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Progressive Era Hacker Griefed Marconi Demonstration

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the trolling-through-the-ages dept.

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nbauman writes "In June 1903, Gugliemo Marconi and his partner Ambrose Flemming were about to give the first demonstration of long-range wireless communication at the Royal Institution in London, which, Marconi said, could be sent in complete confidentiality with no fear of the messages being hijacked. Suddenly, the silence was broken by a huge mysterious wireless pulse strong enough to take over the carbon-arc projector and make it sputter messages in Morse Code. First, it repeated the word 'Rats' over and over again (abusive at that time). Then it tapped out, 'There was a young fellow of Italy, who diddled the public quite prettily.' Further rude epithets followed. It was Nevil Maskelyne, a stage musician and inventor who was annoyed because Marconi's patents prevented him from using wireless. It was the first hacking, to demonstrate an insecure system."

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Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toilet (5, Informative)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#38518870)

That's not a joke, BTW. So every time you really have to defecate and some greedy business or city has installed a pay toilet, you can thank John Nevil Maskelyne [wikipedia.org] --the noble inventor who pioneered the idea of charging people a penny to take a shit.

And, as an American, god bless you Committee to End Pay Toilets in America [wikipedia.org] --for keeping this scourge mostly out of the land of the free crapper.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (3, Interesting)

Fned (43219) | more than 2 years ago | (#38518896)

I live in SF. There are NO free toilets. The only public toilets AT ALL are the pay ones, which are very, very few.

Before they put those in, there were simply no public toilets at all...

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38518920)

That's probably why the homeless crap on the streets there.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

Fned (43219) | more than 2 years ago | (#38518966)

That's probably why the homeless crap on the streets there.

Duh.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (3, Informative)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519280)

When you got to go, you got to go.

Expecting a homeless person to hold for an hour or so till they find somebody willing to let them use the toilet is expecting too much. Are they going to walk around with signs, "Will work for a place to shit?".

Reminds of the story with Gerard Depardieu peeing on the plane. He is an older guy, and when you got to go, you really have to go. Waiting 20-30 minutes is not optional. He whipped it out and just started peeing in the aisle. Better than peeing in his own pants sitting down for certain.

Bottom line is that if you don't give a human being an option on where to to put "it", "it" is just going to be put anywhere.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (3, Interesting)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 2 years ago | (#38520316)

He whipped it out and just started peeing in the aisle.

Actually he discreetly attempted to pee into a bottle while still seated. Nobody could see his wang except his seat-neighbor who was a good friend of his (... and who incidentally lent him the bottle...). However, being an "elephant" as he is, the bottle overflowed, and the rest is history.

No standing up in the middle of the aisle, and demonstratively peeing at the stewardess' feet. That was just pure journalistic fantasy.

... and he even offered to clean up the mess after the bottle (a "mini Evian" bottle) overflowed.

Bottom line is that if you don't give a human being an option on where to to put "it", "it" is just going to be put anywhere.

Indeed. I happened to be at a "Quick Hamburger Restaurant" to have a small snack after a drinking spree, and suddenly I had to go. Unfortunately all loos at that place were paying (... even for customers!). But fortunately there was a trashcan suspended at exactly the correct height...

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (2)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 2 years ago | (#38520416)

No standing up in the middle of the aisle, and demonstratively peeing at the stewardess' feet. That was just pure journalistic fantasy.

Well that was the story going about over here in the US. I got to admit, I like that story better. Gerard defiant in the aisle, manhood in hand, screaming, "I piss for France!".

It's just funnier that way. In any case, I support him. When you have to go that bad just let the person go to the bathroom in a dignified manner. From the story I heard he did explain how badly he needed to go and that he would not be able to hold it.

Need at least a 500ml bottle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38520686)

... the bottle (a "mini Evian" bottle) overflowed ...

Any guy who has gone camping overnight in cold weather knows that a 330ml bottle is not quite enough. Hint: never borrow a 500ml nalgene bottle from, or loan one to, a camper. 1L bottles should be OK if your buddy also has the 500ml and can therefore tell them apart in the dark.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

datavirtue (1104259) | more than 2 years ago | (#38521222)

Everyone knows you need at least 20oz capacity to pee in a bottle. I guess he never peed in a bottle before!

*Sigh* The imperial system lets us down again~! (3, Insightful)

sjwt (161428) | more than 2 years ago | (#38521808)

Once again, the inability of Americans to let go of the imperial system has lead to a disaster, if only the bottle had been marked metric then Gerard Depardieu would have known how much it held!

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

lightknight (213164) | more than 2 years ago | (#38518982)

And I'm vaguely interested in those disappearing toilets the British have.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (3, Funny)

Stele (9443) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519006)

You must be thinking of police boxes.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

webmistressrachel (903577) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519474)

Yeah, those things which never disappear and never have doctors, police, or anything else inside them... how disappointing...

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 2 years ago | (#38520166)

I thought that police boxes usually have a Doctor (and maybe a companion) in them.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

webmistressrachel (903577) | more than 2 years ago | (#38520206)

Whoosh...

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (4, Funny)

publiclurker (952615) | more than 2 years ago | (#38520558)

Actually, it's more of a grinding noise.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (2)

mikael (484) | more than 2 years ago | (#38520392)

Not as high-tech as one of these Automatic rising toilets [johnchow.com]

A time-switch activates a motor at night to raise the unit to street-level for use. Then as dawn breaks, the unit is lowered back underground.

There are supposed to be safety systems that prevent anyone from being trapped and "buried alive".

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

mortonda (5175) | more than 2 years ago | (#38521026)

There are supposed to be safety systems that prevent anyone from being trapped and "buried alive".

If you RTFA (I know, this is slashdot) it is raised and lowered by an attendant at sunrise and sunset.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (2)

slashgrim (1247284) | more than 2 years ago | (#38521324)

Not as high-tech as one of these Automatic rising toilets [johnchow.com]

But the one-way mirror loo [bbc.co.uk] passes them all for zaniness!

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

EdZ (755139) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519866)

You mean These* [youtube.com] ? They're mainly an attempt to solve the 'drunk people pissing everywhere' issue that requires expensive cleanup, i.e. a cost-saving rather than a philanthropic gesture.

*The only reason I didn't use the clip set to the Thunderbirds March [youtube.com] was because it didn't show the complete raise-lower sequence. It is truly unfortunate that they do not actually play this when activated.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

nitehawk214 (222219) | more than 2 years ago | (#38522200)

You mean These* [youtube.com] ? They're mainly an attempt to solve the 'drunk people pissing everywhere' issue that requires expensive cleanup, i.e. a cost-saving rather than a philanthropic gesture.

*The only reason I didn't use the clip set to the Thunderbirds March [youtube.com] was because it didn't show the complete raise-lower sequence. It is truly unfortunate that they do not actually play this when activated.

I wonder how many people piss themselves for waiting for the thing to pop up. Also it saddens me that there is no music involved.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (5, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#38518948)

I live in San Fransisco.

I said in America.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (0)

Woldscum (1267136) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519124)

Mod this up!!

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38519268)

Yeah! Palin-Country, bitch!

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38520888)

Yeah, there's nothing more unamerican than the Golden Gate bridge.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38521040)

Yeah, there's nothing more unamerican than the Golden Gate bridge.

Actually San Francisco's Bay Bridge is more un-American, you get all the commie/hippie of San Francisco plus the governmental hypocrisy of made in China.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (5, Funny)

alen (225700) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519026)

in NYC the public toilets are called Starbucks

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38519060)

My kingdom for a mod point.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

LoRdTAW (99712) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519102)

In NYC the bums just drop drawers, squat and pinch one off. Saw it with my own eyes once and know two people who have witnessed it first hand.

And we dont have pay toilets.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

datavirtue (1104259) | more than 2 years ago | (#38521260)

As a young child I'll never forget stepping over streams of pee on the sidewalk while walking through New York city.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

Brett Buck (811747) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519254)

Well, since they got rid of phone booth's, anyway.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

GonzoPhysicist (1231558) | more than 2 years ago | (#38520920)

or cop cars?

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

sjames (1099) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519058)

Even the restaurants have pay toilets?

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (2)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 2 years ago | (#38520448)

When I flew into Brussels (yes, not USA), we then drove to Hasselt, and stopped for coffee and breakfast at a nice clean roadside "buffet" (European style, not American style). Can't remember the name, but it's a chain, nice clean place. Anyway, if you don't eat there, they charge you to use the bathroom, like half a Euro. They have an attendant there who checks your receipt or charges you if you don't have one. My American friend and I were dumbfounded. We live in the Carolinas, where pay toilets are almost unheard of, even in the city.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

Moridineas (213502) | more than 2 years ago | (#38520904)

I'm from NC. I had never even heard of a pay toilet before my first trip to Italy. Don't think I've run into one in the US.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#38521932)

The only place I've seen pay toilets in the USA has been in bus stations and in fast food restaurants. The fast food restaurants have a token to give you if you buy food.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

Nyder (754090) | more than 2 years ago | (#38521372)

When I flew into Brussels (yes, not USA), we then drove to Hasselt, and stopped for coffee and breakfast at a nice clean roadside "buffet" (European style, not American style). Can't remember the name, but it's a chain, nice clean place. Anyway, if you don't eat there, they charge you to use the bathroom, like half a Euro. They have an attendant there who checks your receipt or charges you if you don't have one. My American friend and I were dumbfounded. We live in the Carolinas, where pay toilets are almost unheard of, even in the city.

Weird, because where i come from (Seattle, yes, in the USA), those places say RESTROOMS FOR CUSTOMERS ONLY.

Granted they don't have someone standing there checking to make sure you bought something, but they normally do NOT let non paying customers use they restrooms. Why? Because having homeless and junkies using your bathrooms are bad for business.

And honestly, do you want to go use a bathroom where anyone can go and use it? Ya, those anyone's usually are the homeless and druggies.

For example, in Seattle, we have a place called Pike Place Public Market. And there is bathrooms anyone can use. And even though they get cleaned daily, they are gross as all hell, and I would NEVER do anything more then stand and pee there.

But don't get me wrong, I feel a city should provide free bathrooms, but the businesses in that city can charge or not charge all they want. It's not about making money, it's usually about keeping paying customers happy.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38520692)

I thought those had all been removed because the homeless were using them to shoot up drugs and sleep in. Not to mention the prostitutes who were using them as an office.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (2)

Venner (59051) | more than 2 years ago | (#38518964)

There is (was?) a pay-restroom right by the western end of the Charles Bridge in Prague, presumably to fleece the high volume of crossing foreign tourists. You pay the big beefy man sitting at the window, he hands you a few squares of toilet paper, and gives you a big thumbs up and a "Good luck!" What service. Ah, free enterprise.

Yeah, definitely not cool from the standpoint of visitors, but still highly amusing.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

craash420 (884493) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519030)

This is quite common in Bulgaria; if only they'd use the money to maintain said toilets!

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

realityimpaired (1668397) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519452)

When travelling in Europe, I find that the most consistently clean toilets are at McDonald's restaurants... when you *really* gotta go and can't get back to your hotel, it's worth the cost of a small coke.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38520216)

In France there's a company called Relais that operates pay toilets in high-traffic sites like subway stations and shopping centers. Different prices for different services; the dumper costs more than the pisser, and so forth. They also have showers. And they sparkle...matter of fact, Yank tourists are often a bit bemused to see a female attendant working her way past with a mop as they stand at the pisser. Free toilets are usually nearby, sometimes adjacent...they aren't so nice. It's the Invisible Hand, working its magic.

Gas stations on the German and Austrian Autobahn often have coin-op toilets. You put a euro coin in a slot to get in, and it gives you a receipt and unlocks the door. When you get up off the crapper, it flushes itself; then a robot arm comes down with a brush and a sprayer. The sprayer spritzes and the brush spins as the seat rotates 360 degrees on its axis. Then you can use the receipt to get your euro back if you buy anything.

rj

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

burisch_research (1095299) | more than 2 years ago | (#38521134)

How very efficient -- how very German?

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38521646)

Good beer, good sausage and sparkly clean toilets.
I'm sold.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (5, Interesting)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519178)

Try visiting China. Went through 20 different cities and rural areas.

Toilets are free, or at least everyone I saw was, but there were no toilet paper rolls, paper towels, etc. You brought your own paper napkins and toilet paper with you everywhere.

Visited a factory and the public bathroom was a nightmare. You had running water, but were expected to have your own soap and paper. The executives handed me them.

It was just normal there. We took around handiwipes with us everywhere.

The only exception were the 4-5 star hotels that catered to westerners. Only time I had a "regular" toilet that I could sit on with a toilet paper roll right next to me. Rest were the squat type.

I hear India and other places are not much different.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (2)

steelfood (895457) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519824)

You'll see the same at restaurants, where you have to bring your own napkin.

Free napkins and toilet paper are mostly subsidized by the cost of the food. This is made possible because the commodity is so inexpensive, and the primary product is priced sufficiently high enough to cover the cost of the commodity.

In places like India and China (and numerous other places), natural resources (per capita) are relatively expensive, i.e. the cost of a roll of toilet paper or a stack of napkins or other such is significantly higher relative to the general cost of living.

IMHO, this is actually a good thing. It keeps people from wasting the resource, because they're paying out of their own pocket for it. The price of the freebie is not hidden behind something else, like the price of the food or the entrance price. They know exactly how much each napkin is costing them, because they bought it. Which means they're not going to use it on things that are not worthwhile.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 2 years ago | (#38520038)

My friends tell me that Chinese toilets are like Mexican toilets, in that you can pee in them but you have to throw your poopy toilet paper into an adjacent wastebasket or you'll back the whole system up. Is that true?

I've seen American companies have problems with the F.O.B. Asians actually standing up on the(American-style) toilets and then squatting to crap, causing damage to the toilets and prompting management to leave angry notes saying not to stand on the toilets pasted on all the stalls. My brain broke trying to comprehend the absurdity of that message until somebody explained to me that they're used to shitting "like birds perched on a branch."

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (2)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 2 years ago | (#38521146)

My friends tell me that Chinese toilets are like Mexican toilets, in that you can pee in them but you have to throw your poopy toilet paper into an adjacent wastebasket or you'll back the whole system up. Is that true?

I've seen a similar thing in a French mountain hostel. The wastebasket for the TP was mounted to the door. The whole stall was so small that you kept bumping your knees into the wastebasket. And, when done, bringing your hand holding the stained TP from the back to the front without staining your clothes proved to be an interesting puzzle... And no, just passing your hand from the front to your ass was not an option, because spreading your legs enough for the hand to pass was just not possible in that minuscule stall.

So many people in the group didn't bother, and dropped the TP in the bowl anyways. We stayed only one night, and never knew whether this did indeed back the whole system up.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#38521232)

That describes toilets in some Greek islands I've visited. The second thing the holiday company rep said was not to flush your toilet paper, because the sewer system isn't able to take them and tends to clog very easily.

The first thing the rep said was not to drink the tapwater.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (5, Informative)

arth1 (260657) | more than 2 years ago | (#38518988)

That wasn't the guy who hacked Marconi, it was his father.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (4, Funny)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519096)

It flows downhill.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38518994)

I much prefer a safe and clean pay toilet to a dirty or non-existent free one.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

sjames (1099) | more than 2 years ago | (#38520458)

How about the filthy pay toilets that actually existed until CEPTA went into action?

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38519038)

According to the article, it was his father that invented the pay-toilet.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (3, Informative)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519104)

ORLY?

Pecunia non olet (supposedly 70CE).

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38519106)

That was his dad, moron.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

datavirtue (1104259) | more than 2 years ago | (#38521304)

Forget it, this thread is now about toilets.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38519914)

"non olet"

Didn't the Roman Emperor Vespasian charge Romans to use the public toilets?

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

Zaphod The 42nd (1205578) | more than 2 years ago | (#38520750)

John Nevil Maskelyne (of the pay toilet) was Nevil Maskelyne (the man in the article) 's father. Not sure if you knew this or not, but it might be ambiguous or confusing to others.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38521406)

That's not a joke, BTW.

Joke no, wrong yes.

You confuse the father with the son. Sadly you are too retarded to even read the original article correctly.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

fiddley (834032) | more than 2 years ago | (#38521828)

Considering this is a story about hacking, on the 'news for nerds' website, you certainly got a good conversation going about PAY TOILETS, of all things. Well played sir. I never realised this would register so high on the conversational agenda. I'm going to try this one at my next dinner party :-)

Your Sig? (1)

drainbramage (588291) | more than 2 years ago | (#38521918)

Oh so appropriate for your subject.

Re:Maskelyne, also great inventor of the pay toile (1)

nitehawk214 (222219) | more than 2 years ago | (#38522242)

That's not a joke, BTW. So every time you really have to defecate and some greedy business or city has installed a pay toilet, you can thank John Nevil Maskelyne [wikipedia.org] --the noble inventor who pioneered the idea of charging people a penny to take a shit.

And, as an American, god bless you Committee to End Pay Toilets in America [wikipedia.org] --for keeping this scourge mostly out of the land of the free crapper.

So the guy was the first troll as well.

Actually (1)

M0j0_j0j0 (1250800) | more than 2 years ago | (#38518924)

I believe the first hacker was actully the guy that shaved the messangers head.

Re:Actually (1)

Schmorgluck (1293264) | more than 2 years ago | (#38520716)

Sure, if you count steganography as hacking. Which is arguable, but defendable.

Re:Actually (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#38521244)

The system could be broken with an obvious form of hacking: Simply hack bits of the messanger off until he tells you how the message is hidden.

I wonder... (1)

c0lo (1497653) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519078)

What the world would look like if this hack would have resulted in the equivalent of "Cyber threat/war" concepts we are seeing nowadays [slashdot.org] ?

Re:I wonder... (5, Insightful)

jd (1658) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519332)

I suspect you'd have seen much of the same cult leader tactics employed by Edison and Tesla in their fights with each other, ending in the pointless and stupid destruction of one protagonist and the adoption of a highly inefficient technology for the sole purpose of denouncing a rival's. When feuds are settled amicably, you tend to get best-of-breed hybrids and an incentive to move forwards. When feuds are settled at gunpoint (real or metaphorical), politics and Not Invented Here take over, leading to regression and an irrational desire to not move forwards lest the "other side" win.

Re:I wonder... (1)

Catbeller (118204) | more than 2 years ago | (#38521888)

There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Market.

How the fuck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38519100)

Is this news? Seriously, this place has gone completely down the fucking shitter. Thanks a lot to the likes of bmo

Re:How the fuck (1)

MichaelKristopeit420 (2018880) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519168)

slashdot = stagnated

Re:How the fuck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38521914)

slashdot = stagnated

It sure is; you're spouting the same old shite you always do.
You know, it was nice when you went away for a little while there.

Oh, I nearly forgot: feeb. [youtube.com]

Flobot sex - progressive tv commercial (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38519122)

what you don't see is Flo taking the, "Flobot" back to her lair, which is a true to form "nest" constructed out of bits of plastic which she ripped apart from various milk jugs with her teeth while gripping the ceiling with her pointy toe nails. The "Flobot" is akin to a Fleshlight, but a walking and talking one.

ah, yes, the first transatlantic connection (0)

khipu (2511498) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519130)

Ah, those were the days:

Marconi: Is-a too low, idiota. Too low. Bring up-a!
Fleming: Fine weather we're having Mr Macaroni, wha?
Marconi: Marconi! Macaroni is a pasta.
Fleming: Yeah, whatever you say, Madoci.
Marconi: Macaroni!
Marconi: Batteria!
Marconi: Connect the battery-a.
Marconi: Santa Lucia!
Marconi: Today, we make history-a!
Marconi: Mamma mia!

Re:ah, yes, the first transatlantic connection (1)

dwywit (1109409) | more than 2 years ago | (#38520148)

Channeling Spike Milligan, there.

Re:ah, yes, the first transatlantic connection (1)

khipu (2511498) | more than 2 years ago | (#38521086)

A moderator who doesn't get the reference and total non-sequitur. Gosh, you guys should have your geek cards revoked.

Re:ah, yes, the first transatlantic connection (1)

dwywit (1109409) | more than 2 years ago | (#38521868)

Hmmm. I have no mod points today, so that makes me a commenter, not a mod. -1 for you.
 
I obviously didn't get the reference you intended, so -1 for me.
 
It seems you haven't read SM's WWII collection, so while it was an incorrect reference, it wasn't a non-sequitur. Call that even. BTW, I'd be flattered if someone compared me to Spike.
 
You haven't read SM's WWII books? -1 for you.

So the first post (1)

squidflakes (905524) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519156)

Wasn't FIRST POST!?!?!?!

Does that mean we should all start posting RATS! instead?

A little mischief has always had its virtues. (3, Insightful)

Chas (5144) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519158)

A-freakin'-MEN!

Not saying that resorting to mischief is ALWAYS the right solution. But in these days of rampant complacency, you sometimes need to resort to something spectacular to draw attention to very real problems. Otherwise, people are just too busy keeping their heads down and their asses covered to give a damn.

And before some shit-for-brains tries to draw a parallel with Anonymous or "Occupy". This was a person pointing out a flaw in a technology and doing it in such a way that it didn't break anything, do any damage (other than to someone's overblown arrogance) or violate any laws.

Re:A little mischief has always had its virtues. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38519244)

When I started reading the summary, I was hoping it was Tesla who was screwing with him.

They'll sell you on Marconi.
Familiar, but a phony.
Story goes they sold their souls
And swore that you'd never know...

Re:A little mischief has always had its virtues. (4, Informative)

GrpA (691294) | more than 2 years ago | (#38521130)

My thoughts too, but Tesla was busy at the time and it was after Marconi won the Nobel Prize in 1911 that Tesla finally sued Marconi and Won.

Marconi fooled the American public pretty well and to this day, most people still believe Marconi invented the Radio Telegraph - probably including most people on Slashdot.

The Radio Telegraph was invented by Tesla. The Radio ( as we know it today ) was invented by Fessenden.

Neither really got the credit they deserve - Marconi had the political connections he needed to abuse the US patent system... I guess nothing has changed in 112 years.

GrpA

Re:A little mischief has always had its virtues. (1)

c0lo (1497653) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519320)

And before some shit-for-brains tries to draw a parallel with Anonymous or "Occupy". This was a person pointing out a flaw in a technology and doing it in such a way that it didn't break anything, do any damage (other than to someone's overblown arrogance) or violate any laws.

Well, seems those times were showing more common-sense than today - no so hasty to come with new laws [slashdot.org] , but fixing what's broken or working within constraints [wikipedia.org] .

Re:A little mischief has always had its virtues. (3, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#38520072)

" But in these days "
stop romanticizing the pasty. This is haw the vast majority of people have ALWAYS been.
If anything, there is less complacency.

It is the same thing in principle. The damage was minimal because it was one person hacking ONE thing.
Oh, they did break any laws in a time when the tech was too new to have any laws? I shocked, simply shocked.

BTW your statement implies that the laws are correct and should never be broken.

Think about that for a minute.

And then... (0)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519214)

Then it tapped out, 'There was a young fellow of Italy, who diddled the public quite prettily.'

When Marconi tried to reply, all he got back was, "Sorr can't.. hea.. u ... goin... throu.. tunne..." followed by a cryptic message: "NO CARRIER".

Never hear... (2)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519278)

Why we never hear "patent allowed," but instead always we hear this:

[...] a stage musician and inventor who was annoyed because Marconi's patents prevented him from using wireless.

Re:Never hear... (3, Interesting)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519834)

You used to.

That was because patents were supposed to be awarded for things that people couldn't figure out how to do without looking at the patent. That's why we (ostensibly) require patents to be novel, and non-obvious. It's supposed to be a trade-off: in return for showing people how to do stuff they couldn't figure out on their own, you get a limited monopoly on that concept. Over all, such a system should broaden human knowledge and capability.

Of course, nobody pays attention to obviousness or novelty any more - now we are awarding patents for things that are immediately obvious to people familiar with the art. And, surprise, surprise, we're finding that patents are impeding advancement.

Re:Never hear... (0)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#38520088)

"out how to do without looking at the patent"
wrong.

The people not paying attention are people like you who have never read patent law, it's history, why it's in the constitution to begin with or the definition of obvious.

Re:Never hear... (0, Flamebait)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 2 years ago | (#38520242)

Wrong. You're an idiot.

See, I can argue like you too! It's really easy when all you ever do is insult people and never make any actual points or provide information.

You're a dick.

Look, I did it again. I'm getting good at this. You should subcontract your commenting out to me - I can provide meaningless posts calling people names for a very reasonable fee.

Re:Never hear... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38521900)

I can provide meaningless posts calling people names for a very reasonable fee.

I believe that Anonymous Coward Group, LLC, has a business method patent on that. Pay up.

Apple bashed Marconi was a thief (4, Informative)

Whiteox (919863) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519626)

There is no way that Marconi invented anything. He was just an early Steve Jobs, so no wonder someone rained on his parade.
There are too many references, but check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventor_of_radio [wikipedia.org] .
My favourite quote about this was Tesla when he said: "Marconi [... was] using seventeen of my patents"
The first transmissions were around 1872, with most of the work done by Mahlon Loomis with his 'wireless telegraph'.

Re:Apple bashed Marconi was a thief (4, Informative)

cusco (717999) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519982)

The full quote, which Tesla said when informed by a reporter that Marconi had managed to transmit a wireless message across the Atlantic, was "Marconi is a good fellow. Let him continue. He is using seventeen of my patents." IIRC, he then informed the reporter that if he had received the funding he had requested to build a receiving station in France he would have done the same thing five years earlier.

Re:Apple bashed Marconi was a thief (3, Interesting)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#38521270)

If you want a good historical Jobs, try Edison. He was a decent-but-not-great inventor, like Jobs. He was also a business genius, like Jobs. And, like Jobs, he realised the power of personality in marketing - building his empire largely by taking the ideas of his anonymous underlings and branding them as his own, creating the image of himself as an uber-inventor of superhuman intellect in order to better sell the inventions.

Not a musician (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38519870)

Maskelyne (of the famed duo Maskelyne and Devant) was a stage magician, not musician.

Progressive Era (-1, Troll)

reboot246 (623534) | more than 2 years ago | (#38519960)

Am I the only one who read that as "Progressive Error"?

Seriously, the Progressives were wrong then and haven't learned a damned thing since then.

Re:Progressive Era (0)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#38520114)

Progressive have been behind every great decade in the US.

You are a damn misogynist, racist, and a moron, but I repeat myself.

Re:Progressive Era (1, Insightful)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 2 years ago | (#38520654)

Progressive have been behind every great decade in the US.

Ah, yes. Progressives. Characterized by their movement's early and passsionate embrace of things like eugenics ("Really, it's for their own good - we're the best ones to decide who should be reproducing, don't you think?"). Fond of creating entire chunks of civilization that are simultaneously dependent on and resentful of a trickle of dole (tended to, of course, by ranks of career Dole Overseers who aspire to that position mostly while in Progressive-heavy lefty schools). Fond of enslaving one group of people so that they can claim to be taking care of another group who the say - because of their skin color - can't possibly look out for themselves, ever. Ah, Progressives - those fine young men and women who so staunchly protect freedom of speech unless they happen to disagree with what's being said, and then it must be made illegal, newspapers must be stolen and destroyed, and people speaking must be shouted down in the name of freedom of speech.

Yeah, who's the mysoginistic, racist, moronic group, I wonder? The ones who insist on dividing everyone into race and grievance groups? The ones who proclaim prosperity to be evil, but who will grant a properous person a pass if they (publicly, anyway) say that the Progressives have it all right, after all? Ah, Progressives, ardent defenders of ugly mediocrity or worse in every school, lest a labor union give in an admit that there are such things as lousy teacher on the payroll. Progressives, who would rather see a bright student's intellect burn away than lose a member of their forced-to-contribute-to-specific-political-operations-if-they-want-to-teach plantation.

Every great decade in the US has happened despite them, not because of them. They made the Great Depression longer and more ruinous, and we have a fanastic history-repeating-itself example of that sort of lunacy going on again, right now.

Magician, not Musician (1)

Aidtopia (667351) | more than 2 years ago | (#38520032)

There were several Maskelynes. I believe the one mentioned in the summary was a stage magician not a musician.

He was a MAGICIAN, not musician (5, Informative)

Maow (620678) | more than 2 years ago | (#38520288)

From TFS:

Nevil Maskelyne, a stage musician

From TFA:

a mustachioed 39-year-old British music hall magician.

Having said that, he may also have been a musician, but the magician part was how he used his interest in wireless technology:

He would use Morse code in "mind-reading" magic tricks to secretly communicate with a stooge. He worked out how to use a spark-gap transmitter to remotely ignite gunpowder. And in 1900, Maskelyne sent wireless messages between a ground station and a balloon 10 miles away. But, as author Sungook Hong relates in the book Wireless, his ambitions were frustrated by Marconi's broad patents, leaving him embittered towards the Italian. Maskelyne would soon find a way to vent his spleen.

Also, I've highlighted the most-relevant part to today's world: he was frustrated by overly-broad patents.

Plus ca change...

This is a clear violation of... (2)

fotoguzzi (230256) | more than 2 years ago | (#38521236)

...the Analogue Millennium Copyright Act.

Re:This is a clear violation of... (1)

dtmos (447842) | more than 2 years ago | (#38521810)

Nah -- this was Morse code. The DMCA itself applies.

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