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Go Daddy Reverses Course On SOPA

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the done-and-done dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Go Daddy has relented in the face of public pressure and will no longer support SOPA. 'Fighting online piracy is of the utmost importance, which is why Go Daddy has been working to help craft revisions to this legislation—but we can clearly do better,' Warren Adelman, Go Daddy's newly appointed CEO, said." Go Daddy was put under a tremendous amount of pressure from around the internet; a boycott had been organized for Dec. 29th, and several major sites threatened to pull their domains from Go Daddy, including Stack Overflow and I Can Has Cheezburger. The U.S. House Judiciary committee posted a list of companies who support SOPA (PDF).

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Obligatory (5, Interesting)

dch24 (904899) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474382)

<nelson>Ha Ha!</nelson>

In an effort to eliminate any confusion about its reversal on SOPA though, Jones has removed blog postings that had outlined areas of the bill Go Daddy did support.

Busted!

Re:Obligatory (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474498)

I've already transferred all of my domains and their mea culpa is meaningless. The damage was already done when they supported it. They didn't change their mind. You and I both know they still support SOPA and will continue to do so. The only difference between today and yesterday is that, today, they don't have a page on their website saying they support it. This is lie your cheating wife saying that her affair with some dude behind your back is over - now that she's been caught - while the truth is she's just telling you it's over and she's actually continuing to cheat behind your back.

I should have left GoDaddy ages ago. I just couldn't find an affordable alternative that wasn't sketchy and didn't really want to deal with the trouble of the process. This just finally put me over the edge.

Re:Obligatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474924)

But where did you go?

Re:Obligatory (4, Insightful)

Trepidity (597) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474696)

Correction: In an effort to sow confusion about its stance on SOPA, Jones has removed blog postings that had outlined areas of the bill Go Daddy did support.

New Record? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474392)

The story of GoDaddy supporting SOPA is still on /.'s front page, and now this....

Re:New Record? (4, Funny)

tqk (413719) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474948)

The story of GoDaddy supporting SOPA is still on /.'s front page, and now this....

Funniest thing I've seen in ages. :-)

From the looks of things, this's just multiplied the Drop GoDaddy boycott by the Steisand Effect.

Funny as hell. And I thought they'd lost any thinking customers once the elephant shoot hit the headlines.

Yuk, yuk, yuk, ...

Re:New Record? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38475088)

http://memegenerator.net/instance/12518082

Too late? (2)

QX-Mat (460729) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474394)

I've already transferred my domain and cancelled the auto renewal on another. Ha.

Re:Too late? (1)

Coward Anonymous (110649) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474422)

Ditto. Too late.

Re:Too late? (4, Informative)

ender- (42944) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474536)

Ditto ditto. My 3 domains are transferred off already. Honestly I've been planning on doing so anyway as GoDaddy sucks in so many other ways, so their change in course on SOPA is too-little too-late.

Re:Too late? (2)

RzTen1 (1323533) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474614)

Yep, moved all 18 of mine. I've been unhappy with their service for some time, and this finally gave me the little extra push needed.

Re:Too late? (3, Interesting)

jaymz666 (34050) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474718)

I have been transferring all my domains, it just takes forever with some of them. Since I had been intending to move them from godaddy anyway, this is the perfect excuse to do it.

Re:Too late? (3, Informative)

LighterShadeOfBlack (1011407) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474760)

I've already transferred my domain and cancelled the auto renewal on another. Ha.

Why only cancel the auto-renew on one? It's worth pointing out (in case this is your reason) that you won't lose your current registration time by transferring to a new registrar. Usually transferring to the new registrar involves paying for a 1 year renewal but this 1 year will be added on to your existing registration, not replacing it. For instance I had domains with Godaddy that expired in 2012 and 2013, now I've transferred to internet.bs they expire in 2013 and 2014 respectively.

Re:Too late? (4, Insightful)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474966)

Yeah, turns out that the vast majority of people that maintain websites are against SOPA. Which is totally obvious considering the demographic. One really wonders what the fuck GoDaddy thought was gonna happen here. This stupid SOPA shit is so totally stacked against anyone that isn't a Huge Media Conglomerate or MAFIAA fuck that they should have expected this response.

Besides, everyone knows they're not sincere with this reversal. They just don't want to lose their customer base. Probably should have thought before they backed legislation that directly harms their customer base, though...

GoneDaddy (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474400)

This is great, but their first response was less than endearing.

DUMP THEM! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474934)

No, it's not great. It's just damage control. Only a fool would believe that they really had a change of heart.

bad GoDaddy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474410)

Yes, and now they're spamming Twitter with @ posts to people almost every 30 seconds.

Believe it when I see it. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474412)

"Not supporting SOPA" isn't the same as "taking a stand against SOPA."

Too little, too late. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474414)

I want to see them actively lobbying against it now, instead of just taking back what they said. Then maybe I'll have some respect for them. I still plan on transferring away from them as soon as I can.

Just Goes To Show ... (5, Interesting)

Baby Duck (176251) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474416)

Voting with your dollars works!

Re:Just Goes To Show ... (1)

The Creator (4611) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474666)

Voting with your dollars works!

It will be really hard squeezing both Visa and Mastercard tho. And i'm sure many people would like to get in a few afterslaps for wikileaks too.

Re:Just Goes To Show ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474754)

Actually, by threatening to stop purchasing services from those companies supporting the bill, we're voting with their dollars, too.

Re:Just Goes To Show ... (4, Interesting)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475124)

Voting with your dollars works!

Unless of course it gets [redgreenandblue.org] you [gather.com] arrested [dailykos.com] instead. GoDaddy would probably be thrilled if they could have people arrested for transferring domains to another registrar if too many people try to do so at once -- and don't be surprised if some future version of DMCA/SOPA/FUBAR actually includes such a provision, or at least language which can be twisted that way. Face it, folks, they're not going to quit pushing.

GoDaddy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474442)

GoDaddy and PeeDaddy are my favorite RAP stars! They say things that are so meaningful!

I'm cool - right?!

Too little too late (5, Interesting)

LighterShadeOfBlack (1011407) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474468)

Already transferred my domains away today. Reversing their position doesn't really change anything at this point. They supported it and would've continued to if it hadn't been for the backlash.

And even besides that, their advertising schemes have been creepy from the start and Bob Parsons is now and always will be a cunt. SOPA support was just the straw that broke the camel's back for me.

Re:Too little too late (3, Interesting)

El_Muerte_TDS (592157) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474586)

The previous GoDaddy news item on /. was the straw for me. The SOPA support was just a motivator to put some more effort in moving all my domains.

Re:Too little too late (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474896)

Ditto that. It's going to be a huge hassle for me, especially as I thought I had my DNS info written down, but I don't... And they removed it as soon as I clicked 'transfer'. So now, even if I could stand the thought of going back, I wouldn't. It's too much hassle.

Wasn't aware we needed more laws (1)

Dr_b_ (112464) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474472)

In GoDaddy's word there are no elephants and we all live in a police state

Too Late. You've shown us your heart. (2)

_0x783czar (2516522) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474484)

GoDaddy has shown it's true colors. When they saw their business tanking they got scared and changed their mind, but we know where their heart lies now. I'm no longer going to support them.

Re:Too Late. You've shown us your heart. (4, Interesting)

CMiYC (6473) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474554)

How else would you expect a company to respond? How many times have people used the phrase "Vote With Your Dollars!"? This is exactly an example of that.

Go Daddy supported something. Its customers voted (or threatened to vote) with their dollars. Go Daddy re-evaluated what that meant and changed its stance.

Isn't that what you would want to see a corporate entity do?

Re:Too Late. You've shown us your heart. (4, Insightful)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474664)

Not really. I'd rather see them do the right thing in the first place. Instead of them being ass hats and only after they've pissed on enough customers make a superficial about face. Just so they can survive just long enough for most people to forget what they did and preform another ass hat move.

Re:Too Late. You've shown us your heart. (4, Insightful)

Y_Slide (1564671) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474676)

What I'd like to see is a change in behavior. If you are constantly evil, an apology won't cut it. What can correct this is changing your behavior and not being constantly evil.

Re:Too Late. You've shown us your heart. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474710)

Did they undo all the support in the past? No, they can't. We want companies not to do such things in the first place and the only way to get that is to punish in excess of whatever benefit they expect from whatever crap. In cases like GoDaddy, who have shown themselves to be idiots, assholes and such over and over again, the only solution is to never, ever give them any money. They aren't a person, no need to feel sorry for a company.

Re:Too Late. You've shown us your heart. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474726)

And when a company announces that they support the indiscriminate slaughter of Atheists, I will vote with my.. er.. wait, why the HELL would a company support the indiscriminate slaughter of atheists?

Why the HELL is a technology company in support of legislation that will screw over the populace to the perceived benefit of a few large corporations?

Are you aware of the phrase, "too little too late" ?

Re:Too Late. You've shown us your heart. (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474738)

Go Daddy re-evaluated what that meant and changed its stance.

Isn't that what you would want to see a corporate entity do?

It didn't change its stance. It dropped support for the bill, but still claimed that 'fighting online piracy is of the utmost importance'. So it's still not a company anyone should be dealing with.

Re:Too Late. You've shown us your heart. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474806)

This will, hopefully, serve as an example to other corporate entities: do the right thing first, not as damage control

Re:Too Late. You've shown us your heart. (1)

_0x783czar (2516522) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474858)

Go Daddy supported something. Its customers voted (or threatened to vote) with their dollars. Go Daddy re-evaluated what that meant and changed its stance.

Isn't that what you would want to see a corporate entity do?

It's not that I don't like that they've changed. It's just that they've lost my trust. I'm glad that people have voted with their dollars. But I can't trust them with my business anymore.

Re:Too Late. You've shown us your heart. (1)

synapse7 (1075571) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474870)

I think a difference in this situation versus other similar "vote with your dollars" situations is that enough ppl actually carried through with voting with their dollars. As pointed out by other posters, much of the time the only ppl in the know are "geeks/nerds" and in this situation happened to be in command of the voting dollars.

"List of companies who support SOPA" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474492)

First of all, it should say "a list of companies that support SOPA," because companies are not people. Second, why does the House Judiciary Committee, or anyone else, care what companies think? This is supposed to be government of, for, and by the people -- could we at least try to maintain that fiction, and have a list of PEOPLE who support or oppose the bill, rather than a list of companies?

Re:"List of companies who support SOPA" (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474568)

First of all, it should say "a list of companies that support SOPA," because companies are not people

Actually they basically are under US law. Immortal people who have no wants or desires beside profit and no obligations to society at large. The modern corporation is the true American Psycho.

Corporate clowns always win (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474494)

What is really sad is the executives that made the decision to support SOPA, if they had any sense at all, should have known that it wouldn't work. They just wanted to have more power over domains. Domain owners and web sites are their bread and butter, no the entertainment industry. What annoys me, after such a crass and stupid decision those selfsame execs will still reap god knows how much in bonuses and salary.

lolwut? (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474504)

several major sites threatened to pull their domains from Go Daddy, including Stack Overflow and I Can Has Cheezburger

ICHC is a major site? By what measure?

Re:lolwut? (2)

ender- (42944) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474562)

several major sites threatened to pull their domains from Go Daddy, including Stack Overflow and I Can Has Cheezburger

ICHC is a major site? By what measure?

Maybe not major in and of itself, but apparently the person who owns that domain also has over 1000 other domains registered with GoDaddy, so they'll be losing a fair chunk of renewal money there.

Re:lolwut? (5, Funny)

jd (1658) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474688)

"I can has renewal money" should be GoDaddy's new motto. Never nom the hand that pets you.

Re:lolwut? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38475018)

"I can haz renewal money"

+5 Funny nonetheless.

Re:lolwut? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38475032)

Their lolcats page alone gets more traffic than /. ever has. Not as major as a search engine, but it's still a fairly significant location.

Who is next? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474526)

Who is next on the list of companies that support SOPA? Should we carry on moving our business away from them?

Sony next? (0)

jmichaelg (148257) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474564)

Sony should be next.

They're on record as supporting SOPA and Protect-IP.

They're also the guys who dragged George Hotz to court for revealing their random number generator always returned 42

They're not as easy to boycott as Go Daddy is but a nice, polite email reminding them why you're not likely to buy, or recommend, their products wouldn't be amiss.

Re:Sony next? (1)

SteveFoerster (136027) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474714)

In one sense, Sony is easier to boycott than GoDaddy. Those of us who had domains with GoDaddy actually had to take action to move them. But with Sony, all it takes is not buying anything else with their logo on it.

The downside is that unlike with GoDaddy, the company won't notice it the same way unless we actively alert them, so in that sense, yes, it's harder.

Go Away Retard (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474844)

Fucking fanboys.

Sleazy company (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474566)

Too bad this just proves that you are a sleazy company. Sleazy commericals about sex,sleazy view on politics, and sleazy actions when people complain.

GoSleazy.com

Of which, 24% are law firms... (5, Insightful)

kfsone (63008) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474582)

... who stand to profit from the implementation of SOPA.

(Referring to the list of supporters)

Re:Of which, 24% are law firms... (1)

hjf (703092) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474832)

Also, why the fuck do L'Oreal and Revlon support an anti piracy law? Are they losing MILLIONS in downloaded cosmetics?

Re:Of which, 24% are law firms... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38475006)

I dislike the proposal. Yet those two companies has billions of counterfeit products they are trying to combat. The bill is being pitched to them that it will help them with that. So yeah from their point of view they would probably *love* the bill.

I still think the whole bill flies in the face of our due justice clause in the constitution... Is it *really* that hard to get a warrant? If so maybe *just maybe* you dont have a case... If the justice dept can not move fast enough for you maybe that is the problem to fix not more laws that stomp on everyone elses rights?

Whatever happened to "I would rather let 1000 murderers go free than one innocent man be behind bars"?

Re:Of which, 24% are law firms... (4, Interesting)

hetfield (129762) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474864)

And the most of the rest appear to be either unions (police and labor) and the content owners themselves like MPAA, ABC, CBS, NFL, and Disney (i.e. the usual suspects). GoDaddy seemed to be the only Internet based company on that list. I'm not sure I understand the motivation for all of the major drug and cosmetic companies, except to say that they rely heavily on copyright and patent to maintain their business models (no pun intended for the cosmetic companies).

Honestly, I was expecting that PDF to be a huge download, not 3 1/3 pages of companies I pretty much fully expected to see. If that's a mostly comprehensive list, I'm baffled as to why this sees so much support in Congress. The dollars must really be flowing from the usual suspects mentioned above.

Re:Of which, 24% are law firms... (1)

ancient_kings (1000970) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475094)

Why would the Blue Mafia (police and police unions) be behind this stalinist commie law to lock up individuals for a mere posting of a link to "copyrighted" material ?

The media companies heavily bribe congress (3, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475102)

That's why they have such undue pull. If you look at the American economy, tech companies are WAY bigger than media companies. Intel alone could practically buy and sell Hollywood. However they don't spend a whole lot on bribes. They give money, of course, all companies do, but not on the level media companies do. The media companies give tons and have lots of lobbyists. They are real big on trying to buy the laws they want.

Fuck GoDaddy - switch anyway. (4, Insightful)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474592)

Don't let laziness prevent you from doing the right thing. In the long run, most of the anti-SOPA registrars offer even cheaper services, so it makes sense even financially, if your ethical sense is underdeveloped.

Re:Fuck GoDaddy - switch anyway. (1)

StormReaver (59959) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475004)

I agree. I switched away from GoDaddy a few years ago, back when they started working with Microsoft to artificially inflate IIS's market share. I moved all of my domains to 1 if I still had any domains on GoDaddy, I would be in the process of switching away right now.

This just proves that I made the right choice.

Re:Fuck GoDaddy - switch anyway. (1)

StormReaver (59959) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475024)

Stupid Slashdot mangled my message. It should have been, "I moved all of my domains to 1&1".

Not good enough... (5, Insightful)

seebs (15766) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474602)

I am not interested in doing business with a company sufficiently clueless about the Internet that they would ever have supported that bill.

If they are that unclear on what the Internet is or why it matters, they can go be clueless without me.

I think we've reached the point where it's time to remember that the purpose of copyright is not to ensure absolute and perfect control, it's to give good enough control that people can figure out a way to make money doing creative work. You know what? People are making money doing creative work. We're done. The "problem" of piracy isn't a problem, any more than the expiration of copyright was a problem.

Re:Not good enough... (1)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475008)

But you where OK with doing business with a company whos TV adds made their domain hosting service look like a soft core porn site?

What's sad.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474648)

is how many law firms are listed.

Good alternatives to switch to? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474670)

Whom are some good companies I can switch over to away from SOPA-Daddy?

Thanks!

Re:Good alternatives to switch to? (1)

Depth (49867) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474764)

Whom are some good companies I can switch over to away from SOPA-Daddy?

Thanks!

I really like MDDHosting.com for hosting (I have three different level plans with them); I also like resell.biz as my registrar (I have several clients so I register domains for them via resell.biz, as well as my own. Lower cost than GD, free whois privacy, free dns.

Re:Good alternatives to switch to? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474802)

I've been with Name.com for over 5 years now and never once had a problem. Good prices, good site layout, and inexpensive WhoIs protection.

hilarity ensues with the timing (1)

dajjhman (2537730) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474712)

Anyone notice that this reversal notice is soon enough that scrolling down the first page still has the article of GoDaddy's support of SOPA? As for moving my domains, I haven't done it yet and with this I'm tempted to see what happens first... most likely going to look elsewhere anyways

I'd love to see a graph (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474778)

Can someone chart this mass exodus?

This is a typical GoDaddy scam (5, Interesting)

Arrogant-Bastard (141720) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474800)

We've seen the same thing with their treatment of spammer domains. It works like this:

We notice some spam. We report it to them. They ignore the reports.

We notice some more spam. We report it to them. They tell us it didn't come from their network/their customers/their affiliate/their anything.

We notice some more spam. We report it to them. They forward the reports to the spammers, who either list-wash us or send us more spam or send us nasty notes, sometimes with threats.

We notice some more spam. We report it more widely, and other people start taking notice. Eventually a number of people concur that yes, it's spam, and yes, it's GoDaddy's responsibility, and yes, they ought to do something.

When the chorus gets loud enough, GoDaddy finally does something -- like forcing the spammers to move their domains elsewhere. They announce this as a major blow against spam thanks to their own hard work and diligence. They trumpet their anti-abuse policies, pat themselves on the back, ignore the people who actually did the research, forget all about how long the abuse went on, and claim the whole thing as yet another win for themselves.

Process repeats.

So there is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that this is just the latest variation of that scam. GoDaddy is only allegedly changing its mind because of the money involved. It's not on principle, because they have none. I guarantee you that -- behind the scenes -- they're still doing everything they can to support this bill.

So, please, everyone: don't be naive and stupid enough to fall for this scam. Remember: if GoDaddy was REALLY against this bill, they could have said so yesterday. Or last week. They didn't.

These assholes... (3, Insightful)

RoknrolZombie (2504888) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474910)

...aren't going to stop pulling this bullshit if they backpedal every time a threat is made. BoA, Netflix, and now GoDaddy seem to be playing these types of games pretty regularly. I've been looking for a decent replacement registrar since seeing the original article this morning and I think that, despite their backpedaling, I'm going to pull my account from them anyway. You know, there's a saying that "it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission"...these assholes seem to want us to "forgive" them every time they threaten to take our rights away. It's abundantly clear that they aren't interested in preserving Freedom, so fuck them. Flame on...

SWITCH YOUR DOMAINS ANYWAY (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474940)

Go. Do it right now before you forget.

There is no reason at all to continue to do business with a shit scumbag company like godaddy.

Go switch right now. Before they screw YOU over.

Go Daddy is (3, Funny)

ancient_kings (1000970) | more than 2 years ago | (#38474962)

this month's internet bitch! Congrats to the GoDaddy executives and Bobbby Peason for being such wussies. You follow quite well in the standard neocon's shoes....

Transferred my domain (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38474994)

Transferred my domain earlier today anyway.

"Rouge Websites" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38475060)

Couldn't help but laugh when I clicked the list of supporters and the parent directory was named "Rouge Websites". Obviously this is a list of websites and companies that are Commie Red and support Big Brother controlling every part of your life, and the Judiciary Committee has been so kind as to identify them for us.

Thanks for being so helpful House!

Not Enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38475074)

Way to dance around the issue GoDaddy, but we can clearly do better.

The legislation is not needed, I'm curious to why GoDaddy would have ever supported this... They surely wouldn't use their large number of patents (65; 200+ pending) in conjunction with SOPA-like bills to shut down competition!

If anything events like these are indicators of a need for a massive shift in draconian 'intellectual property' law and vulnerable-to-idiot-politicians-with-stretchy-pockets internet infrastructure.

Now I know why Revlon is on the list... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38475076)

Anyone else take the time to see what the PDF link was - it was for the list of those who supported rouge (not rogue) websites. Now I know why Revlon is on the list - they don't want anyone else horning in on their coveted cosmetics market!

The link in question: http://judiciary.house.gov/issues/Rouge%20Websites/SOPA%20Supporters.pdf [house.gov] .

Liar liar pants on fire. (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38475120)

GoDaddy is a company, best known for their bad service and lack of morals. GoDaddy are two-faced liars.

MasterCard is in the SOPA supporter list... (2)

krouic (460022) | more than 2 years ago | (#38475126)

... time to switch to ... ... wait a minute... ... Visa, Inc is also in :-(

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