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US Threatens Spain For Not Implementing SOPA-Like Law

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the inigo-montoya-on-high-alert dept.

Piracy 508

SharkLaser writes "In a leaked letter sent to Spain's outgoing President, the US ambassador warned that if Spain didn't pass SOPA-like file-sharing site blocking law, Spain would risk being put into United States trade blocklist. United States government interference in Spain's intellectual property laws have been suspected for a long time, and now the recent leaks of diplomatic cables confirm this. Apart from the cables leaked earlier, now another cable dated December 12th says U.S. expresses 'deep concern' over the failure to implement SOPA-style censorship law in the country. 'The government has unfortunately failed to finish the job for political reasons, to the detriment of the reputation and economy of Spain,' read the letter. Racing against the clock in the final days of the government, Solomont had one last push. 'I encourage the Government of Spain to implement the Sinde Law immediately to safeguard the reputation of Spain as an innovative country that does what it says it will, and as a country that breeds confidence,' he wrote."

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508 comments

correct response: "OK, put me on the list." (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597108)

All it needs is one domino to fall.

Re:correct response: "OK, put me on the list." (5, Funny)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597202)

Spain is bankrupt. Putting them on an international trade blacklist is like refusing to serve homeless people in Harrod's.

Re:correct response: "OK, put me on the list." (2, Insightful)

DCTech (2545590) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597256)

It would be fun to see U.S. threaten China about blacklisting them. Oh, wait, they can't because U.S. is so dependent on China that it would hurt U.S. more than it would hurt China.

Re:correct response: "OK, put me on the list." (5, Insightful)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597446)

Not really, the US represents a huge buyer of inexpensive cheap plastic crap from china and would devastate their economy if we stopped trading with them. The US would suffer because we would have to buy locally produced expensive cheap plastic crap, at least until we have had time to ramp up the cheap plastic crap industry at home and solve the unemployment problem.

Re:correct response: "OK, put me on the list." (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597512)

actually read about US debt holdings before you make further idiotic comments.

Re:correct response: "OK, put me on the list." (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597602)

Actually make a point before you call names, douche.

Re:correct response: "OK, put me on the list." (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597782)

The concept of "calling names" is a bit out of your grasp, isn't it? Not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you?

Re:correct response: "OK, put me on the list." (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597306)

Spain is only bankrupt if it can't provide all the necessities for its own people. If they can manage to self-sustain, all the blacklists in the world will have no effect on its economy.

Re:correct response: "OK, put me on the list." (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597710)

Germany has twice as external debt than Spain, same the UK, France... even the US has much more external debt than Spain proportionally, in case you think the US is not bankrupt. Spain's problem is a very high rate of unemployement, their debt is relatively small. Amazed of how easy is to be absolutely misinformed nowadays.

Re:correct response: "OK, put me on the list." (1)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597876)

That's not a real comparison.

I have less on my credit cards than Bill Gates, but he is not more bankrupted or in debt (in comparison to what he brings in) than me.

Re:correct response: "OK, put me on the list." (5, Insightful)

Asic Eng (193332) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597536)

I really don't get this - is SOPA so important to US interests that it would risk a trade war with an EU country? I get that it's in the interests of some media companies, but they are puny in comparison with other US industries. Don't these industries have lobbies, too?

Re:correct response: "OK, put me on the list." (5, Insightful)

rickb928 (945187) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597698)

1. SOPA is so important to U.S. corporate interests that they are exerting enormous pressure on our Legislature.

2. Our Legislature, being so dependent on corporate insider trading, is willing to do their will.

3. Our Executive branch, being utterly bereft of ethical standards, is willing to threaten Spain with actual economic damages for no more reason than to support U.S. corporate interests, which uktimately serve to enrich the Legislature (and other insiders) to the disadvantage of the general population.

4. There are virtually NO U.S. corporations that would not benefit from the enactment of SOPA, in some way. Virtually none would suffer any damages from enactment of SOPA. Even Internet-based corporations would benefit from having clear rules to follow. Ambiguity is not always profitable.

Re:correct response: "OK, put me on the list." (1)

pulse2600 (625694) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597722)

Other US industries are backing the legislation. SOPA is intended to block distributors of ALL pirated/counterfeit goods...so clothing manufacturers, for example, like it because they want to be able to block sites selling cheap knockoffs of designer clothing, bags, sneakers, etc.

Freedom (5, Insightful)

alphatel (1450715) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597110)

Blackmail: you're doing it right.

Re:Freedom (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597172)

Not right at all, SOPA can still be worked around.

Re:Freedom (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597286)

In fact, SOPA will make work for the police a lot harder.

As of now, it is easy to sit back and monitor connections, because people will do their business directly from their IP addresses.

Come SOPA, there will be a distributed, encrypted name system, and more people will move to offshore proxies. This will completely lock out passive spying, forcing LEOs to have to take an active role, either by blocking proxies by IP address, demanding endpoints have monitoring on them, or passing harsh, unenforceable laws, and then vacuuming up a script kiddy to throw a life sentence at as an example.

SOPA will just get P2P people to have to download an updated client. Law enforcement will be stuck out in the cold when all connections go dark as people start using VPNs as a matter of routine.

Re:Freedom (4, Insightful)

danomac (1032160) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597430)

99% of the population would not understand what you are talking about. Yes, people will wind up updating their clients to get some sort of encryption which will be traceable back to their IP.

I can tell you if I ask teenagers today most won't even know what a VPN is.

It will affect casual piracy as people are thrown in jail to make an example. Hardcore pirates will use workarounds such as VPNs. The average Joe won't and will see people being thrown in jail and stop.

That's all they want.

Re:Freedom (4, Interesting)

Synerg1y (2169962) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597628)

Don't you think the RIAA lawsuits have done something to this effect?

There's actual tangible value in piracy, it's not just a convenience feature of the internet. Robbing banks is illegal and they have spent hundreds of millions in securing them in that industry, but guess what I hear on the news a few months ago? Yep, bank STILL got robbed.

I imagine a serious increase in wifi hacking and a lot of misdirected finger pointing.

Re:Freedom (1)

Pi1grim (1956208) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597798)

It won't affect piracy. The only thing this is going to achieve is torrent client with built in i2p or something like that. It's enough for people to be scared enough that software developers of popular bittorrent clients (say uTorrent, for example) implement this feature in a user-friendly fashion (click here not to be traced on-line). And there you have it folks, stealth network that just got a great deal bigger and you have no idea what is moving along those "pipes" and where. Good job.

Re:Freedom (4, Informative)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597826)

Irrelevant, this isnt SOPA.

It looks, from this mini article [engadget.com] (since noone seems willing to link to either the letter, or the law), like its more akin to the DMCA takedown provision. A content holder feels like their content is being illegally shared, they pass that on to a commission which determines if the case is actionable; if so, that is passed onto a judge.

Which, to my mind, sounds about right. Im not clear on why the commission is necessary, except perhaps to weed out unnecessary cases; but regardless it sounds like the courts do get involved.

Can someone explain to me how this is remotely similar to SOPA?

Re:Freedom (5, Insightful)

SniperJoe (1984152) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597272)

Actually, this is more along the lines of extortion. "Nice country you've got here. It would be a shame if someone blacklisted it from trading with other countries..."

Re:Freedom (1)

Azuaron (1480137) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597884)

Disclaimer: I don't support SOPA. I want SOPA to die in a fire three times over.

That being said, this is not blackmail or extortion; it's economics, standard world trade policy, and foreign policy. If one country disagrees with the economic policies of another (and SOPA is an economic policy), then they apply economic sanctions on the other country. This is how countries relate to each other.

It's like, if I hated Walmart policies, I wouldn't shop at Walmart. I'm not blackmailing or extorting Walmart, I'm disagreeing with them and taking my business elsewhere.

I didn't see this kind of language when the EU said they wouldn't buy oil from Iran. Jeez.

Dear US of A (5, Funny)

Krneki (1192201) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597136)

Fuck off!

Re:Dear US of A (5, Insightful)

toetagger (642315) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597216)

The questions is: Will the people living int he US finally elect a competent set of leaders, or will this worsening problem require an external solution? I guess another alternative would be a revolution? How many more years like this?

Re:Dear US of A (2)

DC2088 (2343764) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597258)

There's none on the ballot this year.

Re:Dear US of A (1, Insightful)

gfxguy (98788) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597416)

Of course there is... but he won't win because the MSM considers him "crazy." So much so they don't even like to talk about him.

Re:Dear US of A (1)

DC2088 (2343764) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597674)

I don't like HIM, either.

Re:Dear US of A (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597868)

In all fairness, he is a little crazy. Hes principled, and might fix some things, all true, but still a little crazy.

Re:Dear US of A (3, Insightful)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597292)

Problem is, we get the same garbage up to the point where we are given a choice, so the question is not so much which candidate is good, as which maggot is the least rancid.

Re:Dear US of A (5, Insightful)

jimmerz28 (1928616) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597304)

We can't elect anyone who is competent until we somehow fix the lobby-centric corporate buyout principal the political environment is built on here.

People (like Obama) seem competent to voters and then turn around and act just like (or worse than) the previous administration due to their corporate entrenchment.

Re:Dear US of A (4, Insightful)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597902)

Lobbying is basically people banding together and expressing their opinion with promises of campaign money. Im not sure how you intend to get rid of that without curtailing people's right to vote, or to speech, or to the press.

Re:Dear US of A (2)

g0bshiTe (596213) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597356)

That's not a question, it's not like we get to actually choose who to vote for. It's like you coming over to my house for dinner and I offer you your choice of tripe or haggis. Which is the better choice?

Re:Dear US of A (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597426)

Well... haggis. It's actually pretty nice.

Re:Dear US of A (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597802)

Maybe it'll be more accurate if he offered Mountain Dew and Crab Juice.

Re:Dear US of A (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597470)

The questions is: Will the people living int he US finally elect a competent set of leaders, or will this worsening problem require an external solution? I guess another alternative would be a revolution? How many more years like this?

Many of us in the U.S. don't dare answer you the way we'd like to, because we're all being tracked and recorded. Hell, I'm worried about posting this.

Re:Dear US of A (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597222)

you wouldn't understand politics. people from third world hell holes never do

Re:Dear US of A (1)

Darfeld (1147131) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597348)

Yeah right, because American Joe understand it much better... Ho wait! Are you trying to say USA is now a third world hell hole?

Re:Dear US of A (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597432)

It's actually Joe American you philistine. Now keep being the US of A's bitch and work in my call centers.

addendum (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597574)

Dear US Entertainment Industry,

Fuck off you money grubbing whores. You'd trade blockade an entire country just becuase you think your 'entertainment' is the most important thing on the planet. FUCK YOU!

Re:Dear US of A (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597690)

We beat you filthy Mexican godparents once and we can do it again.

Blocklisting allies over SOPA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597150)

What's up with blocklisting allies over SOPA? Is it good or is it whack?

Re:Blocklisting allies over SOPA (2)

firex726 (1188453) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597252)

Except by not passing the law Spain is not seen as an Ally.

Far too often in recent history the US seems to be taking a "With us or Against us" stance when it comes to other countries internal dealings. They either do as we tell them, or else...

Re:Blocklisting allies over SOPA (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597414)

I guess that will build a nice reputation for the US gathering more alies (and keeping their present ones) while it enters a war with Iran.

With that kind of posturing, people will think twice before choosing if they cooperate with the US or China...

Re:Blocklisting allies over SOPA (0)

tomboalogo (2509404) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597738)

"Wit us or Agin us" ---- there, fixed that for you.

Innovative ? (1)

Jimpqfly (790794) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597158)

"the reputation of Spain as an innovative country" An *innovation* would be not to vote this kind of law ...

Dear Ambassador Solomont (1, Interesting)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597178)

Fuck You, you miserable conscience free tool of the MPAA and the RIAA. May the fleas of a thousand badgers infest your brain, after all, you're not using it.

Re:Dear Ambassador Solomont (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597396)

Or may one honey badger [youtube.com] rip his testicles off.

Why I love being an ex-pat living in China (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597224)

Immunity from draconian US copyright laws. Threaten China with a trade blocklist? Bwahahaha.
The local censorship is just political stuff so doesn't affect me. In fact it's quite cute.

Re:Why I love being an ex-pat living in China (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597362)

Pirated games and movies don't affect me, either. Does that mean I should shrug my shoulders and go "that's cute"? Fact is, while we should be concerned about copyright laws, it is YOU who should be MORE afraid of a country willing to censor "political stuff" You are only able to enjoy the life of an ex-pat because you have the luxury of leaving China whenever the politics do start to affect you.

Re:Why I love being an ex-pat living in China (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597410)

The local censorship is just political stuff so doesn't affect me. In fact it's quite cute.

...posted AC

In about a 20 years... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597234)

America will be the new China... everybody will hate your government, including the people who live there...

Re:In about a 20 years... (4, Insightful)

g0bshiTe (596213) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597402)

Your "in about 20 years" is more like now. I live in the US am a US citizen and I'm fed up with the way my government governs. What's worse is about all I can do to stop it is storm the capital.

Now do you understand (5, Insightful)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597238)

Why a large part of the world considers the USA to be a big bully?

And yes .. mod me to hell for that.

Re:Now do you understand (5, Insightful)

SniperJoe (1984152) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597334)

Being a big bully is one thing. It's one thing if we're a big bully on things like human rights. What's more distressing to me is that we're basically allowing the media companies to push the US into being a big bully for things that even our own citizens think is ridiculous.

Re:Now do you understand (5, Interesting)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597474)

Being a big bully is one thing. It's one thing if we're a big bully on things like human rights. What's more distressing to me is that we're basically allowing the media companies to push the US into being a big bully for things that even our own citizens think is ridiculous.

Before the media companies there were other commercial interests that pushed the US government to do their bidding. Go back to 1893 and you'll find that sugar interests were responsible for Hawaii being taken over by the US. And that is just one example.

Re:Now do you understand (5, Insightful)

inviolet (797804) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597758)

Being a big bully is one thing. It's one thing if we're a big bully on things like human rights. What's more distressing to me is that we're basically allowing the media companies to push the US into being a big bully for things that even our own citizens think is ridiculous.

Before the media companies there were other commercial interests that pushed the US government to do their bidding. Go back to 1893 and you'll find that sugar interests were responsible for Hawaii being taken over by the US. And that is just one example.

Yep. Not to mention all of the banana republics in South America, who had their approximately-democratic governments violently toppled by the CIA acting on behalf of American produce companies.

America has never been The Good Guy, it has just been a typical state out to get ahead at any cost... any cost, that is, short of allowing its citizens to discover that it is not The Good Guy.

That's why the diplomatic cable leaks are such a Big Deal, and the reason why Bradley Manning will get no popular sympathy. His revelations cause American citizens to feel cognitive dissonance ("We aren't the Good Guy? Really?")... and people deeply hate those who cause them cognitive dissonance.

I'm an American citizen and I feel ashamed about the degree to which my country has fallen to regulatory capture.

Re:Now do you understand (2)

marcosdumay (620877) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597502)

If you only threatened countries to do things that are good for their populations, those populations wouldn't think you are a bully, and would laugh every time their media or government claims so.

The reality is that rarely the US gets involved on the internals of another country to make its people better. But they get involved daily in things that makes other country's people worse.

Re:Now do you understand (3, Interesting)

aintnostranger (1811098) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597838)

For a good example of that look at US "foreign policy" on Latin America on the 20th century. We've been a playground of tactics, social and not so social experiments, etc... School of americas used some of the French guys that had tortured people in Algeria as teachers for latin american army officers. Those army officers went on to run the dictatorships that kidnapped/killed thousands. It seems US citizens are now questioning the basic goodness of their government. We stopped believing in it decades ago.

Re:Now do you understand (5, Insightful)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597844)

I'm really hoping that Google, Facebook, etc. pursue the "nuclear option" that has been discussed. It will kill SOPA almost instantly, making SOPA politically untouchable. It will also serve as a wakeup call to politicians that they were meant to serve the people, not lobbyists.

At this point, we'll have serious egg on our face for implying that another country is a "bad country" because their politicians didn't want to commit political suicide.

Re:Now do you understand (1)

g0bshiTe (596213) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597436)

I'd mod you up had I the points.

This is the reason I can't go to a foreign country to visit. I'm American and evil even though I have no control over my government. It's those assholes that are so disconnected with the population that make us all look like tools.

Re:Now do you understand (2)

DCTech (2545590) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597786)

I'd mod you up had I the points.

This is the reason I can't go to a foreign country to visit. I'm American and evil even though I have no control over my government. It's those assholes that are so disconnected with the population that make us all look like tools.

Yeah, this is actually funny thing. I'm European and I can travel to anywhere in the world and people will be happy to meet me and talk to me.

Then, I once met an ex-pat guy from U.S. that said he always has to tell people that he is from Canada because they would hate him otherwise, and that he rather does that than tell them he is from U.S.

Re:Now do you understand (1)

poity (465672) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597818)

Wait, you can't go to a foreign country because you assume they harbor group prejudice? I'd say firstly you need to stop insulting those countries, and give their people some credit (only the ignorant hate people based on nationality), and secondly you need to grow a backbone and realize you are defined by your own personal actions and not by those of your government.

Re:Now do you understand (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597570)

USA only seems like a bigger bully because it has bigger economic muscles. You can see France and Germany throwing their economic weight around to the detriment of smaller EU neighbors. You see China throwing its economic weight around to the detriment of the SEA neighbors. You see Russia throwing its economic weight around to the detriment of its former satellites. Yet these other bullies are rarely the focus of internet moralists, many of whom live in or are more affected by their proximity to those countries.

Not so fast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597764)

Don't you dare blame me for the actions of those who rule over me. It should be clear now more than ever that government and the people they assume control over are NOT the same.

If government and the people were one and the same, then logically, government wouldn't need guns and the special "right" to use them as a business model. If the people truly did want what government has to offer, then naturally, the people would voluntarily give their money to government and wouldn't need to be threatened with coercion.

Re:Now do you understand (1)

Roogna (9643) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597810)

Actually, assuming from your statement you're not in the USA you might be surprised to find out that a whole lot of people who live here also think we're a big bully and should stop. The catch is, like most countries the majority is basically apathetic at best. Which makes it difficult for those of us who -don't- like the way our government is acting to change things. Now I happily look forward to Spain hopefully having the balls to continue to stand up and -not- enact a SOPA style law. Good for them. I also challenge anyone to find -any- country in the world where the people of the country don't have to deal with any corruption in the politics of the country. If you find one let us know, because I'm sure a whole lot of people would love to move there.

sopa thug terd wld.... (0)

harvey the nerd (582806) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597246)

Spain should pack a 25 kg box of patties from the running of the bulls, send 'em FedEx.

I think its time (5, Insightful)

future assassin (639396) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597268)

to overthrow the US gov and burn down Hollywood. The two greatest threats to freedom since Hitler. Fuck em.....

Fuck America ... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597308)

I am so fucking tired of hearing how America is bullying the world into being forced into implementing legislation that is utterly flawed and is only there to serve the interests of the *AAs.

America can go fuck themselves if this is the best they've got.

Things like fair use are legal rights in other countries, but the USA is working to be sure that we all have the same lowest common denominator -- them.

I think someone should start passing laws holding the US accountable for the financial melt-down they caused, and for charging them for the implementation of the laws they've been ramming down everyone else's throats.

America has become a bunch of pathetic, whining cowards who are only worried about copyright, and making sure they can buy cheap oil.

Re:Fuck America ... (5, Insightful)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597490)

We, the People, DO NOT WANT THIS. Politicians and businessmen do. We are as powerless as you concerning these matters.

Re:Fuck America ... (2)

NatasRevol (731260) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597724)

Well, not AS powerless. But we'd have to group together, in VERY large groups, to do anything about it.

Re:Fuck America ... (5, Informative)

aintnostranger (1811098) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597932)

Powerless? You are not. Come back and tell me that after you get a big chunk of population marching on the streets and getting shot for it. In Syria people are powerless. So the government officials you guys elected don't act like they should?? Mass protest / strike till they are out of office. Until you try such things and fail you ARE NOT POWERLESS.

Re:Fuck America ... (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597936)

The problem is that democratic process has become so broken down thanks to crap like Super-PACs (basically, eliminating what remaining restrictions there were on campaign funding) that the politicians no longer serve the people.

Blacklist: How does that work? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597318)

Can the US unilaterally blacklist a trade partner? Doesn't that have to go through the WTO or something? How is it any different from saying "Cars imported from Japan have a 300% tariff?"

daily WTF ?!?! (-1, Offtopic)

armandoxxx (2484940) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597320)

BOOOO .. I'm so scared ... I'll even buy me a GM car ... actually 3 of them .. so US gov. will not ban me from their trade consortium ... to US gov. "I'll behave I promise !!!"

I'm absolutely sick of it... (5, Informative)

g0bshiTe (596213) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597324)

First I'm an American, I live in the US always have. I'm am just fed up with my government. How in the hell can they be so disconnected, and how in the hell do they expect to impose their will on other nations. Fucking hell isn't that what the initial settlers came over here to get away from?

Re:I'm absolutely sick of it... (1)

armandoxxx (2484940) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597404)

Dude .. if I were you I would delete this post .. you might end up in Guantanamo ! ;) hope to read from you again !

Re:I'm absolutely sick of it... (1)

na1led (1030470) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597546)

The world's ruling class are taking over. They don't represent America, and their goal is to reshape the world to their idiology.

Re:I'm absolutely sick of it... (2)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597852)

No. The initial settlers came over to get away from the oppression of their own religious ideals, but ended up oppressing the ideals of the nation they were settling. It's the same throughout history.

Re:I'm absolutely sick of it... (1)

Botia (855350) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597940)

It's not even our will. It's the governments grab at power. Taxing and censoring the Internet becomes much easier when you can shut sites down at will. We'll see who's going to get voted out next election.

It's pretty simple. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597344)

The US isn't producing anything, so they are just trying to force other people to suddenly value the nothing that they are exporting. Everyone should just tell the US to fuck off and maybe they would start to realize that they actually need to start producing something tangible.

Spain sent Columbus (3, Insightful)

tekrat (242117) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597354)

I find it so ironic that the USA is threatening a country that essentially found this side of the planet (admittedly, there were already people living here, but those indigenous populations are usually ignored by history books).

Secondly, exactly what items from Spain will stop being in Walmart if a trade embargo goes into place? And with "globalization", all Spain has to do is ship via a third party in a preferred trading partner status, like China or Canada.

And lastly, America is a failing empire. Apart from having a big military that they are borrowing heavily from the Chinese to pay for, they are no longer a threat. Rome lasted much, much longer, and was managed far better than the USA. A shame really.

A civil reply? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597398)

Dear United States of America,

We acknowledge your concerns over the political decisions of a sovereign state and, politely, refer you to the reply given in Arkell v. Pressdram.

Spain

The sad irony in this matter.. (5, Interesting)

Superken7 (893292) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597440)

Actually, thanks to Wikileaks we now know that the head of PROMUSICAE (the RIAA-equivalent in Spain), Guisasola, secretly pushed for having Spain included in the infamous 301 List. http://cablesearch.org/cable/view.php?id=10MADRID179 [cablesearch.org]
After Spain was finally included in that list, he claimed that being included in that list was "a national dishonor", and used this argument in order to push for Ley Sinde, the aforementioned SOPA-like law.

Only a few days ago, this law was finally passed. Most Internet users are against this law because it does not change which sites become illegal - it merely changes the *referee*. As a result, judges have been replaced by a commission whose members are privately selected by private lobbying parties (aka spain's RIAA). This might sound like something outrageous, but sadly this is exactly what has happened.
If this was not bad enough, keep in mind that this occurs right after *years* of judges ruling *in favor* of those websites that they want to take down (no hosting sites, just linking sites)

A: "Don't push it, putas", or? (1)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597458)

A: "Don't push it, putas", or?

A:"Mañana. Nos will do it mañana, gringos."

I expect the Spanish to show cojones over this.

Spain is not Mexico.

Re:A: "Don't push it, putas", or? (2)

ccguy (1116865) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597708)

I expect the Spanish to show cojones over this.

We didn't. But I see lots of comments here about the US being a bully. The problem (here) is not that the US is a bully, which isn't new, but that the Spanish government caved.
Also, to add some relevant info, this law was written with the previous government (changed last month) but passed by the new one. And this is a two party country (for being in power purposes I mean, there's lots of parties but doesn't matter much here). So you can see that we are fucked here.
Anyway - we do have a tendency to pass laws that eventually aren't enforced, so this can be just one of them. For example, and this is my car analogy, you can see what we do with traffic signs [youtube.com] .

Ok seriously, WAKE UP!!!! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597486)

The Obama administration supports indefinite detainment, preemptive use of force, the infringement of our rights, and now coercing other countries into stripping their citizens of rights.

WHEN WILL PEOPLE WAKE UP!!!!

Obama is not our savior, he is Bush the 3rd!!!!

What does he have to do to make you realize he is evil?

Occupy this, occupy that. (4, Insightful)

C_Kode (102755) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597516)

They need to stop occupying parks and what not and start occupying the front yards and offices of the politicians that are trying to impose SOPA.

These guys are dirty and are obviously getting money in their bank accounts for doing this.

The media needs to expose these guys by putting their face all over the news papers, magazines, blogs, TV, etc. Expose these political criminals and get them the hell out of office.

Deliberate? (1)

JustLikeToSay (651328) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597534)

Given the unhealthy state of the Spanish economy, what the new Govt there most needs is something to unite the country around to distract them from the austerity measures. You'd almsot think they'd put the yanks up to it ...

Rewrite that as "US threaten war with Spain" (4, Informative)

marcosdumay (620877) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597560)

As a comercial embargo is an act of war, the replaced headline would be acurate. Remember that the US is still discussing if it should embargo Iran... Now compare to the decision about Spain.

It seems like Spain needs a nuclear program.

blocklists (1)

GeorgeS (11440) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597576)

I think it's time the IT industry as a whole(worldwide) just stops buying from US tech companies.
Fuck it....let the big, rich corporations fight our battle in congress. When these big tech companies see their sales drop down near $0 they will panic and do almost anything to fix it.

I know I'll be checking out the "block lists" before I start building up another data center and with some creative shipping I can get equipment from almost anywhere in the world :)
I vote with my dollars too!

Great news for the conspiracy theorists! (5, Insightful)

pla (258480) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597590)

For everyone normally making fun of the tinfoil hat crowd, we have here nothing short of concrete proof of a vast (global?) intergovernmental conspiracy by the oligarchy to fuck... us... all.

We've discussed the technical merits (or lack thereof) of SOPA here on Slashdot numerous times, and always, the inescapable conclusion came out that we simply had Luddites and idiots for leaders. Now, we have a better, more accurate answer. Our leaders may still count as idiots, but they fully realize just how deliberately-bad a law they've crafted in SOPA.

Can you hear the drums in the distance, getting ever closer, Washington?

Maybe some will understand why... (1)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597606)

...from the distance of one ocean away, Obama doesn't look all that different from Dubya.

Ah, Brazil... (1)

sonoftheright (1372723) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597664)

Suspicion breeds confidence.

President? (1)

tommy8 (2434564) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597746)

Spain doesn't have a President

Hmm (0)

Kunax (1185577) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597804)

Can the USofA be considered a terrorist state with all there threats and bulling.

Really where the link to the Actual letter (1)

MooPi (1235436) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597834)

If there was a link to the letter or a copy of the letter included, I would consider furthering the public outcry against the Hollywood overlords. Until I get a copy of said letter this is just FUD.....

Spain's president? (1)

Meumeu (848638) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597836)

In a leaked letter sent to Spain's outgoing President

Seriously?

SOPA de gansos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38597912)

The problem here is that the Spanish government is full of clowns who prefer to make noise with stupid laws and more stupid acts than really solve our problems. It's not true that Spain is in bankrupt, ... not yet.

The former government was not very polite with the USA and they were criticized for it. But now, with a new government, an almost crashed economy, and so many desire of meet older (and still rich) friends, they will be find themselves as we say in Spain "mirando a Cuenca" ( which stands for putting your recently lubricated asshole in a non defensive position :D ). So we will do what the USA says, we will approve stupid and 20th importance order laws, and even we will let your government choose the taste of our asshole lubricant. You will see. We will be an innovative country, with a miserable budget in R&D, and with thousands of users paying the highest prices in Europe for the most crappy Internet connexion in Europe, and just for see how youtube says "Sorry, but this video contains RIAA protected music, so FUCK YOU, you can't watch it." And of course, that videos with no music downloading at the amazing speed of 30kbps just because our Internet provider limit the bandwidth for this kind of contents.

Sadly we have no so powerful enterprises (such as Google, Wikipedia, Facebook) for being able to say STOP, don't play with us or we unplug all our stuff and you will see. I really really hope that happens, so the entire world will see the power of Internet and will refuse this kind of laws.

I can see myself in 30 years saying,... aaah! Grandson, do you know how Internet was 30 years ago? It was amazing...

Responsibility (2)

trptrp (2041816) | more than 2 years ago | (#38597918)

You US citizens at some point in future will need to understand that though we don't hate you, but your government and associated corporate behaviors, you have a responsibility for who represents you. If you continue to not uphold to that responsibility it get's harder and harder to respect you. As individuals you would laugh at me since I'm probably much weaker then you. But I know that we have learned a lot through time. Your nation is really young and there's so much collective experiences you never had. Please don't make the mistake and fight for north America staying like it is. I believe in better futures for everybody.
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