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Windows Phone Homebrew Hits a Snag

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the freedom-for-some dept.

Microsoft 185

symbolset writes "TheNextWeb is reporting that the first official jailbreak for Windows Phone 7, ChevronWP7, has 'sold out' of tokens to enable homebrew application support. Only 10,000 tokens to jailbreak Windows Phones were ever granted. According to an announcement through ChevronWP7's Twitter feed, they're discussing whether they will ask Microsoft to make more available. With Lumia falling flat in Europe Microsoft needs all the enthusiastic modding fans they can get."

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Nokia Lumia (0, Troll)

SharkLaser (2495316) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565164)

With Lumia falling flat in Europe Microsoft needs all the enthusiastic modding fans they can get.

Actually, Lumia is performing really well in Europe and Australia. In November it was on top of sales charts of Sweden and Australia [wmpoweruser.com] and in December in United Kingdom [wmpoweruser.com] , beating both Android devices and iPhone. Nokia and Microsoft did really well in Europe.

Re:Nokia Lumia (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38565206)

Lumia was not even available to buy in sweden until this january.

Re:Nokia Lumia (0)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565246)

We're talking about Microsoft here. Let's leave facts out of it. The truth is whatever the Microsoft Shills say it is.

Re:Nokia Lumia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38565220)

Funny that they didn't release them in Finland... not that I'd want one. My N900 will be replaced by an Android of some sort when it expires.

Re:Nokia Lumia (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38565224)

Well, both links you provide talk about online shops, one being expansys. You should well know that these shops don't represent any country by far.

Nokia Lumia demand boringly flat (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38565264)

Erm, try again:

European customers yawning at Microsoft/Nokia Windows phone. [forbes.com] ... lukewarm response in Europe despite rock-bottom dumping prices financed by Microsoft who badly wants Android to fail.

Re:Nokia Lumia demand boringly flat (4, Interesting)

SharkLaser (2495316) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565320)

Microsoft doesn't want Android to fail. They are profiting half a billion every year from it, without doing anything.

Re:Nokia Lumia demand boringly flat (2, Insightful)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565410)

I'm sure Microsoft would happily trade the $500m/yr for the outright elimination of a competitor.

Re:Nokia Lumia demand boringly flat (4, Interesting)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566048)

Then you obviously don't remember your history because MSFT just came out from under antitrust and as long as there is competition MSFT can do whatever they want, just like their competitors. Besides as another pointed out MSFT gets paid for a large chunk of those Android phones, they don't get squat for the iPhone. That said i think a big reason why MSFT has embraced HTML V5 is thanks to MPEG-LA having complete and total control over H.26x they and Apple could split that market and the rest will "have to pay their $699 license fee" to borrow from an old meme.

Personally, and you'd think the majority here would agree if ACs weren't infected this place like a cancer, I hope the WinPhone carves out a nice just as i hope RIM doesn't die and WebOS finds a home. Competition is GOOD folks, its what gives us low prices and new innovations because if you sit on your ass your market share dries up and blows away, just ask the IE team. The more competitors we have in the mobile field the better as far as I'm concerned because ultimately its good for the consumer to have plenty of choices. I mean can you imagine if it ends up just Android and iOS? apple will use the courts to kill all the higher priced units so you end up with the iPhone VS CCC (Cheapo Chinese Crapola) which will give them a monopoly on the high end. Say what you want about MSFT but their lawyers are just as nasty as any of the Nazgul they have working in Apple legal and Apple would be fools to try to lock WinPhone out of the market.

So I hope we end up with a healthy market even if my guts tell me it'll end up a three way race. But of course I'm not an AC going "Everyone go to hell except cave 76!" and I don't treat OSes like ball clubs, hell I don't treat ball clubs like ball clubs. If /. wants to reverse their declining numbers how about instead of giving me the option to remove ads they give me the option to remove AC posts from my view? I bet the conversations would be MUCH more civil. Hell we might even get like we used to where you'd have long back and forth posts talking about subjects intelligently based on merits and demerits instead of all this AC horseshit ruining the flow.

Re:Nokia Lumia demand boringly flat (4, Informative)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566530)

Microsoft does collect money on iPhones - they contain no small amount of Microsoft tech as well (Exchange ActiveSync licensing, etc).

Re:Nokia Lumia demand boringly flat (0)

NicknameOne (2525178) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566066)

Do we need more confirmation you are a Microsoft shill? Microsoft did not receive a cent from any of the Android manufacturers (prove me wrong by providing a link to an article that is not speculating about the amount exchanged.) No terms have been made public. Microsoft is paying everyone to actually generate such positive press.

The device manufacturers probably laughed in their face when Microsoft went to them pan in hand.

Re:Nokia Lumia demand boringly flat (2)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566138)

They don't control Android so while the money is better than nothing they rather you use WP7. Which is why they often give back more money than they get to companies that give into selling WP7. The whole Android shake down is about selling WP7 not making more money.

Re:Microsoft doesn't want Android to fail (1)

snikulin (889460) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566386)

Finally! Now we can designate Android fanboi as M$ Shills!

Re:Nokia Lumia demand boringly flat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38565506)

Thanks for pointing this out. I was beginning to wonder if it was true, considering this is the second post I saw saying that Lumia is doing well in Europe. Is Microsoft assembling its own fifty cent army?

Re:Nokia Lumia demand boringly flat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38565600)

Erm, try again:

European customers yawning at Microsoft/Nokia Windows phone. [forbes.com] ... lukewarm response in Europe despite rock-bottom dumping prices financed by Microsoft who badly wants Android to fail.

Of course it fails. Nokia knows how to make very good hardware with good software. On top of that Nokia phones are quite modable, or open if you like. Now imagine replacing the software component with that piece of shit windows phone that is as closed as anything coming out of Apple. Its no wonder Nokia customers are giving the finger to windows phones.

Americans customers don't have any idea of just open and dynamic the phone market is in europe.
By contrast the US situation is shit with a big S. Only an idiot would throw away a Nokia phone to replace it with a windows phone.

Re:Nokia Lumia demand boringly flat (2)

Endimiao (471532) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566440)

Not even true Nokia phones. They are made by Compal and rebranded Nokia.

Re:Nokia Lumia demand boringly flat (2)

MrHanky (141717) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566348)

Oh great. An AC getting modded up +2 for reposting the same link from the summary that SharkLaser (a known shill, admittedly) is modded down for disputing with other links. And some people say Slashdot isn't an echo chamber of idiot fanboys reposting the same inane bullshit over and over.

Lumia seems to sell very well in the Netherlands.

Re:Nokia Lumia demand boringly flat (2)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566502)

I don't think that Slashdot is an echo chamber of idiot fanboys reposting the same inane bullshit over and over.

Re:Nokia Lumia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38565280)

The acclaimed design of this phone and the domestic Nokia brand sold it in the EU (not the OS).

How much does MS pay you? (5, Insightful)

Cyberax (705495) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565300)

So, basically, Lumia topped sales on one website for a few days. And another website had put into 'bestseller list' without releasing any numbers.

Yeah, it really performs well. Maybe next month a "Joe's Web Store" site would put it into "Top Wishlisted" products.

Re:How much does MS pay you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38565774)

So, basically, Lumia topped sales on one website for a few days. And another website had put into 'bestseller list' without releasing any numbers.

Yeah, it really performs well. Maybe next month a "Joe's Web Store" site would put it into "Top Wishlisted" products.

It probably depends on what MS wants to pay them.

Re:How much does MS pay you? (1)

Eirenarch (1099517) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565840)

Yeah, we should believe "the
analysts" they are much better source and deserve our trust.

Re:How much does MS pay you? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38565882)

Yeah, we should believe some random e-shops "top lists", they are very concrete and factual.

Did you know that placing products that don't move fast enough in "hot"/"popular"/"bestseller"/"special promotion" section is an universal retail practice?

Re:How much does MS pay you? (1)

Eirenarch (1099517) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566032)

I did not say we should believe them. I said that the other numbers are unreliable either. For example the number based on asking 5000 people what phones they were going to get was totally absurd and if true would mean that only 6000 Lumia phones would be sold in the UK which is obviously absurd. It seems like the middle ground of all information is about 800 000 - 1 000 000 Lumias sold till the end of 2011. Different sources do not agree if this is spectacular failure or relative success even if they agree on the numbers.

Re:How much does MS pay you? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38566150)

There are different ways to estimate popularity and sales dynamics.
Here's [appdata.com] one [appdata.com] , for example [appdata.com] - it shows +1.7M Facebook app for iPhone daily unique users in last week, +1.9M for Android app and +10K for WinPhone app.

Sure, it can mean "WinPhone users don't like and don't use Facebook" or "WinPhone official Facebook app sucks ass". Or "WP7 is a flop".

Re:How much does MS pay you? (4, Insightful)

Eirenarch (1099517) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566520)

I don't think that anyone expects Windows Phone to sell anywhere near Android or iPhone. They should not expect to sell even half of the iPhone numbers in the next 5 years. MS should go into Windows Phone with a strategy similar to Xbox which is "lose billions and after ~10 years we will be profitable and on the top"

Re:How much does MS pay you? (1)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566552)

We'll go with "official app sucks ass". Trust me, I have one. It's getting better though.

Re:Nokia Lumia (5, Informative)

leathered (780018) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565302)

Well I'd trust the mainstream tech media to give some reliable numbers on Lumia sales rather than an MS astroturfing site.

Let's see: El Reg [theregister.co.uk] , Grauniad [guardian.co.uk] , Gizmodo [gizmodo.co.uk] , and many others..

Re:Nokia Lumia (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38565334)

Hello that same guy, who "mistook" pointing out one MS shill for "They censor anyone pro-MS!" [slashdot.org] .

Incidentally, top comment of that thread was same NOKIA LUMIA IS THE WINNER without any grounding in reality.

Incidentally 2, he already posted it as unaccepted submission [slashdot.org]

Incidentally 3, judging by your behaviours, I'll classify you as "yet another part of CmdrInterstsightfulFellowIn140Bytes sockpuppet account".

Re:Nokia Lumia (1)

datavirtue (1104259) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565510)

By none other than SharkLaser again. I'm shocked! Foe.

Re:Nokia Lumia (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38565378)

how do you mean it was the top seller in Sweden? It was never launched in Sweden! I have been waiting to buy since it was released !

Re:Nokia Lumia (1)

fierce (1475725) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565404)

That equates to 100 % sales.

Re:Nokia Lumia (1)

gabebear (251933) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565674)

It looks like at some point the Lumia 800 was on the top of Expansys' Swedish top20 page [expansys.se] and Expansys' Australian top20 page [expansys.com.au] .

So "it was on top of sales charts of Sweden and Australia" isn't an outright lie...

Re:Nokia Lumia (5, Insightful)

WiiVault (1039946) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565596)

Saw the username, looked at your endless troll submissions, ignore. If you aren't getting paid to do this it's even more lame.

Re:Nokia Lumia (4, Interesting)

EEPROMS (889169) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565966)

I live in Australia and I have yet to see anyone with a WP7 powered device in hand. I catch the train to work every day and the train is full of people using their phones/tablets/tablets/mp3 players to pass the time. If you go to any mobile phone reseller WP7 handsets are never up front and in many cases are not even on display in the shops front window. I can only imagine the numbers Microsoft are showing are stock figures not actual sales especially considering most wholesalers are stocking up as the AUD dollar is very good (I work for a wholesale electronics company and our warehouse is full to be brim).

Re:Nokia Lumia (4, Interesting)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566152)

Same here in the UK. I see tons of people with Android and iOS phones but no one with a WP7 phone nor do you even hear anyone mention them. If it weren't for the internet I wouldn't know they exist.

Re:Nokia Lumia (1)

sd4f (1891894) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566396)

I know one person who has a windows phone, and he's very happy with it (iirc htc mozart). I'm a bit late to the smartphones, only getting one a few months ago, in an SGS i9000 and i'm really disappointed, gotta go to optus and whinge see if i can get something else out of them under warranty, phone doesn't like working all the time. Im unhappy with android, it's a real backward step going from a phone which is comparatively low on features, but works reliably, to a phone with lots of features, when they work, because it's not reliable. I am considering a win phone only because from independant reviews, it looks like ms is trying to push a good product.

ChevronWP7 is not a jailbreak (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38565186)

It is a mockery of the whole idea of what a jailbreak is.

Re:ChevronWP7 is not a jailbreak (3, Insightful)

lightknight (213164) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565258)

Reminds me of my senior year in high school -> the Administration had somehow convinced the students that while pranks were acceptable, they had to be approved before being implemented. Suffice to say, the quality of pranks has since dropped.

Placing a bunch of chairs out on the quad does not compare with dismantling and reassembling a teacher's car on one of the higher levels of the library.

Re:ChevronWP7 is not a jailbreak (0)

Jiro (131519) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565716)

If dismantling and reassembling the car caused damage, were the students involved planning to pay for the damage they caused? What if someone got hurt, were the students going to perform surgery on them to fix the injury?

(More likely, the students believed themselves invincible. They didn't consider the possibility they'd cause damage or hurt anyone because they were so sure of themselves that they didn't bother to account for it. (And no, the fact that it worked once without harm doesn't mean they were right--they just didn't hit the random chance of making a bad mistake. Crossing the street without looking out for oncoming cars works too--most of the time.)

Re:ChevronWP7 is not a jailbreak (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38566064)

Short of a volkswagen beetle, what car could be so disassembled that it'd fit through the doors, much less be reassemblable inside of a library?

I'd always wondered about this, since nothing produced (in the US at least!) in the past 30 years has been disassemblable to the level where it'd fit through double doors without using a hacksaw to split the unibody into 2-4 pieces in order to get it in to reassemble. And how many people would you need to carry the frame to begin with?

Re:ChevronWP7 is not a jailbreak (2)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566116)

You are the killer of fun, implementer of bureaucracy, neuterer of joy.

Re:ChevronWP7 is not a jailbreak (1)

lightknight (213164) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566582)

The football team hefted the parts upstairs, if I remember correctly. Compared to what they encounter out on the field, I think any injury would be considered minor in comparison.

And taking apart a car and putting it back together is something many mechanics do on a daily basis.

Re:ChevronWP7 is not a jailbreak (1)

Isaac-1 (233099) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565740)

True, but associated risk / repair costs are much lower

agreed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38565728)

what kind of a jail break wont let you copy hte jailbreak to any phone...ROFL
D....R.....M
D...R...M
do do do do
D....R....M

Linux exploit = Jailbreak (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38565992)

I guess WP7 has no such exploits ;-)

So.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38565188)

Fuckem... Someone figure out how to jailbreak your phone for free. Just like all the other ones.

Why the hell would you pay for such a thing... You KNOW windows of any sort is so full of holes theres gotta be a dozen easy ways to exploit it.

Re:So.... (0)

SharkLaser (2495316) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565212)

Windows Phone 7 is actually the only current phone with no exploits. Both Android and iPhone have exploits (even tho users usually label them as rooting their phones, but essentially it's the same).

Re:So.... (5, Funny)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565244)

Windows Phone 7 is actually the only current phone with no exploits.

And as the Microsoft astroturfers keep telling us, that's only because the market share is so low that no-one cares enough to try to exploit it.

Re:So.... (1)

BronsCon (927697) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565340)

Or, because there was a "legit" way to root the phone. Now that there's not, watch an exploit appear.

Re:So.... (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565420)

There was never a "legit" way to root the phone. There was a way to pay money to do what (most) Android devices let you do out of the gate.

Re:So.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38565938)

I dunno about most. My android device wasn't jailbroken until several weeks after it came out. Even then, the source code to the exploit was kept secret. I know HTC has promised to make this easier, but I have yet to see them keep that promise. They certainly haven't released an update for my phone.

Re:So.... (1)

danbob999 (2490674) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566244)

But you don't need to "jailbreak" an Android device to install out of market apps, which is 99% of what "jailbreakers" want to do with their phone.
On Android, it's just a check box, and it's free.

Many Android phones, such as those from Samsung, are also "rootable" (the other 1% of the jailbreak) without any hacks.

Re:So.... (1, Redundant)

gstrickler (920733) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565262)

Because they haven't sold enough WP7 to anyone to waste their time trying.

Re:So.... (-1, Troll)

SharkLaser (2495316) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565332)

Because they haven't sold enough WP7 to anyone to waste their time trying.

Why can you use that line when Windows is involved, but not with Linux? Every time someone says that Linux is secure because it doesn't have enough market share there is countless amount of people saying that it isn't so. Selective much?

Re:So.... (1)

mortonda (5175) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565366)

Whoosh....

Re:So.... (2)

next_ghost (1868792) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565446)

Maybe it has something to do with the simple fact that Linux is often used in big business to run servers with mission-critical services while WP7 phone is at best about as important as overpriced paperweight.

WOW... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38566044)

So Linux is only secure if you hire a system administrator to install and configure it. And yet.. Linux webservers keep getting defaced daily. And yet ... Linux kernel has *always* had more security bugs than the NT kernel. If every security bug in Linux was front page news on slashdot like Windows bugs Linux would probably have 0.1 market sharre instead of 0.3. (LOL)

http://www.exploit-db.com/platform/?p=linux [exploit-db.com]

Re:WOW... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38566246)

Yeah, 32 pages of Linux exploits [exploit-db.com] vs 175 pages for Windows [exploit-db.com] really drives your point home.

Anyways, you're talking about "linux kernel and nt kernel bugs" and provide a link to db listing _everything_ that can count as exploit - kernel, core libs, 3rd party soft, local, remote, root, DoS, shells, reverse shells - all in one mixed listing. Very helpful, that.

Re:So.... (4, Informative)

anonymov (1768712) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565492)

Yes, desktop Linux is secure enough for only semi-loud malware story about it to be "someone uploaded trojan shell script masked as a Gnome addon to a third-party Gnome addons site, some people actually downloaded it and some even ran it". Can't remember did it try to get user to sudo it or just did what it could with user's permissions.

Server Linux, on the other hand, is very attractive target as it hosts a big part of the web and targeted software is not Linux per se, but usually buggy CMS's and unpatched Apache installations.

Windows, on the other hand, has a few nice MS-introduced OS level vulnerabilities discovered this year - not to forget about the beautiful times brought by LoveSan and alikes.

Re:So.... (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565556)

Because Linux is open-source. It has a million eyes looking at it. :)

Re:So.... (1)

nman64 (912054) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565266)

Windows Phone 7 is actually the only current phone with no known exploits. Both Android and iPhone have exploits (even tho users usually label them as rooting their phones, but essentially it's the same).

TFTFY

If new tokens are not issued, I'm sure the community will start looking for, and will find, such exploits.

Re:So.... (1)

datavirtue (1104259) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565542)

I don't consider phishing an OS exploit. Don't recall any iOS exploits and I doubt there is a reliable exploit for Android that can be carried out minus user intervention.

Re:So.... (1)

wjsteele (255130) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565958)

Um... iOS does have exploits... where do you think the ability to jailbreak comes from?

Heck, they even have simple web sites that will do it for you just by clicking on a link! If that's not an easy exploit, then I don't know what is!

Bill

Re:So.... (1)

chrb (1083577) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565932)

There is a difference between an unlocked bootloader and an exploit. By your definition, every PC has an "exploit" because it is possible to boot an alternative OS.

Re:So.... (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566166)

The only people with WP7 phones are MS employees. Now why would they write exploits and risk losing their job?

Cee Lo Green (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38565252)

Onward, Christian paedophiles, Marching as to war.
With the cock of Jesus, Up a boy of four.

How do you like them apples, Cee Lo?

ChevronWP7 (5, Interesting)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565282)

ChevronWP7 wasn't a jailbreak, it didn't give you control over the phone. All it really did was give you the rights of a developer account, without paying for it.

Those of us who were waiting for a true jailbreak, with native-code execution and control of the system, were sorely disappointed that ChevronWP7 got so much publicity, because after that, people stopped working on trying to really jailbreak the phone. It was sad.

Re:ChevronWP7 (3, Informative)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565396)

If you've got a Samsung phone, head on over to WindowBreak [windowsphonehacker.com] . It'll give you developer access and native execution abilities, even starting from a locked-down 7.5 (Mango).

Re:ChevronWP7 (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565536)

From your linked website:

It also is not a full unlock. Just interop.

You're right it's way better than ChevronWP7, and the original people who did that work should get way more credit than the people who came out with ChevronWP7, but it's not full access. You're still locked out of the system.

Re:ChevronWP7 (1)

datavirtue (1104259) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565570)

With the WP7 public stunts like those found on YouTube and the Mango reference dredging up Saturday Night Live memories involving a lovers' quarrel between Chris Kattan and Garth Brooks, WP7 is dead to me. I have no choice but to distance it from my person.

Re:ChevronWP7 (2)

ausrob (864993) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566008)

Yup, and the dead givaway that this wasn't a real jailbreak was: "they're discussing whether they will ask Microsoft to make more available".

Re:ChevronWP7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38566020)

Yeah, that makes sense. I was wondering why the escaped convicts would be asking the warden for more "tokens". Like it's some sort of free-range jail with collars or something. In that regard, I guess it DID keep the convicts in line and limited the urge to, you know, ACTUALLY jail-break the thing.

Re:ChevronWP7 (1)

Eirenarch (1099517) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566118)

After they managed to unlock the phone they made a deal with Microsoft and removed the original tool to release it as a paid (future proof) version. There are other jailbreak tools unrelated to MS though.

Re:ChevronWP7 (2)

Eirenarch (1099517) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566088)

I am curious why you got a Windows Phone if you were so interested in running native code and controlling the system. There are plenty of options out there for people who want full access to the system and with Windows Phone Microsoft actually markets the lack of access as kind of a feature. I am pretty happy with my Windows Phone but I cannot understand why people who care about full access would buy it.

Re:ChevronWP7 (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566158)

Some people like to get things just to play with them and see what they can do. As my personal phone I have an old-fashioned feature phone, which I've gold plated (literally.....the gold-leaf is only $10 if you know how to do it).

In my case, I'm lucky enough to have a job that pays me to do this. I usually have half-a-dozen different smart phones/tablets on my desk, some of which are pre-release. I spent some time hacking WP7, but once it became apparent that the marketshare would be small, I returned to spending my time reverse-engineering Android phones from vendors who haven't released the source code.

Re:ChevronWP7 (1)

MrCrassic (994046) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566180)

Even worse, the ability for users to "Interop Unlock" their phones was mostly based on the manufacturer. I think there is one available for Samsung and LG; HTC got the shaft after the Mango update.

Read on for more information: Click here [xda-developers.com]

Ahhh we still need codewords (1)

The End Of Days (1243248) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565286)

"Homebrew" is by far my favorite codeword in all of nerddom. A close second is "evil."

Re:Ahhh we still need codewords (0)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566604)

Based on comments on the WindowBreak site, "Homebrew" is code for "Pirated". Such as "I tested it by sideloading NFS Unlimited for free".

Yes, jailbreaking is about homebrew. Pffft.

Cyanogen MOD (0)

andydread (758754) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565394)

If Cyanogen can't run on it then I don't want it. So Nokia is out of the question.

The N9 is/was beauiful (2, Insightful)

kurt555gs (309278) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565408)

I bought a Nokia N9 on the grey market to add to my collection of Maemo phones. I have an N770, N800, N900, and now an N9. What really surprised me is that the N9 is beautiful, the OS is great, and the screens are beautiful. People would have loved the N9 if they were able to buy it. Elop certainly made sure it was not only dead, but he had Nokia use up the N9 parts (except the processor) building that Lumina 800 thing.

If I had my way at Nokia. They would still do what they do best making beautiful hardware, and allow people to choose from Symbian, Maemo, and Android. No one really wants WP7, and it just isn't very good.

My guess is that Microsoft got to Nokia's board and installed Elop to have Nokia sign away rights to do anything other than pay Microsoft as part one. Part two is to destroy Nokia so that Microsoft can buy their stock for penny's and get control of Nokia's massive patent portfolio. Once that's done, Microsoft will become the world's largest patent troll and simple make Google and Apple pay to sell cell phones. After all, this would be the normal Microsoft modus operandi of extortion rather than development. Microsoft loves being sneaky. I am sure the bosses at Microsoft know that WP7 is junk, and could never compete on it's merits. To me, WP7 is just a sham to cover Microsoft's true objectives of fraud and extortion without being sued outright.

So, there.

Nokia Lumia 500 are just Fake Nokia N9 (2)

rzr (898397) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565494)

Fight piracy ! use the original N9 one ... dont buy crappy copies such as that sandboxed toy for lamers I will ignore WP7 untill someone port a decent framework like Qt or native dll ...

Re:The N9 is/was beauiful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38565618)

Microsoft isn't big enough anymore to pull this over Apple and Google.
You know Ballmer tried to "fucking kill Google" back when they were way smaller and it didn't work out.

Re:The N9 is/was beauiful (4, Insightful)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565658)

But your approach would bankrupt the company. Prior to Elop taking over, it was pretty damn clear Symbian, MeeGo/Maemo/Harmatten was doomed.

I think you're right that Microsoft played some dirty tricks with Elop(the conflicts of interest are glaring), but I think you're wrong that WinPhone 7 is junk.

The problem with Nokia is that they dont' have any clear vision. The N9 is clearly an example. If I was Elop anything that wasn't Windows Phone or feature phone would've had the axe immediately. Hell, I would axe shitty feature phones. I know the impact on emerging regions would be horrific, but, take the current designs, open them up to local firms and have them build it. It's clear that feature phones with slim margins isn't going to keep the company afloat.

Re:The N9 is/was beauiful (1)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565930)

Doomed perhaps but Symbian and Meego were/are open source.

If Nokia cared about homebrew, they'd stick to a common hardware roadmap for all their future devices. Providing WP7 with an open boatloader and employing a skeleton staff to assist with driver development for meego/symbian/webos/android would go a long way to regaining the trust of those burnt by the 'Qt4 on everything' about face.

Do Cyanogenmodders represent anything of a market share? My next phone will likely be an HTC but if Nokia were to provide any sort of commitment to the N9 community, perhaps I'd reconsider.

Re:The N9 is/was beauiful (1)

TheLongshot (919014) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566648)

But your approach would bankrupt the company. Prior to Elop taking over, it was pretty damn clear Symbian, MeeGo/Maemo/Harmatten was doomed.

And now after Elop they are definitely doomed by signing on to the falling star that is Microsoft.

Re:The N9 is/was beauiful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38565912)

Bought an N9 as well, it's an excellent phone with 1-click root access and the ability to apt-get packages. I fail to understand why one would by a phone that requires you to jailbreak it before being able to do with it what you want.

Re:The N9 is/was beauiful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38566216)

No; it didn't sell well because of poor marketing and poor release strategy, just like the "failure" that plagued the Nexus One. This was mostly proven when the Nexus S, which was marketed much better and made available through Best Buy, sold much better the following year. Then again, the N1 was mostly a testbed for the Nexus platform, so this might have been intentional.

Re:The N9 is/was beauiful (1)

ninjakoala (890584) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566608)

"No one really wants WP7, and it just isn't very good."

Speak for yourself, sir. Clearly at least 10k rooting customers disagree and I as well.

I just ordered a WP7 phone. Not so much because I think it's the Best Phone OS Ever Made(TM), but because I feel like trying something different after using iPhone since the 3G came out. Since I have an iPhone 4 through work I thought it would be fun to try out WP7 on my personal number. Bought a mid-range phone (Omnia W) so I don't waste too much money if I end up not liking it.

I've played around with it in shops and liked what I saw, though. Unlike Android (but like Meego) it is sufficiently different from iOS to pique my interest.

That said I agree that Nokia should have kept working on Meego. I tried an N9 and while it didn't feel particularly polished, I certainly thought it was a promising start. I'm sad to see it go - especially after having followed the OS since it was Moblin.

So all that and only 10,000 MS-sanctioned pirates? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38565488)

Hm, that's about 160 per day. Assume most were in the leading days, but that's not important. This is a KEY TO GET ALL WINDOWS PHJONE APPS FOR FREE!, without fear of MS popping up a "app revoked" on your next phone sync, and all you can move is 160 a day?

I knoew Windows Phone market was fractional, but 160 a day? That is subfractional.

Re:So all that and only 10,000 MS-sanctioned pirat (1)

Groo Wanderer (180806) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565800)

Holy Sh*t! 10,000 pirates, that is 731 pirates (rounded up) for every available app. Dude, we need SOPA, and we need it fast to keep companies that do good work, like Microsoft, alive. Without them, who would innovate?

                                    -Charlie

Re:So all that and only 10,000 MS-sanctioned pirat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38565982)

50,000 apps and growing (weeds). It is your typical app store break-down of good, bad, and ugly. Thare are close to two million WP phones out there. Most are US but HTC WP phones are popular in Iran (the only WP phone brand sold there). Italy has a small base of devotees that swear by it (the italians love Free apps, which is understandable - and I don't mean free apps, but Free apps). Nokia is aiming for mainland China with the upcoming WP Tango version. Billions of customers Elop says.

Jail break. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38565868)

Just another company to stupid to give the user wtf they want.

Fail, I wont buy one. The last windows phone I had was OK but compared to the Iphone combined with xcode is really very exciting even after all this time.
They are missing in action to me, after awhile they became just a memory.

Surprise (0)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 2 years ago | (#38565968)

What's more surprising...

The fact MS had so little confidence in their product to only provide 10,000 tokens...
Or that they actually managed to sell 10,000 tokens at all.

Wait- what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38566038)

Whoa whoa whoa, wait a second- there are more than 10,000 WP7 users?

car analogy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38566058)

Windows putting their software on Nokia is like Ford putting its engine in a Rolls Royce car.. looks nice, but fails to perform.

Nokia will fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38566362)

Because its "image" is old as m$ image is old. They can sell their phones to some old guy that hasn't seen nothing different from the M$ crap in its life. He buys this stuff because he feels home there. Young people are far more open to new things and are naturally inclined to dump everything that smells as old .

Windows Phone 7 has potential. (5, Interesting)

MrCrassic (994046) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566430)

Two months ago, I traded my wonderful G2 for a HD7 to get a taste of the Windows Phone experience. I've used Windows Mobile since the 2003 version on the MPx200 (solid flip-phone; absolutely loved it) and wanted to see how far Microsoft has matured in the mobile arena.

Windows Phone 7 has, hands down, the best mobile UI experience you can get right now. Everything is fluid, fast and easy. The stock applications and voice controls gel perfectly and make Android look like a total mess, though it's cleaned up its act with Ice Cream Sandwich. App switching is WebOS-like and will make multi-tasking awesome when it comes to life in the next version. It's integration with Windows Live and Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn is the best I have ever seen and used and totally antiquates the need for their dedicated apps. (This might not matter for many Slashdot folks, but it matters for most people.) Forget iPod and iTunes; the Zune is just as easy to use and is much prettier to use. (It helps that the Zune software runs great on Windows, unlike iTunes.) The camera has ZERO lag, though the lens on the HD7 absolutely sucked. It's experience is absolutely beautiful and I can totally see iPhone users defecting to this once the app ecosystem.

Microsoft's strategy to use Nokia as their flagship supplier makes much more sense after you use it for a while; Nokia still has huge brand recognition and will shake up the market really nicely when they release (and market) their ace device.

The biggest obvious problem is that Apple and Android both had first-mover's advantage and, thus, own the space at the moment. However, this is not as problematic as it seems. People are getting tired of iOS (it hasn't changed very much since 1.0, despite great hardware advances) and Windows Phone offers a very cool and equally smooth alternative that a lot of people will feel comfortable moving to, especially with its strong Facebook integration. It's going to be very difficult for Apple to match this and Android's UI improvements and they can't depend on making killer hardware leaps anymore since both fronts have caught up there. (Kind of like how Intel can't really market GHz anymore since every processor is "fast enough.")

Apple is, finally, in trouble, but that's what happens when you're on top for so long. :)

Re:Windows Phone 7 has potential. (1)

sd4f (1891894) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566558)

Since you have the phone and might be able to answer this, i don't use facebook, or any other social networking stuff, except form msn messenger, can that strong integration be removed or hidden, ie, if i don't use it, i don't want those tiles to show up nor options to be available to use the social networking?

Talk about control freaks (1)

sjames (1099) | more than 2 years ago | (#38566598)

You need a special TOKEN just to develop for the damn things? And there's a shortage? Do they have a basement full of MS trolls hand-crafting each token?

If they thought the ability was intrinsically dangerous, they wouldn't offer these tokens. If they weren't control freaks, they wouldn't make people beg them for a token just to have a bit more control over the phone. It's the worst kind of artificial scarcity.

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