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Speculating On What a Microsoft Superphone Might Mean

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the it's-gotta-have-super-powers-and-ruthless-enemies dept.

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smitty777 writes "Forbes is running an intriguing story on a new 'Superphone' under development by the folks at Microsoft. According to this leaked MS roadmap document, the plan is to build the Apollo-based phone in the 4th quarter of 2012. FTA: 'In the end, however, none of this matters. Microsoft's "peek into the future" is barely a glimpse into what the company may or may not have planned for 2012. While the "superphone" bullet is worth noting, it is not the confirmation of a revolutionary new product. At best, it indicates that Microsoft wishes to compete with Apple by offering a product that is, well, super.' It's also interesting that Sony and AT&T also appear to be working on superphones of their own."

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Easily explainable: Nokia (0, Flamebait)

InterestingFella (2537066) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550184)

Nokia has been preparing their Windows Phone 7 line-up. Their Nokia Lumia smart phone [nokia.co.uk] has beat sales in many European countries and Australia in December and November, even topping iPhone and every Android phone. It is also a very solid offering. I think both Microsoft and Nokia did the right to go together. Great hardware from Nokia and great software from Microsoft. That combination is pure gold.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (4, Insightful)

oPless (63249) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550222)

Winphone 7 isn't *that* good.

However ... It's a good start considering they wiped the Windows CE slate clean and implemented XNA and Silverlight on a decent minimum-specced hardware base.

It's still *very* immature, considering the polish of its competitors.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (1, Interesting)

InterestingFella (2537066) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550284)

Honestly, I can't think of anything that would immature about it.. In fact, especially the UI is great once you've tried it. Easily beats Android and even iPhone too.

Also, development on WP7 phones is ridiculously easy, as you point out. I'm more than happy that Nokia finally dropped Symbian, which was a *major* pain in the ass to even set up development environment for. XNA, Silverlight etc make it ridiculously easy to do apps for WP7.

Only bad thing about WP7 is that you can't run apps outside markets as easily as with old Windows Mobile's. It really sucks. But it's something iPhone and Android mandated, so blame is on them.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38550472)

Please get a real job. I'd be interested to know how much Microsoft pay you though. I mean, you are paid right? If you're doing this for free you really need a life.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (-1, Offtopic)

InterestingFella (2537066) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550488)

Around 250k per year.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38550572)

Do you actually believe what you say?

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (-1, Troll)

InterestingFella (2537066) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550724)

Yes, they are my opinions (no I don't work for anyone, nor do I get 250k year)

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (5, Informative)

Pax681 (1002592) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550744)

Only bad thing about WP7 is that you can't run apps outside markets as easily as with old Windows Mobile's. It really sucks. But it's something iPhone and Android mandated, so blame is on them.

Erm.. android? erm... no there is a nice simple setting where you can chose to install things not from the official android market, there are also other markets such as the app brain market for android.... so yer kinda of .. well way off the mark

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (2)

oPless (63249) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550872)

Honestly, I can't think of anything that would immature about it.. In fact, especially the UI is great once you've tried it. Easily beats Android and even iPhone too.

Seriously? Have you either of the other devices?

Also, development on WP7 phones is ridiculously easy, as you point out. I'm more than happy that Nokia finally dropped Symbian, which was a *major* pain in the ass to even set up development environment for. XNA, Silverlight etc make it ridiculously easy to do apps for WP7.

Agreed. Compared to Symbian, XNA/Silverlight is amazing :)

Only bad thing about WP7 is that you can't run apps outside markets as easily as with old Windows Mobile's. It really sucks. But it's something iPhone and Android mandated, so blame is on them.

Not the *only* thing, but I'm not going to enumerate them, as it's likely to be a waste of time. I am surprised you didn't mention that Microsoft has blessed a jailbreak/sideloader http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2011/11/official-windows-phone-7-jailbreak-now-live-for-a-fee/ [gizmodo.co.uk]

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (0, Troll)

trum4n (982031) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550670)

As an Android user, i can tell you without a doubt, Android has no polish.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550840)

I like Android, I think it's good, I've been using it for the past year. I used an iPhone for the previous year or so.

I don't think there is any question that on things like graphics and UI issues, iOS is more polished. Apple is very good at the user experience.

Android is a good balance. My android phone has more options, more customizability. I used a Blackberry before this, and it really took the cake on options/customizability (to the point of confusion, often).

Android has strengths and weaknesses, polish is one of the weaknesses.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (-1, Troll)

trum4n (982031) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551042)

All my Android phone has ever done is crash. And i still rather use it than iOS. My personal opinion is iOS was written by evil professionals, and Android was written by well meaning 12 year olds. It's a great operating system, horribly implemented. When i had to root and install a cooked rom just to get the camera to take more than 2 pictures in a row, there is a problem. GPS broke 2nd day i had it, but thats samsungs fault.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551176)

\When i had to root and install a cooked rom just to get the camera to take more than 2 pictures in a row, there is a problem.

Yes, there is. Return your phone to the manufacturer and get a brand new one for free. No need to flash your ROM to take two pictures without crashing.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (1)

oPless (63249) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550898)

*snigger*

It does have a certain amount of polish, things have certainly improved since Android 1.6.

I do get what you mean though.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (1)

CynicTheHedgehog (261139) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551000)

Depends on your phone. I bought an HTC a while ago (my first smartphone) and thought it was pretty neat. I was surprised at how much different other Android phones were when I compared them, particularly the lack of consistency between the various apps. (HTC includes their own media player, mail, calendar, etc. so it all looks the same throughout.) I have a few gripes with my phone, but on the whole I'm very satisfied with it.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (5, Insightful)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550230)

Nice astroturf. Too bad it hasn't much to do with TFA, but then again neither does the summary. Which can be be summarized as

How exciting.

(Sarcasm in the TFA)

It's a hyperbolic expansion of a marketing blurb that in essence, means absolutely nothing except to perhaps cement "superphone" as the next idiotic buzzword in this segment.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (1, Funny)

hedwards (940851) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550856)

No, I think superphone is just about right. The only thing that prevented their desktops from being superdesktops was that most people aren't strong enough to send them sailing across the room after the umpteenth random CTD or other error.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38550232)

"great software from Microsoft."

My inner geek is not making a sarcastic comment.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (2, Funny)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550258)

You have a strong stomach. I think I threw up in the back of my mouth.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38550486)

One word:

Astroturf.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38550688)

Translation: "I hate microsoft so everyone must hate them too"

Or the alternative one "Cmon.. look at his post.. you really think someone can have that opinion? People are supposed to hate microsoft !"

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38550736)

right, because this is slashdot, where everyone knows that microsoft is worse than hitler, china is less evil than america, and every year is finally the year linux is going to break through to the desktop. ............and then you wake up in in your bunkbed in moms basement, and reality creeps in.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (5, Informative)

mrclisdue (1321513) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550530)

This obvious troll is obvious has gotten out of hand.

Seriously, it would be wonderful, just once, for InterestingInsightbitesCmdPony et al ad infinitum to STFU, and perhaps enter the fray once the discussion begins, rather than rushing to be the first post with all the ms tripe.

Ducks, "great software" from Microsoft, google sucks, etc.

All just pure bullshit and astroturf.

With the added bonus of modding oneself up, with who-knows-how-many aliases, and modding anyone who points out the obvious troll, down.

Really, it would be nice to, just once, to read a discussion that isn't anchored by some preselected MS astroturf.

cheers,

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (-1, Redundant)

InterestingFella (2537066) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550566)

If you have something to argue about me points, please do so. Otherwise you're just mindlessly attacking. Try using WP7.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38550706)

If you have something to argue about me points, please do so. Otherwise you're just mindlessly attacking. Try using WP7.

I would if I could find one ;-)

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (-1, Troll)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550614)

Ducks, "great software" from Microsoft, google sucks, etc

If you cant recognize that Microsoft has made SOME great products, then youre either ignorant or a fanboy, and probably both. Examples: Exchange, Outlook, Excel, Visio (FINALLY there is a worthy competitor in Gliffy), Win7 (Hows gnome3 / Unity treating you?), etc.

Im just not sold on the whole Phone 7. Minimal isnt something MS does well; most of their products include the kitchen sink.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38550692)

Oh please, the only people complainging about gnome3/unity are ignorant dickheads that dislike change - don't like it, don't use it. The same thing went on with kde4, and look where is it now.

Also, nothings sucks more than outlook.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (1)

InterestingFella (2537066) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550756)

Outlook is actually good software if you need email + calendar. I really haven't found anything as good. The Bat! [ritlabs.com] sure comes as close and is lightweight as hell, but it just doesn't have the same integration and feel either. It's the best try so far, at least.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (4, Interesting)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550728)

Define "great products".

I'll remind you that each of the products you cite had competition, until Microsoft used their monopolistic advantages to squash that competition.

If, in truth, Microsoft has any "great products", the competitor's products were sometimes greater. It sucks to be deprived of those products, just because Microsoft had the influence to crush them. Look at the close call we had with Java. Imagine a world in which the only surviving JVM was Microsoft's own version.

Those people who define "great products" as those products promoted by the most successful mega corporations would certainly agree with you that Microsoft has a lot of great products. Those of us who define "great products" differently will continue to disagree with you.

oh please, child. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551142)

You'd turn right around and use "great products" for anything Linux based if it suited advancing your pet OS. The thing is you absolutely can't fathom that anyone would dare like a MS product, and it rankles you to the core. You know the type of personality you have? It's very similar to religious fundamentalists. You're no different than a Muslim, or a Baptist. The only difference between you and them is your religion is computers.,

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (2, Informative)

mrclisdue (1321513) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550760)

If you cant recognize that Microsoft has made SOME great products, then youre either ignorant or a fanboy, and probably both. Examples: Exchange, Outlook, Excel, Visio (FINALLY there is a worthy competitor in Gliffy),

Win7 (Hows gnome3 / Unity treating you?), etc.

Nice try.

So I'm either ignorant or a fanboy? How's about neither. Try realist. I don't recall saying that MS has made NO great products. The same way I didn't say I hated ducks. But keep demonstrating where your level of comprehension is, and perhaps I can dumb my posts down (even more) for you.

Gnome/Unity? Seriously? Fluxbox, ftw.

Keep flaming, tho. Looks good on you.

cheers,

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (2)

kwark (512736) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550776)

Outlook! That is the absolute worst MUA ever. It's defaults and broken replies have ruined email forever resulting in everybody using TOFU messages to make any discussion/question for more than just 1 point per email impossible.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (1)

LordThyGod (1465887) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551130)

Don't forget the web variant, OWA. "Shit" is too kind of a word.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (1, Interesting)

0ld_d0g (923931) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550708)

Ducks, "great software" from Microsoft, google sucks, etc.

All just pure bullshit and astroturf.

Please explain why you want to forbid someone from having a positive opinion about microsoft products?

I use their compilers daily and couldn't be more happier. Its my opinion that their developer tools are superior to everything else that I've used.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (2)

mrclisdue (1321513) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550916)

Please explain why you want to forbid someone from having a positive opinion about microsoft products?

I use their compilers daily and couldn't be more happier. Its my opinion that their developer tools are superior to everything else that I've used.

Only if you explain where I said I wanted to forbid anyone from having any opinion about anything.

The portion you've quoted is an example of the general tone of the OP's numerous first posts; it's bullshit because it's constant, persistent, and ultimately exasperating, not because it's necessarily untrue or exaggerated.

Perhaps, rather than "setting the stage", and anchoring every discussion each and every time there's a chance to promote MS and/or dis anyone but MS (google, linux, geese), our wizard can hold off and enter once the discussion has begun. Methinks his "points" may not stand much of a chance, once the tone of the discussion is set by someone else.

cheers,

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (0)

0ld_d0g (923931) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550986)

Only if you explain where I said I wanted to forbid anyone from having any opinion about anything.

Thats easy, but maybe you don't understand what you have written yourself.

This obvious troll is obvious has gotten out of hand.

No, its not obvious to me at all. Also.. you use "gotten out of hand" - implying some vague notion of something that should be brought back to normalcy.

Seriously, it would be wonderful, just once, for InterestingInsightbitesCmdPony et al ad infinitum to STFU, and perhaps enter the fray once the discussion begins, rather than rushing to be the first post with all the ms tripe.

Implying that you would rather not see their posts.

Really, it would be nice to, just once, to read a discussion that isn't anchored by some preselected MS astroturf.

Again.. implying that you do not want to read their posts. And also an insulting accusation about the poster getting paid without you having or sharing any proof .

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551038)

I use their compilers daily and couldn't be more happier.

Seriously? Have you actually measured the performance difference between the Intel compiler and VC++ recently? Have you actually looked at the code generation in VC++ versus g++ these days? Pretty much every compiler out there (with the exception of borland) wipes the floor with the MS compilers in each and every possible metric. It is fair to say that installing the Intel compiler would make you a *MUCH* happier developer.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551138)

*shakes head*

slashdot has degenerated into this ape-like group mentality where intellectual dissent results in questions regarding the holders integrity, intellect, and right to express themselves.

continue your idiotic attempts to quash anything resembling a threatening idea, and soon you'll all just be high-fiving each other by yourselves while reality presents you with an ever-lengthening list of things for you to bitch about en-masse.

grow the fuck up, develop a sense of intellectual individuality, and stop swinging from each others nuts. stop being a ragtag group of fuckup me-too!s and dare to think. thats what the wasted organ in your head is meant for, you know.

>Really, it would be nice to, just once, to read a discussion that isn't anchored by some preselected MS astroturf.

no, it would be nice if the reflexive microsoft demonizers could find something better to do with their lives than fight a losing ideological battle by taking almost every slashdot discussion hostage with their trolling claims of shillery and astroturfing. it would be nice if you ever backed up any inflammatory statement with even a semblance of impartial data, or better yet, presented respectful arguments supported by solid data.

"cheers" indeed. I hope 2012 brings you a throught-process renaissance

Time for a new handle, shill (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38550558)

Also have a happy new year knowing you have no morals.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (2)

LordThyGod (1465887) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550562)

Oh please. I just read a survey that 2% of Europeans are even considering Nokia / MS. It is and was DOA.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (1)

v(*_*)vvvv (233078) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550602)

Is this phone cheaper? Who is buying this phone? Who is selling this phone to whom and how?

Early Android sales was much about competitors "getting something comparable to an iphone to sell" as it was about consumers "getting something comparable to an iphone on their network".

One cannot just look at product to explain sales.

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38550774)

Nokia has been preparing their Windows Phone 7 line-up. Their Nokia Lumia smart phone [nokia.co.uk] has beat sales in many European countries and Australia in December and November, even topping iPhone and every Android phone. It is also a very solid offering. I think both Microsoft and Nokia did the right to go together. Great hardware from Nokia and great software from Microsoft. That combination is pure gold.

You silly little WP troll. The Lumina 800 has been a flop in Europe and it'll also be a flop in the US joining the list of all other WP7 flops that have come before it.

Here's The Guardian's review of the Lumina:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2011/dec/30/nokia-lumia-800-goodbye?newsfeed=true

Re:Easily explainable: Nokia (2)

kurt555gs (309278) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551044)

The Lumina 800 is made of parts recycled from the N9 (which is a "super phone"). Except for the processor (ARM - N9 Snapdragon - Lumina ) it uses the same case, glass, and most of the internals. I don't know if the front facing camera that the N9 has is just missing, or if WP7 just can't handle two cameras.

Nokia would have been better off sticking with Maemo (the N9 is not really MeeGo). It is truly beautiful.

On a side note, does anyone know if Microsoft got copy and paste working on WP7? Or have they fixed the WiFi so it can connect other than DHCP?

I bought an N9 for my phone collection. It's smoothness and functionality is much more than I expected. It could have been the next iPhone.

Really.

Super (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38550212)

I expect a Super cool bluescreen on that phone!

"super" being (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38550236)

Windows phone 8

Will it a be world 4g / 3g phone with GSM / CDMA (3, Interesting)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550248)

one phone for all bands? so you can get the phone and use it on any network with have to buy a ATT or sprint one like the iphone. No having the phone locked to the carrier you choose.

Re:Will it a be world 4g / 3g phone with GSM / CDM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38550656)

I think the specific sub-points under the "Superphone" bulletpoint are:

  1. Superphone:
    1. Make a more betterer phone than Apple.
    2. Make a more betterer phone than Android phones.
    3. [DETAILS FILLED IN LATER]
    4. Stop Nokia from making Linux or otherwise non-Microsoft phones.
    5. You guys, Microsoft is so awesome, seriously.
    6. We're winning this.

Re:Will it a be world 4g / 3g phone with GSM / CDM (1)

Deorus (811828) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550794)

one phone for all bands? so you can get the phone and use it on any network with have to buy a ATT or sprint one like the iphone. No having the phone locked to the carrier you choose.

My iPhone 4S works with any carrier...

Re:Will it a be world 4g / 3g phone with GSM / CDM (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550860)

Are you certain about that? I would think that for a phone to be GSM and CDMA it would need to have hardware for both on board... doesn't seem like a very cost effective way to manufacture. Interesting...

Re:Will it a be world 4g / 3g phone with GSM / CDM (1)

zach_the_lizard (1317619) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550960)

Perhaps the savings of not having to deal with multiple phone models outweighs the costs of including hardware for multiple bands? I don't know, but this is a guess.

This is stupid (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38550252)

Microsoft's recent track record is shit. Why are you faggots sitting around talking about vaporware from next year when you could probably get laid tonight if you'd wash your clothes and take a shower.

Re:This is stupid (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38550298)

Microsoft's recent track record is shit. Why are you faggots sitting around talking about vaporware from next year when you could probably get laid tonight if you'd wash your clothes and take a shower.

Showered ... check.

Clothes in washer ... check.

Got laid tonight ... check.

Baiting Trolls on the internet whilst keeping an eye on drunken teenagers ... check.

Your point being?

Re:This is stupid (1)

Collapsing Empire (1268240) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550412)

Got laid tonight ... check.

Cool story bro.

Re:This is stupid (1)

Slutticus (1237534) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550828)

Especially since it's 11:42am by his post.

In response, the Android vendors... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38550256)

... are planning their next-gen OS called "Kryptonite".

Your move, Microsoft. And no, "Batman" doesn't count.

Like xbox (2)

lucm (889690) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550266)

Microsoft has deep pockets and is not shy to use them to support a money pit until it becomes a success (like the xbox). Maybe this phone thing will be a success, but I hope they will come up with something better than Windows CE which, as a developer, was painful to work with.

Re:Like xbox (1)

oPless (63249) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550332)

You realise WP7 is still WinCE but with a nice-ish managed UX layer.

No native stuff tho, so no Unity3D stuff. http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/38561/Unity_Engine_Not_Coming_To_Windows_Phone_7.php [gamasutra.com]

Re:Like xbox (5, Funny)

florin (2243) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550544)

Yes but the Superphone will go further than that. It will channel the qualities of all the Microsoft mobile products we've come to know and love over the years, like Pen Windows, the Pocket PC, Tablet PC, Windows Mobile, the Zune, the Courier, the Kin, and yes of course Windows CE!

Err ok maybe most people didn't exactly love them. Or know them, for that matter.

Re:Like xbox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38550796)

Maybe the design will be just like the Zune, something I have never seen yet.

Re:Like xbox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38550810)

When Google called the Nexus One a Superphone a few years ago everyone laughed at them calling it this ... but if Micro$soft calls theirs one ... it's heaven sent. *rolls eyes* Maybe Microsoft should fix the hacking issues with FIFA 2012 on XBL first. That would rock. Just love it when accounts get hacked and CC info is leaked. I'd never use a Windows phone for this reason along .. Microsoft's security is crap. Always has been and always will be.

Re:Like xbox (3, Funny)

root_42 (103434) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550980)

You forgot Bob.

Re:Like xbox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551090)

and Clippy

Re:Like xbox (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550792)

Microsoft has deep pockets and is not shy to use them to support a money pit until it becomes a success (like the xbox). Maybe this phone thing will be a success, but I hope they will come up with something better than Windows CE which, as a developer, was painful to work with.

I'll see your X-Box and raise you a Zune.

Good grief... (1, Troll)

QuietLagoon (813062) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550296)

More pre-release Microsoft hype about a vapor product that is going to change the world. What ever happened to Windows Phone 7 changing the world? Remember Windows Phone 7? Neither do I.

Re:Good grief... (5, Funny)

strength_of_10_men (967050) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550402)

I'm no MS basher, but seriously, their "roadmap" [speedymirror.com] if at all authentic, is embarrassingly redolent of this:

Step 1: Release new OS/Phone
Step 2: Sell in more markets
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit!

Seriously. The graphic is almost literally like that

Re:Good grief... (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550878)

Mango, last holiday season, was supposed to take WP7 and make it really good. I'm not sure if it has - I have never used one of their phones. By most accounts they have a pretty decent product, but no way into a market that isn't very interested in another mobile OS.

Bleh.. (1)

wbr1 (2538558) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550328)

It's only super till the next big thing arrives.

Microsoft's corporate culture = mediocrity. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38550342)

Microsoft reminds me of General Motors.

The capability of both companies is immense, yet due to various internal
influences, both companies have an overwhelming tendency to produce
things which are mediocre at best and outright repulsive when compared
to alternative choices, this with distressing regularity.

Microsoft could produce an amazing phone, but it will suck in ways which
matter to smart users, who won't want to use it, much less buy it. Just
wait and see.

Re:Microsoft's corporate culture = mediocrity. (2)

man_of_mr_e (217855) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550546)

Indeed, Microsoft could produce an amazing *anything*, but they are hobbled by their own situation.

When it comes to a phone, unless they go the route of the XBox, where they build it themselves, there is no way to keep it secret when so many other vendors have to have access to the plans to get their own version out. Thus, companies like Apple and Google can move faster and mitigate any new or innovative features said phone might actually have.

Re:Microsoft's corporate culture = mediocrity. (2)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550862)

Indeed, Microsoft could produce an amazing *anything*, but they are hobbled by their own situation.

It always amazes me that some people still believe Microsoft is just chock full o' amazing ideas that would overwhelm the world - if ONLY their corporate culture didn't get in the way.

There's simply no evidence for this. Microsoft has done very little innovation - most of their successful products have resulted form iterative fine-tuning on ideas that originated elsewhere (e.g. Windows, Office). They've done this very well at times... but it's not innovative in the least.

Superphones? Cheap is the answer for them... (1)

Xeranar (2029624) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550350)

iPhones are a commodity with a certain amount of cache, it will eventually collapse. Android is the reasonably priced alternative used by the masses. Unless MS can come in with phones at half the price of Android phones with all the features this will be a two pony race for some time. As Android and Chrome grow though I suspect it could eventually eat into the Windows market which is the biggest strength that MS has for making Windows mobile viable. Of course this is all speculation and at best conjecture. Things will play out with time, one thing is certain though is that Android will take 50% of the market alone and eventually start eating Apple's lunch if MS can't compete.

Re:Superphones? Cheap is the answer for them... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38550780)

Plenty of people I know who cheaped out and got Android phones hate them and can't wait to replace them with iPhones.

And no, the standard neckbeard reply of, "Just root it and install a custom ROM!" is not going to fly with these people.

All Microssoft Phones are super in their own way (4, Insightful)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550424)

I dont think there's been a single other player out there who can stand to compete against Microsoft in it's ability to generate huge amounts of press and fanfare in unreleased products that ultimately become unparalleled market failures.

Frankly, Microsoft would do well to take a note from Apple's playbook and SHUT THE FUCK UP about the product until it's release instead of blathering like a spastic child about it's vaporware, leaking feature after feature and allowing the competition to catch up or even surpass it's abilities before the product is even launched.

Re:All Microssoft Phones are super in their own wa (1)

msobkow (48369) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550734)

It's a coin toss. Do you want companies telling you what they're trying to do so you can prepare for changes, or do you want to be broadsided by a truly innovative product developed in secure isolation?

I'd argue that if a company is working on something truly revolutionary, it's there obligation to let others know about it so they can issue the layoff notices before having their lunch eaten. :p

Re:All Microssoft Phones are super in their own wa (1)

LordThyGod (1465887) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550932)

I dont think there's been a single other player out there who can stand to compete against Microsoft in it's ability to generate huge amounts of press and fanfare in unreleased products that ultimately become unparalleled market failures.

Frankly, Microsoft would do well to take a note from Apple's playbook and SHUT THE FUCK UP about the product until it's release instead of blathering like a spastic child about it's vaporware, leaking feature after feature and allowing the competition to catch up or even surpass it's abilities before the product is even launched.

They don't have much else to talk about. Their sales suck. They are years behind the curve on most features that people want. Nobody cares (except MS employees, shills and bloggers), and the new UI is not doing a friggin thing for them. If that new UI has the same effect when it comes to the desktop, they will have even bigger problems. Its pretty tough for them to try to be in that market and get your ass kicked day in and day out. To have any hope of being a respected player, all they can do is talk. As pitiful as it sounds, it still seems to generate some press.

What a Microsoft Superphone Might Mean (4, Insightful)

jmitchel!jmitchel.co (254506) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550426)

Fuck all.

Compete with Apple? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38550456)

The #1 smartphone OS is Android. MS would be competing with Android (Google), not Apple. I mean yeah, they'd also be competing with Apple, but Apple is just a bit player in the market now.

Re:Compete with Apple? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38550994)

you might be correct but the iPhone is the standard by which all other phones are measured.
Even if you hate Apple with a vengance, you should be able to admit that the release of the iPhone shook up the market in a bit way.
That in itself spurred Google on to make radical changes to Android thus giving birth to the Android we know it today.
If Apple had not entered the market the smartphone market would be very different from what it is today.

finally, even if Apple is a bit player then selling 30M+ Smartphones Phones a year is the sort of business that Nokia would give their eye teeth for at the moment.
 

The "Super" Hype (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38550470)

So next year the all hype is going ot be around the word "super" instaed of "cloud"?

***YAWN***

Can I make phone calls with it? (1)

dutchwhizzman (817898) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550478)

Because most of modern smart phones seem to be lacking in that department. My 10 year old nokia has better reception, better sound quality, longer battery life and doesn't shatter when I drop it by accident. To me, a superphone would at least be able to do this. Any added features that do not take away one of the previous named, is a benefit, but not required.

How's the phone business going, Microsoft? (1)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550496)

We're super, thanks for asking.

probably based on Windows 8 ARM - Windows Phone 8 (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550508)

so that "superphone" means they will have something which supports today's hardware sometime in 2013. Remember, "super" can be a relative term and in this case it means it'll be better than the previous versions of Windows Phone( 7.x). There's little doubt that by 2013, both iOS and Android will be super duper phones compared to this Microsoft superphone.

OT: is a Windows Phone based phone called a Windows Phone phone? Android based phones are called Android phones.

LoB

Re:probably based on Windows 8 ARM - Windows Phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551106)

Good point. From now on they are "Windows Phone phones".

Superphone? I'll wait for (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38550536)

the competition to deliver something better, like a Megaphone!

How retro (1)

LordThyGod (1465887) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550542)

Next years winphone looks a lot like last years Android phone. This is indeed great progress, but too little too late to matter.

Too late. (4, Interesting)

jtownatpunk.net (245670) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550594)

I was a Windows guy for portable stuff for many years because they were usually the first to market with the "killer apps" that I needed. (Apps not necessarily meaning applications but also features.) Honestly, M$-based PDAs had some killer features back in the day. But what they've got on the phone market now is a joke. They're a distant third these days. One or two phones per carrier, some still on 6.5 which is 2 years old now. Verizon doesn't even have a 4G WinMo smartphone. It's pretty pathetic. Apple's nice but they've always been behind the curve in connectivity. Last OS to get tethering, still don't have 4G, etc. Android's been at the cutting edge for a while now and, unless they totally drop the ball, it will be hard to pull existing customers away from the platform.

I made the switch a couple weeks ago and haven't looked back. It doesn't really matter to me what Microsoft puts out in the next few years because I don't think they'll be able to catch up, let alone regain the lead. The only hope they have is to go after business clients with cloud computing, workstation docks, etc. Of course, they'd still be playing catchup to Android. Already got laptop and desktop docks for Android phones along with google docs to work on your documents from any device.

No Monopoly, No Success (5, Interesting)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550598)

It's fascinating to watch Microsoft fail in market after market where it didn't start with a monopoly, like in mobile devices generally, phones specifically, tablets specifically, media generally, mobile media players specifically, and everything else.

Except for mouse and keyboard, and in games both console and PC. Why are those different from the rest? Maybe because mouse and keyboard are just extensions of the Windows brand monopoly on the desktop, with no real brand competition whatsoever. And maybe in games the competitors each have their own monopolies, and the competition is the kind Microsoft likes: based on spending a lot of money and running a corrupt supply chain / marketing system rather than on quality.

Re:No Monopoly, No Success (2)

Animats (122034) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550658)

It's fascinating to watch Microsoft fail in market after market where it didn't start with a monopoly.

Like game consoles?

Re:No Monopoly, No Success (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550748)

Except for mouse and keyboard, and in games both console and PC.

Re:No Monopoly, No Success (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38550772)

It's fascinating to watch Microsoft fail in market after market where it didn't start with a monopoly.

Like game consoles?

Did you even read what you replied to?

"It's fascinating to watch Microsoft fail in market after market where it didn't start with a monopoly... Except for mouse and keyboard, and in games both console and PC." (emphasis added)

Re:No Monopoly, No Success (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38550858)

The Xbox is in second place. When this gen is over they'll be in third place. So, yeah, game consoles too.

Re:No Monopoly, No Success (1)

0ld_d0g (923931) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550924)

I'm curious.. how do you start with a monopoly? Is there some hidden gem that you need to acquire that makes you go from 0% market share to 90+?

SQL Server, MSVC tools, .NET, etc, are all non-monopolies and are all high quality software products.

The main problem with microsoft is that they are cowards and the middle management is filled with people that should be fired ASAP. They only look at business markets when someone else has spent capital to create a billion dollar market and thus allowing some douchebag executive at MS to get the greenlight for funding. They have world-class engineers wasting their time on stupid shit.. its quite embarrassing IMHO

Re:No Monopoly, No Success (3, Insightful)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551122)

You start with a monopoly by making a deal with IBM as it introduces its first PC, requiring all IBM PCs to run your OS (but letting you license your OS to any competitor to IBM that might arise). I don't know how you missed that - it's pretty common knowledge. In fact it was a Supreme Court decision, if there were any doubt.

MSVC tools and .NET are extensions of the MS monopoly.

SQL Server gained its market share by making a deal similar to the IBM one with Sybase, though MS in that case literally copied Sybase and then used its business SW monopoly to kill first Sybase, then nearly all its other competitors. SQL Server is an interesting example, because it has gained market share not only through its business SW monopoly, but extended that monopoly through actual innovation and quality. But also through the synergy with its business SW monopoly and its developer market share that it gained through that monopoly.

The rest of what you say about MS is true. It's a symptom of its monopoly advantages. In fact MS benefits from sitting on good developers, even if it doesn't get better products from them, by denying them to the competition. More monopoly strategies.

The main problem with Microsoft is that they have abused their monopoly power to clog the innovation with anti-competitive software and market strategies for decades. Their crap software dominating through monopoly and other unfair competition is deadweight that has divided and slowed personal technology, and saddled it with all kinds of legacies that benefit no one but Microsoft.

A real superphone (1)

Animats (122034) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550782)

A "superphone" should be super strong. It should be able to handle being run over by a car, immersion in water, and falling off a building.

Like the Sonim XP3, the Kyocera KX12, and the Casio Ravine phones, all of which can do that. Those thin black plastic things, not rigid enough to survive and not flexible enough to bend when necessary, aren't "super".

Another thing a "superphone" should have is fallback to Iridium satellite links. None of this "no service" crap.

Supermodels - ha! Nothing super about them. Spoiled, stupid little stick-figures with poofy lips who think only about themselves. I used to design for GODS!

That "leaked" roadmap... (3, Interesting)

Slutticus (1237534) | more than 2 years ago | (#38550850)

That "leaked" roadmap is what Steve Ballmer get's paid billions of dollars to shit out quarter after quarter. *sigh* I hate my job....

Zune? (2)

Moof123 (1292134) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551004)

Didn't we hear the same crap about the Zune over the iPod a few years back? Big hat, no cattle.

Historically.... (1)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551036)

- Exciting features delivered with disappointment
- Revolutionary change followed by a miserable user experience
- Energetic marketing strategy followed up with monotonous patching and bugfixes
- missed boats and opportunities
- stale product model
- lotta' MEH

unifying windows kernel and api (4, Interesting)

asa (33102) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551076)

Here's my take. I think Microsoft wants to unify their operating systems.

Windows Phone was the first "Metro" experience, but it runs on an old CE kernel and the stack above that is Silverlight (and XNA). Metro is huge. It's the first really new user interface Microsoft's shipped since Windows 95. Metro makes classic Windows and even iPhone and Android feel ancient -- the same old square icons on a desktop we've all been using for the last several decades.

Windows 8 brings Metro to the desktop, laptop, and tablet world. This world, though, is built on the NT kernel, with the WinRT API above that. Sure, you can build Silverlight-like apps in Windows 8 Metro, it might even be trivial to port your WP app to Windows 8 Metro, but you can't easily go the other way.

So, what can Microsoft do about this? Well, it's easy, move Windows Phone onto the NT kernel, and carry over the bulk of the WinRT API. This would make developing your Windows app for any form factor, from desktops to phones, a very easy task. Throw in some nice Visual Studio and Blend templates for re-shaping your app to fit the various form factors, and you've got something really compelling.

The problem with that? Well, today's Windows Phone hardware probably isn't sufficient to drive an NT+WinRT OS. Enter "Superphones."

Superphones, I'm guessing, are the first generation of Windows Phone that run on the NT kernel and support the WinRT (or at least enough of it for most apps.) Note the Apollo release timing is not far from the expected Windows 8 release. Put that together with the recent news that the Windows Phone chief was put in charge of a "a new role working for me on a time-critical opportunity focused on driving maximum impact in 2012 with Windows Phone and Windows 8", and there might be something to this.

So, what do you all think. Am I crazy? Would "same API" across all devices be a worthy Microsoft goal? An achievable one? And what about X-box? Could Microsoft pull off the hat-trick, and unify all of their major platforms under a Metro front end? No doubt that's a tall order, and there are three CPU architectures to deal with. But Microsoft is a big and wealthy company.

website is pseudo-community ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551094)

http://wmpoweruser.com/ looks like pseudo "theres an windows phone user community" site.

Too much "windows wow" articles, from what I can see.

It'll be "embraced and extended" Android (0)

EmagGeek (574360) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551158)

Microsoft is going to steal Android, slap a Windows-like GUI on it, and call it a super phone.

It'll be awful, just like everything else Microsoft has ever made...

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