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Israeli Spyware Sold To Iran

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the dollars-trump-diplomacy dept.

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Hugh Pickens writes "Bloomberg reports that Israeli trade, customs and defense officials say they didn't know that systems for performing 'deep- packet inspection' into Internet traffic, sold under the brand name NetEnforcer, had gone to a country whose leaders have called for the destruction of the Jewish state. Allot Communications Ltd., an Israel-based firm which reported $57 million in sales last year, sold its systems to a Randers, a Denmark-based technology distributor where workers at that company, RanTek A/S, repackaged the gear and shipped it to Iran. The sales skirted a strict Israeli ban that prohibits 'trading with the enemy,' including any shipments that reach Iran, Syria and Lebanon. Although Allot officials say they had no knowledge of their equipment going to Iran and are looking into RanTek's sales, three former sales employees for Allot say it was well known inside the Israeli company that the equipment was headed for Iran. 'Israel considers Iran quite possibly its greatest threat, and so the Israeli government would come down very strong against any company that exported to Iran,' says Ira Hoffman. 'Iran is also considered by the U.S. as one of its most strategic threats.' Israeli lawmaker Nachman Shai has called for a parliamentary investigation, and the country's Defense Ministry has begun to examine the report."

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Oops! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38495952)

Real Oops moment.

Re:Oops! (5, Insightful)

slackware 3.6 (2524328) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496014)

More a case of oops I got caught. Just a greedy company trying to make more money and trying to get around the law. But it looks like they will probably have some consequences to deal with now.

Re:Oops! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38496026)

Near that coffee can, it's a little bit crowded right there.

Re:Oops! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38496092)

Near that coffee can, it's a little bit crowded right there.

WTF are you on about?

Re:Oops! (2, Funny)

Intropy (2009018) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496250)

"There's a good chance I may have committed some light treason."

Re:Oops! (2)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 2 years ago | (#38497494)

The irony is delicious. It would be as if we had sold Stinger missiles to Mujahedin or something like that.

Re:Oops! (3, Interesting)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | more than 2 years ago | (#38497822)

The irony is delicious. It would be as if we had sold Stinger missiles to Mujahedin or something like that.

You didn't sell them, you gave them to the Mujahedin. I will never understand why everybody is so worked up over those damn Stingers. The black arms market is awash with various types of Russian MANPADs ranging from Chinese/Paki/Egyptian made knockoffs of the SA-7/16/18 to cutting edge SA-24s looted from Libyan arsenals and that last missile in particular poses a much more serious danger in the hands of terrorists than a bunch of dusty 1980s vintage Stingers that probably won't even work any more. Any Reagan era Stingers are now time expired (IIRC the shelf life is about 10 years) and if they still exist they have been stored for 20 plus years under suboptimal conditions in mud brick huts in the Pakistani/Afghan hinterland which is not exactly the best way to extend their shelf life.

Re:Oops! (4, Interesting)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496498)

Actually more of a case of "We need to convince the public to let loose the dogs of war AGAIN" because a US district court is NOW saying Iran did 9/11 [bloomberg.com] which of course is a codeword for "Here are the brown people we are gonna murder while robbing your coffers this week!". Gotta give 'em credit, they have their lapdogs in the courts and MSM well trained by now and they are gonna milk that false flag for every dime they can.

I personally think they know the lie of infinite growth that the west's economies was built on is coming to an end and that we've hit or are about to hit pretty much peak everything and they are gonna grab as much as they can before they grab that last chopper out of Saigon while the country burns.

If there are any Iranians reading this? As an American allow me to say I'm sorry for the millions of your people that are about to die to fuel the greed of Zionists, the "Jesus won't come back if there ain't Jews in Zion!" religious nutbars that support them, and finally our corrupt government that will be taking massive kickbacks and using it as an excuse to make us even more of a police state. Please don't blame the American people as we have no more control over the war machine than you do over the mullahs and all we can do is watch the slaughter done in our name while being given a "Coke VS Pepsi" choice of one rich whore or the other. Sorry.

Re:Oops! (1)

Forty Two Tenfold (1134125) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496724)

US district court is NOW saying Iran did 9/11 [bloomberg.com]

I'm seriously surprised they are leaving Pakistan for the dessert... Could that be because India is friends with Iran as of late? [farsnews.com]

Re:Oops! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38497510)

I'm seriously surprised they are leaving Pakistan for the dessert.

Ihey were finished with dinner.

Re:Oops! (2)

mikael (484) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496864)

Apparently Israel also organized the export of 69 Patriot missiles to China [newsnet14.com] as well.

Sounds like someone is just trying to stack everything up for another war.

Re:Oops! (5, Interesting)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#38498044)

The sad part to me is the Jewish people are in the same boat we are and are pretty powerless to stop the ultra right Zionists anymore than we are able to stop the powermongering neocons because their media is likewise controlled.

I mean look at what is happening in the Repub race now that it looks like Paul might actually win a primary, the MSM are calling him everything but kiddie fiddler and I frankly wouldn't be surprised if he wins Iowa that they use that smear as well. I personally don't support many of his policies but i'll be the first to admit he was the only candidate that didn't come off as just another corporate shill. Oh and expect his votes to disappear in NH because its a Diebold state.

In the end the warmongers in Israel and the USA will just keep starting wars because killing brown people is not only profitable but it keeps everyone focused on the boogeyman of the week instead of the raiding of the countries money supply and assets by the money men. they'll keep it up until there is not another brown person they can kill because they have stolen everything that isn't nailed down and then they'll take their blood money and hope the last choppers out while the countries burn.

While I don't believe in God and the devil I DO believe in pure evil, vicious monsters that frankly wouldn't give a second thought to stomping babies if it furthered their agenda and sadly it looks like that is increasingly all we have in the corridors of power, truly evil malicious men.

"Pure evil" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38499066)

Well, in Israel, you've got to admit it does put a bit of a damper on a movement if every policy that stops the "powermongering" even a little bit is immediately followed by mass-murder from those who feel religiously inclined to kill Jews.

While I don't believe in God and the devil I DO believe in pure evil, vicious monsters that frankly wouldn't give a second thought to stomping babies if it furthered their agenda

And you think nothing of forcing people to implement a delusional policy that will get them massacred. You even call them immoral for turning back those policies when the massacre part turns into reality.

You know what is pure evil ? A religion that demands massacres from it's followers. Not that that is the only disgusting part of islam. After all, buying/selling people to rape them, genocide, mass-killings, raids, stealing, betrayal, lying on peace treaties, all were comitted by the muslim god (I mean the paedophile bastard that is complimented 7 times in muslims' main prayer, not their "god" which is mentioned on the side once, and even in that single mention has to take second place after the aforementioned paeophilic thief).

Re:Oops! (1, Troll)

ogdenk (712300) | more than 2 years ago | (#38497746)

Kinda funny considering IBM received no major backlash in the US for selling computing/tabulating equipment to the Nazis while making M-1 Carbines for our boys going over there.

I guess in the US, large companies are exempt from having to have a sense of ethics and morality. Everything is OK as long as it increases shareholder value and a few bucks get put in the right hands. Even if it's treasonous. Glad Israel doesn't work the same way.

mandatory (1)

superwiz (655733) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496794)

Milton Friedman describing how a #2 pencil is made through efforts of people who "might hate one another if they ever met" still cooperate because of trade:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5Gppi-O3a8 [youtube.com]

This isn't an oops moment. This is a moment to realize, once again, that greed is the best tool for cooperation known to man kind.

thought I'd get it in first (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38495994)

Everyone who posts a comment is antisemitic!

Re:thought I'd get it in first (0)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496012)

Everyone who posts a comment is antisemitic!

Hopefully those muzzie camel Jockeys won't be able to work out how to use it. (balance restored)

Re:thought I'd get it in first (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38496060)

Everyone who posts a comment is antisemitic!

Hopefully those muzzie camel Jockeys won't be able to work out how to use it. (balance restored)

Very plucky

Re:thought I'd get it in first (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38496192)

Don't you just love detente.

Re:thought I'd get it in first (1)

Shark (78448) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496204)

Most people in that region are semites, not just the Israelis. I'm not entirely sure, but Iranians would be probably be semites as well.

Re:thought I'd get it in first (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38496216)

Mostly Indo-Europeans.

Re:thought I'd get it in first (0)

dmesg0 (1342071) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496132)

Everyone who posts a comment is antisemitic!

I never realized until now that AC actually stands for Antisemitic Coward.

Re:thought I'd get it in first (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38496258)

AC is and always will be Atlantic City :)

Re:thought I'd get it in first (1)

Scarletdown (886459) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496288)

AC is and always will be Atlantic City :)

Actually, it is the first part of AC/DC. Do you've been... Thunderstruck!

Stuxnet (5, Funny)

BinBoy (164798) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496004)

Stuxnet 2.0 bundled free.

Re:Stuxnet (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38496536)

Stuxnet 2.0 bundled free.

In fact, it's a violation of the DMCA to remove the DRM protecting it.

The military has decided to unleash upon Iran the most horrible weapons mankind has ever known: MPAA, RIAA

God forgive us.

Re:Stuxnet (1)

scottbomb (1290580) | more than 2 years ago | (#38498422)

Not a bad idea, actually. Once the device realizes it's operating in enemy territory, have it spawn all kinds of mayhem.

make the CEO / VP do some hard time may even the (0)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496006)

death penalty if some get's killed or at least life / a long time in a federal pound me in ass the prison.

Re:make the CEO / VP do some hard time may even th (4, Funny)

Ziekheid (1427027) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496130)

Alright.... I see your patriotic tendencies prevented you from typing a normal sentence.

Re:make the CEO / VP do some hard time may even th (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496718)

Does the same go for open-source developers who write software to do the same thing and put it up on sourceforge or kernel.org?

Re:make the CEO / VP do some hard time may even th (1)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496910)

death penalty if some get's killed or at least life / a long time in a federal pound me in ass the prison.

Why would an Israeli CEO be in a US Federal Prison for violating Israeli law ?

If you won't read the linked article or the summary, at least read the TITLE.

I was not saying US prsion (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#38497058)

but they should not go to some kind of camp prison for stuff like this.

Re:I was not saying US prsion (1)

EnsilZah (575600) | more than 2 years ago | (#38498412)

I've taken the liberty to check wikipedia for countries that have a federal government and institute a death penalty, the US seems to be the only one in that particular intersection.

I can't help wondering (1)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496030)

I can't help wondering, was this really a "oops" moment or were the Israelis well aware that it would go to Iran. Maybe it has a little "easter egg" that can be activated when it sniffs a packet only known to Mossad?

Re:I can't help wondering (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38496166)

Oh Iranians are not that dumb, they probably got few of those devices and they are going to study them duly in lab before those get even permission to be installed in staging lab for preparation to site install. But anyway, those equipments need updates both firmware and databases etc. and it's going to be nasty work to keep looking over and over again that it won't open backdoor or leak any information that it was not supposed to. That's one big thing.

The other is that it's going to be probably used with public internet access and I guess the scope of the security matter there is bit different to that it was in some internal networks management, military or any of I guess many compartment(ed) national security networks.

Re:I can't help wondering (1)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496252)

To me it looks more like "we sent spyware to Iran, and used a proxy to repackage and sell it to them". I'm probably considered antisemetic for saying it this way, despite the fact ive said nothing of religion and pointed only at the fact that is far more significant than small profits coming from inadvertent sales to iran.

Not all Israelis support adversarial activities. (4, Interesting)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 2 years ago | (#38497438)

It is a mistake to think that all Israeli Jews agree with Israeli or even Jewish policies. For example: Israeli ultra-Orthodox Jews 'harass' 8-year-old girl over dress [youtube.com]. Quote: "... 50 people involved in the abuse of an 8-year-old." Also see Israel braced for protests against treatment of women after girl, 8, is spat on by Jewish extremists. [dailymail.co.uk]

Here are only some of the reasons many Israelis disagree with the typical policies of the Israeli government:

Some Israelis think that further violence toward Iran will cause trouble for Israel. Partly that is because there is the idea that encouraging violence against 1.6 billion Muslims [wikipedia.org] is self-defeating. There are only an estimated 14 million (not billion) practicing Jews in the entire world. [wikipedia.org]

Some of those who control the U.S. government want to build an oil pipeline through Iran to get oil from the "Stan" countries to the ocean where it can be shipped easily. That idea would be financially profitable only if U.S. taxpayers paid for security. The U.S. government is, in some ways, VERY corrupt.

Remember that the U.S. government supported Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's war with Iran so that U.S. companies could sell weapons to Iraq, and with the idea of the enormous profits that would come from building the pipeline through Iran.

Also, remember that the U.S. government has interfered with the politics in Iran since before before 1953, when the U.S. agency known as the CIA arranged the removal of a democratically elected president, President Mossadegh. The U.S. government arranged that the Shah have complete power. See for example, Politics, Power, and US Policy in Iran, 1950-1953 (PDF file, Harvard University). [harvard.edu] Quote: ... the August 1953 coup was not an isolated incident, but an outgrowth of decisions and policies made by the Truman administration largely as a result of a truly remarkable U.S. military buildup that really began to come on line in mid-1952. Such aggressiveness would have been impossible in 1950 or 1951, even if Eisenhower had been president.

Opposition in Iran to the violent regime of the Shah caused support for Muslim clerics who took over management of the government. Iranians say that clerics have usually not been good business and government managers. The unthinking violence of the U.S. government toward Iran has caused Iranians to be very afraid of what the U.S. government might do in the future.

One reason for the Iranian government to develop nuclear materials is to try to protect Iran against U.S. government violence. Another reason is that all governments need to give attention to sources of energy that do not cause global warming.

Some with influence in the U.S. government wanted to build an oil pipeline through Afghanistan. That is one of the reasons the U.S. government spends taxpayer money there, but it seems that getting control of Afghanistan will not happen soon, so there is renewed interest in violence toward Iran.

The U.S. government's support for violence toward Arab and Muslim nations, partly as a way for a few to make money, is seen by some as caused by Jewish manipulation of the U.S. government. There is support by some Jews in the U.S. to get U.S. taxpayers to pay for the security of Israel.

There are only 5,874,300 Jews in Israel [jewishvirtuallibrary.org]. There are approximately 5,275,000 Jews in the United States. [wikipedia.org] In some ways, the U.S. is as much of a Jewish country as Israel.

These are the hazards of a gloablized economy (2)

lacaprup (1652025) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496044)

..it is (relatively speaking) incredibly easy to trasfer highly sensitve items to recipients that should never have them. Where there's a will (in this case profit motive) there's always a way.

Clueless (5, Insightful)

Leonid99 (192164) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496052)

From TFA:
> The gear shipped to Iran, called NetEnforcer, can inspect pieces of data moving over a network. It can be used to eliminate spam or help network
> operators prioritize or block certain types of traffic.

It's not even funny -- it's not "spyware", it's just a traffic sniffer.
Admittedly, they break the israeli law that prohibits trading with Iran, but it's hardly a threat to national security.

Not even a sniffer. (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38496688)

I've been using Allot's equipment for nearly 10 years now, from a lowly NetEnforcer 800 (with a throughput of only 200Mbps and I'm not even sure about that) to an array of SG-Sigma's (each capable of handling 120Gbps) and none of those had any sniffing capability. I really with it had, it would've saved me quite a lot of work.

Oh, it can tell you that A amount of traffic is going from IP B to IP C using protocol D (and here's where the DPI lies, in its ability to identify L7 protocols) and allows you to rate-limit, based on various criteria, said traffic, but it just can't sniff it. There's no way a NetEnforcer be able to allert the authorities about the anti-islamic message you've just posted on a blog, believing you were anonymous.

Some NetEnforcers could steer traffic based on definable criteria, say all HTTP traffic between private users and GMail, to a third-party equipment capable of sniffing that traffic, but that's as close as the NE comes to being a sniffer.

Re:Clueless (1)

CapitalOrange (1552105) | more than 2 years ago | (#38498952)

I pretty much said the same thing in a different post. The fact that this can be used for 'bad' doesn't mean its spyware. Horrible headline choice in my opinion.

Re:Clueless (1)

dbIII (701233) | more than 2 years ago | (#38499208)

Yes, it's not like a top secret targeting system for a tank - like the one that was "donated" to Israel, sold by someone there to China, then onsold to Iran. That pissed off a lot of people in both the USA and Israel and there was an inquiry into it in 2000.
Some people will sell anything to anybody even if it is directly against their national interest.

Irony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38496066)

The last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope. Karl Marx

Re:Irony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38496254)

I was just thinking of that one. Very easy to go with the Jewish stereotype of greed here. I can hear them now, "They'd sell their own grandmother if they thought they could get a few shekels for her."

Re:Irony (1)

Entropius (188861) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496522)

... of course, then there will be no way to get rope any more.

Re:Irony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38498480)

Of course not, as everybody knows factories are magical places that are powered by the very will of the capitalist man. With all of them dead humanity will return to stone age.

Our motto: we'll do anything for a buck! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38496082)

So come on down to Shlomo's!

not true. (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38496094)

>> had gone to a country whose leaders have called for the destruction of the Jewish state.
That statement is because of a bad translation. Stop lying, FoxNews's presenter

Re:not true. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38496142)

Destruction can mean many things. "military destruction" "political destruction" it's all destruction of some kind, and Iran has been adamantly vocal in at least the political destruction of Israel. For you to see "destruction" and only see "military destruction" is to lend your own bias.

Re:not true. (2)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496298)

You would think they'd fix the translation. But no, years later we still have:

http://www.president.ir/en/10114 [president.ir]

Or are you claiming Fox news runs the Iranian President's web site?

Re:not true. (1)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496350)

Ignore it. It's a knee jerk reaction to anything that smacks of something possibly, slightly, remotely, or even unintentionally right wing. Instant Fox News stab.

Re:not true. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38496898)

"The Zionist Regime has lost its existence philosophy... the Zionist regime faces a complete deadend and under God's grace your wish will soon be materialized and the corrupt element will be wiped off the map"

Seriously, that's IT? If this means Iran is going to unleash another holocaust anyday now, unless we stop and yesterday was late, then how would you deciphered the constant calls for "regime change" in Iran? And when you are at it, it's not just mere calling, right? So what that continuous debate not even about if we should start aggressive war against Iran, but about when it will happen and contemplating whenever we can use tactical nuclear bombs? Or what these civilians blown out on streets?

Re:not true. (2)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 2 years ago | (#38498646)

None of that has anything to do with the claim that the leaders of Iran never said such a thing and it was all a bad translation jumped on by Fox News. But I guess moving the goal posts is the only option.

Also since Israel doesn't admit to having tactical nuclear bombs in the first place, claiming they are continuously debating and contemplating using them is just ludicrous.

Re:not true. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38496884)

I know what you're referring to; the sloppy (if not deliberate so) translation of Ahmadinejad's statement about the Israeli regime being erased from the history books or something to that effect. George W. Bush and the lamestream media have had a field day with this and taken it to mean he literally wants to gas the Jews or something along those lines.

I think in this instance though, it is a fairly accurate paraphrasing of what he said. Iran is definitely and very openly opposed to the concept of the Israeli state.

He has never, however, explicitly said that Jews as a whole should be exterminated, cleansed, or removed from Israel. Iran itself has a population of Jews who, although are probably not fond of Ahmadinejad, do not live under any special oppression (at least, under any kind of oppression differing from the rest of Iran).

Basically, what he said is no more radical than Obama and the European leaders calling for the deposition of Gaddafi and the Libyan regime.

This is really dangerous! (1)

dmesg0 (1342071) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496116)

NetEnforcer is actually a traffic shaper, rather than spyware, the one ISPs use to lower priority of bittorent downloads.

This sale is really bad for the free world: instead of downloading their pr0n all day long, more Iranians will join the Revolutionary Guard and enrich uranium! Now we are really doomed!

Israel's greatest threat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38496128)

Israel's greatest threat, frankly, is the American people seeing that we need to adopt a Chinese style foreign policy and banking system: (i) give developing countries infrastructure in return for work rather than subservient government and military in return for work; (ii) build and export rather than casino and debt.

Iran's just the bogeyman necessary to justify continued misbehaviour.

The folly of arms races (0)

bigsexyjoe (581721) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496138)

Developing more technology than your enemies is a fool's errand. At best you should just try to develop just a little bit more than them. If you make breakthroughs, your enemies will steal your technology and be a bigger threat than ever.

It is for this reason that China is not yet spending so much on military technology. They will allow the US to bankrupt itself on military spending before they waste their energy taking the lead. From there their worst case is they just have to focus their energy developing the concepts that the US has already proved. But in most cases they will simply steal the US's technology.

Our efforts to try to keep Israel ahead of are similarly foolish. At this point we are trying to keep the large industrial nation of Iran from developing a nuclear weapon even though their main enemy has them. Stuxnet will work for now. But if nuclear weapons where made in the 1940's so I don't think computer viruses will stop them forever?

This case of Israeli spyware going to Iran is just one more example of the fact that all the technology you develop will find its way to enemy hands. Information wants to be free, for better or worse. Iran will have nukes and whatever else Israel develops. It's just a matter of time.

Re:The folly of arms races (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38496154)

Developing more technology than your enemies is a fool's errand. At best you should just try to develop just a little bit more than them. If you make breakthroughs, your enemies will steal your technology and be a bigger threat than ever.

Please outline exactly how that would work in practice.

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On second thought, don't bother.

Blah, so annoyed by this misrepresentation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38496314)

When are people going to realize that Iran never said they were going to annihilate Israel itself? They said they want to get rid of Zionism. The people who control Israel now are zionists who have hijacked the Jewish people. 1000-1500 years ago, many people from Russia and Eastern Europe converted to Judaism and became zionists which now have control of Israel, and most of the politicians in the world.

Iran never called for Israel's destruction (5, Informative)

kill-1 (36256) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496320)

The leaders of Iran never called for the destruction of Israel. I guess you're referring to Ahmadinejad's alleged "wiped of the map" statement. See here [wikipedia.org] for what he really said. Although he really is a nutcase if he denies the holocaust.

Re:Iran never called for Israel's destruction (0)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496388)

It's pretty easy to say "death to..." and when called out on it to say "well we really meant..." which is what Ahmadinejad the leaders before him, and the Ayatollah's have done too. I'm sure you already know what this is called, and I don't have to spell it out for you.

Re:Iran never called for Israel's destruction (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38496432)

It's pretty easy to make up lies to feed to ignorant people who don't bother to check facts and just work on the basis of racist prejudices and a massive generalisation of an entire people. I'm sure you already know what this is called, and I don't have to spell it out for you.

Re:Iran never called for Israel's destruction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38496492)

Quite frankly, I don't think Mashiki knows what it is called and needs it spelt out for him.

Re:Iran never called for Israel's destruction (1)

Lexx Greatrex (1160847) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496692)

It's pretty easy to say "death to..." and when called out on it to say "well we really meant..." which is what Ahmadinejad the leaders before him, and the Ayatollah's have done too. I'm sure you already know what this is called, and I don't have to spell it out for you.

What is worse than idiot puppets like Ahmadinejad is the religious hypocrisy that empowers them. Just look at the war-mongering drivel such religions are based on: Qur’an 47:4? [quran.com], Deuteronomy 20:10-17 [biblegateway.com], Qur’an 9:5 [quran.com], Numbers 31:17-18 [biblegateway.com].

Re:Iran never called for Israel's destruction (1)

Galestar (1473827) | more than 2 years ago | (#38498078)

It's also pretty easy to "translate" something incorrectly and then yell bloody murder, like what the US government and mainstream media has done.

Re:Iran never called for Israel's destruction (4, Interesting)

tinkerton (199273) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496894)

I agree that the 'wiped off the map' quote is a dishonest distortion.
I am certain though that Ahmadinejad has made very crude statements about Israel. Only, these statements are for public consumption only and often the the louder the statements, the less they represent what is actually going on. Take the 'wiped off the map' statement. This is a reference to an older quote by Khomeini, but in Khomeini's days Iran was an ally of Israel. The alliance was broken off after the 1990 gulf war, because with Iraq gone and the USSR gone Israel had to change its strategy and Iran became a regional competitor. It's then that Israel started to float the story about Iran working on a bomb, and Netanyahu was on the first row then, so he's fully aware of the background. A good introduction can be had by viewing a Trita Parsi speech on the treacherous triangle such as this one http://video.google.com/ [google.com] /videoplay?docid=-7506561148101946170 .

As for their nuclear weapons program, well, in one word I'd describe it as nonexistant. A good source for that would be Flynt Everett - Hillary Mann at raceforiran.com as well as the american experts that matter - for example the NIE.

If you check iranian officials, they want passive nuclear capability: having a general level of technological development such that there is a credible threat that if they one day the situation becomes that pressing that they have to start working on a bomb, then they would be successful in a reasonable time. Every developed country has this capability, and many countries go further. Japan has an official policy of threshold capability. That means everything is in place so they can make a bomb in the shortest possible time, in this case 2 months.

There are good reasons to believe Iran is telling the truth about this, because , while there can always be some research, such as before 2002, they have a lot of reasons not to go further. There is the religuous , of fundamentalist reason if you want, that nuclear bombs are haram. This is the reason Iran refused to use chemical weapons in the war with Iraq. There is the reason that Iran would become totally isolated. There is the reason that they have a regional advantage they would lose if they triggered proliferation and everyone would get a bomb.

It is interesting that when you press that issue it turns out that for western and Israeli officials the nuance doesn't matter. Whether they're trying to make a bomb or are just technologically advanced enough so they could if they wanted, it doesn't matter. In both cases Iran is a player. Even Hillary Clinton has said such a thing (but I lost the reference.)
 

Re:Iran never called for Israel's destruction (1, Interesting)

cowwoc2001 (976892) | more than 2 years ago | (#38497806)

It's sad to see people go to such lengths trying to explain away Iran's covert nuclear weapon program.

Every single intelligence service in the world is in agreement that Iran is developing nuclear weapons. All, that is, except Russia and China. Of course Russia is selling billions of dollar's worth of weapons to Iran (and Iraq before that) and China is heavily dependent on Iranian oil.

Even ignoring this fact, why in the world would Iran need nuclear energy? They have enough oil to meet domestic demand for over 100 years (!!). It makes absolutely no sense for them to go nuclear for any reason other than a weapons program. Furthermore, why did they hide it all these years? They are allowed to develop nuclear energy so long are transparent about its development *ahead of time*. Why would they risk all this cloak and dagger behavior if they weren't hiding anything?

If it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, it's a duck.

Re:Iran never called for Israel's destruction (3, Informative)

Galestar (1473827) | more than 2 years ago | (#38498274)

Every single intelligence service in the world is in agreement that Iran is developing nuclear weapons.

No, they are not. Not even all the U.S. intelligence services are in agreement about this. The"official" stance is that they are working on them, but there have been several public dissenting views come out from your CIA and FBI.

Of course Russia is selling billions of dollar's worth of weapons to Iran (and Iraq before that)

[citation needed]
#1 Iraq did not have weapons, ergo Russia did not sell weapons to them
#2 If Russia already sold weapons to Iran, they already have them, therefore their "proliferation" is a done deal.
Please stop making shit up.

The real issue is that there is significant international pressure for Iran to stop its nuclear program for civilian (power) purposes. First off, Iran is quite correct in that this is unfair as they are have signed the NPT, and have cooperated with the IAEA. Secondly, now that such crippling sanctions are in place against them, why should they stop? They are rightly convinced that the world will view them as a nuclear threat whether or not they stop their civilian program, and they now need that civilian program more than ever due to the sanctions.

Economic sanctions are a precursor to war. The American propaganda machine wants war with Iran. When have you ever known the American's to let the truth stand between them and one of their holy wars.

Re:Iran never called for Israel's destruction (1)

dbIII (701233) | more than 2 years ago | (#38499234)

The other thing is he isn't really the leader of Iran any more than than the assistant in charge of King John's court was the leader of England. It's a theocracy with a semi-elected bunch of advisors.

Capitalism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38496336)

True capitalism is on nobody's side, but profit's. Wars will be waged when it is profitable to do, enemies will be manufactured when it is profitable to do so, and weapons will be sold when it is profitable to do so. The people who do not understand this are the fools.

Really good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38496340)

Really good of the 3 employees to speak up after the fact.

I RTFA, but... (1)

elsurexiste (1758620) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496356)

Sorry, I RTFA, but I'll post instead about the company's name: "Allot". Boy, if only they had named it "Allotof", the potential lulz would have been huge.

Allotof Declines...

XD

That's all. Proceed as usual.

"Iran's 'leaders' call for [blah blah]" (2)

toby (759) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496490)

It is as ignorant and inaccurate to call Ahmadinejad one of Iran's "leaders" as it is to call the US President one of the USA's "leaders". Both are spokespeople and figureheads whose authority extends little further than public relations.

But whatever: Anything that paints Iran as the bad guy (against poor embattled little Israel, the lonely regional good guy...) helps build the case for the next unnecessary and awful American military action. Nice work, editors. Haz real journalism?

Re:"Iran's 'leaders' call for [blah blah]" (1)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496558)

What utter nonsense. You may not like the U.S. government, or the current president, but he has final say over all military strategies, and can veto any legislation passed by congress. To say he has no power, and is merely a figurehead displays nothing but rank stupidity.

Re:"Iran's 'leaders' call for [blah blah]" (1)

gracefool (649481) | more than 2 years ago | (#38497064)

Figureheads have some real power but are still figureheads. The President can only act according to the information that is given to him.

Re:"Iran's 'leaders' call for [blah blah]" (1)

Galestar (1473827) | more than 2 years ago | (#38498364)

Wealth is power. The true power in your country is possessed by the wealthy, not the president. You live in a dream world.

Democracy is dead. Long live democracy.

Re:"Iran's 'leaders' call for [blah blah]" (1)

Paladeen (8688) | more than 2 years ago | (#38498606)

There is a difference between formal power and real power.

The President of the United States has a great deal of formal power, but very little "real" power. His decisions are constrained in many complex ways by his party, his backers, his financial contributors and the various civil and military services in the US, which are the real creators of policy. They are the ones that present the viable options the figurehead chooses from.

Re:"Iran's 'leaders' call for [blah blah]" (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 2 years ago | (#38497648)

"Both are spokespeople and figureheads whose authority extends little further than public relations. "

The President of the US has the authority to launch a nuclear attack.

BFD (1)

Goonie (8651) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496562)

If this firm had sold the Iranians the blueprints to something actually security-sensitive, there might be a reason to care. But, FFS, what's Iran going to do with this - inspect Israeli-origin IP packets to death?

China (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38496592)

The Israeli's never had a problem selling American tech to China. Doubt they care very much if they are selling to their enemies either.

Impossible to stop (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496606)

This probably happens all the time with any equipment where sale isn't restricted to government intelligence agencies, whether the vendor is complicit or not. You just ship stuff to a middleman in an approved country and then smuggle it to the final destination. It isn't rocket science. Plus, they could probably just build a similar system themselves with all FOSS tools anyways.

Money is the only Flag (1)

koan (80826) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496648)

They knew, the only thing Israel does better than tech and weapons is espionage and money is king before any nation or flag, the only other thing that comes to mind is what little "surprises" are hidden in the gear waiting to be used against Iran so that in effect, this oops moment is plausible deniability.

Re:Money is the only Flag (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38497642)

They knew, the only thing Israel does better than tech and weapons is espionage and money is king before any nation or flag, the only other thing that comes to mind is what little "surprises" are hidden in the gear waiting to be used against Iran so that in effect, this oops moment is plausible deniability.

They do a few other things good, too. [youtube.com]

Cuba (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38496744)

Allot also sold gear to Cuba. All of the DPI vendors are criminals, Allot is leading the pack.

Re:Cuba (1)

Galestar (1473827) | more than 2 years ago | (#38498338)

Allot is a company from Israel. Please show me where Israel has an embargo against Cuba.

Written as I sit here smoking a cuban. Isn't being non-american great? :)

Spyware, thats not spyware. (1)

CapitalOrange (1552105) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496904)

Why is this Spyware? Spyware in its traditional sense is something you drop on a computer, not putting professional network management products on your network so you can see all your traffic. Deep Packet Inspection is pretty vital to almost any corporate network. This is almost as bad as people who call the LOIC from anon hacking instead of a DDOS attack. Its one thing to get that from CNN, but I expect more from Slashdot.

US Just hates Iran (1)

barv (1382797) | more than 2 years ago | (#38496912)

Since the fall of the Shah, US foreign policy is biased against Iran. At least that is the opinion I have formed after following the Israeli blog http://samsonblinded.org/blog/ [samsonblinded.org] . For instance, Saudi Arabia can get Nukes, but practically nobody reports it. OTOH from comments already posted on slashdot, this sale to Iran appears technically trivial

Re:US Just hates Iran (2)

Galestar (1473827) | more than 2 years ago | (#38498436)

Exactly.

Saudi, Isreal, Pakistan, India, North Korea. All allowed to have nukes, but with 0 evidence the world puts huge propaganda and sanctions against Iran, and the U.S. starts a habit of routinely invading their airspace.

To all the people warmongering against Iran:
If anyone can show conclusive proof that Iran is working on a nuke, I will buy into the war machine.
Otherwise, please tell these other countries to disarm or you idiots can STFU about Iran.

How dare they! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38497524)

That software was developed for oppressing Palestinians!

How dare they use it against Jews?

Of course, that's the problem with developing tools of oppression.

How I Learned to Start Thinking and Hate the Jews (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38497754)

There are two types of people in the world: people who think there are two types of people in the world and people who don’t. I’m among the first type and I think the world is divided into people who recognize the Jewish problem and people who don’t.

In other words, the world is divided into smart people and dumb people. If you’ve got an IQ of 80, have difficulty operating a can-opener, and recognize the Jewish problem, you’re smart. If you’ve got an IQ of 180, have already won a couple of Nobel Prizes, and don’t recognize the Jewish problem, you’re dumb.

I’ve been dumb for most of my life: it took me a long time to recognize the Jewish problem. I didn’t think for myself, I just accepted the propaganda and conformed to the consensus. Jews are good people. Only bad people criticize Jews. Jews good. Anti-Semites bad. But then, very slowly, I started to see the light.

Recognizing Jewish hypocrisy was the first big step. I was reading an article by someone called Rabbi Julia Neuberger, a prominent British liberal. I didn’t like liberals then, so I didn’t like her for that (and because her voice and manner had always grated on me), but her Jewishness wasn’t something I particularly noticed. But as I read the article I came across something that didn’t strike me as very liberal: she expressed concern about Jews marrying Gentiles, because this threatened the survival of the Jewish people.

That made me sit up and think. Hold on, I thought, I know this woman sits on all sorts of “multi-cultural” committees and is constantly being invited onto TV and radio to yap about the joys of diversity and the evils of racism. She’s all in favor of mass immigration and there’s no way she’s worried about Whites marrying non-Whites, because “Race is Just a Social Construct” and “We’re All the Same Under the Skin”. She’s a liberal and she thinks that race-mixing is good and healthy and Holy. Yet this same woman is worried about Jews marrying Gentiles. Small contradiction there, n'est ce-pas?

Well, no. Big contradiction. She obviously didn’t apply the same rules to everyone else as she applied to her own people, the Jews. She was, in short, a hypocrite. But not just that – she was a Jewish hypocrite. And that’s a big step for a brainwashed White to take: not just thinking in a negative way about a Jew, but thinking in a negative way about a Jew because of her Jewishness.

After that, I slowly started to see the world in a different way. Or to be more precise: I started to see the world. I started to see what had always been there: the massive over-representation of Jews in politics and the media. And I started to notice that a lot of those Jews – like Rabbi Julia Neuberger, in fact – gave me the creeps. There was something slimy and oily and flesh-crawling about them. And it wasn’t just me, either: other Gentiles seemed to feel it too.

Politicians often attract nicknames based on some outstanding aspect of their character or behavior. Margaret Thatcher was “The Iron Lady”. Ronald Reagan was “Teflon Ron”. Bill Clinton was “Slick Willy”. But these are Gentile politicians and their nicknames are at least half-affectionate. Jewish politicians seem to attract a different kind of nickname. In Britain, Gerald Kaufman, bald, homosexual Member of Parliament for Manchester Gorton, is nicknamed “Hannibal Lecter”. Peter Mandelson, now Britain’s Euro-Commissioner and Tony Blair’s suspected former lover, is “The Prince of Darkness”. Michael Howard (né Hecht), the leader of the British Conservative Party, is “Dracula”.

When I noticed this kind of thing, I started to ask questions. What was going on here? Why did Jews attract nicknames like that? And why had Gentiles reacted to them like that not just now, but a long way into the past? Shakespeare seems to have felt the same kind of repulsion when he created the vengeful lawyer Shylock, and Dickens when he created the parasitic master-thief Fagin. Classic “anti-Semitic” stereotypes, but I knew that stereotypes aren’t always wrong. If anti-Semitic stereotypes aren’t always wrong, then there’s an obvious conclusion: neither is anti-Semitism. Gentiles are sometimes right to dislike and distrust Jews.

After all, at the same time I was noticing something else: the massive over-representation of Jews, not just among politicians and journalists, but among crooked businessmen too. In fact, among very, very crooked businessmen, the ones responsible for really big frauds at Gentile expense. Men like Robert Maxwell (né Hoch), Ivan “Greed is Good” Boesky, and Michael Milken. And, on a slightly lesser scale, Ernest Saunders, who finagled an early release from prison because he was coming down with Alzheimer’s, that well-known incurable brain disease from which no-one ever recovers. Only Saunders managed to confound medical science and recover from it.

Slimy. Hypocritical. Crooked. In a word: Jewish. But I didn’t take the final step, the step to full recognition of the Jewish problem, until I watched the reaction to Mel Gibson’s The Passion of the Christ. I’m not a Christian and I have little sympathy with modern Christianity, but I had a lot of sympathy for Mel Gibson as I watched the hysterical campaign against him. The hysterical, well-organized, international campaign by the slimy, hypocritical, crooked Jew Abe Foxman, Head of the Anti-Defamation League, and his fellow slimy, hypocritical, crooked Jews around the world. They didn’t like something and they were moving heaven and earth to get it stopped.

And what was it they didn’t like? A movie about an event at the heart of European art, literature, and culture: the crucifixion of Christ. So here was another obvious conclusion: Jews hate European art, literature, and culture. In other words, Jews hate White civilization and the White race who created it.

After that, it all fell into place. I finally recognized that Jews weren’t just slimy, hypocritical, and crooked, but actively dangerous too. If I thought of something harmful to White civilization and the survival of the White race – mass immigration, feminism, multi-culturalism, anti-racism, gay rights – I realized that Jews were behind it, were promoting it through their control of the media, and had been doing so for decades.

Finally, I had seen the light. Finally, I had gotten smart and recognized the Jewish problem, the problem that even dumb Gentiles subconsciously recognize when they give nicknames like “Hannibal Lecter” and “Prince of Darkness” and “Dracula” to Jewish politicians. Jews really do want to eat us, and steal our souls, and suck our blood, and it’s about time we started firing a few silver bullets.

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