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Iran Developing 'Halal' Domestic Intranet

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the taking-their-toys-and-going-home dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The WSJ reports that Iran is beginning a crackdown on Internet use by its citizens, creating new blocks against foreign content and stepping up surveillance of browsing habits. Internet cafes in Iran have 15 days to set up security cameras and start collecting information on customers, and people are finding it increasingly difficult to use social networking sites. The new restrictions are likely being implemented now to head off dissent and protests about the upcoming parliamentary elections. According to the article, 'The network slowdown likely heralds the arrival of an initiative Iran has been readying—a "halal" domestic intranet that it has said will insulate its citizens from Western ideology and un-Islamic culture, and eventually replace the Internet. This week's slowdown came amid tests of the Iranian intranet, according to domestic media reports that cited a spokesman for a union of computer-systems firms. He said the intranet is set to go live within a few weeks.'"

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Okay, that's the U.S. But what about Iran? (5, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#38608834)

creating new blocks against foreign content and stepping up surveillance of browsing habits

Sounds familiar for some reason.

Come on, elrous0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38608880)

You can do better than merely restating the obvious..

Besides, didn't you know? The internet IS the US intranet. They control it, for all intensive purposes. Who's to say they don't practically own it?

Re:Come on, elrous0 (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38608938)

So they don't control it for moderate purposes then?

Re:Come on, elrous0 (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38608950)

The phase is more commonly "for all intents and purposes".

Re:Come on, elrous0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38609162)

The phase? What phase? The phase of the moon?

Re:Come on, elrous0 (3, Funny)

Cro Magnon (467622) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609180)

I thought it was "all intensive porpoises". Though I don't understand what dolphins have to do with the US internet.

Re:Come on, elrous0 (2)

ibsteve2u (1184603) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609308)

If you ever saw Big Cable going in and out of our FCC offices, you'd know something fishy was going on.

Re:Come on, elrous0 (2)

jpapon (1877296) | more than 2 years ago | (#38608968)

The expression is "for all intents and purposes", and your statement is incorrect, the internet would still function if the USA went boom.

Re:Come on, elrous0 (4, Interesting)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609040)

Yeah, okay, that was a cheap shot. But I couldn't resist. And while the U.S. is certainly no Iran when it comes to repression, it is good to keep in mind that there is a slippery slope that's all too easy to slide down into once you get going. Right now the government/coporatocracy in the U.S. doesn't face any real threats, so it's easy to be generous with freedoms. But what would happen if something like the Occupy movement really started to gain ground and actually started shutting down cities and firebombing corporate HQ's? Would the powers-that-be hesitate to start using some of that power we've given them to start suppressing internet access here? It's already happened here at least once [wired.com] , on a smaller scale.

Re:Come on, elrous0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38609662)

But what would happen if something like the Occupy movement really started to gain ground and actually started shutting down cities and firebombing corporate HQ's? Would the powers-that-be hesitate to start using some of that power we've given them to start suppressing internet access here?

There's two ways to stop the communication: cutting the demand (as you suggest), or cutting the supply: http://rt.com/usa/news/studio-ows-revolution-global-221/

Re:Come on, elrous0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38609132)

They control it, for all intensive purposes.

Jesus wept...

Re:Okay, that's the U.S. But what about Iran? (3, Interesting)

buchner.johannes (1139593) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609088)

Check out this great and inspiring talk by the Tor project: 28c3: How governments have tried to block Tor [youtube.com]

There are more Tor users in Iran (second-largest IIRC) now than in Germany!

Re:Okay, that's the U.S. But what about Iran? (2)

erroneus (253617) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609404)

Yeah, there's a lot of pot calling the kettle black going on here isn't there? "It's only evil if they do it" seems to be the ridiculous message we are expected to accept.

But all this talk about Iran makes me ask "why is Iran an enemy of the US?" Iran is an enemy of Israel to be sure. But I would really like to see it spelled out for me one day what it is that makes them an enemy. When we are talking about China, the former Soviet Union, Cuba or the like, we can paint pictures of authoritarian governments oppressing its people and everything is black and white and/or in drab colors... human misery. This is something we can understand as "don't want." But what makes them "an enemy"? I'm actually kinda lost on that.

There's a lot of "politics" going on. Oil business, religious idealism, support of Israel, holocaust denial... you know, to me, that doesn't make someone an enemy. Iran doesn't seem to be involved in terrorism or any of the dirty ugly things we want to use when paining "enemy" on a nation. So what's really going on?

Re:Okay, that's the U.S. But what about Iran? (4, Informative)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609484)

why is Iran an enemy of the US?

Might have something to do with this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves_in_Iran [wikipedia.org]

Also, this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax [wikipedia.org]

This too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution [wikipedia.org]

Re:Okay, that's the U.S. But what about Iran? (4, Insightful)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609716)

As a US citizen you can still travel to Iran freely for business and tourism (for now). Technically they aren't an enemy (unless you buy the whole "Axis of Evil" rhetoric). The problem is that "we" don't want the Nuclear club getting any bigger, and when people say "would destabilize the region" they mean "Israel is likely to nuke Iran back to the stone age in a preemptive attack". This would cause several arab and muslim states to strongly consider nuking Israel, of note Iran and Pakistan. Syria doesn't have nukes but they wouldn't need a lot of convincing to start lobbing bombs across the border. It's a small region (think New Jersey) and they don't need to go very far.
 
If you look at the activity that's been going on lately, we sent an expensive spy drone over in to Iran, a missile research lab just outside of Tehran mysteriously exploded, and both the Chinese and the US both launched some high tech gadgetry in to space that orbits over Iran every few hours. Whatever they see down there must be pretty fucking juicy if we've talked the entire European continent to stop buying Iran's oil (1/5th of total current production) in the middle of a global recession.
 
So yeah, as always in this region there are a lot of things going on here -- Iran is a huge country (population 75 million, geographic size, wealth) with Nuclear ambitions, doesn't like Israel, and we don't want them getting the bomb. We are trying to protect Israel* via economic sanctions against Iran and stabilize the region, Iran is fighting for their ability to defend themselves and is holding the world's economy hostage.
 
*Why? This is the real question. Zionism sounds like a dirty word (it's not), but that's my guess

Re:Okay, that's the U.S. But what about Iran? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38609434)

Ahh, classic karma whoring..

Article: Country X does something silly/dumb/mean
"yeah but the US does something similar in some degree so the US sucks!" (Score:5, Insightful)

Iran continues its death spiral... (5, Insightful)

Karmashock (2415832) | more than 2 years ago | (#38608872)

Why is Iran doing this to itself? It's so needlessly self destructive. Just stop it. Behave yourself, the sanctions will come off, and we can all get along. Aggressive posturing, locking your people off from the world, and developing variants of nuclear technology best able to produce weapons grade material... what is the point of all this? Best case you'll get a bomb and then what? Hundreds of years of MAD as the rest of the world contains you? That sounds like loads of fun. If you just stopped all this we could normalize relations to everyone's benefit.

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38608890)

allahu akbar

you people do not understand, we must perform allah's will. this confuses those who do not understand. i believe that it is you all, who are in this death spiral. i weep for you.

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (2)

Nocturnal Deviant (974688) | more than 2 years ago | (#38608954)

Riveting tale old chap.

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (1, Flamebait)

jpapon (1877296) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609002)

I hate anyone and everyone who claim to have knowledge of "God's will". All that means is that they couldn't come up with a logical and reasonable explanation for their actions, so they say that "God wants it".

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (4, Funny)

Moryath (553296) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609034)

"It is God's Will."

Aww crap. So the old codger finally kicked the bucket? Did he really leave the world to the meek?

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (4, Insightful)

Karmashock (2415832) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609048)

clearly you're kidding... but the thing is that it forces our hand. We've been in a position to kill them all from the very start.That we don't is a matter of politics and morality.

But from a strictly military perspective we could wipe them out to the last screaming child.

Why poke that in the eye with a stick?

What Iran is doing slowly but surely is eroding their political and moral defenses that guard their nation from annihilation. Their military is irrelevant. It is no defense. It would be like clubbing baby seals either way. In fact, the death blow would look identical either way.

What defends Iran is the international outrage over doing such a thing unprovoked and the moral goodness of the American people to find such actions abhorrent.

What Iran is doing progressively is building justification for some sort of military action against them. And morally... they're slowly justifying some sort of strike as well. In effect, they're slowly raising the guillotine blade that when it falls... will at best strike off the head of their nation. At worst, there will be collateral damage.

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (5, Interesting)

Moryath (553296) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609248)

What Iran is doing progressively is building justification for some sort of military action against them. And morally... they're slowly justifying some sort of strike as well. In effect, they're slowly raising the guillotine blade that when it falls... will at best strike off the head of their nation. At worst, there will be collateral damage.

You fail to think of it from the perspective of the Mullahs.

What they are trying to do is get the US to react. To attack Iran, so that they can rally "the Muslim world" into a WW3-type "Islam vs The World" war that they believe to be inevitable and that they believe they will win.

These are the same assholes who have said, quite publicly and numerous times on record, that if they had access to a nuke they would have absolutely NO problem nuking Tel Aviv, and wouldn't give a crap how many Arabs they killed in Lebanon, Syria, the Palestinian territories, Jordan, and Egypt because their immediate goal of wiping out "the Jews" would be achieved, and there would still be over a billion Muslims in the world.

The "fine line" being straddled right now in international diplomacy is, how the fuck do you separate Iran from the rest of the Muslims such that when war happens, it doesn't devolve into a religious WW3?

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38609544)

The problem with that fine line is that there's no distinction, truthfully, between Iran and "the rest of the Muslims". They're commanded to do the stuff Iran does if it's possible for them to do it and to lie to us, cheat/steal from us, and rape us when it is not, There's no "moderate" Muslims out there- those you think are that are practicing Taqiyaa or they're Apostate.

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (2)

jpapon (1877296) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609258)

While I do agree that Iran is heading down a dangerous route, I don't believe that creating a domestic intranet constitutes something which "is building justification for some sort of military action against them". What a government does inside its own borders is almost always nobody else's business.

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609196)

this confuses those who do not understand.

Please inform us so way may understand your point of view.

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (4, Informative)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 2 years ago | (#38608900)

You really haven't been listening have you? The Iranians have been telling anyone who wants to listen why they are doing this. They have said that their goal is the subjugation of the entire world to Islamic rule, as understood by them.

Not the Iranians, their rulers (4, Insightful)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | more than 2 years ago | (#38608948)

You don't think that ordinary Iranians want this? Iran is run by three power blocks: the religious authorities, the "revolutionary guards" aka "just another set of Middle Eastern military rulers that have stolen the oil revenues", and the very weak civilian Government with a President who, just like a Republican candidate, has to pretend to be a religious fruitcake to keep power.

I doubt Iranians want any of this. But the three power blocks have to posture and jockey for position, and this is what happens.

Re:Not the Iranians, their rulers (1, Insightful)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609164)

Man, the Iranians have it really bad. I mean, it's not like the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches keep trying to outdo each other in new levels of stupidity over here in the good ol' U S of A!

Re:Not the Iranians, their rulers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38609346)

Eh? We have one branch here in the US, and that is called the lobbyists.

Re:Not the Iranians, their rulers (5, Insightful)

Moryath (553296) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609280)

with a President who, just like a Republican candidate, has to pretend to be a religious fruitcake to keep power.

You haven't been paying much attention to Ahmadamnutjob or his Republican counterparts lately, have you? It's obvious they actually believe their religious fruitcakery. There's no pretending involved.

Especially that Santorum guy. Wow. He's basically Ahmadamnutjob in a sweater vest.

Re:Not the Iranians, their rulers (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38609322)

That's one of the things that sadden me the most about the situation. A large portion (if not the majority) of the Iranian people are not only quite intelligent, they really don't want to pick fights with the rest of the world. I mean, yeah, I'm sure there are nuts, but it's not like we don't have our little crowd chanting "turn the Middle East into a radioactive glass crater."

Why must the crazies be the most noticeable? I think that's why they end up getting power. I'm also not just referring to Iran on this. I'm seriously at the point that I'd sooner vote for a duck before any of the politicians I have to choose from. Even slashdotters who like Obama can't deny that Biden is totally in bed with the RIAA/MPAA.

Re:Not the Iranians, their rulers (2)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609456)

Sorry if I gave the impression that I was talking about the average Iranian, I used Iranian to refer to what those in power in Iran have been saying since the Revolution.
However, I think that you overemphasize the distinction between the three power blocks. In order to have significant power in either the Revolutionary Guards or the "civilian" government you must be a member of, and have a power base within, the "religious authorities". Your summary implies that the three groups are competing for power, when in fact two of the three groups are subsets of the third that are used by members of the third in their jockeying for power within that third. Also, your description of the Revolutionary Guards is somewhat flawed. The Revolutionary Guard is a separate entity from the Iranian military. The Revolutionary Guard is really just muscle for the "religious authorities" (although well enough armed that it could, at least theoretically) stand off the actual military.

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38608974)

Please don't assume that everybody in Iran wants this. I personally know several Iranians, young people, who don't support their governments policies and neither are they religious fanatics.

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (5, Insightful)

Moryath (553296) | more than 2 years ago | (#38608994)

It's kind of an "in one ear, out the other" thing. Like when you get down into Muslim theology, the concepts of dar al-harb vs dar al-islam, the fact that Mohammed - a rapist, a pedo, not to mention a liar who repeatedly broke treaties - is the idea of the "perfect man" whose example Muslim leaders are expected to follow.

Nobody wants to believe it when they hear what comes out of the mouths of Iranian leaders, or Palestinian leaders, or Muslim Brotherhood leadership in countries like Syria or Lebanon or Egypt, because it means some pretty awful things. Kind of like how the world didn't want to think that the Nazis were REALLY that bad when Chamberlain was negotiating with them (how'd that turn out again?).

Personally, I'm not one to believe that all Muslims are bloodthirsty, nor hate-filled. But there are enough of a minority that are to do some really nasty things in the world, and it's a religion in desperate need of something akin to the Protestant Reformation that Christianity went through to inject some much-needed sense and throw out a lot of the nastier stuff.

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (2)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609500)

The Protestant Reformation injected sense and threw out 'nasty' stuff? Like what exactly? They went from burning heretics to burning witches? Oh, and the Thirty Years' War was a barrel of laughs too.

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (3, Insightful)

Moryath (553296) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609572)

Did I say it was easy? No, but the reforms that happened - and not all of them happened all at once, nor cleanly - wound up massively cleaning up the Christian religious problems. Throwing out a ton of corruption, and leading up to the rise of secularization and separation of church/state that the US, Canada, and most of Europe now take more or less for granted (Ireland/England being two notable exceptions).

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (3, Interesting)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609004)

Apparently you have not been listening. The majority of Iranians are just as pissed off about this as you, and wish their government would stop it. However, their government has more guns and the standard of living hasn't descended to levels in Egypt or Syria yet. It'll get there soon, and then they'll the latest to join the Arab Spring. The Iranian people aren't the problem.

What I'm scared of is we have Cold War 2.0 in the Middle East. With troops already in Iraq and Afghanistan, and Iran posturing in the Straights of Hormuz, it wouldn't take much to push the US to shift the carrier fleet over there and up the proposed trade embargo to a compete military blockade. I would personally not like that to happen; We've spent enough on pointless wars. However, we're dealing with political leaders who believe in religious fundamentalism. All bets on a measured and diplomatic response to any situation are off when you come up against that level of outright lunacy.

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (1)

jpapon (1877296) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609398)

With troops already in Iraq and Afghanistan

Not to be pedantic, but there are no longer US troops in Iraq.

it wouldn't take much to push the US to shift the carrier fleet over there and up the proposed trade embargo to a compete military blockade

I disagree. The USA has no desire to cut off 5% of the world's oil production, not to mention seriously pissing off the Chinese (who get 20% of their oil from Iran). The only thing that would incite a complete military blockade of Iran is a nuclear test.

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (1)

Moryath (553296) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609474)

Apparently you have not been listening. The majority of Iranians are just as pissed off about this as you, and wish their government would stop it.

And yet, every time there's a chance to show it and tell their government "knock it the fuck off", they... go to rallies calling the US the Great Satan, Israel the "little Satan", and calling for Islamic theocracy.

However, their government has more guns and the standard of living hasn't descended to levels in Egypt or Syria yet. It'll get there soon, and then they'll the latest to join the Arab Spring. The Iranian people aren't the problem.

It's actually quite funny. Of the Iranians that I've known, the two gay guys (who left to escape persecution) wish the rest of their country would grow the fuck up. The other two, a husband and wife, want to turn the US into Iran and actually want Koranic law to be an "option" alongside US law, such that the dad could force his daughter to abide by Muslim religious law and face punishments - as in, legal punishments - for disobeying his orders when she told him not to date a non-Muslim guy.

Turns out there's a funny thing in Muslim shari'a: a Muslim man can marry as many non-Muslim women as he wants, because the kids are "his property" and required to be Muslim. But a Muslim women marrying a Christian, or an Atheist, a Buddhist, or (omg noez) a Jew?

Something to think about. The plural of anecdote isn't data, but there may be quite a bit of "overstating" involved in claiming whether or not the majority of Iranian citizens support the theocracy they live in, or if they don't, how STRONG their dislike is (e.g. is it "fuck this we want it overthrown" or more of a "get a grip guys I can hold my wife's hand in public and she can have makeup/girlie night with her friends without offending Das Pedoprophet").

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (1)

Moryath (553296) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609510)

for disobeying his orders when she told him not to date a non-Muslim guy.

Curse my editing. Should have read "when she told him she wanted to date a non-Muslim guy."

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609646)

Yeah, done that a couple of times myself. I understood the point, though.

To reply to your post; I never said that Iranians didn't hate Western democracy. They can hate their current political leaders and America at the same time; They're not mutually exclusive activities. I don't know what they want, but I do know they don't want what they have right now.

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (1)

Moryath (553296) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609732)

I think that becomes the problem, though.

The majority of Iranians may "dislike" their current theocratic regime, when it stops them from doing perfectly normal, human, inconsequential things like choosing a certain haircut, or women wanting to wear makeup, or a thousand other things. But they are willing to put up with it because these are "religious authorities" telling them so. And they are willing to go along when these same religious authorities tell them that anyone not of their sect of Islam, much less anyone not Muslim, is a "lesser being" than they are, less than human even. And they would be willing to go along, at moment's notice, if there were a "war against the infidels" declared for some reason.

And even after an "Arab Spring" revolution, what would pop up? So far, we're seeing mostly Muslim Brotherhood takeovers. Human rights in those countries post-Arab Spring are getting WORSE, not better, especially for those of the minority Islamic sects or of the underground non-Muslim groups (Copts in Egypt, orthodox / catholics in Syria, and so on).

Saying "most of Iran don't like their current government" doesn't mean much when what they would replace it with really isn't any better.

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (1)

buchner.johannes (1139593) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609016)

It's not the Iranians, it's their government.

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (1)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609644)

Yes. Iran gov't found it to be very tricky business. On one side - improve education to match the standards of the developed nations. On the other side - keep people contained to Islamic dogmas.

That's just impossible: highly educated people tend to be libertarian.

But at least one thing Ayatollah got right [wikipedia.org] is to not try to forcefully prevent the brain drain nor prosecute or condemn those willing to leave Iran.

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38609182)

their goal is the subjugation of the entire world to Islamic rule

versus subjugation of the entire world to US corporations.

"There is no democracy. There is only IBM, and ITT, and AT&T, and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide, and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today." (The network, 1976).

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38608932)

Why is Iran doing this to itself?

Because the theocrats are in control. The Mullahs, if you will.

Behave yourself, the sanctions will come off, and we can all get along. Aggressive posturing, locking your people off from the world, and developing variants of nuclear technology best able to produce weapons grade material... what is the point of all this?

The point is, as with all despotic regimes, control of "their people." There's a major flaw here in failing to take into the lengths to which a despotic regime (theocrat or not) will go to in holding on to power and eliminating dissent. Iran is following in the long line of despots before them - Castro, Kim Jong Il, Mao, Pol Pot, Genghis Khan, Stalin, Lenin, and of course the one they revere most, Mohammed.

This isn't to say that there aren't good people who happen to be Muslim in the world, or even to say that most Muslims are violent. But Mohammed created a religion that divides the world into "us" and "not-us" (dar al-Islam and dar al-Harb) with a primary mode of interaction consisting of antagonism and violence, and that's the perspective by which the Iranian theocrats view anyone who isn't of their particular sect of Islam.

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (2, Insightful)

jpapon (1877296) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609114)

But Mohammed created a religion that divides the world into "us" and "not-us" (dar al-Islam and dar al-Harb) with a primary mode of interaction consisting of antagonism and violence

That sounds like Christianity for most of it's history... until separation of church and state prevented Christianity from starting more wars.

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (2)

Moryath (553296) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609296)

You may be right, but that doesn't make the analysis of how the leadership of Iran operates any less valid, does it?

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (5, Insightful)

Coeurderoy (717228) | more than 2 years ago | (#38608960)

First what is good for the majority of iranian is not necessarely good for the current leadership..
Second foreign influence in Iran do not have a very good track record, so it is not "that tempting".

You can look at the situation in North Korea where it's even crazier, but obviously there are enough people benefiting to control the rest.

And maybe closer to your home: why are the US doing this to itself ? It's so needlessly self destructive. Just stop it. Behave yourelf, you do not need to put 1% of your adult population in prison, and rob the rest of all their saved, current and future cash with shemanigans like subprime financing, inflated student loans, etc.. what is the point of all this ? Best case a couple of manager get more money that they could possible spend in their lifetime, and then what ? Hundreds of years of eroding of civil liberties while the rest of the work shakes it's head ? That sounds like loads of fun. If you stopped all this you could have a nice life and everyone benefit..
And you know what ... not gonna happen real soon now ...

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38609108)

The US problems are nothing like the problems in Iran. US problems stem from greedy people just being greedy. Iran problems stem from morons believing in horrible ideas that are illogical and tend to violate human rights. Really, like the fucking heavens opened up and a voice boomed out that said "LOCK DOWN YOUR INTERNETS BECAUSE I SAID SO" Religion is poison. If you spend time obsessing about it, you are tainted.

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (1)

shentino (1139071) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609224)

As far as I'm concerned, no deity would stand for its blessed creations being stifled.

If Allah blessed them with brains, why would he then command they be restrained?

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (2)

Coeurderoy (717228) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609508)

It is exactly the same thing, agreed life in Iran is worse than in the US, but there are much less differences than you think between the ideas of the majority of the US citizens and Iranian citizens.

"The voices said" : Homosexuality is really very very bad, nonono => no to gay mariage in the US, being gay is " choice" (yea after all they could just all because priest and not have sex...), etc ... in Iran the government offers "free" operations to "solve the problem.
"The voices said": Drugs are bad, ok in Iran they added Alcohol to the list, but there is no difference between an Teheran middle class guy calling his dealer for a bottle of booze and the New York citizen calling his dealer to bring come weed (in both case the quality is probably dismal).
Etc....

And the voices didn't say : "make your internet halal", ..
The voices said: "think of the children" ... and created DCMA and SOPA or DAVSI & LCN & HADOPI etc...

At the end it is all the same, and only a difference in levels...

And we should stop "fighting for democracy", but focus on freedom..., not that freedom is really possible in a sustainable way without democracy, but democracy is not a recipe for individual freedom and human rights...

The majority of the people in the world believe that an atheist or any person that is not following a very short list of "approved" religions is "bad", they also believe that your sexuality should follow their norms, they believe that being of "their country" is something "special" that you need to be proud of it (independently of having done anything to be part of the country or for the country).
So only we need to hammer into their brain that if they want to have some level of happiness and comfort: other people have to be free to be really weird, disgusting, etc... it's none of their business ...

Democracy will follow probably, ...

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (1)

shentino (1139071) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609210)

It's interesting.

In both cases, the citizens are being ass-raped by the government.

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (2)

jbmartin6 (1232050) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609260)

You could ask this about all the stupid things any government does. Replace Iran with Soviet Union and you get pretty much the same questions. Or North Korea. My opinion is that governments are not run for the benefit of the people, so it is easy to understand.

Re:Iran continues its death spiral... (1)

arielCo (995647) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609502)

It's rather the theocrats doing it to Iran, for their own benefit. They know that it's better to be kings amid misery than having the country prosper and kick them out of power.

on an intranet far far away (5, Insightful)

A10Mechanic (1056868) | more than 2 years ago | (#38608876)

The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.

Re:on an intranet far far away (1)

Theophany (2519296) | more than 2 years ago | (#38608912)

You sir, have made my afternoon.

Re:on an intranet far far away (1)

alphatel (1450715) | more than 2 years ago | (#38608926)

Truly, a "Halal Mary" towards cyberspace.

Re:on an intranet far far away (1)

SJHillman (1966756) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609006)

Can I pilot the Millennium Camel?

Re:on an intranet far far away (2)

buchner.johannes (1139593) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609044)

This is going to be a golden age for Iranian hackers ... just imagine the magnitude of bugs reimplementing the internet!

Aside from the fact that the average person might not have a computer. And that they might get beaten/imprisoned/killed for hacking.

Not a "crackdown" (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38609082)

The word "crackdown" implies that the victim is doing something wrong or immoral in the first place. Same as when the US government begins a "crackdown" on peaceful protestors, or medical marijuana patients, or people who enjoy modifying the electronics they rightfully own, or any of a thousand other victimless "crimes" created out of thin air -- the term "crackdown" attempts to tilt the scales of public opinion in favor of those imposing the "crackdown". It's pure propaganda.

So let's call a spade a spade here: the correct term is oppression, not "crackdown". In this particualr example, the Iranian government is oppessing the iranian people's human right to free association, not "cracking down" on it. Why? Because that human right was given to them by human nature, which preceded organized coercion (goverment) -- not the other way around.

Re:on an intranet far far away (2)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609184)

I look forward to the new technologies that will result from this.

They take away the arms in Poland during WW2, and the Polish build bombs, guns, and APCs (!) in their garages and basements.

They take away the Internet in a country full of energetic, intelligent youths like Iran and we'll instead have coders working on a sophisticated darknet that is easy to use and difficult to track. Stuff like Tor and Freenet are nice but neither can be called user friendly or efficient.

Re:on an intranet far far away (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38609374)

Is this really the best Slashtards can do anymore? Wow. Just wow.
 
Guys, the Star Wars memes really need to die.

Iran has accepted SOPA (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38608902)

and has begun implementing it. The corporations will be pleased!

Re:Iran has accepted SOPA (0)

Coeurderoy (717228) | more than 2 years ago | (#38608980)

I would like to mod to funy :-)

The good news (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38608910)

The good news is that soon, we may have some left over IPv4 again.

Re:The good news (4, Funny)

geekmux (1040042) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609098)

The good news is that soon, we may have some left over IPv4 again.

True. Also think of the speed on this new intranet. Shit ought to be ungodly fast with only three people using it...death to freedom and buffering!

Eventually self-defeating. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38608920)

This gives a strong signal that your ideology doesn't stand up to whatever else is out there. Alright, so it's strongly worded against "the west", for which read American Freedom And Liberty And Democracy (And Republicanism) And Commercialised Happiness For All[tm], which is strongly evangelised by the world's highest tech army, navy, and air force. Before you bristle: Yes, there is a strong case to be made that it is in fact an ideology with religious fervour backing it to match. The lot of you aren't nearly as Christian as you think, you're American[tm] first. Bristle on.

The point, however, is that ultimately such a strong signal of negativism will be self-defeating. They're defining themselves as something they are not, instead of as something they are. The more they have to denounce most of the world to keep to their way, the more of their people will stray from that way and find other ways to life fulfullment. And it leaves lots of attack angles for competing ideologies. Nevermind the Universal Declaration Of Human Rights, that's just the pry-bar. The more you clam up, the more others will poke at you.

Re:Eventually self-defeating. (2)

jpapon (1877296) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609144)

The lot of you aren't nearly as Christian as you think, you're American[tm] first. Bristle on.

I don't know many Americans who would bristle at that. Most Americans strongly believe that "Americanism" is an ideology and way of life, and back it with religious fervor. Most Americans would agree with the statement "We're right, they're wrong" with virtually no hesitation.

halal://persianbabes.allah (5, Funny)

Average_Joe_Sixpack (534373) | more than 2 years ago | (#38608934)

in terms of popularity halal will rank above gopher but below telnet

Re:halal://persianbabes.allah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38609018)

I've already registered halal://upchador.persianbabes.allah. See a totally hot content preview here [wikimedia.org] .

Re:halal://persianbabes.allah (1)

AbrasiveCat (999190) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609754)

Hey, the 12 of us who still use gopher object. (Did you even know there is a swell Gopher server for OS/2. It rocks.)

Work around. (1)

arthurpaliden (939626) | more than 2 years ago | (#38608952)

Wear a burka.

Atheism (1, Interesting)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 2 years ago | (#38608982)

will insulate its citizens from Western ideology and un-Islamic culture

No wonder atheism is on the rise. Religion was a great idea a thousand years ago, but it's time it was consigned to the history books.

Re:Atheism (3, Informative)

Spad (470073) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609070)

"Religion" in this context is just a means of control; you can't do that because God says so, you must do this because God says so and you can't question God's word so get off Facebook. I'm willing to bet that the Mullahs won't restrict themselves to this "halal" Irannet, no, they'll need to be able to check on all that corrupting, un-islamic content to make sure it's still out there and all corrupty - you know, for the good of the people.

Religion is a tool, it can be used for good or evil, help people or harm them, but in general when people in power get hold of it they move firmly into the "harm" category.

This is what comes from clerics making law (4, Insightful)

Jawnn (445279) | more than 2 years ago | (#38608992)

And I mean clerics of every stripe and color. Once you've empowered people with the weight of "the word of gawd", allowing them to govern based on that authority is a recipe for suffering and injustice. It has always been so, and it always will be. The world will be a far, far better place when we can tell all the believers to STFU about what everyone else must do and to focus more on walking their own spiritual path.

Here coems the next one (1)

JustNiz (692889) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609058)

So Iran is going to be the next state where the people finally have had enough and overthrow the overbearing dictatorship.
You'd think these dictators would get a clue from recent history and simply ease up a little instead of getting deposed by a popular revolution (and usually executed) but they never seem to get it.
Have the freedom protests started in Iran yet?

Re:Here coems the next one (1)

dintech (998802) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609092)

They kind of tried a little bit already and got totally stomped on.

Wrong name (3, Interesting)

mseeger (40923) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609076)

They should call it "Crackdown on Internet Piracy" and they would become best buddys with some congressmen.

The current political elite is loosing it's grip. So it is only natural that they start fighting. Same here, same there.

Re:Wrong name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38609174)

What? You don't become friends with conressmen because you want to crackdown on internet piracy, you become friends with them because you give them money.

Re:Wrong name (1)

Nidi62 (1525137) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609240)

The current political elite is loosing it's grip. So it is only natural that they start fighting. Same here, same there.

No they aren't. The political elite in every government, every society has always had infighting, ranging from "office politics" (for lack of a better term) to outright armed struggle. And it isn't even limited to government. The political elite (or its equivalent) in any organization have infighting to some extent. Its human nature: there is always the desire to consolidate power or wield as much authority as possible. As long as there are multiple elite in an organization, the amount of power that can be wielded by any one individual is limited. It is not a new thing, nor does it signal that the elite is losing it's power. And it is not necessarily a bad thing either. If the form of conflict is to try and garner more votes than the other person, then the average person may benefit by seeing better legislation proposed, or more jobs coming their way. Hell, Congress has been fighting over pork-barrel for years. That is infighting to gain more power in Congress to ultimately gain more votes so that they can stay in power longer.

Re:Wrong name (2)

mseeger (40923) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609352)

IMHO: The internet is as destructive for the current form of politics as for the music industry. If we will have a free internet, ways and means of politics are changing massively and render most political capital of the current political generation meaningless.

Since they start to realize it, they start fighting the free internet. Just my POV.

Coming soon to the US (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38609086)

With SOPA and NDAA, we'll be seeing the exact same thing in the US, as the government continues its efforts to make the internet "Read-Only"

This is not good, (2)

3seas (184403) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609130)

This can only work towards continuing the psychopathic elite control over people and causing problems that otherwise would not exists.

It is by the people of the planet talking with each other that the power of the psychopathic elite lose their power over the people, as the people find there are no ghost in the closet or monsters under the bed in reference to people around the world.

Such censorship and control need to be deteriorated in every way possible..... As a matter of peace.

When you see "US", "China", "IRAN" etc., in the news in terms of insinuating all they people of that country...... you are being lied to. i.e. US is going to war... does not mean the people, but rather the few who think they are a country called the United States and lied their way into a position of commanding war.

The mass majority of the people of this planet are to busy living their daily lives to have time for war. Its only the few who play their game at the expense of the rest of us. And they need to be ended.

Pronunciation? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38609166)

Is it like the holla guy from chappelle show?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJMD5R8stRc

And the US ally KSA might do ... (4, Insightful)

Coeurderoy (717228) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609206)

... the same, oups wait, no they never had an open Internet.

Iran is on the Internet since approx: 95/96 (ok at that time they had about 19200b/s to connect them to the university of vienna...
KSA started to authorise Internet only around 2001 and only after they had installed a "country firewall"....

But all this shows that Internet is a tool, not a "solution"... Internet does NOT "route around sensorship", people do using the tools at hand, and it is not easy because the means of sensorship are many...

Making in country hosting very expensive and throttling international internet access are the most comment means...
Manipulating the search engine, either because you own it, or through various "preservation" laws another...
Make laws about what you are allowed to say is an all time favorite..

The Jim Crow laws have been repelled, including the laws forbidding to critisize them, but equivalent laws about drug policies, Intellectual properties policies, etc... abound in all the world...
With the effect that even with an "open internet" the info might "be there", but no local person therefore no "locally connected" person can point to it... (thing thai monarchy for an example concerning another "ally")

Only civic movements can change things, and even then "your mileanage might vary", (see the result of the "arab spring", now the new arab winter...)

Good video on governments blocking Tor (2)

FunkyELF (609131) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609216)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX46Qv_b7F4

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has done what the CIA couldn't (1)

GrpA (691294) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609236)

He's convinced every young person in Iran to hate the regime...

GrpA.

Wasn't this the last straw in Egypt? (2)

joshamania (32599) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609246)

If I'm not mistaken...and I think this came from the PBS/Frontline eppy about it...wasn't the Mubarak regime's decision to cut the internet the last straw in their revolution? That is...when the cut the internet...things really blew up. Pissed the ppl off big time.

The US "Capitalist" Version (4, Interesting)

Required Snark (1702878) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609250)

Just go back to the previous Slashdot post http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/01/06/004211/ap-and-28-news-groups-to-collect-fees-from-aggregators [slashdot.org] .

In Iran, they build a halal closed internet. Here in the US they let the entrenched media conglomerates control the flow of information by abusing civil law to maintain a de facto cartel.

Iran has a state enforced religious code, in the US they privatize the enforcement to self serving corrupt economic interests that want to maintain the status quo by eliminating competition. Without meaningful competition there is no functioning capitalism.

The difference in only in the execution, not the result. The US version is more sophisticated, and the Iranian version is more crude. That's about it.

BBS again... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38609476)

why not completely disable the internet and setup dialup BBSs....

The Satanic Technology (2)

davide marney (231845) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609530)

creating new blocks against foreign content and stepping up surveillance of browsing habits.

. OK, which Satanic US corporation has the contract to deliver this technology and support it?

No more viagra spam? (1)

ubrgeek (679399) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609534)

Instead mailboxes will be filled with email promising the fastest delivery of pork products.

Security cameras? (1)

PPH (736903) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609648)

I predict a sudden increase in the wearing of niqabs or burqas in Iran. By both women and men.

And.....? (2)

confuscan (2541066) | more than 2 years ago | (#38609706)

Iran is pursuing the same approach as China. Rather than block social media sites, leverage their citizen's desire for them by replacing them with similar state-approved (sic - controlled) duplicates. Nothing new. I would be more interested in what Western technologies are making this possible, a more interesting discussion for Slashdot.
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