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Apple Increases Dominance of Mobile Shopping

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the apple-a-day-keeps-the-savings-account-at-bay dept.

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bdking writes "If you purchased something online from a mobile device in December, there's a 92% chance you used an iPad or iPhone. And if so, you probably spent more money than someone making an online purchase with an Android or a desktop computer."

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android market sale...? (2)

SpiralSpirit (874918) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474986)

this statistic seems unlikely.

Re:android market sale...? (2)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475020)

I agree, and I quote the Simpsons for my logical reasoning
"You can make statistics prove anything Kent, 15% of all people know that" - Homer Simpson

Re:android market sale...? (2)

arkane1234 (457605) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475090)

Not necessarily, since Apple customers by very demographic have more money.

Re:android market sale...? (2)

narcc (412956) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475444)

Not necessarily, since Apple customers by very demographic have more money.

Actually, that distinctions belongs to Blackberry users.

Rich Smartphone Users Opt for Blackberry over iPhone: Survey [ibtimes.com] September 26, 2011:

Most affluent smartphone owners prefer BlackBerry over the iPhone, and Android remains the people’s choice in the middle or upper-middle income group, according to a survey.

Re:android market sale...? (1)

jonbryce (703250) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475656)

I don't think that's the case in the UK. Most Blackberry users here tend to be teenage girls who like the fact you can send unlimited free texts using Blackberry messenger.

Re:android market sale...? (3, Interesting)

narcc (412956) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475822)

That is true. BBM is one of the main reasons that Blackberry is so popular with the youth. (That and the most amazing keyboard on the market -- it's a pleasure to type on, and has only improved with time. Try out the keyboard on a 9900 sometime, you'll be astonished.)

Really, Blackberry has something for everyone. From teens and rioters to wealthy business persons and celebrities, RIM has the software and hardware that most optimally meets their needs.

Re:android market sale...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38476510)

Your money is waiting on the office, narcc, good job!

--RIM

Re:android market sale...? (2)

jbolden (176878) | more than 2 years ago | (#38477330)

I've liked the 2 Blackberries I've had. And as far as a texting phone, they are amazing.
But the web experience on an iPhone is incomparably better.

Really I think Blackberry should drop down to 200mb data plans with unlimited texting and emails. That seems to be their sweet spot. The problem is right now I have to pay the same (essentially) for a Blackberry as an iPhone.

Re:android market sale...? (0)

narcc (412956) | more than 2 years ago | (#38477744)

The web on BB has been fantastic since OS6 -- The old Torch (9800), for example, had better support for HTML 5 than the iPhone until iOS5 Take look [html5test.com] .

That is to say, the browsing experience is so vastly improved from the old days that it's really worth taking a second look at what RIM has to offer.

Re:android market sale...? (2)

Lexx Greatrex (1160847) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475280)

this statistic seems unlikely.

TFA labels RichRelevance as a "retail analysis company" giving the reader the impression that the statistics arise from an impartial survey of global consumer behavior such as provided by organisations like Forrester Research. RichRelevance is neither independent nor impartial. It is a company that provides e-commerce, advertising and marketing services to "retailing partners sites" and by this very nature cannot cited as an authoritative or reliable source.

Re:android market sale...? (1)

RDW (41497) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476820)

RichRelevance is neither independent nor impartial

...and (FWIW) this is the only time I recall following a link in a Slashdot story (second link, TFA) to find the site blocked by Web of Trust:

http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/richrelevance.com [mywot.com]

Re:android market sale...? (2)

ifiwereasculptor (1870574) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475284)

The numbers across our retailing partners sites

From TFA. That could be an explanation - a biased sample, especially if the Apple store is one of the partners. They sell a lot and mostly to iOS devices.

Maybe they only track "apps" and Android owners tend to use their browsers more or they are redirected to it from an app (which is forbidden in iOS, if I recall correctly).

Could it be that Android on a tablet doesn't identify itself as a mobile browser? (this is easy to check, I just can't since I don't own a tablet)

It's hard to take statistical data seriously when you don't know how it was generated. Especially when it looks suspicious like this. iOS users spending 19% more seems not that farfetched, but for them to account for 92% of all sales is hard to believe.

Re:android market sale...? (1, Informative)

OvERKiLLsFFT (986079) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476352)

I do not have an Android tablet (yet), but I am pretty sure they usually identify themselves as an iPad (So admins don't have to make 50,000 profiles) or a Desktop (Because an android can actually render a desktop version of a page properly), dramatically skewing these results. Not to mention that 3rd party browsers can report themselves as whatever the hell they want, while an iOS device has no option.

Re:android market sale...? (1)

msauve (701917) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475408)

I don't think they're including "app store" purchases, but web purchases through on-line retailers (Amazon, Target, Walmart, etc.).

Re:android market sale...? (1)

meerling (1487879) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475512)

(You knew this was coming) "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics

Re:android market sale...? (2)

SomePgmr (2021234) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476696)

Really? I wasn't surprised. There's been quite a lot written lately about the platform differences and spending. Applications in the android market simply don't make anything near the kind of money that iphone apps do. That's why all the apps you see in googs market have ads... android users don't buy and developers want to bring in some revenue.

Some big name developers have been saying that the Kindle has had a major impact on sales though. It seems Fire owners are much more likely to purchase apps from the Amazon store than other android users from google's market.

In other news (3, Funny)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475030)

Apple iPad and iPhone users are found to have had their personal sense of values warped by the Jobs reality distortion field. Retailers are said to be intrigued.
 

Apple Fanboys have more money? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38475048)

So if true, this just proves that Apple fanboys have more money & less sense than Google fanboys?

Re:Apple Fanboys have more money? (2, Interesting)

king neckbeard (1801738) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475150)

The amount of money one spends and the amount of money one has aren't inherently linked. I seem to remember reading once that Apple users were more likely to have their accounts overdrawn than others. I'm far too lazy to try and dig that up again, so please feel free to consider it unsourced speculation.

Re:Apple Fanboys have more money? (0)

Animats (122034) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475346)

The amount of money one spends and the amount of money one has aren't inherently linked.

Very true. Read "The Millionaire Next Door".

Use it up
Wear it out.
Make it do.
Or do without

Wrong! (1, Funny)

chinton (151403) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475050)

I just checked, and I have found that I have a 0% chance of making a purchase using and iPad or iPhone.

Re:Wrong! (1)

arkane1234 (457605) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475106)

You're a 1%'er ;)

Re:Wrong! (1)

meerling (1487879) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475372)

He doesn't have an iphone/ipad.
That's my guess.
Either that or his phone service has been disconnected, or he has no money to make said purchases.

I'm in one or more of those situations myself. :)
One of my sisters just got a Galaxy Tab, she's very happy.

What are they buying? (3, Insightful)

will_die (586523) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475052)

With average orders being over $100 what are people buying that they would use a tablet or phone for instead of a desktop?
I have tried ordering a few things uses a smart phone it kind of sucks unless it is a known item.

Re:What are they buying? (4, Funny)

Frankie70 (803801) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475100)

With average orders being over $100 what are people buying that they would use a tablet or phone for instead of a desktop?

IPad was the #1 purchase on the IPhone & the IPhone was the #1 purchase on the IPad.

Re:What are they buying? (1)

Idbar (1034346) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476990)

And in related news, people seen spending money were seen spending more money.

Re:What are they buying? (1)

medv4380 (1604309) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475130)

It's not so much that they couldn't buy it using a PC. They are just a different group of people who tend to spend more money then average people. I could have told you that about any Mac or Apple Addict 10 years ago.

Re:What are they buying? (2)

arkane1234 (457605) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475166)

You haven't used one, I imagine.
It's quite easy to surf the net, and buy stuff when the need comes. I've done christmas shopping through the ipad & my desktop. Through Amazon, Absinthes.com, and a couple of other sites that escape me at the moment. The screen on my iphone is too small for my use like that, but I have added things to my Amazon wish list when on the iphone.

Re:What are they buying? (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475398)

$475 ipad cases [most-expensive.net] , of course.

Re:What are they buying? (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475464)

The amazon.com app for blackberry is quite nice

Re:What are they buying? (1)

Trogre (513942) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476338)

Android tablets.

its quite simple (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38475086)

All merchandisers know that iUsers have more money than sense and price accordingly. Accordingly, the rest of us get our discounts off the back of the Oooh Shiny! crowd. Payback is sweet.....

Re:its quite simple (1)

Galestar (1473827) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475222)

All merchandisers know that iUsers have more money than sense and price accordingly.

Note: this is not to say that they have a lot of money, but rather that they don't have much sense.
There is a myth that goes something like "Macs are expensive, therefore only the wealthy can afford them.". Not the case - in fact it is the opposite - these people simply do not know how to manage their money.

http://www.neowin.net/news/one-in-five-iphone-users-constantly-overdrawn [neowin.net] >

Re:its quite simple (1, Troll)

Darth Snowshoe (1434515) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475502)

Statistics prove it! Also, I've read that Apple users have poor personal hygiene, poor grammar, and they tend to be poorer than Android users at sports involving any kinds of mittens or gloves. They have poor depth perception and have less tolerance to squeaky chalkboard noises. They are congenitally incapable of playing trombones, and as a class of people have flatter arches and more brittle cuticles than their non-walled-garden counterparts. SUCK IT apple-heads, revenge is suh-weeeeeee-et!

Re:its quite simple (1)

arkane1234 (457605) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475286)

Dude, it's the same sites that you shop through... just a different device.

Re:its quite simple (1)

meerling (1487879) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475442)

Amazon is know for quoting different prices for different people. It's also rather easy to identify what platform/browser is being used, unless they are spoofing their info. (But who does that with mobile devices?)
It is possible that Amazon doesn't give iphone/ipad browsers the same price/discount they give to others. Note, this is not an accusation. I have no idea if they are doing that, but it is rather easy to do.

If you want to test this, use a computer (not a mac), to check the prices on some things on Amazon. Don't use an account, you don't want it linked to you personally, just the machine being used. If possible, a machine that has never been to Amazon before would be best, since it wouldn't have any other user data for them to use to mess with the pricing.
(Note, Amazon has been caught giving different prices to new visitors vs returning visitors.)
Then look up the same stuff on and iphone. Again, don't log into an account or anything, just browse to the item.
Are the prices different?
Please tell us your results.

excellent! (5, Funny)

TechnoLuddite (854235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475122)

Android phones are obviously money-saving devices!

Re:excellent! (2)

UBfusion (1303959) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475526)

+1, I think this is the most important result so far.

Re:excellent! (1)

RogerWilco (99615) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476234)

What I've seen between myself anf a lot of colleagues and friends that own smartphones is that those with an iPhone buy the applications, while those with an Android phone use illegitimate copies.

I think the main reason people buy more stuff on the iPhone, is that it's much harder to put illegal copies on an iPhone than it is to put something on an Android.

The biggest purchases I've made on my iPhone are various TomTom applications. These have been very useful during business and holiday travels. Most of my friends and colleagues with Android phones all have illegal copies of map apps and trade them a lot.

Android is the new Windows.

I think it might be good news for Google, but bad news for software developers.

Re:excellent! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38476346)

while those with an Android phone use illegitimate copies.

FYI, google maps and navigation is hardly illegitamte.

Re:excellent! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38477544)

That's complete bullshit. Nobody I know with an Android device uses pirated copies of applications. There's no need to - anything worthwhile is already free!

All this study shows is stuff that everyone knows already - Apple users have more money than self control.

Re:excellent! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38477884)

I used to be a Windows user (read: thief) but the huge amount of free software is why I haven't spent a cent on Android software yet It's far more functional than the iPhone I had that I downloaded everything in sight for. What programmes would I or could I buy for Android excluding games (3DS)? I can do everything (albeit not as well) that I can do in Linux on a desktop. I imagine the Linux software sale statistics would look the same: Surprise!

Right, because IOS is 15% of the market (0)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475138)

FTFA: "iPad and iPhone shoppers account for 90% of all mobile purchases; " Quite a bit different than the summary, eh?

All this means, dear summarizer, is that 90% of all mobile purchases are done by people with iphones. It's no indication that the iphone is dominating anything, except maybe people with money to burn.

[0] - http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-11-15/tech/30400455_1_ios-iphone-smartphone-market [businessinsider.com]

Re:Right, because IOS is 15% of the market (3, Informative)

arkane1234 (457605) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475250)

Thats... kinda.. what ... this.. article.. says...
Thus the title... "Apple Increases Dominance of Mobile Shopping".

Re:Right, because IOS is 15% of the market (4, Insightful)

sydneyfong (410107) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475296)

How is "90% of all mobile purchases" not "dominating mobile shopping"? It's exactly "dominating the market of people with money to burn", that's what is claimed and no more.

The fact that you somehow read it as "dominating mobile devices market share" or the likes, is your own comprehension problem.

I bought an ironic t-shirt ironically (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38475140)

tweeted from my iPad

Self-fulfilled research (5, Informative)

UBfusion (1303959) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475146)

If you can afford an iPhone 4Gs 64GB (€898.99 in my country, no contract) or an iPad 2 Wi-Fi 64GB ( €719.00), it's evident you have plenty more to spend online.

Re:Self-fulfilled research (1)

arkane1234 (457605) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475236)

In my country (USA) an iPhone 4s 64GB is $849 (no contract), and an iPad 2 Wi-Fi 64GB is $699.

Of course, that's nearly maxing out each of those devices, though.
You can get an iPhone 4s 16GB for 649 and an iPad 2 Wi-Fi 16GB for $499.

Re:Self-fulfilled research (1)

UBfusion (1303959) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475458)

If a difference of 849-629 = $220 is really such a deterrent to a prospective US buyer, whose average income is 6+ times our income, he shouldn't be buying an iPhone in the first place.

The main issue is that purchases made with iDevices are gossip/tweet/facebook newsworthy, while purchases made with lowly Android devices are doomed to be scuffed upon.

Re:Self-fulfilled research (1)

SvnLyrBrto (62138) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476196)

6+ times? I think your math is off.

According to averagesalarysurvey.com, the median income here in the US is $46,300. And the median income in the EU (Well... I'm assuming bit. But you did use the â in a previous post.) is â38,000 which converts to $49,605 at the current exchange rate; a somewhat higher income, actually.

Now, I know that taxes are higher in Europe so your actual take-home is probably lower. But you do get services for those taxes (better schools, public health care, mass transit that actually works) that are inadequate, for-pay, or entirely unavailable here.

Re:Self-fulfilled research (1)

SvnLyrBrto (62138) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476266)

Crud. Apparently, what my computer thinks is the symbol for the Euro and what slashdot thinks is the symbol for the Euro do not agree.

Re:Self-fulfilled research (1)

dward90 (1813520) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476742)

Legitimate question: are you exaggerating? Average household income in the U.S. 31,000 dollars (in 2007). The countries I see with 1/6th of that are Turkey and Mexico. Are you from either?

Speaking as an apple guy (1)

arcite (661011) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475376)

I just bought a cheap 4 gig Philips MP3 player at Radio Shack..cost me $100 and came with an arm band and headphones. The interface sucks, the ergonomics suck, and the colour is boring black...but it was 1/3 of the equivalent ipod (atleast here in Egypt). Anyhow, the only reason why I bought it was because I was having a cheap day and it was a present. Otherwise it would have been Apple premium all the way.

Re:Speaking as an apple guy (1, Informative)

narcc (412956) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475714)

Odd, I bought a cheap 2GB Sandisk MP3 player for $30 and added a 4GB SD card. The interface is simple and the ergonomics are great (It's comfortable to use, and you don't even need to look at it at all to operate it.) It comes in several different colors, and mounts as a drive under Windows, Linux, Macos, and even MS-DOS with DOSUSB installed. (No need to install iTunes crapware. I can also optionally use any one of many different programs to manage my files, if you like that kind of interface.)

It was way cheaper and MUCH more versitile than buying the equivalent Apple product (Oh, wait, Apple doesn't have an equivalent product! My bad.)

"Apple premium" costs more and does less.

I'm sorry that your Philips MP3 player was a waste. Perhaps you should do a bit more investigation before you make your next purchase?

Re:Speaking as an apple guy (2)

RogerWilco (99615) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476310)

What I really like about the modern smartphones is that instead of a lot of gadgets I only need to carry one. It's all of the following rolled into one: Map, TomTom, MP3 player, phone, address book, calendar, alarm clock, compass, portable gaming device, portable email device, portable browser, music tuner, metronome, noteblock, etc.

I used to carry an iPod, PDA, mobile phone, metronome/tuner, compass, TomTom, Gameboy, and sometimes even more stuff. I used to buy coats with a lot of big pockets.

Now I just carry a smartphone.

Re:Speaking as an apple guy (1)

narcc (412956) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476596)

Yeah, my phone does all those things as well. Still, sometimes a special-purpose device is a better match. ("works" and "works well" are often worlds apart.)

I have GPS in the car, because it's better suited than a phone for long trips. I have an MP3 player because it's easier to use without looking at the display. (It's also nice for travel, as I'm not worried about conserving my phone battery on long trips where I may not have access to an outlet for a long time). I have a kindle because the eink display is much nicer for reading than a tablet or smartphone screen.

Re:Speaking as an apple guy (1)

lexman098 (1983842) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476940)

Wouldn't the pda be capable of what the ipod does? Also, who carries a compass?

Re:Speaking as an apple guy (1)

kyrio (1091003) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475920)

That's interesting because the SanDisk Sansa Clip, which is a highly recommended product, is only $40 and it has everything working great for it.

Also interesting because you can get a huge selection of Cowon PMP, which are infinitely more powerful and useful than any Apple product, for much less than the cost of an Apple product.

Re:Speaking as an apple guy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38476180)

lmfao... you went to Radioshack? HAHAHAHA

Re:Speaking as an apple guy (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476762)

He did say in Egypt. Maybe they really are the place to buy consumer electronics in that part of the world.

Re:Self-fulfilled research (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38475434)

I see lot of poor people with iPhones, since they can get it with a credit ("subsidized" by an operator). It's a poor financial choice, but it's very common. It's pretty popular because it's a shiny status symbol.

Not so much (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38475476)

If you can afford an iPhone 4Gs 64GB (€898.99 in my country, no contract) or an iPad 2 Wi-Fi 64GB ( €719.00), it's evident you have plenty more to spend online.

That the average iPhone/iPad owner probably has more money than the average smartphone owner is not news.

That the (relatively small) number of iPhone and iPad owners collectively spend much, much more than the (relatively large) number of other smartphone owners collectively spend is big news.

And in many countries, the iPhone 3GS is free, or available for the price of a Coke, with contract.

Re:Not so much (1)

kyrio (1091003) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475958)

That the average iPhone/iPad owner probably has more money than the average smartphone owner is not news.

Actually, that is news. From the articles that have been posted in the past, it seems more like Apple product owners are constantly overdrawn due to their lack of sense and lack of money.

Re:Self-fulfilled research (1)

Synchblade (2535934) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476778)

Ditto. In fact, exactly what I was thinking when reading this article. I mean, a comparably priced ($499) tablet (Asus Transformer Prime) is quad-core vs. the iPad's dual-core processor, and a 12 hour battery vs. a 10 hour battery. Thanks to Amazon.com for the technical info. The only reason you would get an iPad is if you have a MacBook ($999) and/or an Apple TV ($99) and you want to synchronize and link stuff to other stuff and have all manner of compatibility with other Apple products. If you have all these, you probably have enough money to buy some pretty expensive stuff, online or otherwise.

So Why is this News? (3, Insightful)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475152)

...you probably spent more money than someone making an online purchase with an Android or a desktop computer.

But if you're an Apple fanboi you've already proven that you like spending lots more money, so why is this news?

Re:So Why is this News? (1)

horza (87255) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475380)

I was thinking the same. If you like over-priced hardware then why not over-priced software too? Why get something for free on Android when you can pay for it via iTunes and get that "spending buzz" shoppers can get addicted to.

Phillip.

Re:So Why is this News? (1)

UBfusion (1303959) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475546)

You are in the right direction, but you have to consider that most Apple fanbois don't know they are fanbois - they just do it subconsciously.

Re:So Why is this News? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38477994)

Hmm...

This sound's like a butt-hurt Android fanboi

Different demographics (2)

HideyoshiJP (1392619) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475154)

I'd imagine that with the iPad being seen as more of a luxury item and most iPhone users having a bit more disposable income than the 1 cent Android phone owners, it's only natural that this would occur. In other news, Volkswagen owners are 3 times more likely to wear beanies or recycle.

Re:Different demographics (1)

Daniel Phillips (238627) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475388)

I imagine that mePhone owners are more likely to buy the latest Apple product while Android owners are more likely to buy shares on the stock market with their disposable income.

Re:Different demographics (1)

HideyoshiJP (1392619) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475692)

Actually, I doubt many traders use Android phones. The general public has the impression that Apple products "just work," so naturally the trading types would want to use that as they're just "too busy" to deal with something like Android. I've found Android attracts the tinkerers, the engineers, the geeks and the people who can't justify the cost of an iPhone. All but the latter likely have more disposable income, but they're also not the type that spends their money on sweaters, living room decor or jewelry. They'd rather spend their money on new toys to play with, and often times they don't want to spend a lot on them. I realize this is a HUGE generalization and there are a million and one exceptions to this, but that's been my perception of the user base for each platform.

Re:Different demographics (1)

Daniel Phillips (238627) | more than 2 years ago | (#38477482)

"Buying stocks" is not "trading". I should know :-)

Yes, your generalization is huge. I can say I'm seeing more Android phones in the hands of cab drivers these days, and corporate executives too. I suppose it's all just part of a shift in perception of where the value and utility is. I can also say that on my most recent plane trip I didn't see any iPads and most laptops stayed in their bags but there was a massive amount of interest in the Xoom I was using with a bluetooth keyboard, which turns out to be a workable combination on the teensy dinner tray even when my seat is up and the seat in front of me is reclined. Something I was never able to do with a laptop. It's the portfolio case ($23) that makes this work, and the battery bump on the back of the keyboard, which just happens to hook over the portfolio case in such a way that I can touch type without contorting or dropping everything on the floor. So I'll call this progress, and hey, value. I don't really mind using the touchscreen instead of a mouse, but a lot could be done to reduce the number of times I have to take my hands off the keyboard. What's nice is, with Android I can easily fix a lot of this myself, and I don't need anyone's permission to share it. Last time I brought along a netpad just in case, but I never used it, so next trip I feel I only need two gadgets: Xoom and G2. Either one gives me full connectivity including ssh to my home server, which has been a big help on several occasions. Basically the Xoom gives me a full size keyboard and screen and a front facing camera, otherwise these gadgets provide equivalent functionality. Hmm, now that I'm thinking about it I guess I want to dock one to the other. Both already have a microsd card so that gives some minimal level of file transfer, but you have to pull the battery on the G2. Emergencies only. I tried Bluetooth pairing between the Xoom and G2 just now and it works. You have to make one or the other discoverable. It should also be possible to connect them by USB cable, I think the magic word is "Micro USB Male to USB A Female Adapter", $1.35 on Amazon. This might even charge the G2, then I don't even need to take a charger for the G2 on the road. The Xoom is another story, I forgot to bring its custom charger last time and as a result needed to conserve power by putting it in standby, then it made it through the 3 day trip OK. Next time I will bring at least the car charger ($32 on Amazon) and probably that's it - no sense risking leaving the AC adapter in some hotel room. Anyway, this is turning into an Android advertisement which I didn't intend. What I did intend is to say something about why Android devices satisfy my needs. The flip side of that is, Apple's devices satisfy my needs only if I lower my expectations and spend a lot of money.

iPhone and iPad owners spend more freely? (0)

erice (13380) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475188)

Who would guess that owners of expensive devices marketed for style rather that practicality would be less careful with their money?

Re:iPhone and iPad owners spend more freely? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38475230)

It's true. Rich people have no conception of value at all. That's how they got rich!

The Future (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38475190)

"Please connect to our online store using a preferred device" or "To take advantage of our special discount please use the appropriate device"

People with more money than sense. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38475272)

Apple fans love spending unnecessarily large amounts of money on pointless crap. Film at 11.

I am the 8% (1)

swillden (191260) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475342)

I like that much better than being the 99%.

Re:I am the 8% (1)

UBfusion (1303959) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475562)

I like the way you think, that's called artificial scarcity.

Translated (1)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475344)

"The majority out there consists of idiots who'll pay more than necessary."

Seems about right.

Conclusion is... (1)

Daniel Phillips (238627) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475350)

Apple device owners are spendthrifts, Android owners are frugal. And the news is?

Hit a Nerve? (4, Insightful)

Wingsy (761354) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475362)

Boy, just reading through the comments shows that this article really hit a nerve with the Android "fanbois".

Re:Hit a Nerve? (1)

Daniel Phillips (238627) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475482)

Actually, this troll article hit my funny bone.

Re:Hit a Nerve? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38475876)

I think slashdot should be renamed to AndroidFanLayer. The Android fans are relentless here.

Re:Hit a Nerve? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38476488)

Yes, and anyone who uses the word "fanboi" is, in fact, a fan-boy themselves.

There has always been some serious e-peen insecurity here on slashdot but this Apple/Android crap is ridiculous.

Re:Hit a Nerve? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38477920)

its not an epeen thing. There is a fundamental difference in the founding culture of slashdot and what is now an acceptable mainstream perspective on hardware, software, intellectual property: slavery.

So which is better to own? (1)

Dennis Sheil (1706056) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475390)

I develop for Android and own a Samsung 10.1" Galaxy (Android) tablet. I know someone who owns an iPad.

Several months ago, I wanted to give them SSH access to a server. So I looked at what iPad had to offer. I could find no free SSH client (as of a few months ago). Not even an ad-supported one. The best I could come up with was a nagware one - it allowed you 500 or so SSH keystrokes and then logged out and asked you to buy the client.

Meanwhile on my Android tablet, I have a free SSH client. It doesn't even have ads, it's open source! ConnectBot. There are other free Android ssh clients as well, but ConnectBot works for me so that's what I know.

Admittedly, I know more about Android than iPad. But the one thing I ever needed from iPad, I couldn't get for free. On Android I could. So which would I want to own more?

And as I said, I develop Android apps. If there was no good free SSH app for Android, I could have developed one. But there was one - ConnectBot. ConnectBot has no ads, but I would have been perfectly happy to have used a free SSH app with ads.

There are many revenue models for applications. Most of the top free apps have various alternative methods of getting revenue - and not just the apps like Facebook or ESPN Sportscenter. Ads are just one method, there's also upselling, and other revenue models.

At the end of the day, the real question is not what's good for the developer, but what's good for the customer? We have a platform that is developer-friendly but not user-friendly, it's called the Linux desktop. I like platforms that are good to developers, but there are many ways Android is good to developers that Apple is not. It costs me $25 for life to publish and Android app, without any application approval process (not $99 to $299 a year like Apple). I can publish the app anywhere, not just Apple's walled garden App Store. I can write and compile my app on Linux, Windows, Mac or whatever - I don't have to buy a Mac and then get Xcode. And it's not no one ever buys Android apps - some apps have made millions of dollars in sales (that we can see - in-app sales, ad revenue etc. is less visible). The revenue model just depends on the particular app.

Re:So which is better to own? (2)

LDAPMAN (930041) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475744)

You didn't look very hard. There are quite a few, there are even more that $.99 to $3.99. Two bucks is too much for you to contribute to some developer who did a great job of implementing a useful utility?

Re:So which is better to own? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38475808)

I ran smack into this problem myself. For an app, I spent $10 on iSSH, a commercial app that is decent. However, I ran into this problem again when wanting to do gpg/PGP stuff. No apps on the iPhone allow you to generate keys! So for this stuff, I had to jailbreak (and with iOS 5.0.x, most apps don't run, and the JB available are tethered, and the sole JB for the iPhone 4S won't be released until Apple gets iOS 5.1 out. Even before that, the terminal program on a jailbroken iPhone would crash on startup and had to be replaced by manually finding and installing the .deb file. At least the ssh and gpg stuff installs well in Cydia, but with iOS 5.x so difficult to work with, even this route is almost useless.

So, I ended up getting an Android device. Connectbot is great. I paid for Better Terminal Emulator Pro, and that has been working well. SSH isn't an issue, nor is signing/encrypting with PGP. To boot, an OS update is not going to put me out of business, especially if I choose to re-ROM and go with CyanogenMod. If my next phone can't be rooted, I'm still fine.

This shows the iPhone developer mentality. For most tasks, it works well. However, if you don't/can't do it "their" way (S/MIME E-mail comes to mind as it wasn't included until iOS 5.x), you are out of luck.

A good example of this is the task of ssh-ing into a box, grabbing a document, PGP encrypting it, and mailing it to a friend of mine. On Android, I fire up BTEP, scp the file to the SD card, fire up APG, then mail it off. On a new iPhone 4s, this is an impossibility. No jailbreaking, so the command line ssh and gpg programs are not usable, and you can't really copy a file from the remote server to the phone, then let another app have the file to encode and mail. The only way I can do this on my iPhone is to spin up a VM on linode.com, then use iSSH to ssh in, and from that VM, do the scp, gpg, and email out.

Symantec would take this market by storm if they put out a version of PGP for Android and iOS. In fact, they are sitting on mobile versions of PGP for Windows Mobile and other mobile operating systems. I definitely would buy a PGP app that could do files and clipboard signing/encryption/validation/decrypting.

Re:So which is better to own? (1)

jbolden (176878) | more than 2 years ago | (#38477440)

Or instead of hacking your device, you can just go legit...

Get the Apple SDK, and install whatever you want on your phone with no headaches or hassles.

Re:So which is better to own? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38476060)

posting anon to preserve moderation. but there are at least 2 free SSH clients for the iPad now.

Re:So which is better to own? (1)

ImFrom4Chan (2537490) | more than 2 years ago | (#38477766)

There are many revenue models for applications. Most of the top free apps have various alternative methods of getting revenue - and not just the apps like Facebook or ESPN Sportscenter. Ads are just one method, there's also upselling, and other revenue models.

Don't you just love it when amateurs spout how the professionals should go about feeding themselves?

there are many ways Android is good to developers that Apple is not.

/me spews latte all over his Mac Pro. (I kid, I'm on my Windows box)

Congrats... (1)

stevenfuzz (2510476) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476124)

You have been iScrewed.

Carrier IQ data has verified this . . . (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476178)

See, this information that Carrier IQ collects is very useful to the folks where it ends up. It is good for retailers to know if you are ordering something from an iPhone/iPad, so they can adjust the price accordingly.

In this case, up. And they know that you will probably buy more expensive stuff, so they can direct more advertising to you.

All this makes the markets and economy more efficient, so this is good for everybody.

Probably.

I think.

$123 for Apple, $101 for Android, but $87 for PCs? (1)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476252)

$123 for Apple mobile devices, $101 for Android devices, but $87 for desktop PCs?

Sounds very unlikely, to me, that mobile devices would average more expensive purchases than the desktop, even on average. I guess they don't count all the small apps for Apple devices, and ignore larger purchases typically done from your home PC, like used (an new) cars and hi-fi equipment etc.

Very strange numbers.

that's why (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38476430)

If IOS slogan is "There's An App For That" (it really should be "There's An Expensive App For That") Android slogan must be "There's An Free App For That"

Re:that's why (1)

gatkinso (15975) | more than 2 years ago | (#38477348)

That is pretty damn good.

Wife uses an Acer Iconia (1)

gatkinso (15975) | more than 2 years ago | (#38477340)

And she does all the shopping.

So there.

Actually, (1)

pgpalmer (2015142) | more than 2 years ago | (#38477690)

given that I don't HAVE an iPad, iPod, or iPhone, the chances are closer to 100% (I DO have an Android phone).

Oh, you meant "you" as in everybody averaged? Then use proper grammar.
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