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Ford System Will Warn, Correct Lane-Drifting Drivers

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the please-be-safe-out-there dept.

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PolygamousRanchKid writes "Ford says its new Fusion, which will debut at the North American International Auto Show in a couple weeks, will be the first mainstream midsize sedan in North America to offer a lane departure system. Lane departure systems are aimed at warning drivers, especially drowsy ones, if their vehicles wander out of their lane. A digital camera mounted on the windshield ahead of the rear-view mirror keeps a watch. The system not only causes the steering wheel to vibrate if it senses an unintentional lane departure, it will also steer the car back into the right lane. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration estimates that 100,000 police-reported crashes occur every year as a result of drowsy drivers, leading to 1,500 deaths, 71,000 injuries and $12.5 billion in monetary losses." I'd just like to know how hard the AI will fight if it misinterprets a driver's intentional lane change.

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Turn signals are a good thing (5, Insightful)

EngrBohn (5364) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551340)

Personally, I'd guess that a turn signal will convince the AI to allow an intentional lane change.

Re:Turn signals are a good thing (5, Interesting)

newcastlejon (1483695) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551372)

I wonder if this system could be integrated with parking sensors, to prevent some instances of lane-changing when there's another vehicle in the blind spot.

re: indicators, I welcome anything that even gently enforces their use.

Re:Turn signals are a good thing (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551438)

re: indicators, I welcome anything that even gently enforces their use.

As do I. All these nut bags that refuse to use their signals are a danger on the road.

Re:Turn signals are a good thing (5, Funny)

sribe (304414) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551470)

As do I. All these nut bags that refuse to use their signals are a danger on the road.

Turn signals are dangerous. They provide your adversaries with advance notice of your intention; it's much better to take them by surprise. (I came to understand this when I lived in Boston.)

Re:Turn signals are a good thing (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551480)

I assume your talking about those assholes that speed up to block you the moment you put on your turn signal. I hate those mfckers.

Re:Turn signals are a good thing (1)

swalve (1980968) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551668)

I find it hard to believe that other drivers pay ANY attention to the other cars on the road, much less actively obstructing them. It's narcissism to think otherwise.

Re:Turn signals are a good thing (4, Insightful)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551800)

You haven't driven in the boston area, then.

If you want to get anywhere inside of route 495, you have to throw out almost everything know about safe driving. That knowledge is useless to you. You are in a battle. It is as important to move forward as it is to survive.

If you decide to visit boston, if it is your first visit, and it is raining or snowing or (especially) foggy, don't get on the roads.

Re:Turn signals are a good thing (5, Insightful)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551746)

I assume your talking about those assholes that speed up to block you the moment you put on your turn signal. I hate those mfckers.

Which is why this system would prevent my patented "drunk man behind the wheel" maneuver. Asshole does not want to respond your signal and let you in? Just start drifting over a little, correct, and then drift back more forcefully.

If they think you are lucid, they become aggressive. If they think you are having problems it is amazing how much distance they give you right away.

Of course, when I had a F350 raised up, everybody gave me room right away. I miss that beast.

P.S - Yes. I fully acknowledge that I am psychopath on the road, but then I view it as warfare just like the poster you replied to.

Re:Turn signals are a good thing (2)

Dripdry (1062282) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551982)

Couldn't agree more.

I do my best to be nice on the road, but I'm amazed that in Chicago people are fairly likely to let you in if you signal (hey, we gatta' getta' sasij ta duh frunchroom fer da Bears game!) whereas people in less urban areas seem genuinely oblivious or aggressively mean when it comes to traffic.

I've come to the conclusion that the best way to handle this is to simply act like I might be dangerous: drift a little, change speeds if necessary. Probably not good for the populace in general, but if that's what it takes to wake them up...

Re:Turn signals are a good thing (1)

dr2chase (653338) | more than 2 years ago | (#38552090)

Piecewise linear driving works for that, too.

Problem is, if I want to encourage people to ride their bicycles instead, making them think the road is full of drunks is not going to help.

Re:Turn signals are a good thing (2)

RicktheBrick (588466) | more than 2 years ago | (#38552076)

One is trying to do a right hand turn onto a four lane road. The car to your left has his right turn signal on. Do you assume the car is going to turn and proceed or do you assume that the car made a lane change and just forgot to turn the signal off? Your are in the left hand lane of a two lane freeway the car ahead of you is going 15 mph below the speed limit and has its right hand turn signal on. Do you wait to see if the car is actually going to change lanes or do you go to the right hand lane and pass the car on the right. You are walking across a busy road at an intersection. There is a truck on your right about to go through the intersection and it has its emergency flashers on but by glancing at it you only see the right hand turn signal on so you proceed and than run to avoid getting hit. It might be dangerous to turn your signal on but it is just a dangerous to forget to turn them off so if there are no cars that could use my signal than I will not turn it on.

Re:Turn signals are a good thing (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38552088)

Some car manufacturers don't put turn signals on their vehicles. BMW, Jaguar, Mercedes, and Cadillac come to mind. Most of these cars don't seem to have them built-in. But I do believe there is an aftermarket turn signal package because a few (very few) do have signals.

Re:Turn signals are a good thing (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551506)

Big problem in NJ then, where lane changes are apparently required every 100ft or so, and signal use is strictly prohibited.

Re:Turn signals are a good thing (1)

cvtan (752695) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551638)

This needs some additional explanation. Why is signal use prohibited?

Re:Turn signals are a good thing (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551702)

They prohibited turn signals so you wouldn't get the joke.

Re:Turn signals are a good thing (4, Interesting)

Macman408 (1308925) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551514)

In my car, yes, that is the case. Also, the torque applied to the steering wheel to keep you in your lane is pretty minimal; even grandma would have no trouble overpowering the motor to, say, make an emergency lane change to avoid an accident.

Re:Turn signals are a good thing (2)

The Grim Reefer (1162755) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551918)

In my car, yes, that is the case. Also, the torque applied to the steering wheel to keep you in your lane is pretty minimal; even grandma would have no trouble overpowering the motor to, say, make an emergency lane change to avoid an accident.

That's all well and good, until the Sontarans decide otherwise.

Re:Turn signals are a good thing (4, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551576)

I came here to say the exact same thing, the post is written in the window waiting for a submit button-press,

Then I realized that in some emergency situations, a lane change is absolutely required. Vibrating the steering wheel is ok, but if it's forcing you to move back to your lane, then this could cause accidents.

Winter (2)

dorix (414150) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551342)

What will it do in the winter when the clear tire tracks that are safe to follow aren't necessarily perfectly between the lines?

Re:Winter (1)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551362)

Then the camera won't be able to see the lines, now will it?

Re:Winter (5, Insightful)

tipo159 (1151047) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551486)

Then the camera won't be able to see the lines, now will it?

Do you spend much time driving in winter conditions? Sometimes two lanes in the direction of travel end up effectively reduced to one with the painted lane divider line clearly visible in the middle of the lane. Around curves, the position of the painted lane divider line will shift relative to the track of the lane of travel.

I can't imagine that there won't be a disable button for this feature for stuff like winter driving.

Re:Winter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551380)

In that case, the tire tracks will be the only lines that the camera will be able to see. If you can't see the lines, how can the camera?

Re:Winter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551462)

yeah but those lines are where the tires have to go to have any sort of actual traction. Not off to the side of your tires or vehicle.

Re:Winter (1)

ae1294 (1547521) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551578)

I wonder when the drunk driving patch will come out. Basically that's what ford is doing with this sort of system. If you can't stay awake while behind the wheel your ass shouldn't be driving.

More Crapware by Software "Engineers" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551354)

Just great. More crap-ware on my car, designed by a "Software Engineer", aka college/highschool drop out, who can string together some code.

If the system malfunctions I can't sue anybody, because it was provided "AS-IS" and "WITHOUT WARRANTY" or "FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE".

Gotta love software engineers. Want all of the titles and respect of regular engineers, but none of the responsibility or liability.

Re:More Crapware by Software "Engineers" (3, Insightful)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551412)

but none of the responsibility or liability.

sort of like, ohhh, I don't know - maybe posting as an AC ??

you'd be the expert on that, then.

My Prius (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551374)

already has Lane Keep Assist. It doesn't steer me back into the lane, but it does give me an annoying beep when it senses me leaving the lane. Personally, I'd much rather have my car alert me about this stuff and let me control the vehicle rather than have the vehicle do the stuff on its own.

Re:My Prius (-1, Flamebait)

hedwards (940851) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551616)

Given that you've purchased a Prius, I think it's a fair bet that the more the car does for you the better. Being unable to earn a driver's license seems to be the key to Prius ownership.

work zones / new pavement with out lines (4, Interesting)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551378)

In works zones some times you see lines all over the place will the AI be smart and auto trun off when it sees that?

Also on new pavement you see the temp lines that may not be picked up the AI.

`why not stop the car? (4, Informative)

MollyB (162595) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551400)

The idea that we should promote drowsy driving by making it (hypothetically) less fatal to do so is laughably absurd. Sometimes a driver needs to swerve to miss an accident occurring--no time to signal, so into the pileup we go? Hmm...

Re:`why not stop the car? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551428)

Because parking the car in the middle lane of the I-90 is more dangerous than waking up the driver.

Re:`why not stop the car? (2)

Garybaldy (1233166) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551478)

I would totally agree with you if said drivers only killed them selves off. Be gone with the idiots they are only dumbing down the human population as a whole. Unfortunately they have a habit of taking those with them who only had the misfortune of being in close proximity of the idiot.

Re:`why not stop the car? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551524)

Being in close proximity to idiots is not a survival trait.

Re:`why not stop the car? (1)

MollyB (162595) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551690)

After read tfa, I concede your and the AC's point. As bpjones [slashdot.org] sagely notes below, though, we need better design goals.

Re:`why not stop the car? (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551648)

I would agree with you, but I'm not sure that people who drive while drowsy are thinking rationally. It's something I avoid, but it's not always obvious until it's too late. And figuring out where exactly the line is isn't always easy. Really any technology that can prevent a drowsy driver from killing other people is something worth considering.

But, more than that, what needs to happen is for the consequences of drunk or drowsy driving to be aligned with similarly dangerous behavior out of the car. Around here there's talk of increasing the penalties to match what similarly dangerous behavior would warrant if a car weren't involved.

Re:`why not stop the car? (4, Insightful)

Delarth799 (1839672) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551680)

You fail to realize a great number of things and assume some really crazy ones. Your assuming the AI will take complete control of the steering and apply massive force not allowing for change. When in reality it will be almost certainly be a very gentle steer since it doesn't take much to correct some drifting. Also when you drift your not using your steering wheel to do it. Cars without perfectly aligned wheels drift one way or the other and slight curves in the road and other factors will also cause slight drifts as well, that's why you keep a hand on the wheel at all times. When you INTEND or NEED to change lanes you actually use the steering wheel so the people who designed this, which most people here seem to think are complete morons, probably were smart enough to design the AI so an application of a certain amount of turning power to one degree or another will stop it from vibrating and not trying to steer you back.

More of a distractionary feature. (-1)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551406)

If only Ford didn't go all Eurotrash and eviscerate anything American from their lineup, favoring globalized-to-hell golfcarts with fancy electronics as the mass market option.

It's a nice feature and all, but it seems to be more of a distraction from the lack of a proper, US-sized engine block under the hood than anything else.

Re:More of a distractionary feature. (4, Insightful)

Trepidity (597) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551484)

"Proper, US-sized engine blocks" aren't selling well, and when you consider the cost savings they'd forego if they didn't share parts between their US, European, and Asian lines, are even less cost-effective to sell.

At the expense of US specializations. (0)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551938)

What is supposedly gained in the part sharing is lost in the cars becoming bland and un-American - where you get told that you are not worthy of a car from your own country.

It'd be fine if you could just order a foreign market car, while the US keeps its home market vehicles large, US-sized, powered and priced for the masses.

Re:More of a distractionary feature. (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551530)

If only Ford didn't go all Eurotrash and eviscerate anything American from their lineup, favoring globalized-to-hell golfcarts with fancy electronics as the mass market option.

The USA's push for higher fuel efficiency requirements across a company's product line is having that effect.
More globalized-to-hell golfcarts is exactly what we'll get, because European gas taxes already created a market for small cars with small engines.

Re:More of a distractionary feature. (2)

ryanov (193048) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551534)

If only... then they'd still be circling the drain like they were before they made the change.

A "proper US-sized engine block" is a selfish and environmentally damaging pointless excess. Thankfully the sales figures these days appear to corroborate that.

Won't stop the Al Gores, but it reduces choice. (1)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551602)

It won't stop the Al Gores from driving even more offensive vehicles which have the proper-sized engine blocks. It reduces choice for the rest of us that live with environmentalists' overkill demands.

Re:More of a distractionary feature. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551542)

It's a nice feature and all, but it seems to be more of a distraction from the lack of a proper, US-sized engine block under the hood than anything else.

By US-sized do you mean built on tech from the seventies, and oversized because the car has to be large enough to qualify as a truck?

I'll never understand why Americans persist in trying to poke fun at other country's cars when their own are so inelegant and antiquated. You do it with food as well, this coming from the country that gave us "cheese" in a can.

Riddle me this: why are so many US makers in trouble whilst everyone is buying Japanese or European cars? Might it possibly be because people want to buy them?

US-sized in that you get more car for the dollar. (3, Funny)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551764)

Versus Europe and Asia, you get more car in the US, and it is built for the wide open spaces that frustrate golfcarts.

What is it with Europe and their hate on ordinary people having Detroit-like power under the hood, up to the point where people let V8 behemoths rot in garages for fear of taxes?

US cars are hardly inelegant or antiquated - they just weren't built with austerity, but built with pride. You don't see General Motors/Chrysler/Ford cars being blown up by terrorists; you see them use cheap-as-shit Toyotas, Hyundais, Mitsubishis, Peugeots, and other non-US cars that are made with no attention to quality or design.

The US made the mistake of allowing transplants in the door during the days of import quotas in the 1980's. That, and we haven't protected our manufacturers enough to keep US cars that are truly built with only a US audience in mind.

Re:US-sized in that you get more car for the dolla (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551922)

Wow, you actually posted that utter crap not as an AC?

Every. Single. Word you posted is trash. But if you are that dumb then an American shit pile IS for you!

Re:US-sized in that you get more car for the dolla (2, Funny)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 2 years ago | (#38552098)

Might be grating for your ears to hear that, Anonymous Coward, but if someone is willing to rig a car to blow up, the car isn't something that has any value to it. This usually means you have cars like those made from Japanese, Korean and austerity-minded European designs. Who's going to miss that golfcart when there are tons of others just as bad?

On the other hand, US cars don't have such affliction for having some actual quality and attention to detail not given to cars for developing nation markets.

Japan had its chance in the 1980's to overtake the US in large-car production. Once it went in the keicar/speed-limiter-by-gentleman's-agreement direction, it was forever lost.

Korea just chops up whatever designs are trendy and puts them in a legally-friendly-but-blatant copy of a package.

China just takes your designs.

Re:US-sized in that you get more car for the dolla (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38552026)

US automakers, set to their own devices, produced SUVs and muscle cars, and pretty much crap otherwise.

When oil was suddenly $100 per barrell, they couldn't sell them. Not very far sighted.

Your "Everything's bigger in Texas" attitude is just a bunch of "rah rah rah" and very little pragmatism or business sense (nor general empathy or social awareness).

While I do enjoy my sporty car, it's 2.0L flat-4 and the new models produce almost 240hp. It's not exactly a gas hog, and can accelerate at almost uncomfortable speed. I just don't understand why your average commuter even wants 300-500hp under the hood. That seems both dangerous and wasteful.

It's not that I don't agree that it's your right to be both dangerous and wasteful, but I believe you should pay dearly for doing so, so that the rest of us who are sensible don't have to clean up after you.

Re:More of a distractionary feature. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551568)

At least our cars can go around a corner without leaving 5,000 miles worth of rubber on the road ! :-)

Re:More of a distractionary feature. (2)

EmagGeek (574360) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551636)

You mean proper sized engine blocks like the 2.0L twin turbo that makes more torque at lower engine speed, and more power than most of the other engines in the lineup, and providing better fuel economy to boot?

Re:More of a distractionary feature. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551864)

Yup. Nice re-purposed chainsaw engine you have there.

5.0 litres +, or go home whus!

Re:More of a distractionary feature. (2)

plover (150551) | more than 2 years ago | (#38552014)

It's a nice feature and all, but it seems to be more of a distraction from the lack of a proper, US-sized engine block under the hood than anything else.

What, sheer mass makes an engine "better"? I'll put my EcoBoost V6 up against the old 385 V8 Big Block, just because it's about 2/3 the weight for the same HP. And that thing just purrs like a happy kitten. A finely tuned happy kitten.

Of course the car it's wrapped in still comes in at over 2 tons. :-( Still, it gets better than twice the mileage of the old land whales that used to have the 385 (when I'm not driving it like I stole it.) Yes, I'd rather have it in a Mustang than a Taurus, but that wasn't an option for us.

Sedans? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551408)

WTF is a sedan? Americans.

Re:Sedans? (4, Funny)

Trepidity (597) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551494)

A "sedan" in US English is what UKians call a "saloon car".

I'm not sure the UK wins less ridiculous name on this one, unless your saloon car also has swinging wooden doors, serves alcohol, and has several cowboys as passengers.

Bad Timing (1)

assertation (1255714) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551410)

Bad timing for that feature, after Toyotos troubles. People now know that steering wheels, accelerator pedals, brakes are just interfaces, not the actual "controls". I think many people would prefer for cars to be less automatic and give them more control from that perspective.

What happens when Ford, like Toyoto, outsources some component to a third party who fucks up? You are driving along one day when you car decides you aren't driving properly and decides to ram you into a tree.

Re:Bad Timing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551704)

What happens when Ford, like Toyoto, outsources some component to a third party who fucks up? You are driving along one day when you car decides you aren't driving properly and decides to ram you into a tree.

Naw, that'll be a Dodge not a Ford.

Re:Bad Timing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551728)

it's "toyota" not "toyoto"

Re:Bad Timing (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551786)

Automotive automatic driving machines exist, the problem is the danger caused by accidents with non-automated drivers that then sue and create wrongful death verdicts. If there's ever tort reform, automated driving will come quickly thereafter.

Re:Bad Timing (1)

aenea (34844) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551842)

It's already outsourced. Most of the electronics in cars comes from 3rd parties.

Bad timing for that feature, after Toyotos troubles. People now know that steering wheels, accelerator pedals, brakes are just interfaces, not the actual "controls". I think many people would prefer for cars to be less automatic and give them more control from that perspective.

What happens when Ford, like Toyoto, outsources some component to a third party who fucks up? You are driving along one day when you car decides you aren't driving properly and decides to ram you into a tree.

Is this a poor mans self driving car? (4, Interesting)

trout007 (975317) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551416)

So if I get on the highway can I set my cruise control and take my hands off the wheel?

Other people controlling your car? (1)

assertation (1255714) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551426)

I wonder what some of the sci-fi/big brother application of this technology might be.

Hackers/terrorists taking over cars on a major freeway to guide people to their deaths?

The police/government deciding they have a problem with you and then seizing control of your car while you are driving it?

Hmmm (2)

smpoole7 (1467717) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551448)

It's going to go hoarse here in Alabama.

When I first moved here and experienced my first traffic jam, I watched in amazement as the people drove over the median, onto sidewalks, around light poles and right on the edge of ditches.

Re:Hmmm (1)

Larryish (1215510) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551554)

True dat.

Here is Calhoun County, the state/county seems to think that "repaving the roads" means patching the potholes.

The little town I live in can afford to buy the cops brand new Dodge Chargers with all the fruit, but can't seem to repave the roads more often than once every 10 years.

Of course there is a mason lodge on every streetcorner, so what else can you expect?

Buick (3, Insightful)

Fnord666 (889225) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551456)

You would think Buick would be the first to come out with this in the US, given their customer demographic.

Re:Buick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551714)

Uh, no. You almost never see an accident where an elderly person fell asleep at the wheel. That is almost exclusively reserved for stupid 'as long as I drink Red Bull I can stay awake all night safely' types.

Too many qualifiers (1)

Macman408 (1308925) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551488)

My Prius already does this. But I guess maybe that's a "hatchback", not a "sedan". And admittedly, it's an option available only on the premium configuration, so there might be an argument to be made of whether it's "mainstream" or not. Or maybe they don't consider it a "midsize" vehicle; I hear it has the interior volume of a midsize, but a smaller wheelbase than many midsize cars. It is, at least, "North American", though.

Point being, every one of those qualifiers is there because somebody else really did it first. Not that I'm claiming the Prius did it first, mind you.

It is a nice feature though, and I hope a baby step towards self-driving cars.

Re:Too many qualifiers (2)

Trepidity (597) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551520)

Does the Prius actually keep you in the lane, or just warn if the car's drifting? If so, how close is it to a self-driving car, assuming freeway travel and no intersections; can you just take your hands off the wheel and let it auto-follow the lane?

Re:Too many qualifiers (3, Interesting)

benjamin_scarlet (99428) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551738)

The Prius Lane Keep Assist feature does steer a bit, gently - the wheel tends to drift toward it's best guess of the center of the lane. It won't drive for you, though: if you take your hands off the wheel it notices (I think it notices the absence of any applied torque over some reasonably short interval), sounds an alarm and turns off the feature.

smart cars lead to dumb drivers (3, Insightful)

pbjones (315127) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551500)

smart cars lead to dumb drivers. On good roads people drive faster, not better. In smart cars people will drive thinking they are safer and will take more risks. As nice as the idea is, the people that this system targets should not be driving.

Re:smart cars lead to dumb drivers (1)

ewieling (90662) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551544)

Drivers are already dumb. This simply helps reduce the number of people they kill.

Detecting intentional changes? Simple. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551518)

I'd just like to know how hard the AI will fight if it misinterprets a driver's intentional lane change.

Obviously if you're changing lanes intentionally you should indicate - always. So presumably the system has a simple "if indicating, ignore movement" check somewhere. So this should also prompt people to indicate when they're driving/overtaking, which is an added bonus.

More stuff to go wrong (2)

SuperTechnoNerd (964528) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551580)

Just give me an engine, 4 tires and a steering wheel.
Thanks

Re:More stuff to go wrong (1)

jjjhs (2009156) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551732)

Amen. More stuff to go wrong, more stuff to fix, higher price tags all around.

$125,000/Accident (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551584)

That seems a little steep. Porches must make their drivers very drowsy.

Re:$125,000/Accident (1)

rrossman2 (844318) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551834)

Damage to other property, vehicles, medical bills etc. It all adds up rather quick. (Not to mention increased insurance rates etc)

This isn't new (3)

comrade1 (748430) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551588)

This was an offer in an Audi Q5 we had built-to-order here in Switzerland. We put the order through three or four months ago for delivery in March. I put every safety feature possible in the car but the dealer told me not to keep this one because everyone ends up eventually turning it off.

Re:This isn't new (1)

comrade1 (748430) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551640)

Oh, wait. I just read that it will steer you back into the lane. Holy crap does that seem like a bad idea.

Re:This isn't new (1)

maxdread (1769548) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551814)

Seems like there might be times it simply freaks the driver out and makes them over correct the wrong direction.

No effing way I'm trusting my life to this... (3, Insightful)

EmagGeek (574360) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551600)

How long will it be before someone dies because a bug in the software caused their car to steer unexpectedly into something, or causing the driver to overcompensate (telling the computer "NO!"), causing a crash?

This has disaster written all over it.

Re:No effing way I'm trusting my life to this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38552072)

I know a little bit about the systems in the Infinity cars. Any input from the steering wheel overrides the computer. The system is able to monitor how well it is tracking the lanes. There is no auto correction when the system is not tracking well. There are some conditions that cause tracking difficulties so you can't depend completely upon the computer.

What about roads with no lanes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551650)

About 70% of the roads here in Puerto Rico have no lane marks due to lack of maintenance. How would that system work? Or will it indicate it cannot engage in such conditions?

Re:What about roads with no lanes? (1)

Dripdry (1062282) | more than 2 years ago | (#38552060)

Puerto Rico!? Listen, buddy, I do sympathize but have you BEEN to the states lately, because that's what about half the roads here are looking like too.

exactly how far behind are they? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551670)

from wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane_departure_warning_system

snippets:

In 2007 Infiniti offered a newer version of this feature, which it called the Lane Departure Prevention (LDP) system. This feature utilizes the vehicle stability control system to help assist the driver maintain lane position by applying gentle brake pressure on the appropriate wheels.

In 2004, Toyota added a Lane Keeping Assist feature to the Crown Majesta which can apply a small counter-steering force to aid in keeping the vehicle in its lane.

2003: Honda launched its Lane Keep Assist System (LKAS) on the Inspire.[13][14] It provides up to 80% of steering torque to keep the car in its lane on the highway.

Re:exactly how far behind are they? (1)

rrossman2 (844318) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551854)

Infinity isn't in the same class, crown is a Toyota brand not found in the US, and as far as I'm aware the Honda system is available in Europe, not the US yet

Goodbye Ford. We knew you well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551720)

One accident, one BIG lawsuit. No more Ford Motor Company.

Re:Goodbye Ford. We knew you well... (3, Informative)

rrossman2 (844318) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551860)

They aren't the first company to implement this.... its a fairly tested setup outside of the US

Sounds good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551742)

"it will also steer the car back into the right lane"... Finally, I can catch a nap on those long drives.

Another feature (4, Funny)

McDrewbie (530348) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551780)

How about after say 3 times the car has to enable this feature, it removes all control from the driver, keeps their belt buckled, and drives them to the nearest 12-hr Driving Course for a re-upper.

Oh crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551784)

Now people can drive drunk and the car will offer a good disguise! AWESOME?!

Nah.

What does it do if you miss the Ford dealership? (4, Funny)

rcpitt (711863) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551826)

At oil change time when you go to turn into the Mr. Lube the steering wheel resists, the doors and windows lock, the radio turns to a Ford oil change commercial and you're driven to the nearest Ford dealership

AI ... fight! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38551846)

I'd just like to know how hard the AI will fight if it misinterprets a driver's intentional lane change.

To the death !!

again, not solving the problem makes it worse (2, Insightful)

holophrastic (221104) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551896)

it's not difficult to change lanes, nor to stay in one lane. that's, quite frankly, the easiest part of driving. I don't need help. And keeping me between lines when the road ignores the lines -- construction zones, test paint strips, icons, etc. -- is a terrible idea.

but more than anything else, why should I avoid driving drowsy when my car can help me out? you'll get more drowsy drivers, and more drunk drivers, than ever before.

you'll also have a whole host of drivers blaming a crash on this feature, whether or not it's true.

you've just taken both responsibilty and accountability away from the driver, and put it into something that can't be held accountable, and doesn't have a drivers licence. congrats.

but hey, here's the truth. this is EXACTLY like letting your 8-year old child steer from the passenger seat, while on a long highway drive. it's very dangerous and very illegal. not because your child can't stay between the lines. because the driver is the driver.

Will it wake me when my exit's coming up? (4, Funny)

outsider007 (115534) | more than 2 years ago | (#38551960)

Also I'd like to request a 'snooze bar' feature, sometimes I like to get a few more minutes sleep before getting off the highway.

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