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KDE 4.8 RC 1 Now Available

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the many-thousands-of-hours-of-work dept.

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jrepin writes with this quote from an article at Phoronix: "Just in time for some holiday testing, the KDE SC 4.8 Release Candidate is now available. The final release of KDE 4.8 is about one month away, but now the release candidate is available to ensure it shapes up to be a solid release. Among the features of KDE Software Compilation 4.8 is support for Qt Quick in Plasma Workspaces, quite visible improvements to the Dolphin file-manager, KSecretService is now available as a shared password storage pool, and there's many performance improvements. Lots of bug fixes (measured in hundreds) can also be found in KDE 4.8."

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Good job! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38464852)

Congratulations to the KDE team!

Serious Question (3, Interesting)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 2 years ago | (#38464902)

Serious Question

Which major distributions still come with KDE as the default option. There used to be Mandrake/Mandriva, but that's pretty dead now. I guess Fedora and RedHat still use it, but RedHat is mostly for servers, so the desktop doesn't really matter that much, and I don't hear much about Fedora anymore. Seems like KDE is still very actively developed, but you have to go out of your way (Kubuntu) to even use it.

Serious Reply (5, Informative)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 2 years ago | (#38464926)

OpenSuse.

Re:Serious Reply (3, Insightful)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 2 years ago | (#38465058)

PCLinuxOS has KDE as its standard, although versions with LXDE, E17, etc. are also available.

Re:Serious Reply (3, Informative)

NotBorg (829820) | more than 2 years ago | (#38468062)

Note that by "default" they mean that the OpenSuse installer has a radio button with KDE selected by default. If you just keep hitting "Next" you get KDE. You can install Gnome instead with one extra well placed mouse click.

However, the odds of clicking it at random are apparently low enough that the OpenSuse team doesn't consider it a bug. :O

Ohhhhh it's funny because it implies being able to pick Gnome is a bug!!!

Re:Serious Reply (1)

Raenex (947668) | more than 2 years ago | (#38470192)

If you have to explain your joke, it isn't funny.

Re:Serious Question (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38464936)

Slackware uses KDE as default

Re:Serious Question (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38464966)

Slackware uses KDE as default

Yep, Slackware threw out the window GNOME many years ago, all the while keeping those 3-4 GTK+ useful applications.
The best decision they ever took. A pity some major distros never followed suit.

Re:Serious Question (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38464960)

OpenSUSE uses it as the default desktop. That is probably your best bet as many KDE developers are using that distro.

I prefer the Fedora KDE spin as the nicest distro, but I am partial to yum.

Other notable distros using KDE by default: Pardus, Chakra, Slackware, PC-BSD.

Re:Serious Question (3, Informative)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#38464978)

OpenSuse, Kubuntu, and several others not cloned off of Ubuntu come with KDE. Some have it as the first choice, but not all are so single minded as to not offer a choice like Ubuntu.

You don't have to go out of your way, you just have to expand your horizon beyond your little Ubuntu world.

Re:Serious Question (4, Informative)

Kjella (173770) | more than 2 years ago | (#38465618)

Some have it as the first choice, but not all are so single minded as to not offer a choice like Ubuntu.

sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and log in to KDE. All the *buntu variants actually point to the same repositories, you pick one during download but if you want more they're an apt-get away. I'd call it one less confusing step for a new user, how should he know how to answer? Give him the defaults of what he downloaded and trust that power users can use 30 seconds on Google to find out...

Re:Serious Question (3, Interesting)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#38466664)

Some have it as the first choice, but not all are so single minded as to not offer a choice like Ubuntu.

sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and log in to KDE.

Reading comprehension 101:

Offering a choice means being given a selection of desktops to to install when you are installing.
Suse does it.
Slackware does it.
Fedora does it.

Ubuntu can't be bothered.

I find it condescending how you suggest offering "no choice" at install time is somehow protecting the new user.
The new user may be years away from doing an apt-get. But they can pick from a list, because they have all been to a Restaurant in the past.

Re:Serious Question (3, Informative)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 2 years ago | (#38467402)

You have the choice both before and after installation. If you know before you do the install, then you just use the Kubuntu install disk. If you decide after the install, you run the apt-get command. Having only two point that you make the choice instead of 3 doesn't mean there is not choice.

Re:Serious Question (2)

Kjella (173770) | more than 2 years ago | (#38469346)

The new user may be years away from doing an apt-get. But they can pick from a list, because they have all been to a Restaurant in the past.

It'll do about as much good as an untranslated Thai menu, people know what food is when they order. Okay, so you've decided that you should try this "Linux" thing. But, wait there's so many distros like OpenSuse, Fedora, Mandriva, Debian, Mint but okay most recommend Ubuntu. But wait, even if you've picked Ubuntu they're still going go give you a choice of GNOME, KDE, XFCE and maybe even some more obscure ones and I dare you to explain that as simply as you could a menu of beef, chicken and fish. Okay so it's not a big thing but too many applications decide to put the user at a crossroads, here I need you to take some apparently important decision before you can even begin using it. If you already know you'd like it to behave differently than the default it should be easy to find a settings or options menu, if you don't then making you take some kind of choice more or less on random isn't actually helping anyone. It's just intimidating to the user, like if you don't know the answers to these questions then maybe you shouldn't really be using this application. Oh, and it's available from GUI package management tools as well, you just have to know you want it....

Re:Serious Question (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 2 years ago | (#38469774)

Exactly. It's intimidating and a redundant question since if you don't know the answer then what purpose is there in asking the question in the first place? And if you do know the answer then you should be using a dist which supports your preference. Windows doesn't ask what desktop you want, it just gives it to you one. Same for OS X. I don't see why Linux dists should be any different.

Re:Serious Question (3, Insightful)

DrXym (126579) | more than 2 years ago | (#38469746)

I find it condescending how you suggest offering "no choice" at install time is somehow protecting the new user.

How the hell is a new user supposed to know or care why there are bunch of different desktops, all of which do more or less the same thing but in different ways? How the hell is a new user meant to pick apart the war of words that has been going on for over a decade over which desktop is supposed to be the best.

The sensible thing for any dist is to pick one desktop and be done with it. If someone is in any way informed on the matter they will choose a dist which matches their preference, or will know how to install an alternative post-install.

So yes it is protecting the new user since it relieves them a question that they don't know the answer to, and of downloading a larger iso file. Arguably it also protects the dist since they don't have to waste time & resources supporting multiple desktops with all the overheads in support and bug fixing entailed by that.

Re:Serious Question (3, Informative)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 2 years ago | (#38465950)

I agree with Kjella. Ubuntu does offer a choice, and it's called Kubuntu.

And if you install regular Ubuntu with Unity and don't like it (and most people don't, I think), then install KDE and you're good to go in a few short minutes.

Re:Serious Question (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38464980)

Aptosid

Re:Serious Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38464990)

Slackware, aptosid, debian, kubuntu ...

Re:Serious Question (5, Insightful)

Outtascope (972222) | more than 2 years ago | (#38465000)

Kubuntu is hardly going "out of your way to use it".

Re:Serious Question (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 2 years ago | (#38467220)

"Kubuntu is hardly going "out of your way to use it"."

Windows users don't like installing software.... ......oh......(runs)

Re:Dumb Question (2)

billgates (75865) | more than 2 years ago | (#38465072)

aptosid, slackware, kubuntu, debian come to mind immediately. How is that out of your way?

Re:Serious Question (1)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 2 years ago | (#38465102)

Seems like KDE is still very actively developed, but you have to go out of your way (Kubuntu) to even use it.

How is getting/installing Kubuntu going out of your way?

Re:Serious Question (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38465464)

Because "nobody" knows about KUbuntu. People getting into Linux for the first time pick Ubuntu, because that's what they've heard about, and they have no idea that Kubuntu even exists, let alone what it means, what Unity is, what KDE is, what Gnome is, or anything else that you take for granted.

The end result is that people are getting an exposure to "Linux" thinking "Linux = Unity", and by implication, "Linux sucks - this is garbage". They could, instead, be getting exposed to KDE, which does not suck, but the Ubuntu maintainers are too proud to admit that they have made a mistake, even with overwhelming feedback from the community.

Don't take YOUR level of linux knowledge as representative of everyone's. Most people have no idea that unlike most OSs, you can pick different desktop environments like KDE or Gnome or XFCE. It isn't something they necessarily even want to understand. If it's more complex than "Push this single download button" on your distro's download page, then in a very real sense people DO have to go out of their way to get KDE. And they don't know that they can, by and large.

Re:Serious Question (1)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 2 years ago | (#38465576)

To be fair, the average new Ubuntu user probably is going to benefit from a dumbed-down interface like Unity. Having tons of config options will overwhelm most non-power users. That's the whole reason Canonical is running with it.

Re:Serious Question (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 2 years ago | (#38465980)

No, according to Canonical themselves, the "whole reason" they went with Unity is that they didn't like the new Gnome.

Re:Serious Question (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38466856)

Judging by how Unity turned out, I think they felt that Gnome 3 wasn't crippled, frustrating, or slow enough.

Re:Serious Question (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38467844)

I laugh at the mess Ubuntu fanboys have made. They worked so hard trying to make the Ubuntu mono culture a reality. Now, for the first time they're considering how stupid it was. For the first time they're actually expanding their horizons and trying things on other distributions. They're finding out that Linux + GNU + GNOME/KDE isn't all that different from distribution to distribution. Sure there's different package managers... but GIMP is still GIMP. Gnome is still Gnome (with a different wallpaper sure). KDE is still KDE.

The stuff you do every day really isn't that different on another distribution. Ubuntu doesn't make all that shit... there are thousands of upstreams that Ubuntu doesn't really have much to do with beyond packaging.

And no, picking some other distribution doesn't make for more "fragmentation." There's no mega project that makes it all. It's thousands of separate projects and that's good and normal. Gnome + wallpaper and theming, isn't really a unique special experience that only Ubuntu can do. Really.

Re:Serious Question (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38465232)

sabayon

Re:Serious Question (2)

tomstockmail (2056752) | more than 2 years ago | (#38465262)

Sabayon [sabayon.org] has a KDE version that's very good on updates and default configuration. Sabayon is based on Gentoo but doesn't do all of the compiling. Yes, that negates the advantage Gentoo had but you still get the rolling release and you can still use portage if needed.

Re:Serious Question (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38465652)

I use Sabayon with KDE for both my desktop and netbook. It is very good (but not perfect). I definitively prefer it over kubuntu.

Re:Serious Question (1)

WhitePanther5000 (766529) | more than 2 years ago | (#38465362)

Seems like KDE is still very actively developed, but you have to go out of your way (Kubuntu) to even use it.

sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop

Re:Serious Question (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38465492)

Off the top of my head the following have KDE as the default option or as a high profile spin...
openSUSE
Kubuntu
Kororaa
Slackware
PCLinuxOS
Mageia
Mandriva
Chakra
PC-BSD
Fedora has a KDE spin
Mint has a KDE spin

Not sure how it would be considered "out of your way" to find a KDE-friendly distribution.

Re:Serious Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38469150)

I think the point is that it's hard to find distros where KDE is the main focus and concern. Non-official spins of distros tend to be less maintained and less polished. Kubuntu, for instance, used to have a reputation of being a piss-poor KDE distro. (No idea if it still is.) Most efforts of integration and polish go toward GNOME. So yes, you do kind of have to go out of your way to find a KDE experience you can have some confidence in.

Re:Serious Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38466522)

Sabayon Linux... Gentoo based w/ binary package management and optional portage.

Re:Serious Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38466666)

I'm a Gentoo user, and what do you mean "distributions [that] ... come with KDE"?

Do I have to repeat this again?: Linux is not Windows! (And that's the best thing about it!) Don't treat it like it is! (And don't try to make it like Windows, just so the lusers won't whine. Because Windows will always be more Windows than you. So why not strive for something higher than epic suckiness and have some balls?)

Just install whatever you like. It's all be in the package repository.
If you need to do more than two actions to replace the one with the other, your distribution maintainers are doing it wrong. :P

Re:Serious Question (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38467358)

Post #38466666??

Holy mother of Satan!!

Re:Serious Question (1)

JoeMerchant (803320) | more than 2 years ago | (#38466864)

Serious Question

Which major distributions still come with KDE as the default option.

Serious answer: Kubuntu.

Re:Serious Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38468130)

Serious Question

Which major distributions still come with KDE as the default option. There used to be Mandrake/Mandriva, but that's pretty dead now. I guess Fedora and RedHat still use it, but RedHat is mostly for servers, so the desktop doesn't really matter that much, and I don't hear much about Fedora anymore. Seems like KDE is still very actively developed, but you have to go out of your way (Kubuntu) to even use it.

If anything other than default (lowest common denominator) is too hard for you - like looking outside the Ewebuntu whirled - then no. Unless you count Slax, and dozens of others.... Or you could find someone with a brain cell and they could type "install desktop=kde" as a kernel parameter when installing Debian for ewe.

Re:Serious Question (3, Informative)

unixisc (2429386) | more than 2 years ago | (#38468424)

PC-BSD. Version 9 is the first that offers one a choice of GNOME, KDE, LXDE and XFCE as fully integrated DEs, while Awesome, Enlightenment, IceWM, ScrotWM and WindowMaker are available, but not fully integrated - one probably has to use the CUI to run the BSD utilities on them. But aside from that, those too will work.

Then there are all the other distros mentioned above. And typically, while Gnome may be the default, most distros, during installation, offer one the option of installing KDE instead.

Re:Serious Question (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38469038)

Mandriva is hardly dead. It is not as popular as it used to be but it is still maintained and used. And there is its recent offshoot Mageia which also defaults to KDE.

Re:Serious Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38469374)

Try Sabayon. Very good binary distro built on top of Gentoo. Basically Gentoo without the stupid long compile times. Very nice distro.

Serious Answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38464938)

SuSE

KSecretService (1)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#38465030)

Ok, what is this?

They just barely got Kwallet working and now something totally new?

Re:KSecretService (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38465092)

They heard you like cross desktop integration, KSecretService seems to be some kind of DBUS thingy, http://www.devheads.net/desktop/kde/core/kwalletksecretsservice-git-workflow.htm

Re:KSecretService (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38465106)

What an ugly name. I'd much prefer the tagline: With KDE, KGB protects you.

Re:KSecretService (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38466328)

har har, funny. Secret Service is as much gnome stuff as kde though. But I guess you also everything with a K in it anyway.

Re:KSecretService (1)

unixisc (2429386) | more than 2 years ago | (#38468538)

Actually, KGB would have been a better name for it! ;-)

Re:KSecretService (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38469618)

Actually, it was going to be CIA, but then somebody else pointed out that C had to be a K, so it was KIA and the it was quickly realized that would be like naming a car in latin America, 'nova'.

Re:KSecretService (5, Interesting)

qbast (1265706) | more than 2 years ago | (#38465270)

As usual, KDE has something working for years, then gnomies create something from scratch (with 100% more DBUS or whatever buzzword is popular that week), stick it on freedesktop and start screaming for KDE devs to switch, because this is now "standard".

Re:KSecretService (2)

smash (1351) | more than 2 years ago | (#38466826)

Exactly. As i mentioned yesterday, bicycle-shedding....

Re:KSecretService (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#38468724)

I debate your assumption of KDE 4.anything "working" let alone "for years"

Bitch! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38465116)

Let's all bitch about KDE and GNOME 3

Release candidates. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38465222)

So now that I've got the RC, how do I launch the comprehensive automated test suite? You know, formal testing? The thing you do with release candidates? Where is it? I see no mention of how to test the thing on the page linked to. Googling "KDE test plan" returns nothing relevant.

Oh... I forgot. This is amateur hour.

Re:Release candidates. (5, Informative)

qbast (1265706) | more than 2 years ago | (#38465418)

Pass -DKDE4_BUILD_TESTS=TRUE to cmake while building and then run 'make test' . Better googling next time.

And cue complaints (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38465224)

Cue the comments in which people redundantly proclaim their hatred for KDE 4

Who cares? (-1, Troll)

ilikenwf (1139495) | more than 2 years ago | (#38465302)

KDE and GNOME suck lately if you go by the comments around the interwebs...

Good News Everyone! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38465440)

Yesterday's article about Amarok and now today's announcement of KDE 4.8 RC1 clearly demonstrates that we are very nearly back to the functional level of Amarok 1.4 and KDE 3.5. We're finally back to where we were three years ago.

Huzzah!

Re:Good News Everyone! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38466174)

I'm so sad you earned a +2 funnily insightful!

I *really like* KDE (4, Insightful)

cadeon (977561) | more than 2 years ago | (#38465530)

I like KDE. I don't hear that said often, though. So I figured I'd say it, and relate my excitement and thanks for all the hard work that's gone into this impending new release.

Thanks, devs.

Re:I *really like* KDE (2)

rwa2 (4391) | more than 2 years ago | (#38465662)

Same here... I really like playing with KDE in KNOPPIX [knopper.net] , but it has never quite made it to my desktop for some reason. I suppose I just like the simplicity of gnome-terminal (once I hide the menubar and scrollbar), and am also more familiar with how to strip down gnome-panel to the bare essentials. I don't really use much else from the desktop environment outside of those and the window manager.

Haven't really played with KNOPPIX much lately, mostly because I like running 64-bit systems. Ooh, looks like KNOPPIX does support a 64-bit kernel now as a boot option, and has a 64-bit chroot system. Maybe it's time to take it for a spin again...

Any other good KDE LiveDVD distros?

Re:I *really like* KDE (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38465930)

I, too, really like KDE.

Re:I *really like* KDE (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38465966)

Me too. Looks great and works great. For something that is free and that polished is awesome

Re:I *really like* KDE (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 2 years ago | (#38465994)

When I first tried Ubuntu, years ago, I didn't like the Gnome desktop very much. I installed the Kubuntu desktop, tried switching between them a few times, and settled on the KDE. I have seen no reason to go back. Unity has nothing to offer me, and so far I have never been a big fan of Gnome.

Re:I *really like* KDE (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38466286)

It's the best desktop going right now if you haven't drunk the "dumb it down" cool-aid like, well.... damn near every other environment on every other OS.

So yeah, KDE rocks.

Re:I *really like* KDE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38467096)

I agree. KDE is the best option for desktop computers of any kind out there right now.

Re:I *really like* KDE (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38467116)

I love kde and a host of open source applications that make it awesome.

http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/
http://k3b.plainblack.com/
http://gparted.sourceforge.net/
http://www.openoffice.org/
http://www.openssh.org/
http://www.pidgin.im/
http://www.eclipse.org/
http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp-linux.html

Just to name a few.

Re:I *really like* KDE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38467874)

*nods and agree*

thanks kde devs!

Re:I *really like* KDE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38469660)

My first slashdot post and it's a me too. *shakes heads*

Thanks devs!

Re:I *really like* KDE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38469826)

I really like it as well.
Best thing are the KDE I/O Slaves. One of my top reasons to stay on KDE.

Re:I *really like* KDE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38469900)

I agree, it's been a long time since I've been able to get behind GNOME (GNOME and KDE in my mind being the two most relevant DEs throughout my history.) Everything under KDE integrates well, behaves predictably the same and overall the user experience (I find, anyway) is much more robust than alternatives. I'll stand behind the KDE team for the foreseeable future methinks.

Looking Good (2)

warrax_666 (144623) | more than 2 years ago | (#38465692)

Running RC1 on my Kubuntu and it seems that we've finally arrived at where 3.5 was... only kidding.

I realize that the 4.0-4.3 releases were "experimental" and should never have been pushed as defaults by distros, but...

I may still give up on KDE (weren't expecting that, were you?). Personally, I think tiling window managers are way more efficient once you get past the initial learning curve. Most of the KDE programs are great (Kate, Okteta, Gwenview, etc), but the whole desktop...? Not sold.

Re:Looking Good (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38465952)

Window Behavior -> Advanced -> Enable Tiling

Re:Looking Good (2)

Windwraith (932426) | more than 2 years ago | (#38466280)

You don't like KDE's tiling support, or you don't know about it?

Re:Looking Good (2)

noahm (4459) | more than 2 years ago | (#38467464)

I use awesome [naquadah.org] with KDE in quite a few places and find it to be a generally excellent combination. The procedure for doing so is documented on the awesome wiki [naquadah.org] .

noah

Printing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38465918)

Hows printing??? yeah that's what I thought

Re:Printing (2)

armanox (826486) | more than 2 years ago | (#38465992)

I wouldn't know - I don't print anything from my Linux systems, and rarely print anything on other systems. People still print regularly?

Re:Printing (3, Informative)

smash (1351) | more than 2 years ago | (#38466850)

People who do actual work often need to print, yes.

Re:Printing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38466308)

Printing works perfectly for me out of the box. I didn't have to do anything but plug my printer into a USB port and then use the "print" menu in whatever app I wanted to print from.

Re:Printing (2)

koxkoxkox (879667) | more than 2 years ago | (#38467300)

I think he is talking about this bug : http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=180051 [kde.org]

There is no way to have default printer settings, which means setting again the options you need every time. This is the fourth most hated bug in KDE.

Re:Printing (3, Informative)

rec9140 (732463) | more than 2 years ago | (#38467254)

Hmmm.. Works GREAT!

Sharp MX4501N

Sharp AR620M

HP C7280's
HP 4500W
HP 7500A

All via network...

And HP makes it stupid wintard easy to print, scan and fax with their HP printers or AIO's.

sudo apt-get install hplip-gui

DONE! Print, scan, fax.

XSANE works great to scan via the network.

What was your point?

Oh still trying to use non PCL or PS printers in Linux, good luck.

Hell, even my beloved Kodaks have been set free, free at last with c2esp, scan and fax is still not supported, but you can at least print!

IOW KDE 4.8 final is NOT available (1)

NemoinSpace (1118137) | more than 2 years ago | (#38466728)

and yet i clicked the link...

4.7 KMail == Total Fail (4, Insightful)

nonmaskable (452595) | more than 2 years ago | (#38466944)

I've been a KDE fan since 1.x, but one of the worst pieces of OSS I've ever used was in KDE 4.7 -- KMail 2. I thought it might just be me, but a little research showed that every distro shipping it has had many angry users. For me on OpenSUSE it's been an endless source of lost incoming and outgoing mail, performance problems, and generally horrible bugs. Totally broken development process -- the problems were widely reported during at beta, but ignored since KDE leadership insists on pushing the buggy/leaky Akonadi-Nepomuk stuff regardless of what it means to end users. I'll give KMail in 4.8 another chance, but I don't hold out much hope -- it's been years since Akonadi was introduced and everything associated with it has been a disaster.

The rest of KDE 4.7 is absolutely terrific though.

Re:4.7 KMail == Total Fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38466998)

Kmail bit me (and ate my mail) and I'm currently back at 4.6 - best version so far imo. Let us know if KMail works in 4.8 :p

Re:4.7 KMail == Total Fail (1)

pbhj (607776) | more than 2 years ago | (#38467838)

Does Kmail allow you to use html in emails yet?

Re:4.7 KMail == Total Fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38467388)

When I originally installed KDE 4.7 with Kmail2 I was very excited to have Kontact back into the KDE mix again... I really hate thunderbird and Evolution is the worst excuse for a mail program I've ever seen... But after setting up my accounts in Kmail2 and waiting over an hour to sync all my mail to a local server on a gigabit connection, I was a little put off. Then shortly after syncing completed akonadi deleted ALL my mail and I lost years of archives. The archives were all unnecessary, I'm just a pack rat, but it was still annoying.

When KDE 4.7.3 came out, the major Kmail2 and akonadi bugs were supposed to be fixed. Having proper backups of my mail ready and in place I tried Kmail2 again. I found that if I do not enable the offline backup I have no problems and Kmail2 is every bit as good as the original Kmail. I even use a kolab backend for syncing my contacts and calendars. I have not built up enough guts to try enabling offline syncing yet, which would be nice seeing that I travel a bit. But I don't often use my laptop where I am not online to access my imap folders.

Kmail2 has fit the bill for me. The only problem I have left is the akonadi-googledata still gives me an immediate error saying my password is invalid and I cannot sync my contacts to gmail. Which I only want so I have up to date contact info across my Galaxy S also.

Re:4.7 KMail == Total Fail (1)

neuro88 (674248) | more than 2 years ago | (#38468068)

Kmail2 has been a nightmare for me as well. I've switched to thunderbird and while it's not terrible, I don't particularly care for it. I'm hoping kmail2 will eventually be un-fucked so I can switch back.

In KDE 4.7, I have issues where sometimes when I click on apps in the task manager, it doesn't bring them up. I get this on my desktop and laptop (Kubuntu). It generally takes another click or 2 for it to work.

I have another issue where sometimes I get 2 programs overlapping in the task manager (you see the text of both), but only one of them is accessible. I can fix it by right clicking, and moving the accessible app to another virtual desktop, then moving it back. Then both apps have distinct task bar entries that work. I had this problem in 4.6 as well, but it also happened much more frequently in 4. so I guess there's been some improvement.

Re:4.7 KMail == Total Fail (1)

claus.wilke (51904) | more than 2 years ago | (#38468214)

Which version of KMail are you using? Since 4.7.4, it seems to be running nicely.

Re:4.7 KMail == Total Fail (4, Informative)

claus.wilke (51904) | more than 2 years ago | (#38468200)

I just switched to KMail 2 in 4.7.4, and so far it's working out nicely---definitely better than the old KMail. I was quite apprehensive, because I have a complex setup, with multiple IMAP accounts, local mail storage, several identities, and so on, and I had read all the issues people have. But it's working like a charm, and even mail folders with several thousand mails are snappy.

I think there has been a lot of progress since the first official release of KMail2 in 4.7, so I'd definitely give it another try.

Some of the most annoying bugs, like KMail IMAP not surviving a sleep-wake cycle or a brief network outage, are finally gone.

Re:4.7 KMail == Total Fail (1)

unixisc (2429386) | more than 2 years ago | (#38468574)

I found KMail pretty mediocre in KDE 3.5, but used it only for GMail. However, I'd be interested to see whether it's improved since.

KDE Works Great For Me (2)

naubrey (1452173) | more than 2 years ago | (#38467466)

I really don't understand all the complaints I have read about KDE. So many complain about requiring a massive system to run KDE but I just don't see it. I have a Thinkpad with the Intel graphics chips and an IdeaPad 10-2 with the Intel graphics chipset and both machines run the latest KDE great. My Thinkpad has a modest set of desktop effects enabled and while running my laptop display of 1680x1050 and my 20" LCD display with 1600x900 my laptop doesn't skip a beat. My wife's IdeaPad only has 1 GB of ram and I can enable all the desktop effects and it works just fine! She doesn't care for the eye candy so I have desktop effects enabled but all manually turned off in the control panel and general usability is very responsive. I think people have Firefox open with 10 tabs or more using up all their ram and they are blaiming it on KDE instead Firefox. I also use VirtualBox quite often with KDE and I completely turn off desktop effects (if they even turn on automatically which they do not always do if I have not installed the vbox tools) and KDE runs great in my vm's with 512 to 768MB of ram. I love KDE. It's fast, it's functional and has not given me trouble since release 4.3

Re:KDE Works Great For Me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38467612)

personaly I think a lot of the percived bad performance comes down to your graphics card - KDE with Nvidia blob never was a problem, KDE with the open driver on a 6770 card is a nice but noisy experience and finaly with Catalyst you, or at least I did, run into problems as plasma tries to use GL2 shaders by default etc. Turning of these effects *mostly* leviates any problem. I guess it's like iphone/andriod, when one has an interface which is not always 100% smooth people percieve it as having bad performance.

Which I guess is why plasma devs want to reach 60fps...

Re:KDE Works Great For Me (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 2 years ago | (#38469784)

My biggest complaint about KDE is it doesn't know when less is more. The UI is packed with too many menus, buttons, configuration settings, dialogs within dialogs. It's just a busy, complex desktop. Arguably GNOME 3 is too cut to the bone and lacking in certain settings but I have no doubt in my mind which desktop is the easiest to use out of the box.

Ubuntu vs Kubuntu (1)

kpwelch (931575) | more than 2 years ago | (#38467814)

I have been running Ubuntu and Kubuntu for several years now. Ubuntu is dual boot with WinXP, and Kubuntu is on an external drive. Only one CPU here.

I am leaning towards the Gnome desktop for a couple of reasons. The first and most annoying is the KDE Wallet. The second is load and reaction time. The third is reaction speed. Gnome is reacting faster than KDE. The fourth is just today KDE (Kubuntu) had 278 updates and Gnome (Ubuntu) only had 144. I try to keep both systems similar (same addons from basic install) but I cannot guarantee they are the same. However, it took about 1.5 hours to update Kubuntu, and only about 45 minutes to update Ubuntu.

So far as usability is concerned, I find navigating in Ubuntu a bit easier than in Kubuntu. However, I cannot really say that I like the current Ubuntu interface, but I like it better than Kubuntu.

Re:Ubuntu vs Kubuntu (1)

tehlinux (896034) | more than 2 years ago | (#38467872)

it took about 1.5 hours to update Kubuntu, and only about 45 minutes to update Ubuntu.

Geeze, are downloading the updates over dial-up?

Plasma this, plasma that (1)

tyrione (134248) | more than 2 years ago | (#38468306)

I love how every release never seems to finish the ``feature plan'' list always listing a large portion as `in progress.' You might want to clean up those Release Plans to what has been actually accomplished in a cumulative list and what still needs to be done and then the final, ``future plans.''

By the way, it's all about the Apps and as usual most of these apps that are good are just the utility apps like Kate or GwenView with the rare Digikam or Gimp/Inkscape for GNOME/GTK+. When in the hell is the core of KDE or GNOME going to bring their apps up to a level that consumers would take a serious look at Linux/FreeBSD?

At this rate the Desktop Environments will continue to be 4 years behind Windows and OS X and the pile of professional apps will be even farther behind.

tinge_of_nostaliga() (2, Interesting)

aussersterne (212916) | more than 2 years ago | (#38468368)

It was KDE4 that started my migration away from Linux after fifteen years of hardcore Linux use, advocacy, development, etc. (The pending arrival of GNOME 3 sealed the deal, but it was KDE4 that happened first.)

I still miss Linux, sometimes—the ethic, the openness.

Too bad things didn't work out and Linux didn't ever "arrive" at the same UI quality level as Mac OS or even Windows. But I still have a very soft spot in my heart for Linux and I am continually tempted to install the latest Fedora release in a VM just to have it around. No particular need though—don't actually know what I'd run in it—so I haven't yet.

Wayland, Konqueror & Rekonq (1)

unixisc (2429386) | more than 2 years ago | (#38468600)

Few questions I have:
  • Does 4.8 now work w/ Wayland, and are there any BSD or Linux distros that come w/ Wayland, either in addition to, or instead of, X?
  • Does the latest Konqueror support HTML5? I'd like to be able to watch YouTube w/o Konqueror throwing up on the Flash compatibility
  • What is the latest status on Rekonq? Is it at least version 1.x as yet? And is it the default browser on KDE, or is that just a Kubuntu thing?

Re:Wayland, Konqueror & Rekonq (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38470342)

4.8 wayland, no since wayland isn't close to being done that has been pushed back to 4.9 slated for the summer
Konqueror supports the same html version as webkit does using the webkit-kpart (if I remember correctly the Qt version used in 4.8 includes a new if not the latest version of webit, older versions of Qt had very old webkit libraries)
Rekonq is not 1.x yet, it's at 0.8.x something - but why fixate on a specific version? it's not like number like 4.0 is a garantee for stability anyway, amiright? And it's only default in distributions like Kubuntu that choses to make it default, OpenSuse among others goes with Firefox as default...

capcha: roughly - as in "these are roughly the answers you're looking for - if you want better use google.

KDE rocks! (from former Gnome user who switched) (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38470072)

I have been using KDE since the summer when I migrated from Gnome to KDE. I'd always used Gnome because it was the Red Hat/Fedora default, but Gnome 3 was cripplingly unusable.

KDE rocks! Please, KDE developers, DO NOT SCREW THIS DESKTOP ENVIRONMENT UP! Keep doing what you're doing!

I expect Gnome 3 in a year or so to be a footnote in the long list of attempts to give people what they don't want, along with the new Coke and the TNIV Bible.

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