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US Chamber of Commerce Infiltrated By Chinese Hackers

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the security-through-insecurity dept.

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SpzToid writes "The Wall Street Journal is now reporting that a group of hackers in China breached the computer defenses of the United States Chamber of Commerce. The intrusion was quietly shut down in May 2010, while FBI investigations continue. 'A spokesman for the Chinese Embassy in Washington, Geng Shuang, said cyberattacks are prohibited by Chinese law and China itself is a victim of attacks. ... Still, the Chamber continues to see suspicious activity, they say. A thermostat at a town house the Chamber owns on Capitol Hill at one point was communicating with an Internet address in China, they say, and, in March, a printer used by Chamber executives spontaneously started printing pages with Chinese characters.'" According the article, the group "gained access to everything stored on its systems" and may have "had access to the network for more than a year before the breach was uncovered."

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errr (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38447648)

a printer used by Chamber executives spontaneously started printing pages with Chinese characters.'"

Did you try switching it off then back on again?

Re:errr (5, Insightful)

Artea (2527062) | more than 2 years ago | (#38447676)

Somehow I suspect these "Chinese characters" were just random ASCII characters you tend to see when a client with a corrupt printer driver tries to print. When some security official comes around asking about anything suspicious, John Executive takes to opportunity to jump up and do his part for national security!

Re:errr (1)

interfecio (1023595) | more than 2 years ago | (#38447704)

Corrupt printer driver? Have you ever tried to stop a printer from printing a page?

Re:errr (1)

RivenAleem (1590553) | more than 2 years ago | (#38447706)

My ribbon printer (Image writer 2) for my old old Apple Mac used to do that when you asked it to print draft. Never figured out why, but now you make me think of it, it seems like the right reason.

Re:errr (2)

SJHillman (1966756) | more than 2 years ago | (#38447788)

I used to get a lot of calls that one of our four LaserJet 4250's was "printing in Chinese" again. Most of the characters were simple ASCII squares, arrows, smiley faces, etc... not even a resemblance to Chinese but that's what people called it since it didn't use the standard English alphabet.

Re:errr (0)

Talderas (1212466) | more than 2 years ago | (#38447822)

I have a printer driver that doesn't play nice with Firefox. The printer can't properly recognize the fonts used by Firefox so it prints out garbage characters. Now if I tell the printer to download the fonts rather than using embedded fonts it works just fine. Everyone would call the garbage characters Chinese.

Re:errr (0)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 2 years ago | (#38447872)

Everyone who is an idiot, maybe.

Re:errr (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 2 years ago | (#38447976)

Zing

Re:errr (2)

Talderas (1212466) | more than 2 years ago | (#38449120)

Right. The average user.

Re:errr (1)

BattleApple (956701) | more than 2 years ago | (#38450174)

Even if the person that found the printout was that stupid, I'm hoping think the government translators would have picked up on it.

Re:errr (2)

Anarki2004 (1652007) | more than 2 years ago | (#38449864)

I think that faux Chinese is what some people refer to as "moonspeak". Correct me if I'm wrong here.

Re:errr (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38448264)

Yeah, that part of the summary amused me. It's as if the following took place somewhere in China:

Good work, now print out that data you've discovered.
Yes sir... it should be on the printer now.
There's nothing here, what printer did you send it to?
Doh!!!!

Re:errr (3, Funny)

Synerg1y (2169962) | more than 2 years ago | (#38449468)

The hackers wanted to damage the US physically by using precious toner and paper as well as wearing down the printer parts.

Re:errr (1)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 2 years ago | (#38449750)

Investigators are not that naive.

Re:errr (1)

g0bshiTe (596213) | more than 2 years ago | (#38448114)

I'd say install the proper drivers and stop using the PostScript drivers. PS drivers tend to do that with excel spreadsheets.

Re:errr (1)

trum4n (982031) | more than 2 years ago | (#38448118)

Or maybe translating the page it yielded?

Re:errr (3, Funny)

Megane (129182) | more than 2 years ago | (#38448322)

I remember back around '04 or so, there was a virus that wanted to spread itself via SMB shares. If it managed to contact a printer, it somehow thought it was a file share and tried to copy its code over. This would result in hundreds of pages (thank you HP for form feed support in whatever printer language this was) being printed with a few garbage characters on each page. One printer actually wore out some rollers from having to do this.

But yeah, your average ID-10T couldn't identify a Chinese character from any other mojibake [wikipedia.org] even if it tried to cook him fried rice.

This is good news (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38447708)

a printer used by Chamber executives spontaneously started printing pages with Chinese characters.

Finally we've tracked down that bad printer driver to China.

Idiots. (1, Insightful)

unity100 (970058) | more than 2 years ago | (#38447712)

Well deserved. Any organization that handles sensitive data, but puts even thermostats to internet as controllable online, deserve hacking.

Dont blame chinese. the hackers could as well be kiddies. Hell, it could as well be a random bot mistakenly and randomly gaining entry. Since the level of stupidity is as high as to put thermostats online as controllable from internet, go figure how did they treat rest of the network.

Re:Idiots. (5, Insightful)

whargoul (932206) | more than 2 years ago | (#38447990)

You're sound like the type that would blame the homeowner for keeping their doors unlocked instead of the intruder for going in without permission.

Re:Idiots. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38448350)

Could not have put it any better.

Re:Idiots. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38448558)

Doesn't mean it still isn't stupid. I wouldn't blame a homeowner if his house had the thermostat on the outside with a plastic box covering it, and someone smashed the box and turned the AC down to 50 in the summer while he was on vacation and racked up a $1000 electric bill. Wouldn't blame him at all. I'd blame the person who physically smashed the box and turned the dial down. But I'd still call the homeowner a moron for making like that easily accessible..

Some things don't need to be controlled from anywhere in the world. If someone needs to change the thermostat from Dubai, then put them on a private, internal network and control them from a machine with multiple layers of security that sits both on the private network and on one that's accessible from the VPN. It's not fail-safe, but from the way the article sounds, the thermostat probably had a public IP. That's just stupid. Even then, a good firewall restricting access to it from a whitelist of known-good IPs would probably be better than what they had, which I'm sure was very little.

In my example, the thermostat would never be communicating directly with any machines off of the private network set up for them. I would probably take it one step further and restrict access ONLY to the one machine responsible for controlling it, then just give access to that machine to the necessary operators. Yes, I know, someone can still spoof the MAC or IP of the controlling machine, blah blah blah, but that's an internal personnel problem and can be dealt with accordingly.

This goes for all the other control systems that get hacked as well. Not their "fault", per se, but in this day and age, they should have locked the damn door.

Re:Idiots. (4, Insightful)

VortexCortex (1117377) | more than 2 years ago | (#38448998)

As such a home owner, I would blame myself for leaving the door unlocked.
However, I would blame the intruder for getting shot, or mauled by my two pit bull terriers.

Re:Idiots. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38449214)

Getting shot by your two put bull terriers?

That sounds like the best home defense system ever.

Re:Idiots. (1)

jythie (914043) | more than 2 years ago | (#38449302)

Not as effective as a laser shark, but probably a lot more versatile.

Re:Idiots. (1)

swalve (1980968) | more than 2 years ago | (#38449956)

There is plenty of blame to go around. I would expect that a non-moron LAN admin would make sure the thermostats can't see or be seen from the exterior of the LAN.

Re:Idiots. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38449164)

"Dont blame chinese. the hackers could as well be kiddies."

Exactly.

China has what, 1/5th the world's population? has the most people on the internet of any country? 1 in 5 or near enough random non state sponsored hack attacks coming from China isn't exactly an unlikely coincidence is it?

Yet each time there's a hack attack "from a Chinese IP address" it's sold as "China hacked into the US".

Just a few months back at my old employer I had an automated attack attempt on one of our web servers from an IP in Colombia, and one from the US. Does this mean Colombia and the US were trying to hack into us?

America needs to stop trying to turn China into some demon country that's trying to destroy it. Really, if China wanted to destroy the US it could, it basically financially owns it. It's economy is doing pretty well regardless of whatever the fuck the US Chamber of Commerce is doing.

It's exactly the same type of bollocks Argentina tries to pull "Oh crap, we're in a political/economic mess at home, I know let's stir up some resentment over the Falklands again to divert attention". It's boring, it doesn't wash, and it only causes more problems in the world, so fucking quit it.

I don't see the problem (3, Informative)

overshoot (39700) | more than 2 years ago | (#38447750)

The US Chamber of Commerce is a lobbying organization -- it's not like they have Industrial Super Secrets. Besides, a high proportion of their clients are Chinese anyway and presumably have pretty good access to the organization already.

Re:I don't see the problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38447826)

Yes, but the hackers probably got to see entire drafts of legislation before even the bills' Congressional sponsors did.

Re:I don't see the problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38447938)

Yeah but grabbing and leaking a few documents detailing bribery & coercion of politicians would have been nice.

Chamber of Commerce Smear Campaign King and Irony (5, Informative)

FriendlyLurker (50431) | more than 2 years ago | (#38448282)

The US Chamber of Commerce is a lobbying organization -- it's not like they have Industrial Super Secrets. Besides, a high proportion of their clients are Chinese anyway and presumably have pretty good access to the organization already.

True, The Chamber Of commerce also hacks anyone [thinkprogress.org] who criticizes their illegal and immoral behaviour [nytimes.com] . HBGary Federal payback [salon.com] perhaps?

Re:Chamber of Commerce Smear Campaign King and Iro (2)

jythie (914043) | more than 2 years ago | (#38449324)

Yeah, but it is only 'hacking' when there is no profit involved... so what they did is considered 'ok'.

Re:I don't see the problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38448704)

I think you mean, "I don't see why this is a bigger problem than cracking other people's networks." It's obviously a problem for people to be breaking into others' systems; it's just that you're saying that the USCoC is nothing special. Right?

Re:I don't see the problem (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#38450134)

I think you mean, "I don't see why this is a bigger problem than cracking other people's networks." It's obviously a problem for people to be breaking into others' systems; it's just that you're saying that the USCoC is nothing special. Right?

It sounds, to me, like a combination of "Remember, no matter how hard they work to imply otherwise, the 'US Chamber of Commerce' is just a private lobbying group, not part of the government" and "Awww, so sad, couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of people."

I'm not a huge fan of internet security being a total free-fire zone; but the USCoC are pretty much slime, have been known to use dirty tricks themselves, so it just isn't feasible to exude too many tears for them.

And (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38447768)

That is why we need SOPA, oh wait a minute!!

"US Chamber" of Commerce (5, Informative)

lexman098 (1983842) | more than 2 years ago | (#38447814)

I'd just like to take this opportunity to point out how insidious it is to purposely label a highly partisan think tank with a name that is obviously meant to seem like a legit government agency.

Re:"US Chamber" of Commerce (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38447968)

I'm sorry I don't have mod points today or you would get a +1 informative from me. Most non-Americans don't know that small "detail".

Re:"US Chamber" of Commerce (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38448700)

Hell, most Americans don't know that small "detail".

Re:"US Chamber" of Commerce (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38448112)

"Think tank" is a bit generous, don't you think? "Bribery factory" is more like it.

Re:"US Chamber" of Commerce (1)

StuartHankins (1020819) | more than 2 years ago | (#38448476)

Thank you. I was uninformed. Sadly, I'm not surprised.

Re:"US Chamber" of Commerce (3, Informative)

JWW (79176) | more than 2 years ago | (#38448546)

Legit government agency?

Most cities of any reasonable size at all have Chamber of Commerce organizations. These are always made up of groups of businesses that belong to the private Chamber organization. Sure they work with government in their municipalities, but they are private organizations.

The name US Chamber of Commerce strikes me as being a national incarnation of the local concept. As such, I don't think its name construes that its a government group.

Re:"US Chamber" of Commerce (0)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | more than 2 years ago | (#38448856)

The Chamber of Commerce uses the name US to mislead people into thinking it is a federal agency. As such it should be removed.

The local chambers (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38449240)

The local chambers are non-profit entities whose purpose is promoting local businesses.

The US Chamber of Commerce is not this type of organization, nor is it affiliated with them in any way, but it has been intentionally named to mislead you into thinking it is.

Re:The local chambers (1)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 2 years ago | (#38450016)

The local chambers are non-profit entities whose purpose is promoting local businesses.

That's one purpose, and it depends on how you define "promote". They also have other purposes, such as local-level lobbying to influence zoning boards, municipal regulations, etc.

Where I grew up, they were also active in promoting unregulated capitalism (they called it free-market, though it isn't in the economic sense of the term free-market) in the schools. It's "funny" that they (local Chambers) sponsored programming in the high schools to educate students about political topics that the state-level Chamber was pushing for. My recollection of those assemblies, in-class speakers, etc was that they were unabashedly pushing the Chamber's viewpoint... though it's only in hindsight that I became aware of what they were doing.

There's a CoC in every town around here.... (1)

dfenstrate (202098) | more than 2 years ago | (#38449552)

Where did you grow up, such that you're utterly unaware of local Chambers of Commerce that are clearly non-governmental?

Seriously, they're in every town around here, and they're always running some booth at a fair or some charity event.

It's been well known to me, for years, that the local chamber of commerce is comprised of local business owners. I'm honestly not sure how anyone could be confused about the non-governmental status of any level of CoC.

Re:There's a CoC in every town around here.... (3, Interesting)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 2 years ago | (#38450130)

It's been well known to me, for years, that the local chamber of commerce is comprised of local business owners. I'm honestly not sure how anyone could be confused about the non-governmental status of any level of CoC.

Right - I think the more insidious aspect of the name "US Chamber of Commerce" is that it implies for many a parent organization to the local chambers of commerce.

Which isn't true - they're a nasty lobbying organization that happened to pick a name that borders on fraudulent misappropriation of mark. The local chambers have had to pend the past 5 years or so telling their communities, "no, that's not us."

Trademark protection? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38450194)

Maybe we should protect our trademarks. "US" and "Federal" for starters. Fedex is OK if they make the word all one color, Federal Express is not.

There is plenty of precedent for this. AFAIK, the seals and military medals are protected. Nobody is allowed to give out "authentic medal of honor replicas". That one might be a criminal act actually...

Thank you China (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38447820)

Do you think China will be willing to shut down the rest of our lobbies for us too? Then we maybe able to accomplish something in government.

Re:Thank you China (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38448100)

Do you think China will be willing to shut down the rest of our lobbies for us too? Then we maybe able to accomplish something in government.

I want our government accomplishing as little as possible! Everytime they get their butts in gear it's something like SOPA or DMCA or... OH! Sorry... I see your point now.

Re:Thank you China (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38449300)

The irony is the US Chamber of Commerce is a pro-China lobbying group. This hacking effort is accidental... someone probably plugged in a rootkit USB picture frame, like those that target and root Microsoft-branded operating systems.

Oh dear (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38447824)

It sounds like a cheesy horror film, a parody should be made.

Don't be confused (5, Insightful)

minderaser (28934) | more than 2 years ago | (#38447842)

The US Chamber of Commerce is a LOBBYING organization (y'know, some of the folks behind SOPA and other crap) and is NOT the US Department of Commerce, the cabinet department that (supposedly) promotes economic growth.

I'm having trouble feeling bad or worried about this.

Thermostat Infiltration Attack!!! (5, Funny)

germansausage (682057) | more than 2 years ago | (#38447846)

"A thermostat at a town house the Chamber owns on Capitol Hill at one point was communicating with an Internet address in China".

Hey Larry, does it seem a little warm in here today?

Yeah, it is kinda warm.

Oh my God! We've been hacked by the Chinese!!!

Re:Thermostat Infiltration Attack!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38447970)

That or its a preview of their vacation I'd love to send them on... You want SOPA? Go to hell

Re:Thermostat Infiltration Attack!!! (1)

alphred (1920232) | more than 2 years ago | (#38447974)

It was trying to phone home for additional instructions. Don't they all do that?

Re:Thermostat Infiltration Attack!!! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38447982)

You do realize they could attack the thermostat in the White House and get Obama to catch pneumonia?

Online home thermostat like have little security / (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#38448206)

Online home thermostat like have little security any ways or some one just left it on the default password. Hell maybe even they have a open wifi with no password or have it on WEP that is very easy to hack.

Honey- they're in- everybody's eggs! (1)

drainbramage (588291) | more than 2 years ago | (#38448490)

Pretty sure that was what General Curtis Goatheart told his wife when he determined their eggs were really an alien attack.
But that is beside the point.
What are the chances that all of those made in China net enabled thermostats have a default password and a default 'phone home' to a Chinese address?
Sure a default non routable address would be appropriate but that too is another issue for several manufacturers.

Re:Thermostat Infiltration Attack!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38450166)

First it's adjusting the thermostat at the Chamber of Commerce, next Global Warming!

Chamer of Commerce isn't a GOVERNMENT agency (4, Informative)

tekrat (242117) | more than 2 years ago | (#38447878)

It's a lobbying group for businesses. Therefore, the Chinese can hack away all they want with my blessing. No harm done.

In fact, considering the harm brought onto US citizens by the Chamber of Commerce, the more damage done to them by the Chinese, the better it is for American citizens.

Re:Chamer of Commerce isn't a GOVERNMENT agency (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38448866)

Harming business is good for American citizens? Care to explain how that works?

Re:Chamer of Commerce isn't a GOVERNMENT agency (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38449278)

Harming business is good for American citizens? Care to explain how that works?

Harming the US Chamber of Commerce is good for American citizens. There. All better now? Or do you need further explanation?

Re:Chamer of Commerce isn't a GOVERNMENT agency (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38449724)

When business does better, it's good for all Americans. The Chamber lobbies for less government burden on business. Less burden on business will mean more successful businesses, and that's good for me and you. Is this not clear? Or does your warped worldview prohibit you from understanding how this works?

There is certainly plenty of lobbying organizations that lobby for causes I am against, however, lobbying is enshrined in the first amendment of the Constitution, so I'm not against lobbying in general. Those on your side tend to want to ban lobbying when it comes from conservatives, but are perfectly happy with left wing lobbying organizations and union lobbying.

Re:Chamer of Commerce isn't a GOVERNMENT agency (1)

swalve (1980968) | more than 2 years ago | (#38450018)

Yeah, darn those pesky burdens. It's not like the legislature put them there for a reason.

Tripe (3, Interesting)

qualityassurancedept (2469696) | more than 2 years ago | (#38447910)

This story is ridiculous. It's not like the US Chamber of commerce does anything meaningful at all other than lobby for no taxes. Anyway, does anyone doubt that the NSA and CIA also hack into foreign servers and desktops to steal corporate data? I am sure that back when the Russians were developing MiG fighters the US "hacked" into their computers and stole all the blueprints or if they didn't, they would... and Boeing was/is the beneficiary of that. So honestly gimme a break. Why wouldn't the chinese develop their ability to attack american tech infrastructure? Since the US and China is probably going to go to war over Taiwan within 50 years, and the US will be attacking from the sea with Drones while a million chinese try to literally row their way over from the mainland, I think their best strategy is to learn to disable the American computer systems somehow.

Re:Tripe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38448156)

sure we could hack into china's servers but they have nothing to steal

Re:Tripe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38448362)

Since the US and China is probably going to go to war over Taiwan within 50 years.

Why on Earth would they do that? 90+% of Taiwanese people support reunification with mainland China - their only disagreement is when. The hyped-up "conflict" exists solely to allow US companies to sell more weapons.

Re:Tripe (1)

sesshomaru (173381) | more than 2 years ago | (#38448518)

Hacking into the Chamber of Commerce would let you know which government officials had shown themselves open to graft and bribery to sell out their constituents.

This is useful information for a foreign power to have.

Why hack the government, when you can hack the ones who really control the government?

Re:Tripe (1)

Type44Q (1233630) | more than 2 years ago | (#38449716)

I am sure that back when the Russians were developing MiG fighters the US "hacked" into their computers...

Yep, I can just picture a 60's-era NSA math nerd trying hacking into an abacus, using nothing more than a slide rule...

The Obvious (5, Insightful)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 2 years ago | (#38447942)

A thermostat at a town house the Chamber owns on Capitol Hill at one point was communicating with an Internet address in China

What the fuck is a thermostat doing being accessible from the internet?

Re:The Obvious (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38448080)

They're American, not their fault they're stupid.

Re:The Obvious (0)

g0bshiTe (596213) | more than 2 years ago | (#38448178)

That's not the point, the point is that they can now use it's webcam to snap compromising photos of them.

Re:The Obvious (2)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#38449080)

Also, to be fair, anything given a public IP address will be communicating with an Internet address in China before long.

Have the chineese never heard of proxies? (1)

BlueCoder (223005) | more than 2 years ago | (#38447994)

Seems to me it's more likely to be various Chinese teenage hackers.

The professionals are smart enough to realize that IP addresses from China are readily noticed.

Re:Have the chineese never heard of proxies? (1)

NicBenjamin (2124018) | more than 2 years ago | (#38448196)

I'm sure they've heard of proxies. That is how one gets around the Great Firewall, after all. I'm not sure they really care to keep their tracks covered. When you air videos of yourself doing a denial-of-service attack, using publicly available tools, on state TV OpSec is probably not your highest priority.

Their highest priority seems to be annoying influential people, who will then complain to the media. The media being technical doofuses breathlessly report that the Chinese Military owned Important American X, Chinese glory will be increased, the Chinese people will not think their government has sold out to American Corporations, etc.

Re:Have the chineese never heard of proxies? (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#38449108)

The professionals are smart enough to realize that IP addresses from China are readily noticed.

...and just as readily written off as "dirty Chinese hackers!" instead of being investigated.

Re:Have the chineese never heard of proxies? (1)

P-niiice (1703362) | more than 2 years ago | (#38449208)

I doubt the certainty of that. Anyone smart enough to hack a thermostat is smart enough to use proxies before doing so.

Dear Hackers: Thank You! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Meoward (665631) | more than 2 years ago | (#38448034)

To The Hackers This May Concern:

On behalf of all American citizens who understand the poisonous effects of lobbying on American democracy and society, I would like to thank you for your hard work. The US Chamber of Commerce is not a government agency, but may as well be so for all intents and purposes. It lobbies our elected officials to adopt policies that favor only big business, with the misguided belief that only laissez-faire capitalism will improve the American way of life. Nothing is further from the truth.

In short, you're doing us a favor.

If it's not too much to ask, could you please submit your findings to Wikileaks, or just post them on a publicly accessible blog? I think more of my countrymen should know about the inner workings of this nefarious herd of swine, and their attempts to sell naked greed as enlightened self-interest.

May we also interest you in targeting other groups, such as "The Club for Growth", "Americans for Prosperity", and "Crossroads GPS"? I'm sure you'd find them just as interesting.

Thanks again,
- Meoward

Re:Dear Hackers: Thank You! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38448510)

As a none American I dont understand all the fuss. It's just another undeclared war you have fought and lost. just use basic American poltical doctrine.

Declare victory and go home. Ah now I see the problem.

Re:Dear Hackers: Thank You! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38449612)

>> As a none American I dont understand all the fuss

We as Americans don't understand the fuss either... as OP pointed out, US Chamber of Congress is just a private lobbying firm for corporations. So they had a printer hacked (or maybe it was a bad print driver) and a thermostat communicating with an IP in China (which even if it is true is pretty inconsequential.) There is nothing to fuss about... I am baffled as to why this is newsworthy to anyone outside of their IT department. Frankly, even if I were working in their IT department, I wouldn't be losing any sleep over it.

>> It's just another undeclared war you have fought and lost.

I'd hardly call an unsubtantiated claim of a Chinese hacker accessing a private firms thermostat as having "won" anything. What war are you referring to, and how does this show that we have fought and lost in it?

Re:Dear Hackers: Thank You! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38449016)

Perfect example of what Slashdot has devolved to. It's easy to get modded up if you support a radical leftist/socialist/marxist viewpoint or attack conservatives or religious believers. This is why I only visit maybe once a month, when I used to be a daily reader. It's also why Slashdot's popularity has been declining for the past several years.

Re:Dear Hackers: Thank You! (2)

P-niiice (1703362) | more than 2 years ago | (#38449370)

Funny how your comment basically states that opposition to the Chamber is equivalent to hatred of the right wing. The chamber isn't a partisan group, right........? Also, I don't understand why anyone with any slight opposition to 150% control of all aspects of American life by corporations/people with excess money is automatically a nutbag communist socialist (heh) hellbent on enslaving god-loving conservatives and forcing them personally deliver their personal property and guns to illegal immigrant crack babies on welfare.

Re:Dear Hackers: Thank You! (1, Insightful)

Arcana Fu (650295) | more than 2 years ago | (#38449902)

Technically, partisan refers to Democrat or Republican... not conservative or liberal, so you're confused on that point. This is the technique all 'non partisan' organizations use to get tax exempt status. ThinkProgress is a 'non-partisan' organization, but they say on their website they are proudly liberal. However, I think the non-partisan label is ridiculous, because these days Republicans are entirely right-wing and Democrats are entirely left-wing. I am against 150% control of all aspects of my life from any entity, however I disagree with your characterization that corporations or people with money have that power. I could never buy another Pepsi for the rest of my life and Pepsi would have no power or control over me to do otherwise. The only entity with real power or control over my life is the government. I will never understand why you lefties don't realize that. You are perfectly happy with government reducing your freedoms in a real and draconian way, yet you wring your hands or march in the street because a company has the right to run an ad on TV supporting a political cause? Illogical.

Re:Dear Hackers: Thank You! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38449792)

... It's easy to get modded up if you support a radical leftist/socialist/marxist viewpoint or attack conservatives or religious believers.

Your forgot to mention secularist/environmentalist/Darwinist and a few other "ists". But don't be mad, bro...here, this will make it all better: www.foxnews.com

Re:Dear Hackers: Thank You! (1)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 2 years ago | (#38450088)

The Karl Rove strategy was to put together a group of single issue voters, energize the heck out of them, and shoot for narrow margin victories. Problem with that strategy is two fold.

The first is, these single issue voters would make it impossible to govern, if they win. The second is the demographic trends are against them.

Since 2000, 45 million Americans have attained voting age. About 15 million older Americans have passed away. Remember how they used anti-gay voter initiatives to increase their voter turn out in 2000 and 2004 elections. Notice they are largely absent from today's Republican moves. Forget the rhetoric and talk. Look at what they do and choose not to do. Republicans don't have the anti-gay vote block. Their margin of victory is too small to sustain too many of such vote-block losses.

The Democrats have surrendered on the gun issue. (Abjectly or strategically depending on your personal view point). Pro-gun initiatives and legislative action does not energize the base as much, does not produce as much donations and campaign contributions as it used to in 2000/2004 cycles.

The seeds of fracturing and long term collapse of the Republican party were sown by Karl Rove in 2000. Add to the mix the totally self serving media players, Limbaugh, Fox News etc whose interests do not coincide with the interests of the Republicans they are heading for serious trouble.

More information (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38448110)

Is there any more information on this other than WSJ claiming an attack happened?

Security? (1)

expo53d (2511934) | more than 2 years ago | (#38448116)

IHMO, any government/sensitive systems should be completely isolated from the internet. It surprises me that much of the US infrastructure is connected to the internet. Why does the US CoC need internet controlled thermostats? That just opens up vulnerabilities. On another note, why was the thermostat communicating with China? If these attacks were as professional as claimed and went undetected for a year, then you would suspect the "professional" hackers would use a proxy or some sort of onion routing. And the printer printing Chinese characters? Why would a hacker do that? And couldn't any "hacker" (not necessarily Chinese) have the printer print Chinese characters? The US will get its systems secured sooner to later, but if they don't secure it now by their will, they will be *forced* to secure it later.

Re:Security? (1)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 2 years ago | (#38448214)

Other than the fact that they own assorted members of Congress, the US Chamber of Commerce is not part of the US government, any more than the USA Network or the US Tennis Association is.

Re:Security? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38449052)

They where professionally hacked by 12 year olds who find that kind of stuff funny.

foxes sneaking into the fox house (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38448158)

Why didn't these guys just join the Chamber? They probably have the US's interest at heart just as much as the Chamber's leadership does.

Did I miss something? (1)

g0bshiTe (596213) | more than 2 years ago | (#38448234)

Simply because the IP traces back to China is not necessarily a "Chinese sanctioned" hack. It could very well be a Chinese server has been compromised from somewhere else in the world.

Should the Chinese government be looking to hack for secrets, I doubt they would choose the Chamber of Commerce for their target, much less leave the tracks leading right back home to them.

FUD is FUD.

More importantly... (1)

idbeholda (2405958) | more than 2 years ago | (#38448344)

Does anyone actually care?

what do "they" want? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38448896)

If you believe that it's the chinese state doing this, and for the sake of argument I'm going to assume that's the case, it's not that hard to see what they might gain: influence. The chamber of commerce is one of the top lobbying groups, and is an ideal target for inside information on how to carrot/stick our elected representatives. To say nothing of, for example, blackmailing them with a recording of a conversation they had where they agreed to support a chamber initiative in return for a political contribution.

I don't shed any tears over bad things happening to the CoC, but I'm not going to let schadenfreude blind me to how dangerous this is.

Well (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38449572)

Actually;

They target the U.S. Chamber because a lot of the people in said chamber also work for the Government at Very high levels; in addtion to this if you can comprimise the low security network they use at the Chamber you may get access to the high security networks they use everywhere else; chances are they have the same passwords.

The politbeuareau is known to break into things when they want somthing, and they do it at arms length; also the 300 million unpatched windows boxes make it quite easy to say "No it wasent me, it was the one armed man over in russia"; they've done this to Canada and Britan already.

Why isn't there any technical information? (1)

code_08 (1203684) | more than 2 years ago | (#38449600)

Why isn't there any technical details about how this hack happened? For something that happened almost 2 years ago it seems there's surprisingly little information on what actually happened. It seems this article is more concerned with blaming China for attacking America than it is giving details on what actually happened.

Re:Why isn't there any technical information? (1)

swalve (1980968) | more than 2 years ago | (#38450028)

They haven't patched the thermostats yet.

Anyone know anything about launch codes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38449770)

reriously, Does anyone know anything about launch codes?

Re:Anyone know anything about launch codes (1)

P-niiice (1703362) | more than 2 years ago | (#38449960)

if you get a blue screen dude you should duck and cover

Just kill all from China (1)

zoomshorts (137587) | more than 2 years ago | (#38450178)

They cannot mak safe dog or cat food and they short cut everything they make. They are a seventh world country
and are next to useless EXCEPT for cheap labor. Otherwise they are the New World Niggers. They are basically
cheats across the board. Deny them access to ANY world market and never buy from Walmart. Easy.

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