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Galaxy S and Galaxy Tab Won't Get Android 4.0

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the won't-fit-on-triangular-tablets-anyway dept.

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bonch writes "Samsung has announced that the Galaxy S smartphone, which sold 10 million last year, and the Galaxy Tab tablet won't be receiving the Android 4.0 update, known as 'Ice Cream Sandwich.' Samsung claims the devices lack enough RAM and ROM to run Android 4.0 alongside TouchWiz and other custom 'experience-enhancing' software. Note that the Galaxy S runs the same hardware as the Nexus S, which is already receiving the Android 4.0 update."

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No *official* port. (5, Insightful)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476424)

Unless there is an effort to actively block the porting of 4.0 to these devices, there is likely to be an unofficial port.

Re:No *official* port. (5, Insightful)

Grave (8234) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476486)

CyanogenMod 9 will almost certainly make it to most of the Galaxy S/Tab devices that have CM7 support. The main problem is that there is not enough storage space to have ICS with Touchwiz--on a custom/AOSP ROM, that's a non-issue.

Re:No *official* port. (5, Interesting)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476520)

The correct answer is then to drop touchwiz. I really wish google would demand that these frontends be nothing more than an apk if you want to use their trademarks.

Re:No *official* port. (4, Informative)

Threni (635302) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476860)

Android is open source. Google is in no position to demand anyone does anything.

Re:No *official* port. (5, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476916)

To use the trademarks and get access to the market you need Google's blessing. They can easily demand stuff like this.

Re:No *official* port. (3, Insightful)

dhart (1261) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476992)

Have you been paying attention? Google controls Android branding and access to the App Market. If Google wishes to put sensible conditions on Android distributors they can do so. Why they haven't done this is anyone's best guess.

Re:No *official* port. (1)

Githaron (2462596) | more than 2 years ago | (#38477016)

I don't think that protects the trademark. Just the source. Personally, while I want the OS to remain open source, I would love if Google made some more rules that the manufacturers would have to follow in order to market their devices as "Android" devices.

Re:No *official* port. (2)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476502)

CyanogenMod RC1 of CM9 is out, for the Captivate at least. After Samsung's 'improvements' I'd far rather have a CyanogenMod version anyway. Faster updates, no laggy filesystem.

Re:No *official* port. (2)

teh31337one (1590023) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476568)

There were 3 problems with Galaxy S, imho. 1) Shitty rfs file system. 2) Shitty GPS. 3) Relatively low RAM. Even the initial builds for Galaxy S were close to maxing out the /system partition space.

Galaxy S II made some good changes to the device. 1GB of RAM, 512MB for the /system partition, and decent GPS. Galaxy S II is everything Galaxy S should have been.

Re:No *official* port. (2)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476606)

The SGS with Cm7.1 and a custom kernel is an awesome phone ... but yeah, it took some work to get there.

Re:No *official* port. (1)

teh31337one (1590023) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476768)

The difference between Galaxy S and Galaxy S II was truly amazing for me. Gone the RAM problems and GPS problems. Gone the filesystem problems (although supercruio fixed that many many moons ago). It was like a revelation for me, and after I sold my Galaxy S, it cost me only ~£100 :)

Re:No *official* port. (5, Informative)

Feyr (449684) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476518)

there already IS an unnofficial port, im running a beta of it right now and it's miles ahead of what samsung is providing.
no random crash, or reboot, the status bar doesn't get stuck on top and i can actually answer every calls i receive (unlike the samsung rom which would make the touchscreen totally unresponsive about 25% of the time). to top it off, my battery lasts around 2-3 days instead of the 18 hours i was getting

Re:No *official* port. (3, Interesting)

Liambp (1565081) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476570)

There are already a few unofficial ports in advanced beta and threads on XDA developers indicate that everything works just fine. .

While I am somewhat disappointed by Samsung's lack of commitment to provide ongoing support such a successful product I am not sure this makes any difference really. Users who are not hacking their phones probably don't want such a radical upgrade. Users who are into hacking will get it unofficially.

Already exists (4, Informative)

Chemisor (97276) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476746)

Get yours here [theandroidsoul.com] . I'm sure there are others, but this is the one I found first.

same hardware - not the geeks deciding = marketing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38476436)

Most of the Samsung devices have the same hardware basics, so why do this?
Marketing is the only answer. If the geeks were running the show, we would have it already.

So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38476442)

Look, I understand the desire to have the latest and greatest, but really, this is not a big deal. Both of these devices will continue to run just fine and support every app whose developer isn't retarded. ICS is not a necessary upgrade.

Re:So what? (0)

Feyr (449684) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476530)

except it doesn't run fine. it's completly buggy and shouldn't ever have been released to the public

completely buggy my rear.... (1)

guttergod (94044) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476666)

Because millions of people buy a phone that doesn't work?

Re:completely buggy my rear.... (1)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476740)

Millions of people bought a device with bugs, certainly. The serious performance issues with the Captivate running the default ROM were on their own a serious QA failure.

Re:completely buggy my rear.... (1)

guttergod (94044) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476806)

Sure, it has bugs, I'm not trying to say anything else. But for most people it's still workable. "Completely bugged" implies useless, and that doesn't really apply.

Re:completely buggy my rear.... (1)

BluBrick (1924) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476764)

Oh dear. Buggy does not mean doesn't work. It means doesn't work well. Millions of people will buy a device like that and then discover that they have to reboot it every so often.

In other words ... (4, Funny)

olsmeister (1488789) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476444)

upgrade your old phone, sheeple.

Re:In other words ... (5, Insightful)

DrGamez (1134281) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476540)

Every time I see the word sheeple I honestly cannot take the person seriously. I understand it's a fun and descriptive word but it's embarrassing to use is it not? Might as well call them dummy poo-poo heads.

Re:In other words ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38476890)

Every time I see the word sheeple I honestly cannot take the person seriously. I understand it's a fun and descriptive word but it's embarrassing to use is it not?

No.

Re:In other words ... (1, Funny)

mr1911 (1942298) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476942)

Every time I see the word sheeple I honestly cannot take the person seriously. I understand it's a fun and descriptive word but it's embarrassing to use is it not?

No.

No, you dummy poo-poo head.

Re:In other words ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38477010)

Everytime I see a post by DrGamez, I honestly think you're some sort of retard that spends all day sucking dicks for crack money.

Re:In other words ... (1)

SomePgmr (2021234) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476554)

Indeed and, "No, we're not foregoing the opportunity to keep our own junk in front of your faces just so you can have the fancier OS."

Re:In other words ... (4, Interesting)

Dan East (318230) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476564)

In other words, blame Samsung either way you want to look at it - because they're too lazy / incompetent to do it, or because they preload so much proprietary bloatware on the device that it can't do much more than stock. HTC is just as bad, with background processes like Stock Updates using 20 MB of RAM (even if the widget isn't even being used) that can't be killed or disabled without rooting the device.

I disagree, this is good for users (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38476588)

When a new version of iPhone came out, a new version of iOS came out alongside it and the old phones just weren't able to run it smoothly. (Everything worked but using the phones felt sluggish) People using the old phones with the new OS version were generally a bit annoyed and said "Fine. I guess I'll need to buy a new phone". I think that's exactly the kind of situation Samsung tried to avoid here.

Sure, you could say "They should provide the update and then have large signs 'We recommend you never install this, but if you want to make your device sluggish, so be it'...". I might even agree there (more freedom to use my device as I wish is always nice) but I don't think any less of Samsung if they can't be bothered with that.

Ideal case would be if they had the option to upgrade but would also offer option to revert the upgrade... but I don't know if there are any technical restrictions involved there.

Re:I disagree, this is good for users (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38476678)

i agree with you for the most part, but my Galaxy S is BAD ASS now that i have ICS running on it. it is responsive, smooth, and nice. far better than it ever was stock.

Re:In other words ... (1)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476698)

Wait, are they saying the Galaxy Tab or Galaxy Tab 10.1 won't get it? Because the 10.1 has only been out for 6 mont--oh I see what you're doing there.

Re:In other words ... (1)

vencs (1937504) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476796)

As you said, it is clearly a marketing ploy to get Galaxy S people onto their Galaxy S2 phones for which they confirmed an ICS update last week.

But after a couple of years, I think it is okay to change to a powerful, slimmer, handsome phone.

--
Asimo silently hates technophiles.

I don't own a Samsung smartphone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38476476)

I don't own a Samsung smartphone, but anyway. They should allow users to optionally upgrade to 'stock' ICS. Also, if you do that, you should provide some way to roll back, just to be nice.

This is why you buy a vanilla device (5, Interesting)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476500)

If you want upgrades don't get a phone with these extras on top. Touchwiz, Sense and Blur all suck and all prevent phones from being updated. Vote with your dollars.

I will be getting a Galaxy Nexus as soon as it is 199 or below, I won't pay more for a phone on contract.

You don't have to buy vanilla to get upgrades (1)

Artifex (18308) | more than 2 years ago | (#38477086)

Some of us do like these UIs. I happen to like Sense, and that's why I bought my Inspire 4G (aka Desire HD).
It's running a ROM (RCMix3D Runny 4.0) that is Android 2.3.5 (which is later than official for my phone) and retains Sense 3.5 (which is also later than official).
I could have easily picked a ROM without Sense as well, like MIUI or Cm7, etc.
And yeah, there's people working to port ICS to the Desire HD line, too. Haven't decided if I want it, yet. :)

Galaxy S i9000 Got Two Full OS updates (5, Interesting)

teh31337one (1590023) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476516)

From Éclair to Froyo to Gingerbread, and went through a total of 7 relatively major update [samsung.com]

That's all I expected from the phone when I got it, tbh.

Re:Galaxy S i9000 Got Two Full OS updates (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38476576)

Somehow it still has the refinement of a 2007 phone.

Re:Galaxy S i9000 Got Two Full OS updates (1)

Idbar (1034346) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476648)

I haven't even checked for GIngerbread on my captivate. The step to froyo on my system was catastrophic. My phone now hangs sometimes, and I have to remove the battery for it to react again.

ATT always says there are no upgrades/updates available, so I stopped checking. Samsung should seriously do something about their chain. I can blame one, the other, I wanted to believe it was ATT, but now I think they are both.

But thanks Samsung, now that I know Intel is probably releasing phones with medfield soon, I'll wait for it, and see if hopefully Intel makes our lives simpler and allows us to have a wider spectrum of things we can install on thoes x86 platforms.

Re:Galaxy S i9000 Got Two Full OS updates (1)

teh31337one (1590023) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476722)

Well, their update system uses their shitty kies software instead of OTAs. Just root it, stick a custom recovery on, back up your data and flash a gingerbread ROM with ext4 filesystem. There's night and day difference between froyo and gb on it, and the process shouldn't take more than an hour.

Re:Galaxy S i9000 Got Two Full OS updates (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38476654)

Arent AT&T customers still waiting for 2.3?

Re:Galaxy S i9000 Got Two Full OS updates (1)

teh31337one (1590023) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476694)

Dunno, but the European Galaxy S (i9000) was the first non-nexus device to get official gingerbread. Captivate isn't much different from i9000, and there were fully functional (bar GPS) ports of it a few days after release

Re:Galaxy S i9000 Got Two Full OS updates (5, Informative)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476790)

But on the whole support by Android devices of new version of the software is atrocious [theunderstatement.com] :

"7 of the 18 Android phones never ran a current version of the OS.
12 of 18 only ran a current version of the OS for a matter of weeks or less.
10 of 18 were at least two major versions behind well within their two year contract period.
11 of 18 stopped getting any support updates less than a year after release.
13 of 18 stopped getting any support updates before they even stopped selling the device or very shortly thereafter.
15 of 18 don’t run Gingerbread, which shipped in December 2010.
In a few weeks, when Ice Cream Sandwich comes out, every device on here will be another major version behind.
At least 16 of 18 will almost certainly never get Ice Cream Sandwich."

Re:Galaxy S i9000 Got Two Full OS updates (3, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476854)

But many of them will still get security fixes and bug fixes for the version of the OS they are on. Verizon just a few weeks ago released a bugfix update for the original droid.

This is like complaining that your Vista PC is one major version behind, when it is still getting updates and is still useful.

I avoid this on my phone and my computers by running FREE software.

Re:Galaxy S i9000 Got Two Full OS updates (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38477012)

What phone do you have that has free drivers? Most don't, so I am just wondering. For example, with Android the drivers are usually grabbed from a recovery image or the like and then placed into builds such as CyanogenMod, etc. Does yours have truly free (FOSS) drivers? If so (honest question, really) does it work well compared to other phones running stock?

Re:Galaxy S i9000 Got Two Full OS updates (1)

teh31337one (1590023) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476876)

It's easy to say, that, but I can list a bunch of devices that have had two full software updates, same as most iPhones. Galaxy S, HTC incredible/evo, Motorla Droid X, SE Xperia X10. All flagship devices, all got 2 software updates.

That chart points out the differences of how software is updated on the platforms, and how fast it is iterated. The android model is not the same as the iPhone model, and to compare it as such is simplistic to say the least. iPhone 3G was unusable after it got updated to iOS 4, and then by iOS 4.2, Apple shitcanned support for it too.

Re:Galaxy S i9000 Got Two Full OS updates (1)

teh31337one (1590023) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476904)

Besides, does not having the latest version of the OS on your phone suddenly make it horrible? There are many people out there that simply don't care what version of software is on their phone. A friend for example didn't want me to update their ZTE blade to a newer version of CM7 because the version they already had was working fine.

Re:Galaxy S i9000 Got Two Full OS updates (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38477060)

The PURE Samsung Galaxy S got Gingerbread. As a Samsung Vibrant owner (T-mobile variant of the Galaxy S) I have only Froyo and at this point I feel lucky to have gotten that much.

I'd gladly give up Touchwiz to have a longer useful lifespan. Developers won't support Froyo forever. Hell, I wouldn't mind a new version of Froyo that has working GPS. I never saw all these issues when I was researching which phone to get.

Seeing the horrendous support for this flagship phone has made me seriously question ever getting a Samsung phone ever again. Buyer beware.

That's a big reason why I don't buy Android (4, Insightful)

wisebabo (638845) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476524)

Sorry to be a downer but lets face it, once Samsung or another hardware manufacturer collects your money, you're on your own.

That's a big reason why iOS device owners have ALWAYS ranked their satisfaction much higher than Droid users.

Sorry but that's the truth.

Re:That's a big reason why I don't buy Android (4, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476546)

So you get updates a tiny bit longer but lose out on a bunch of other stuff. Life is full of tradeoffs. I certainly would not be satisfied with such a device.

Re:That's a big reason why I don't buy Android (-1, Troll)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476770)

What do you lose out on, specifically? The ability to run a slow pseudo-Java runtime?

Re:That's a big reason why I don't buy Android (4, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476898)

The ability to run the software I want not what someone else wants. I can replace stock apps, I can and have upgraded the OS without official support. I can also get GPLed software on my phone.

If you want to let someone else control your computing devices that is up to you. To each their own.

Nice trollish response though. Pretty pathetic for someone old enough to have a 6 digit uid.

Re:That's a big reason why I don't buy Android (2, Insightful)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476910)

You can run software you want on iPhone OS. Does the name Cydia ring any bells?

There have been plenty of locked-down, market-only Android devices too, by the way. Motorola Backflip and other early AT&T Android devices are proud members of that club.

Re:That's a big reason why I don't buy Android (0)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476938)

Sure, but they don't make up 100% of the market.

You can't alter the OS in a meaningful way. You don't have the source to do so.

Re:That's a big reason why I don't buy Android (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38477064)

Maybe it's the ability to choose from a wide variety of software and not have a single corporate overlord deciding what software you will run on your device? Sure Android has an official market, but it is easy to use other markets or side-load apps. Also, I can dabble in Android programming (as a hobby) for free. I think it costs at least a bit to the dev kit from Apple. That is why I do the Android and not the Apple.

Re:That's a big reason why I don't buy Android (3, Informative)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476858)

Look at this chart [theunderstatement.com] , tiny bit longer doesn't quite cover it. Though of course for some this will be a completely acceptable trade-off it'd be better if most people were on a recent version of the OS just from the security standpoint [cnet.com] . We've already seen with Windows XP what having a large group of outdated computers on a public network does and it's not pretty.

Re:That's a big reason why I don't buy Android (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38476902)

Oh, come now – when did a guaranteed three years of major upgrades, a variety of featureful point-releases, and reliable stream of security patches become "get[ting] updates a tiny bit longer"? Let's face it: without in-depth research, a consumer that lands him- or herself an Android will more likely wind up with security-only patches (if, even) for the life of their product ownership.

Android handsets are a crapshoot at best. And most people wind up with crap.

Point of curiosity: I wonder how long a "free" iPhone owner (today that's anyone purchasing a 3GS after mid-October 2011) will get iOS upgrades for their handsets. Only time will tell.

Re:That's a big reason why I don't buy Android (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38476560)

That's also why my first-generation iPod touch can run iOS 5 without any problem.

Oh wait, it can't. I can't even upgrade to IOS 4 either, it's stuck at 3.1.3, forever.

Re:That's a big reason why I don't buy Android (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38476686)

The first generation iPod touch was released over 4 years ago.

The Galaxy S is 1.5 years old, and is still sold in many countries, or was until very recently.

Great comparison you got there.

Re:That's a big reason why I don't buy Android (0)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476780)

You can get ICS for it already, unofficially. Heck you could build it for the G1 if you wanted, not something you will be able to do for your touch.

Re:That's a big reason why I don't buy Android (1)

DrGamez (1134281) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476562)

It's how I felt. I have a Nexus One and I think it's the only phone that can compete on the same level as an iOS machine.

Re:That's a big reason why I don't buy Android (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38477026)

Yup. I have an iPhone, but might consider an Android device in the future.
That said, I would never buy anything that isn't made by Google themselves. Every other handset manufacturer has zero interest in supporting you long term.

Re:That's a big reason why I don't buy Android (1)

owlstead (636356) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476610)

That's a bit overstated - as HTC user I got one or two updates over the first year at least - but I must admit it is a drawback of smartphones in general. You would expect at least security updates from the phone manufacturer (although when using Java, the chance of a non-native app escaping the sandbox or attacking the system should be much lower). I've installed a modded version on my HTC hero, which now runs way better, but I must admit it's a bit large regarding RAM and flash usage. That's one thing, I would rather buy a new model with more RAM than anything else - a quad core CPU won't do much to enhance my experience, but more RAM certainly would. Oh, and replacing the internal flash with some kind of SSD chip would be nice too of course.

Re:That's a big reason why I don't buy Android (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38476612)

So your original iPhone has iOS 5?

Lets be honest here you are just trying to justify your apple purchase.

It is a good phone and I am glad you are happy with it. However, set your buyers remorse at the door please...

Galaxy S was released in June 2010 (4, Informative)

jmcbain (1233044) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476658)

The Galaxy S, which is the subject of this article, was released in June 2010. The original iPhone was released in 2007.

Re:That's a big reason why I don't buy Android (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38476618)

hows that iphone 3 with ios 5 on it working for you? oh, wait. it didnt get upgraded?

Galaxy S was released in 2010, iPhone 3G in 2008 (4, Informative)

jmcbain (1233044) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476718)

The iPhone 3G was released in July 2008 and discontinued in June 2010. Its successor, the 3Gs was released in June 2009 and is still being sold; it can run iOS 5 except for Siri, which is an iPhone 4s feature. The Galaxy S, which is the subject of this article was release in June 2010.

Re:That's a big reason why I don't buy Android (3, Interesting)

dingen (958134) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476924)

Actually, my iPhone 3GS has been feeling quite a bit snappier since I upgraded it to iOS 5 a few months ago and the new features are nice as well. And that's a phone which was released a year before the Samsung Galaxy S. Thank your for asking.

Re:That's a big reason why I don't buy Android (-1, Troll)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476978)

So how is siri working out for you on it?
Oh wait, you don't have the whole OS. Just enough to make you want to upgrade. How nice of them.

Re:That's a big reason why I don't buy Android (4, Interesting)

Moridineas (213502) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476620)

I'm not really sure to what degree that is true. I won't argue that Apple does not offer better support for older devices than most Android sellers, as I do think that is totally true.

I have a 3gs that is 2.5 years and still fully supported. Still being sold, even!

But I would say that there IS some disgruntlement over older releases running on new harder in the iOS world. iOS5 is worth it for me for the features, but my phone at times lags when it never lagged before. Likewise, when iOS4 came out, many iPhone 3g owners said it slowed down their devices horribly. I even know a couple people who said they upgraded to the iPhone 4s because iOS5 had slowed down their older iPhones to the point they felt it was worth a new phone.

Re:That's a big reason why I don't buy Android (5, Insightful)

nahdude812 (88157) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476630)

Apple does the same thing, except they let you upgrade the core OS version number, you just don't get access to the hottest new wizbang features. For example, Siri won't run on stock iPhone 4 phones even though hackers have proven it's not a hardware restriction.

If you buy Google's flagship devices, they get the OS updates without the handset manufacturers being able to drag their feet to prompt you to buy new instead of upgrade existing.

In cases like the original Galaxy Tab from Samsung, this seems like it's false advertising. When they released this device running Gingerbread, they promised it would get a Honeycomb makeover. When Google was tight-fisted with Honeycomb source saying, "Wait for ICS," Samsung said they'd stick it out for ICS instead. However now that ICS is out, they're going back on their word and apparently OS updates for that brand of tablet are now dead at two versions behind.

This is the reason I've stopped buying Samsung hardware, I can't trust them to honor their word about when they'll upgrade the devices since they often promise to and rarely do. Otherwise I'd own a Galaxy Tab 10.1, it's a pretty slick device; I just don't want a dead-end path on upgrades. I plan to get the Asus Transformer Prime instead when it becomes available (glad I waited, Prime is much better).

Re:That's a big reason why I don't buy Android (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38477074)

you just don't get access to the hottest new wizbang features

Siri is the one exception. You've got access to every other feature and the iOS API is far, far better than the Android API.

That's a big reason why I buy Android (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38476822)

once Samsung or another hardware manufacturer collects your money, you're on your own.

That's exactly why I prefer Android. You buy the hardware, and you're on your own. You can root it and install whatever OS you want on it and it's okay, big brother isn't watching over your shoulder to make sure you run a big brother approved OS. With Apple, god forbid you remove some of Apple's draconian restrictions, they go nuts and make sure the next patch breaks things. It's their way or no way.

neutered upgrades you mean. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38476842)

NOT all of v5.0.1's features work all the way back to each iPhone 5.0.1 was released for .. so no upgrade or a slow and neutered upgrade?

rooting is EASY and installing ICS on these devices is EASIER ... just upgraded two of my co-workers Vibrants this morning and they are tickled to death with them. They say they are twice as fast as 2.2.1 which was as far as this phone got ... SOOO just like with your PC .. DO IT YOURSELF or have someone with a clue do it. I swear there is a business model in this somewhere. :D

Re:That's a big reason why I don't buy Android (1)

stevenfuzz (2510476) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476856)

1. Go into the apple store with an issue and try to talk with one of their angry "Geniuses" without a "Reservation", then let me know how amazingly satisfied you are. 2. Samsung is not the only company to make android phones. It's like saying, I hate PCs because my Dell Keyboard sucks. Who is another manufacturer, LG? You know both companies make a bunch of the parts for your iToy right? All while you forget about the Sari servers being up and down for weeks, wifi not working, and so on and so on. The iGirls are up to their brims with customer satisfaction over buying into their apple cult regardless of what iDevil is poking up their rares. 3. Source for customer satisfaction? I hear customer satisfaction for Power Wheels is ALLAYS ranked higher than Toyota. I think I'll trade in my Prius for a mini Jeep with built in Speak and Spell.

Re:That's a big reason why I don't buy Android (0)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#38477034)

My Droid X2 got upgraded to Gingerbread. Guess I wasn't really on my own, was I?

Apple users self-report their satisfaction to be high because, like you, they convince themselves of what they want to believe, and damn the facts.

There's nothing sadder than people white knighting for a multi-billion dollar international corporation. Sorry, but that is the real truth.

Worst Product Name Ever (5, Funny)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476566)

TouchWiz? Sounds like a GUI for paedophiles.

How did their marketing department ever let that one out? Its almost as bad as HP using that Gary Glitter song "Touch Me" for their touchscreen PC advertisements.

Write your own OS, that's the power of open source (2)

jmcbain (1233044) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476572)

Who cares if your phone doesn't support some "official" OS that the MAN says you can or cannot have in his walled garden? The beauty of open source is that YOU can write your own operating system. Just fire up vi/emacs, write whatever YOU want to write, and then use gcc to compile it into YOUR personal OS. That's the POWER of open source.

They are right (5, Interesting)

stoanhart (876182) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476574)

Regarding this line:

>> "Note that the Galaxy S runs the same hardware as the Nexus S, which is already receiving the Android 4.0 update."

Yes, the Nexus S has ICS; I'm running it on my Nexus S, and it's fantastic. However, you can really, really feel the fact that the phone only has 512 MB of RAM. If you open a memory intensive app (web browser, for example), pretty much everything else gets swapped out; when you next press Home, you have to wait a second or two for the launcher to be restarted, or worse, for the keyboard to load.

Since TouchWiz would add even more bloat, I can totally see how 512 MB just won't cut it.

Re:They are right (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38476906)

Well, I was playing with a friend's Nexus S the other day and actually came out impressed.
I kept opening apps and apps and apps to see when they would start to get killed of, but it kept running *very very* smoothly. At some point I opened an N64 emulator and another friend "stole" the phone from me and started playing, and it was perfectly smooth.

After playing 10-15m of the emulator, I closed it, and most of the apps (I had 15-20 open) had been closed, but the last 5 were still open, and always very smooth.

So I would say, try it out for yourself. I liked it, and would easily recommend a Nexus S as one of the best current mid-range phones.

Re:They are right (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38477048)

Well, I was playing with a friend's asS the other day and actually came.

There. Fixed that for ya.

Re:They are right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38476946)

Weird. The iDevices have max 512MB of ram, and they have zero problems with lagging. While it is true that Android adds bloat that really doesn't fit well with mobile devices, there are probably other Android devices with 512MB and ICS.

Re:They are right (5, Insightful)

dingen (958134) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476948)

However, you can really, really feel the fact that the phone only has 512 MB of RAM

I know it's 2011 and the world has moved on since the dark ages of the Commodore 64 and everything, but still a quote like this makes me feel profoundly sad inside.

That's what you get when you add crud (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38476604)

taking the comments from Samsung (which are probably bull) at face value, that just means the crap Samsung adds to their android phone are bloated softwares.

Phone are simply starting to feel what IBM felt long ago with PC. Phone hardware is becoming more of a commodity with minor differences while the key parts are software. If phone makers can't find a way to make succeed/money in this new environment, they will ultimately fail. And that basically include having good software that preferably unique, and making money through that front from selling a phone with that unique software to possible extended support fees for updates (no one said phone upgrades had to be free, servers cost money along with human effort).

Samsung are being shortsighted here (4, Insightful)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476668)

I just do not understand how companies like Samsung expect that any publicity from such a move would be positive? I mean, how?

What that would have done is to engage services of folks like these [cyanogenmod.com] , who churn out credible software. These folks would do all the heavy lifting for a what is pocket change to Samsung.

Samsung, please be serious.

Re:Samsung are being shortsighted here (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38476804)

I'm not sure they're being as short sighted as you suggest. Cyanogen Hired by Samsung, Will Continue Work on CyanogenMod for Android. [slashgear.com]

Re:Samsung are being shortsighted here (1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476844)

Then why is this *not* the story? Bad PR? You tell me. Either way, Samsung are being reckless with their "brand" I think. This attitude might bite them in the you know where.

funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38476692)

That's funny because I'm typing this message from a galaxy s running ICS. It's at least as smooth as CM7 was and a lot faster than samsung's terrible factory roms.

Ok Samsung... (1, Troll)

stevenfuzz (2510476) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476714)

When they say "devices lack enough RAM and ROM to run Android 4.0 alongside TouchWiz and other custom 'experience-enhancing' software", what they really mean is "Buy one of our new phones or get nothing". My question is, does Apple have a patent for "Creating expensive hardware which will be replaced within 6 months and will never work right with upgrades"? I see a suit coming on.

Was planning on buying one (1)

andymadigan (792996) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476918)

I was actually going to buy a Galaxy Tab 7 "plus" along with a car dock for it next week, looks like I'll have to find a different tablet, or wait for CyanogenMod to come up with a hack before I buy it.

Samsung, drop TouchWiz, it sucks anyway.

Odd story (1)

CrkHead (27176) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476926)

This comment is being composed on a Nexus S purchased last year. A couple days ago an official release was of 4.0 was installed.

I can't believe no one else got it. Was this what prompted the announcement?

Phone should last as long as contract (5, Insightful)

devleopard (317515) | more than 2 years ago | (#38476966)

The idea that a carrier can lock me into a device that at some point be a second class citizen while I'm still locked in is unreasonable. Of course, you can still use the device as originally advertised, but that's not the point.

What if Dell or Apple sold you a computer today that couldn't support an OS upgrade in 12 months? (Granted, they don't subsidize but I suspect that in 12-18 months you've hit the break-even on the phone)

Remember that the iPhone 3GS, release 2 1/2 years ago, will run iOS 5.0.

Re:Phone should last as long as contract (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#38477024)

Dell did do that. They sold Vista PCs that did not support all the windows 7 features, graphics cards were too pathetic. Not sure if you got 7 for free either.

Reason #1 (1)

shatfield (199969) | more than 2 years ago | (#38477050)

This is the #1 reason (and really only one necessary) for me to stick with my iOS enabled devices. These devices are only a few months old and cannot be upgraded?! Seriously?! I'm done considering a switch to Android.

Will never again buy Samsung (5, Insightful)

geek (5680) | more than 2 years ago | (#38477056)

I just ditched my Epic 4G for an iPhone for this exact reason. I was able to root my Epic and put 4.0 on it myself just fine but Samsung refuses to push out software themselves. I will never again buy another Samsung product (I know Apple uses their parts, doesn't matter).

At least my iPhone will get some friggin updates from time to time and not come pre-loaded with CIQ. I was a diehard Android fan but the fragmentation and piss poor support of the handset developers has pushed me over to Apple. Enough is enough with this shit.

Google, Samsung, HTC, Motorola have all fucked their customers enough at this point that I can't imagine a situation in which I would ever hand over my money for one of their products again.

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