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Anonymous Hacks US Think Tank Stratfor

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the looking-behind-the-curtain dept.

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Frankie70 writes "At 11:45 PST on Christmas Eve, hacking collective Anonymous disclosed that not only has it hacked the Stratfor website (since confirmed by Friedman himself), but has also obtained the full client list of over 4000 individuals and corporations, including their credit cards (which supposedly have been used to make $1 million in 'donations'), as well as over 200 GB of email correspondence."

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Go! (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488580)

Go Anonymous!

Re:Go! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488594)

I look forward to them hacking into the wrong place that ends up with them found in shallow graves, missing their heads.

Re:Go! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488632)

We are Anonymous. It is not possible to shut us up or kill us all. If you cut a head off, two more will grow back.

Re:Go! (0, Flamebait)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | more than 2 years ago | (#38488642)

We are Anonymous. It is not possible to shut us up or kill us all. If you cut a head off, two more will grow back.

Keep telling yourself that.

Re:Go! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488692)

WOOSH, over your head (where 0 = head = 2)

Magical Knee Grow (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488710)

Ah the wonders of the African Nigger. It's the ultimate "black" box! Welfare money goes in and crime comes out. What happens to turn welfare money into crime (and not gratitude) is the mystery.

For all their whining and crying about "racism" black-on-black crime is MUCH higher than white-on-black crime has ever been. They must breed very quickly to keep up with how fast they shoot each other. This is why so many are fatherless. They would have to breed much more slowly if each nigger father actually took the time to raise his nigger bastard kids. A nigger buck can impregnate another nigger hoe before the first one has given birth. This policy means reduced quality of niggers since they're all bastards but it increases the quantity of niggers to offset the vast numbers of niggers who shoot each other due to nigger gang violence.

What I want to know is: if niggers weren't such criminals (ahahaha no really just humor me) and knew what birth control was (ditto) and didn't ever use welfare then what would our economy look like today? I mean keeping criminals in jail is truly expensive. So is welfare. Oh and let's settle this one, unemployment works on the model of insurance but except for that ANY money you get from the government is welfare it is not just WIC or food stamps. So without niggers I think we'd be much better off.

Ok now go back to feeling sorry for them and telling yourself what a bad person I must be etc etc emotional appeals blah blah pull the wool over your eyes yadda yadda try fucking THINKING just for once and not shutting down just because it's a touchy subject and you react to the word "nigger" like a two-year-old who had his toy taken away.

Re:Magical Knee Grow (0, Offtopic)

pro151 (2021702) | more than 2 years ago | (#38488770)

The coward part in your post is dead on the mark. People like you hide like rats in the woodwork and only come out in the dark of night when you hope you will never be seen or discovered. (by the way, I am A white male) However, I am not a coward like you. I pity your kind, you hate yourselves so much that it spills over onto other more innocent people. Go crawl back in your hole boy and leave us all alone.

Re:Magical Knee Grow (1, Offtopic)

Dexter Herbivore (1322345) | more than 2 years ago | (#38488844)

Just like a billygoat crossing a bridge with snoring coming from underneath... don't stop to feed the trolls.

Re:Go! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488712)

Well, it's true, there's never a shortage of idiots.

Re:Go! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488768)

We are Anonymous. It is not possible to shut us up or kill us all. If you cut a head off, two more will grow back.

What if an acid or fire based attack is used when cutting off a head?

The technique works for Hydras.

Re:Go! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488694)

hurr durr anonymus iz leegun

fuck you, retard

Re:Go! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488852)

No, what you are is a bunch of basement-dwelling posers pretending to be hackers. That's what you are. And yeah, with the amount of tracking that goes on at ISP's all over North America and the rest of the world? It's _FULLY_ possible for them you shut _ALL_ of you up, kill _ALL_ of you, if they wanted. They just recognize, like everyone else with a functioning cerebral cortex, that it would be an utter waste of time. Anonymous has never actually accomplished much of anything. Where's the proof that these donations were even made in the first place beyond a few binned screenshots and the usual chestbeating in #anonops? None. For all we know your little circlejerk club just make that shit up in order to sound like you actually _have_ power, like the fake Twitter posters pretending to be Zeta's. Remember that? Yeah. You actually pretended that you had power over one of the most murderous drug cartels in the world, tricked the media into believing your story about "negotiating" the safe return of one of your "hostages." What really happened? Nothing. Just a bunch of anonops making fake accounts and false threats against one another to try and give some credence to the whole Zeta negotiation shtick. You bunch of zit-laden, socially awkward script kiddies couldn't negotiate your dick into a living woman, much less the Zeta's.

Want to prove me wrong? Want to prove how "powerful" you really are? Come after me then. I can deal with a few little bitch-ass kids, especially when the worst they're ever going to threaten me is to have a few pizza's sent to my house. Hey, no problem. I can actually afford a pizza, unlike you shitdicks harvesting BitCoin in your basement hoping to get some cheap weed.

Go ahead, do your fucking worst.

Re:Go! (5, Insightful)

koan (80826) | more than 2 years ago | (#38488868)

Yet you posted as "anonymous coward" how.... what's the word I want here...

Re:Go! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488982)

How about two words, "fuck you?" They claim to be the best hackers on Earth, they shouldn't need any information on me to find me. After all, they are "legion," right? If they can't hack a shitty website like Slashdot and get my IP address then I sincerely doubt they're capable of anything that they've claimed they've done, and I know for _certain_ that they wouldn't be able to find me unless I was stupid enough to put information about myself online...in which case _anyone_ could find me, and they're still no more special than some sociopath turd who just read the man page for NMAP.

I take it that you're one of the members of that little shitstain of a group judging by your incredible butthurt, so why don't you prove your talents and track me down? Shouldn't be outside of your range of expertise if you're really capable of what you say. Or are you really just a bunch of cowardly little wankers who couldn't hack their way out of a paper bag?

I'm pretty sure I know the answer. I'm not going to waste any more time on you, your vocabulary is so incredibly limited that you couldn't even finish your own reply -- obviously haven't got the intellectual capacity for intelligent discourse, but I bet you'd make a GREAT addition to #anonops, wouldn't you? In fact I suggest you head there right now and never return to Slashdot, either that or put a gun in the mouth and blow a hole through your empty skull. You'd be making a contribution to humanity either way, for the first time in your miserable life no doubt. Now go ahead and make some witty retort in an attempt to whore karma for yourself you stuck-up, low-ID fuckstick. You aren't legion, you arenn't invincible, you aren't even mildly entertaining. You're just a little bitch like the rest of your Fawkes-mask "crew." You want to prove me wrong? Be my guest.

Re:Go! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38489022)

u mad, bro?

seriously, though, you and the people you're bitching about need to go the fuck back to 4chan. keep your shit in the cesspit of the internet, where it belongs

Re:Go! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38489132)

Oh that's right, I think Anonymous are a bunch of losers and posers so _OBVIOUSLY_ I must be from 4chan. Even despite the fact that your pathetic, cliched "u mad bro" bullshit comes directly from that same site. Pretty weak logic there koan. And yeah, I know it's you. Just couldn't see any of your precious karma go to waste, could you, you dipshit? Hell, 4chan has accomplished more than your little twat buddies in #anonops have EVER done. What right do you have to talk down to people that are ABOVE you, hmm? That's right, fucking none.

You're a fucking coward just like the rest of your V for Vendetta fetish club. Anonymous _is_ the cesspool of the internet, and incidentally, the "movement" (if you can call it that) -began- on 4chan, which means that you're just as much of a turd as you're accusing me of being. "Seriously though," kill yourself. Commit suicide so that the world will be a wanker short and people will have a reason to celebrate. Drink some drain cleaner, hang yourself, I don't care. Just so long as you're dead.

Or hey, you could always prove me wrong. I'm waiting, cocksucker. Show me what you're actually capable of, so far all I see is a lot of bluster and not much action, which is pretty typical for #anonops. All talk and no action. Let's see some action then. Or are weak, juvenile insults all that you've got, koan?

Re:Go! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38489076)

Yet you posted as "anonymous coward" how.... what's the word I want here...

The word you are looking for is "private". To assume anything else would be foolish.

Re:Go! (4, Insightful)

pla (258480) | more than 2 years ago | (#38489000)

It's _FULLY_ possible for them you shut _ALL_ of you up, kill _ALL_ of you, if they wanted.

You realize, of course, that anyone even halfway sane would conduct such attacks from a public WiFi hotspot, right? Track all you want, but somehow I doubt Starbucks has secretly masterminded a global online movement against government and corporate secrecy.


Want to prove me wrong? Want to prove how "powerful" you really are? Come after me then.

Why would anyone bother? You count as just another nobody. Anonymous doesn't go after nobodies, it goes after the worst "legal" scum it can find. Governments, banks, now PACs - You wonder why people cheer Anon on? Because they do the "right" thing while the rest of us sit on our asses complaining about the gradual erosion of our privacy and rights.

Re:Go! (5, Informative)

gmack (197796) | more than 2 years ago | (#38489280)

What a load of crap. Judging by by your post you have no idea whatsoever who or what Stratfor is.

Strafror is a private intelligence company that not only reports on the news, they analyze it for possibly outcomes and consequences. I find them far more insightful than regular news sources and what really gets my respect is that they give a quarterly review of any predictions they made and how many of them came true or were completely off base. About the only thing they have to do with the US political system is their tendency to print information that is inconvenient for the US government and it's allies.

  This whole move by Anon will have exactly two consequences:
1 They shut down an important news source while it is needed the most.
2 They will screw over a bunch of charities who will now be hit with charge-back fees. I know that the credit card companies issued a "non denial denial" and said that it was up to the individual banks on whether their contracts contain a clause charging the recipient transactions but how many banks will actually not charge the fee? I don't know of any and I work in the CC processing industry. Hint: the bank is never out any money during a fraudulent transaction.

Re:Go! (4, Interesting)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#38489004)

Anonymous did quite well against the Church of Scientology. Their direct attacks didn't do anything - a week without websites and intermittent email inconvenienced the CoS, no more - but the publicity around it left what reputation the church had in ruin. No longer are they just an obscure cult most people have barely heard of - after the Anonymous-ran campaign on social media, everyone knows to avoid them, and they even got the criticisms mentioned on TV news. Thanks to the PR campaign, the CoS has a harder time recruiting people now.

Most Anonymous operations are a bit of a letdown, but every now and then they can pull it off.

Re:Go! (3, Informative)

Animats (122034) | more than 2 years ago | (#38489242)

but the publicity around it left what reputation the church had in ruin. No longer are they just an obscure cult most people have barely heard of - after the Anonymous-ran campaign on social media, everyone knows to avoid them, and they even got the criticisms mentioned on TV news.

Huh? Scientology has been "exposed" [google.com] many [google.com] times. [villagevoice.com] Whatever "anonymous" did was barely noticed.

Re:Go! (4, Interesting)

RMingin (985478) | more than 2 years ago | (#38489282)

"Want to prove me wrong? Want to prove how "powerful" you really are? Come after me then. I can deal with a few little bitch-ass kids, especially when the worst they're ever going to threaten me is to have a few pizza's sent to my house. Hey, no problem. I can actually afford a pizza, unlike you shitdicks harvesting BitCoin in your basement hoping to get some cheap weed."

Posted anonymously. Hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Poetry versus reality (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38489016)

We are Anonymous. It is not possible to shut us up or kill us all. If you cut a head off, two more will grow back.

That's quite poetic. However in reality *you* are quite fond of *your* head and will cry, beg, turn over the names of others, share everything you know and will help setup stings to discover others when really bad guys lay their physical hands on you.

Don't underestimate your enemy. Don't overestimate yourself.

Re:Go! (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38489070)

We are Anonymous.

and a mindless twat.

Re:Go! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38489274)

We are Anonymous. It is not possible to shut us up or kill us all. If you cut a head off, two more will grow back.

Haha! That's funny. Piss off the wrong group and when they kill your parents there won't be any more of you growing back.

Re:Go! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488640)

AT&T? BOA?

Re:Go! (2)

Dexter Herbivore (1322345) | more than 2 years ago | (#38488726)

Here's an interesting one: Barrick Gold Corp. Pueblo Viejo Project [barrick.com]. I wonder if it had anything to with this:

In 2002, Barrick Gold was chosen by the Dominican government to conduct a feasibility study on the property which yielded a 25 year mine life.

Just the slightly cynical, slightly suspicious side of me coming out.

Re:Go! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38489008)

They almost tried that, then they wised up and decided it's better to attack people who don't fight back.

The Donations... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488584)

I really wish they would stop doing that, the charities can end up eating a hell of a lot in chargeback fees when all is sorted out.

Re:The Donations... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488604)

That isn't how fraudulent donations are handled. Are you an FBI psyops agent deliberately spreading misinformation or are you just ill-informed?

obvious joke is obvious (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488588)

What's a Stratfor?

Re:obvious joke is obvious (5, Funny)

FairAndHateful (2522378) | more than 2 years ago | (#38488646)

What's a Stratfor?

Making awesome rifts and solos, of course. LINK [wikipedia.org]

Re:obvious joke is obvious (5, Insightful)

FairAndHateful (2522378) | more than 2 years ago | (#38488660)

(facepalm) Riffs... They're called riffs... Damnit...

Re:obvious joke is obvious (1)

605dave (722736) | more than 2 years ago | (#38488674)

Good catch. That's a pet peeve of mine. Along with using football fields as a unit of measurement.

Re:obvious joke is obvious (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488702)

It's 27 soccer fields of stupidity to have pet peeves.

Re:obvious joke is obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488822)

I prefer using Libraries of Congress as a measurement unit.

Re:obvious joke is obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488850)

Tumors are measured by pieces of fruit and golf balls.

This is where I worry. (5, Insightful)

Dexter Herbivore (1322345) | more than 2 years ago | (#38488668)

What happens the day that someone releases the names? What happens when some poor secretary who's name is on the list gets her details released to netizens without a social conscience. I understand that Stratfor are probably 'evil' from some of their recent actions, but if this activism is attempted then I hope that just a list of names isn't considered sufficient proof by and of itself of wrongdoing.

All I'm trying to say is that an itchy-trigger finger in obtaining information can lead to problems. I equate it to identifying downloaders by their IP, it's not sufficient proof and may be highly misleading.

Re:This is where I worry. (1)

Amouth (879122) | more than 2 years ago | (#38488714)

on that same note - normal "discovery" processes allow too much time and opportunity for people to cover their tracks.

Re:This is where I worry. (2, Insightful)

Shark (78448) | more than 2 years ago | (#38488752)

If Stratfor is evil enough to have an angry mob want to punish all the members on that list, I'd still blame Stratfor for endangering the employees that had nothing to do with their evil. It's pretty easy to shove the blame all one way or the other, but really, I think some falls onto each hand. Anonymous should be careful of what they release, the secretary should be careful of who she works for and Stratfor should... well, just not exist.

Well good to know (5, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 2 years ago | (#38488812)

I'm glad that you've decided that "an angry mob" qualifies as sufficient proof for any kind of retaliation. If a group of people (or who knows, maybe just one person, not like you know how many were involved) decides someone or something is "evil" that is all the justification needed to do whatever.

Seriously, what a shitty standard. You blame someone because a mob gets angry at them. Ok, so do you blame abortion doctors who get killed? After all, they have a mob of angry Christians after them, one of them angry enough to resort to killing. Guess they must be as evil as the Christians claim, since the "angry mob" standard is what you use.

See how bad that is?

Re:Well good to know (4, Interesting)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 2 years ago | (#38488966)

I'm glad that you've decided that "an angry mob" qualifies as sufficient proof for any kind of retaliation. If a group of people (or who knows, maybe just one person, not like you know how many were involved) decides someone or something is "evil" that is all the justification needed to do whatever.

White knighting the corporate world isn't going to get you very far these days.
Many of their crimes are known and public opinion is against them.

If our elected representatives continue to refuse to prosecute wrongdoing in the corporate world, you should expect more hacktivism.
It's not fair, but neither is it fair what has been done to the American (and as a side effect, the rest of the world's) people.

You blame someone because a mob gets angry at them. Ok, so do you blame abortion doctors who get killed?

Hacking a server and killing a doctor are not the same thing.
Nice try though.

Re:Well good to know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38489034)

White knighting the corporate world isn't going to get you very far these days.
Many of their crimes are known and public opinion is against them.

Yes, and taking it out on everyone from the company including janitors and secretaries (you know, people who are just happy to have ANY job so they can actually eat) is just going to make your "movement" look like a bunch of assholes.

Re:Well good to know (4, Insightful)

Shark (78448) | more than 2 years ago | (#38489084)

I don't really blame anyone. I just think the freedom to do what one wishes should be met with the responsibility of considering its implications, on all sides. My point here is that everybody has that responsibility when they exercise their liberty. Anonymous is free to do hacktivism but also have a responsibility to consider the consequences. Stratfor is free to do whatever it is they do but they have a responsibility to evaluate the consequences. And to a smaller extent, the secretary or janitor or whoever is free to accept the job offer but has the responsibility to consider just who they're working for. If I worked for a seal hunting company, I'd definitely consider the risk of getting randomly assaulted by people who get very angry at that sort of thing. If I worked as a soldier, I'd consider the risk of being insulted and blamed for fighting wars I really had no say in going to, etc.

Re:Well good to know (0)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 2 years ago | (#38489120)

Ok, so do you blame abortion doctors who get killed?

A bit, yes, actually.

If you're well aware that people want to harm or kill you in any fashion and you don't step up your security, it's largely your fault that you died.

In the case of this company, well. You work for a shitty company and bad things happen to you one way or another - either through actions of the public, actions of private individuals, incompetence on the part of the company and/or the government, etc.

If you worked in one of those Batman comic factories with uncovered vats of toxic waste and fell in, whose fault is it really? Is it the company's fault for not securing the vats, or your fault for continuing to work at a place where the company has shown a clear disregard for the employees and their safety?

Re:Well good to know (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38489224)

Ok, so do you blame abortion doctors who get killed?

I do. If it didn't commit murder, perhaps it wouldn't have incited an angry mob to kill it.

Abortion = murder of an innocent human being. As far as I am concerned, a human being becomes differentiated from it's contributing progenitors the moment the blastocyst forms. It just lacks the ability to defend itself, that's the job of it's mother.

Any willful destruction of anything more advanced than homo sapien sapien morula, IMHO, is equatable to murder.

Re:This is where I worry. (3, Insightful)

khallow (566160) | more than 2 years ago | (#38488894)

What happens if I drop mustard gas on them and the mob goes away? Did I just get less evil?

Re:This is where I worry. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488920)

I'm fuzzy on the whole good/evil thing, Egon. What do you mean "evil?"
No, seriously. What'd these guys do that was evil? Is it a secret?

Re:This is where I worry. (1)

Shark (78448) | more than 2 years ago | (#38489174)

Actually, you have a good point there. I honestly don't know, but Anonymous decided that what they do is evil and went all vigilante hacktivist on 'em. Maybe those guys are pure as snow but really just have very bad PR... Still, it's something I definitely would consider before accepting a job. What's the risk of a whole group of people -or even just some lone nut- deciding that I'm part of some nasty business and deserve some sort of retaliation? Every decision bears a level of risk that one must evaluate to the best of our ability, be it crossing a road or having sex or taking a job from some unpopular business.

Re:This is where I worry. (5, Funny)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 2 years ago | (#38488762)

Using only a list of names without any supplemental information about involvement would be pretty bad. Yeah, imagine for instance the TSA doing things like that.

Right, and we've seen the results of that (3, Interesting)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 2 years ago | (#38488784)

So why would it be better when some random script kiddies, who have even less oversight than the TSA, do it for their own ends? When one group does something stupid or bad it does not magically become ok if another group does it.

Re:Right, and we've seen the results of that (1)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 2 years ago | (#38488914)

I completely agree. I don't say it is right, I am saying that both sides are using similar methods and that if you are supporting one side, you can't claim it is because of the other side's methods.

Re:Right, and we've seen the results of that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38489020)

Why do you assume its script kiddies doing this and not, say, a corporate competitor of Strafor's that's using the Anonymous MO to damage it financially? A company that supposely has "intelligence" and "security" experts on hand, but doesn't even encrypt their client's billing information doesn't strike me a business that's going to last much longer as its credibility is severly compromised.

Re:Right, and we've seen the results of that (1)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 2 years ago | (#38489194)

"So why would it be better when some random script kiddies ..."

I always love it when someone who probalby couldn't hack their way out of a wet paper bag refers to true hackers as script kiddies. I have to at least give them "props" for their technical acumen regardless of whether I believe their behavior is "right" or "wrong", which is of course a completely false dichotomy.

Re:This is where I worry. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488772)

Isn't that kinda the point?

If you contributed to some evil organization, that shows you support that evil organization which means you support the evil being done by that organization. Good to bring creeps like that to light.

Think of it as Megan's list. Instead of sexual deviants, you have a list of social deviants that you may not want to associate with.

Re:This is where I worry. (2)

Dexter Herbivore (1322345) | more than 2 years ago | (#38488782)

Actually, after having a look through the list, it appears that most of the clients may have subscribed to any level of geopolitical intelligence. Although some of the clients appearing most often seem to be financial institutions so possibly this is mainly analysis of investment data?

Re:This is where I worry. (5, Interesting)

causality (777677) | more than 2 years ago | (#38488786)

What happens the day that someone releases the names? What happens when some poor secretary who's name is on the list gets her details released to netizens without a social conscience. I understand that Stratfor are probably 'evil' from some of their recent actions, but if this activism is attempted then I hope that just a list of names isn't considered sufficient proof by and of itself of wrongdoing.

All I'm trying to say is that an itchy-trigger finger in obtaining information can lead to problems. I equate it to identifying downloaders by their IP, it's not sufficient proof and may be highly misleading.

The flip side of that ... is that choosing not to work for Satan means having a lot less to fear from would-be exorcists.

There are career paths I personally didn't take because I realized the particular industry was corrupt to its core and I wanted no part in that. An honest living that does not make the world a worse place is an integral part of a clear conscience. The kind of numb indifference it would take to not care about such things, to consider them a bother and not a responsibility, would be like a sort of living death.

Since some of you have severe reading comprehension problems, and love to project your personal interpretation onto whatever you read, I'll spell this out for you: nowhere did I say it's perfectly OK that underlings may catch some of the fallout for decisions made by the higher-ups. What I am saying is that if they were more careful about choosing their employer they wouldn't have these concerns. When you choose to become part of something, you're part of it, for better or worse.

The evil organizations of the world never seem to have a problem finding those who will join ranks with them. Ever notice that and wonder if that's the real problem?

Re:This is where I worry. (3, Insightful)

Dexter Herbivore (1322345) | more than 2 years ago | (#38488840)

You shouldn't get me wrong either, I don't believe that corporations should get away with 'evil'. However in life it's not always easy to recognise that you've ended up in the wrong place, and some individuals on this list probably have no idea that some people even consider this organisation evil. Any individuals named on this list shouldn't have their details released unless they are considered public personages (politicians etc), there shouldn't be a carte blanche to release all of the details without some scrutiny or at least some thought about the issues. After examination, maybe all of the names do get released and maybe they don't. Checks and balances which appear to be lacking in groups like anonymous.

Re:This is where I worry. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488946)

And checks and balances carried out by the legal system works?

We just went through years of financial collapse because the system of checks and balances were completely complicit with the corporations. Why on Earth are you complaining about Anonymous blowing the cover off corporations when the government proved itself incapable of doing that in the first place?

This is like trying to arrest a mechanic who offers to install seat belts into your car because the government won't mandate such a requirement from the car manufacturers.

Re:This is where I worry. (1)

Dexter Herbivore (1322345) | more than 2 years ago | (#38489154)

And checks and balances carried out by the legal system works?

We just went through years of financial collapse because the system of checks and balances were completely complicit with the corporations. Why on Earth are you complaining about Anonymous blowing the cover off corporations when the government proved itself incapable of doing that in the first place?

This is like trying to arrest a mechanic who offers to install seat belts into your car because the government won't mandate such a requirement from the car manufacturers.

Checks and balances in a system which has already been significantly undermined aren't checks and balances at all. Don't mistake ineffective measures with a complete lack of them.

Re:This is where I worry. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38489156)

Hear hear!

Re:This is where I worry. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488802)

I understand that Stratfor are probably 'evil' from some of their recent actions,

Educate me: what "recent actions"?

Re:This is where I worry. (5, Informative)

Hartree (191324) | more than 2 years ago | (#38488864)

"what "recent actions"?"

Probably writing papers saying that Julian Assange and Wikileaks weren't going to fundamentally change the world the way that some were billing them.

They've said similar about Anonymous itself, too.

Re:This is where I worry. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488904)

SF's actions are good, and are on the same line with Wikileaks. They make previously undisclosed information available publicly, so the average Joe can be in on the thinking processes of governments, intelligence services, etc.

I have no comments about the hacking action, but branding them evil is childish at best.

Re:This is where I worry. (1)

ae1294 (1547521) | more than 2 years ago | (#38488820)

What happens the day that someone releases the names? What happens when some poor secretary who's name is on the list gets her details released to netizens without a social conscience.

She'll be collateral damage...

Re:This is where I worry. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488832)

There is no innocent employee of evil organizations. If you chose to act in support of such an organization, then you deserve what you get.

Not to Godwin the thread, but your point is like saying, "Oh, he was just some poor guard in the SS". Sorry, no - that's how evil is done, by the actions of the common man. Acting in support of evil makes you evil, it doesn't make you some "poor victim secretary".

Re:This is where I worry. (1)

Dexter Herbivore (1322345) | more than 2 years ago | (#38488878)

If you're going to Godwin, even some senior nazis were found innocent of war crimes... let alone the SS guards. Not every member of a corporation is personally responsible for 'evil' actions of some of it's members.

Re:This is where I worry. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488876)

Gotta break a few eggs to make an omlet. So a few inconsequential peons get harassed (which is unlikely), BFD.

Re:This is where I worry. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488940)

Maybe when you release the names you get secret murdered by Blackwater....

Re:This is where I worry. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488950)

Can there be innocent employees working for an evil concern? How would that work? "I was just following orders?" "I had me blinders on so I didn't know what we were doing?"

The very worst kind of evil is when "good" people justify their participation by their choice to remain ignorant of what their organization is doing. If you want to lead a life untainted by evil and what might come of that, you really need to look beyond the walls of your cubicle.

Otherwise, grow a pair and accept the consequences of your choices.

Re:This is where I worry. (2)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#38489010)

An evil employer starts to look a lot less evil when you've a family to feed and children to get through college.

Re:This is where I worry. (2)

Jiro (131519) | more than 2 years ago | (#38489238)

That only applies when the evil is really obvious, such as shooting people in the streets or sending them to concentration camps to have their dead bodies used for soap obvious.

We can't expect every low level employee to be judge and jury and determine that a company is doing something wrong. The bad things the company does may not be obvious to laypeople, or may even be done in backroom deals to which the secretary isn't privy unless s/he hires an independent accountant to analyze the company's revenue statements.

To use an example that Slashdotters may be familiar with, you don't like the RIIA, but do you think your non-geek grandmother should be expected to figure that they are evil by herself?

And where does this end, anyway? Am I allowed to work at the McDonalds around the corner from the big company? After all, I know that employees of the company come there to buy food, so my salary indirectly comes from them, and I support them, even though I'm not actually their employee. (For that matter, McDonalds has done some evil things. Are all McDonalds employees now legitimate targets, on the grounds that they should know better than to work for an evil corporation?)

Re:This is where I worry. (2)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#38489106)

Under a system of capitalism you have but one real vote, where you choose to spend your money. Investing in (or even with) evil is evil. One of the major benefits of capitalism is that it provides a mechanism to determine where the evil is coming from, and what it has done: follow the money. We must stop ignoring this benefit, and make it central to our capitalism, or see it fall to some other system.

Bizarre target.. (4, Informative)

sstamps (39313) | more than 2 years ago | (#38488754)

Most people will go "Stratwho?", shrug their shoulders and go back to eating their turkey sandwiches.

Re:Bizarre target.. (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#38488798)

Ham sandwich for me

Re:Bizarre target.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488862)

Yup. That was my reaction, too. Though, in my case, Im probably just making regular scrambled eggs for breakfast...

Re:Bizarre target.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488944)

I'm a subscriber of Stratfor and Slashdot. Wonder what the intersection space looks like. Thanks to slashdot, I just canceled the credit card used by Stratfor.

hye.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488804)

Good information..http://smart-solution1.blogspot.com/

For profit intel (5, Interesting)

koan (80826) | more than 2 years ago | (#38488856)

200 GB of data moving off their network didn't attract attention? I guess Global Intelligence in this case is an oxymoron.
So it's a for profit Intel company that feeds other corps so that they can better plan their financial moves around World issues, along with "other things".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratfor [wikipedia.org]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Friedman [wikipedia.org]

Full Client list: http://pastebin.com/8MtFze0s [pastebin.com] over 20k hits

Some clients:
AEG Partners LLC
FOX news
AIG Financial Products
American Airlines
American Express
Blackwater Security Consulting
Wells Fargo Investments

Yawn.

Re:For profit intel (1)

helix2301 (1105613) | more than 2 years ago | (#38489122)

It was 200 gig of email that's the scary part who's email box did they get. I would be more worried about the email then the client list. CONFIDENTAL emails can do some major damage if leaked.

Re:For profit intel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38489200)

You want scary look up the current position of CVN 74 and think "Gulf of Tonkin" although I honestly don't think Iran is that stupid, the rest of the information gathered from Stratfor is more of the same, the banality of evil, should be no surprise to anyone what lengths corps go to.

Re:For profit intel (1)

sjames (1099) | more than 2 years ago | (#38489214)

It's all part of the belief the corporate world has that they can be something by saying they are. No need to actually be green, socially responsible, friendly, high quality, fair and balanced, or whatever. Just crow about it endlessly in commercials and brochures.

Looks Like They Learned A Lesson... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488992)

Namely, stop fucking with people who aren't afraid to track you down and kill you over 'lulz'. :)

Anonymous are hypocrites (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38488996)

I love how Anonymous hates on everything related to the US, the West, police, etc., and utterly ignores things like China jailing or disappearing human rights activists [nytimes.com], Beijing requiring bloggers to register their real names [wsj.com], or the over 5,000 people the Syrian government has murdered this year [theatlanticwire.com], instead posting tired, lame anarchist diatribes [pastebin.com] predicting the downfall of Capitalism.

I hope that Anonymous one day gets what it wishes for, if only so they could witness how horrible that world would be.

Re:Anonymous are hypocrites (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38489078)

Amazing!11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38489172)

Wow, two links about the same topic from two years ago?!

Tell me, who has Anonymous, in practice, targeted most?

Is that because the US is the most evil?

Or is it because Anonymous is populated by a bunch of immature, privileged know-it-alls who have the erroneous but common belief that the US, and to a lesser extent, any form of law enforcement or authority in a free society, is what's wrong with the world?

Sure, you can cherry pick examples. Just like when Wikileaks launched, it said its "primary interest is in exposing oppressive regimes in Asia, the former Soviet bloc, Sub-Saharan Africa and the Middle East", and instead turned into an anti-US extravaganza.

Anonymous doesn't have the balls to go after the true oppressors and tyrants. Just a bunch of script kiddie equivalents who troll for targets that aren't properly secured, find them, then act as if they can hit anything, and post a bunch of verbal vomit alongside the hack.

Re:Amazing!11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38489222)

Perhaps, it is because Anonymous is most popular in the US and that they want to fix their own government the most? Or maybe they feel that it is up to the Chinese hacktivist to expose the Chinese government.

But I know I wont get through to you, because when wikileaks reveals the truth, you label the truth as anti-american. Your mind is closed sir, and to quote someone who said it best, "A mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work when it is closed.

The children at Anonymous want attention (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38489074)

These are children who've taken playground bullying and what they see as payback to bizarre levels of illogic. Startfor is simply a company selling opinions and analysis, but the children at Anonymous attack them (and the customers who happen to be buying their analysis) for no real reason. They're undisciplined pranksters hiding behind the pretension of importance. They're no better by this point than the organizations they once attacked. They have no credibility to anyone whose ability to reason has grown up past the age of about 14. (And this is in addition to the fact that they're quite selective and hypocritical about the targets they select.) These children are like those from the past who would make homemade costumes and run around their neighborhoods pretending to be superheroes. In reality, they're overgrown degenerates who have become just as bad as the bullies they claim to be fighting -- and they're arrogant and narcissistic enough to believe that no one should be allowed to have opinions that deviate from their own inconsistent ideas.

Uneven response (0)

ttimes (534696) | more than 2 years ago | (#38489226)

How we react to this should be independent of our feelings about Stratfor. I recall a breaking at a a certain hotel Watergate which upon discovery, had drastic consequences for its perpetrators . Why should we stop to congratulate these guys for breaking in any organization?
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