radio -

Kim Jong Il was found dead at NORTH KOREA UNDERGROUND MEGALAIR this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to SUPER POWER WORLD DEATHMATCH BONUS ROUND 4. Truly a NORTH KOREA icon.

Meh (5, Insightful)

spaceplanesfan (2120596) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421548)

World has now one asshole less.

Re:Meh (-1, Troll)

InsightIn140Bytes (2522112) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421586)

What makes him an asshole? He was in a really difficult position. He played lots of mind games with US, South Korea and rest of the world because he had to. This whole thing predates his leadership.

Re:Meh (0)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421618)

Oh, I don't know.. Literally starving his people to death while sipping cognac and living like a king.

Re:Meh (-1, Troll)

InsightIn140Bytes (2522112) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421676)

That happens elsewhere too. You really need to think about the scale of things. Whatever that cognac cost would not had end the starving. You can't really run a country either if you're starving yourself.

Re:Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421680)

Oh, I don't know.. Literally starving his people to death while sipping cognac and living like a king.

You mean like if he was the 1%? And inb4 North Korea's 1% is more like 0.1% which is irrelevant. Rich peoples fuck the poor over. Or did you expect him to live in a cardboard box until the last of North Korean get wealthy? Do you expect your president to live in cardboard box for as long as there are poor american?

Until this regime is over, everything you heard about North Korea is worthless propaganda.

Re:Meh (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421622)

Yeah, boo hoo.

He was an asshole and the world is better off without him.

Now if only there were more North Koreans on Facebook.

Re:Meh (5, Informative)

addie (470476) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421632)

Maybe dining on lobsters and imported cognac while up to 3.5 million [wikipedia.org] of his citizens died of starvation. If that doesn't count, then I'm not sure what does.

The famine occurred only just after he took power, so I guess you can argue that the blame is on Kim Il Sung and years of juche ideology. But make no mistake, Kim Jong Il was not a naive little boy trapped by circumstance. He was an egocentric sociopath who lived a life of luxury as his country struggled in abject poverty.

Re:Meh (-1)

blahplusplus (757119) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421772)

"Maybe dining on lobsters and imported cognac while up to 3.5 million [wikipedia.org] of his citizens died of starvation. If that doesn't count, then I'm not sure what does."

The same happens in western nations to the poor it just happens through economic suffocation, offshoring and low wages not to speak of those sent off to war over human history by western powers. The whole idea that just because you're not starving doesn't mean you're not suffering severely is bs. Since health is directly related to social status.

Re:Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421784)

think of him like america vs rest of the world then right?

Re:Meh (5, Informative)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421652)

This is what makes him an asshole [wikipedia.org] . And this [wikipedia.org] . And this [wikipedia.org] . Any dictatorship that refuses to allow free speech criticizing the government is violating the rights of its citizens.

He played lots of mind games with US, South Korea and rest of the world because he had to.

Or he could have made peace, like South Korea tried with the Sunshine Policy [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Meh (0, Troll)

InsightIn140Bytes (2522112) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421722)

Why do you think free speech is good for the humankind, overally? There are many issues with it too, just like there is with true democracy. Most countries in the world aren't even democracy, they're republic, just for the reason that true democracy would make things worse. For example, majority would really trump on some minority and would likely even attempt to make law to kill them.

Re:Meh (3, Insightful)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421762)

Dude, stick to your script of bashing google.You can't tell a Democracy from a direct Democracy [wikipedia.org] from a Republic [wikipedia.org] . You can't tell free speech from a majority voting system, and think that because something isn't perfect, it should be tossed out. And finally, you just make up shit when you say "and would likely even attempt to make law to kill them".

In short, you're either a giant troll, or an even bigger moron. Your Google bashing is pretty subtle at this point, but the rest is really junky.

Re:Meh (4, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421780)

Why do you think free speech is good for the humankind, overally?

Well, this is basic civics, I'm surprised you didn't learn this somewhere. You might want to pick up a good book about governments and learn this basic stuff.

Freedom of speech, that is the ability to criticize the government, is important, because then the people can change the government if they decide they don't like it. Search for the meaning of "the pen is mightier than the sword" if you'd like more information on that topic.

We can demonstrate empirically that democracies overall have been better for humankind, this is history. From a theoretical standpoint, you may have a king who is better, more efficient, and more just than a democracy would be. However, inevitably he will have a son, or grandson who is not such a good king, and monarchies have no good system for removing bad leaders like democracy does. Democracy doesn't guarantee a good government, but it guarantees that the people will have the government they deserve.

Re:Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421808)

This is what makes him an asshole [wikipedia.org] . And this [wikipedia.org] . And this [wikipedia.org] . Any dictatorship that refuses to allow free speech criticizing the government is violating the rights of its citizens.

He played lots of mind games with US, South Korea and rest of the world because he had to.

Or he could have made peace, like South Korea tried with the Sunshine Policy [wikipedia.org] .

Are you aware that North Korean culture is different from the West's? Maybe they don't care so much about free speech, and considering the situation they are in I wouldn't blame them. Partly because they're in the shit, partly because of the economic sanctions, they don't have enough food - hungry people do not care about free speech and they do not think long term.

The reason North Korea didn't (and won't) make peace with South Korea is this would be a bad move. An external enemy is essential to maintain control, even more when the internal situation is unstable or the economy isn't doing well. Their "war" is good for both Koreas: South Korea gets to play "come on, can't we all get along?" while North Korea can play "we're at war, work harder and don't ask questions or we will lose".

Re:Meh (5, Insightful)

QuailRider (853479) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421752)

What makes him an asshole? He was in a really difficult position. He played lots of mind games with US, South Korea and rest of the world because he had to. This whole thing predates his leadership.

What makes him an asshole? Are you serious? Lets see... making sure his army was fed before anyone else while watching over a million (!) civilians starve to death. Forced labor camps with conditions not much better than Nazi concentration camps. Clandestine kidnapping of Japanese nationals. Stunts like the unprovoked sinking of his neighbor's vessels, and firing medium range missiles over the border, then stamping his feet like a spoiled brat with demands for increased food aid. Shooting of tourists for wandering away from their "resort" compound. Aggressively pursuing nuclear weapons and military might while ensuring that his people were too hungry and scared to revolt. Establishing a god-king cult of personality. Having anyone who wants to leave that hellhole of a country executed on the spot. Punishing entire families (including small children) for "crimes" of individuals. Secretly compiling a vast store of luxury goods and spirits for disbursement to his party elite, while claiming to be a shining example of humble socialist perfection. Raising his son to believe he's the rightful heir to the universe, thereby ensuring that the cycle of arrogance and brutality continues for another generation. That, my dear reader, fulfills my definition of a grade A asshole.

What? Snoooooooooze (0)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421554)

Dude, this is so like 3 hours ago. I'm so over it like now already. yeah... so like wow.. whoa, late to the party all the time huh? nice shoes... where did you like ... buy them? buster brown?

Good riddance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421556)

Strike two against the Axis of Evil.

And nothing of value was lost. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421582)

What a huge shame it is that Hitchens didn't live to see this, after a lifetime of opposition to everything that the mad midget of NK was...

Is there any news about what will happen to the country now? Who inherits his harems and little girl slaves? What about the fucking craziness? Will it be like Apple when Jobs kicked it: plenty of assholes left to fill the gap?

Still. It's a relief that this ego-maniacal bastard is finally dead, though it should have been long ago.

Re:And nothing of value was lost. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421732)

Or maybe God was trying to send Hitchens a message?

All smiles over here! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421592)

South Korean currently living in London. Enjoying a beer and and grinning from ear to ear!

And so passes the greatest golf legend of all time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421598)

His epic 11 holes in one on his first round will be remembered for all time

Guess that's why... (1)

neiko (846668) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421638)

God could not help out Tebow this afternoon, had bigger things on his plate.

china is pro NK so when you buy your apple stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421642)

china is pro NK so when you buy your apple stuff you are helping NK and helping them build nukes.

Re:china is pro NK so when you buy your apple stuf (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421786)

china is pro NK so when you buy your apple stuff you are helping NK and helping them build nukes.

Yes, every time you buy an Apple product made in China, a North Korean boils a kitten for dinner.

69, 70, by some.... (1)

CheshireDragon (1183095) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421644)

It is really that hard to figure out his BDAY?! 69! DAMN!

Re:69, 70, by some.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421656)

Koreans count age differently. Plus, there are doubts as to the real birthdate.

Re:69, 70, by some.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421734)

Given that he was in the position to say he was born on whatever date he wanted to be, I'd say yes.

He's probably been 29 for the last 40 years. Some people just don't take turning 30 very well. ;)

Unfortunately, this story isn't available in NK (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421650)

They're still censoring it, and everything else, because it's disrespectful to his glorious and immortal majesty.

Also because of the people who will be calling for a revolution to overthrow the new one.

He was Il (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421664)

Yes, I heard he was very Il.

Kim Jong Il, (4, Funny)

pecosdave (536896) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421666)

Along with Bin Laden, Gaddafi, and Steve Jobs all inside a year.

The world is still not running out of assholes.

Re:Kim Jong Il, (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421716)

The year is not over. There is still time to add Hugo Chavez to this list. He has cancer and it is reportedly a lot worse than Chavez and company is admitting. The Miami Herald reported a month or two ago, that he will likely be gone in six months.

Re:Kim Jong Il, (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421758)

Because Steve Jobs killed thousands of people, ran concentration camps, and generally made the world worse for wear?

What sort of fucking moron do you have to be, to even remotely think that Steve Jobs is in the same league of "evil" as these people?

I'm not speaking as an Apple fanboy here (I don't even own a single Apple product). I'm simply speaking as someone who can tell that there is a VERY big difference between Bin Laden and Bill Gates. But if you can't see that for yourself, by all means- continue comparing entrepreneurs to tyrants, dictators, and terrorists. Maybe once you've lived under one for a few years, you'll want your consumer electronic CEOs back, along with everything else that encompasses whatever your warped perception of modern society.

-AC

Goodnight, funnyman. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421670)

probably a bit of a thug but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421686)

brutal head of North Korea

citation needed.

I don't really know that much about N.Korea, but from most image/video I've seen trickle out, it looks a good deal more upscale than the hyped to the hilt "next superpower" India.

I can only extrapolate that Manmohan Singh is a even more brutal head of India.

Christopher Hitchens (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421728)

It's a pity Christopher Hitchens wasn't around to read about Kim Jong-Il's death.

How does this qualify as a slashdot item??? (0, Offtopic)

BudAaron (1231468) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421736)

I don't see anything even slightly technican here???

Re:How does this qualify as a slashdot item??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38421824)

But it is "stuff that matters"

Seriously, the "it's not tech why is it on /.?" meme wasn't even funny 10 years ago. Go troll Digg for awhile.

Updates on the current situation insid North Korea (5, Informative)

Kagura (843695) | more than 2 years ago | (#38421766)

Update from inside North Korea: 12 Days of Mourning for Kim announced http://www.dailynk.com/english/read.php?cataId=nk01700&num=8553 [dailynk.com]

North Korea has announced that it has entered a period of formal mourning following the death of Kim Jong Il lasting from the 17th, the day of his passing, until the 29th.

The news was released in a brief communiqué in the name of the ‘State Funeral Committee’.

Chosun Central News Agency announced the news, stating, “The body of National Defense Commission Chairman Kim will lie in state at Kumsusan Memorial Palace during the period of mourning from the 17th to the 29th. Visitors will be received between the 20th and 27th. The ceremony for his parting will be performed on the 28th in Pyongyang.”

“Central memorial meetings to honor Chairman Kim will open on the 29th,” it went on. “At that time in Pyongyang and sites in every province there will be an artillery salute and 3 minutes silence, and all official vehicles and vessels will sound their horns.”

Second update: NK Borders Ordered Closed Before Death Announcement http://www.dailynk.com/english/read.php?cataId=nk01700&num=8549 [dailynk.com]

North Korean border guard units received orders at 1AM on the night of the 18th to close the border with China with immediate effect.

An inside military source told Daily NK this morning, “At 1AM on the night of the 18th a ‘Special Guard’ order was handed down to the unit. All officers who had finished work were recalled to the base and have been on emergency duty ever since.”

“At the time even commanding officers did not know about the contents of the order, and as per the order to completely close the border, normal patrols in groups of two were stepped up to groups of four. We only learned that the General had died from special broadcasts,” the source added.

Thus, it is clear that the North Korean authorities took steps to avert civilian unrest and potential mass defection attempts by shutting down the border and reinforcing patrols prior to announcing Kim’s death.

Third update: NK Shuts Down on News of Death http://www.dailynk.com/english/read.php?cataId=nk01500&num=8552 [dailynk.com]

Following the official announcement of Kim Jong Il's death today, North Korea has imposed rigid social controls, including the complete closure of markets.

An inside source told Daily NK this lunchtime, "The jangmadang is closed and people are not allowed to go outside. Local Party secretaries are issuing special commands through local Union of Democratic Women unit chairwomen, and the chairwomen have been gathered at district offices for emergency meetings."

According to the source, National Security Agency and People’s Safety Ministry agents have been deployed in streets and alleyways to control civilian movements. There have not been any signs of public unrest to date.

Kim Jong Il's sudden death has apparently caught people off-guard, the source revealed, commenting, "Nobody had the slightest idea about the General’s death even right before they saw the broadcast. You can hear the sound of wailing outside."

That news agency gets the majority of their info by cell phone conversation with North Koreans who live along the Chinese/Russian border, which is how we're able to get updates from the inside.

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