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Starting at $500K for the hardware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38651162)

And how many millions is the annual licensing and support?

Re:Starting at $500K for the hardware (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38651244)

Silly, all oracle support prices can be found by integrating the price of the hardware between 0 and the current year.

Re:Starting at $500K for the hardware (1)

elrusoloco (737386) | more than 2 years ago | (#38654196)

22% of what you pay initially, annually. Just like everything else Oracle sells. Quit being a dick.

Death & doom.... (1)

vikingpower (768921) | more than 2 years ago | (#38651246)

...I forecast for the magnificent Hadoop project, if and when they "partner" with Oracle. Nothing will come of it but bigger yachts for Larry E., mark my sad words.

Re:Death & doom.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38651480)

Indeed. Larry Ellison's an ex CIA partner and his job consists mainly in making sure that government is aware of anyone relevant and getting paid a huge amount to do it. He couldn't give a hoot about computing or innovation or pretty much anything. He is a real life Hank Scorpio but he lets other branches of government do the horrible killing.

Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? (4, Insightful)

nomad63 (686331) | more than 2 years ago | (#38651292)

Ellison's strategy sounds too much like, that of Redmond's finest. Problem is, Oracle is getting too big in the datacenter landscape. He has oracle, which is the de-facto database for most any organization who wants accountability and have money to spend. He has hardware (SUN) which still has the biggest footprint in data centers after X86. He has Oracle Linux which is, for all intents and purposes, Red-Hat EL. The only thing he did not have was something to handle large, unstructured data, likes of TereData and Cloudera/Hadoop is serving it on a silver platter. Who is going to stop the Oracle wave, I don't know. Oracle is becoming a monopoly, much worse than Google or Microsoft in my opinion. Where are the regulators who blocked the AT&T and T-Mobile merger (Kudos to them by the way). We need them right here, right now.

Re:Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? (2)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 2 years ago | (#38651368)

He has oracle, which is the de-facto database for most any organization who wants accountability and have money to spend

I don't know what universe you live in, buddy, but a few big companies running a single oracle database does NOT make it "de-facto". Of all of my professional experience, along with all of the colleagues I've had, EVERYONE steers clear of Oracle. I've seen a single Oracle database in production at Heinz/Del Monte, and there was a "shadow" database in MS SQL Server, synched daily, because no one wanted to deal with the Oracle database server (It's old... NULL and '' are equal?!?!).

Re:Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38651430)

The government uses almost exclusively oracle solutions

Re:Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? (2)

Amouth (879122) | more than 2 years ago | (#38651604)

ERP's are more and more relying on Oracle - i know SAP uses it almost exclusively.. sure they say they support others but in reality it is far harder to get it running well on anything but Oracle that it should just be considered what is supported.

As markets grow and products get refined - the company that is most efficient survives (ignore government driven ones on that). And ERP's are what will allow them do to it. as more ERP's move to Oracle - more companies will be moved into Oracle..

While you may say a single Oracle DB in production doesn't mean much.. it isn't about the number of instances or even the size - but the value to the company of the information it stores in that DB. In your case i'd have to ask.. what information was so valuable that it was worth setting up and MSSQL instance JUST to shadow it to make available? Oracle is working to get the FI and CO data locked up - after that other things will have to attach to it and eventually will live inside it..

Re:Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38652240)

ERP's are more and more relying on Oracle - i know SAP uses it almost exclusively.. sure they say they support others but in reality it is far harder to get it running well on anything but Oracle that it should just be considered what is supported.

You missed SAP acquireing Sybase [wikipedia.org] in May-July 2010. Don't expect Oracle remaining home ground for SAP apps.

Re:Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? (1)

nomad63 (686331) | more than 2 years ago | (#38659852)

After Oracle went after SAP consulting and sue them for any kaka-meme reason, there obviously is a bad blood between them and SAP is trying to be not so dependent on oracle. But it is very hard if not totally impossible to convince all their customers to switch the underlying db. Same thing with HP, after announcing last year that oracle will no longer be developed for itanium h/w.

Too ad, so sad, but both companies sold themselves to oracle in its day. Now is the time to pay the piper. Now, hadoop is getting into the same situation. Good luck to them.

Re:Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? (1)

Amouth (879122) | more than 2 years ago | (#38690690)

i did miss that - although i still think it will take some doing for SAP to coerce existing installs to move.. maybe if they do ECC7 in the next 10 years they can push their own DB with it.

Re:Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38651610)

If you've only seen a single Oracle database in production, your professional experience may be lacking (a.k.a. Not Enterprise Ready).
Or it could be that you're in a profession that doesn't deal with databases at all and therefore shouldn't be bashing Oracle databases as you obviously haven't had any experience with them.

Not trolling just pointing out the facts

Re:Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#38651634)

he lives in this universe. but he should have noted "who wants accountability but doesn't actually GET any accountability". choosing oracle is supposed to be a safe bet, like "nobody ever got fired for choosing ibm". of course it's pretty much bullshit, just going with oracle doesn't guarantee anything about how the applications are going to hammer it nor if it's going to be configured right.

governmental budgets are quite often spent on oracles, instead of hiring a guy to configure whatever other db to actually work.

Re:Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38655836)

(caveat I'm another one of those Oracle employees, although only because of a recent buyout) I've been doing consulting work at many large clients for quite a few years, and nearly all of those used Oracle DB on the back ends, with a smattering of DB2 based enterprises. Only at the very smallest of clients have I ever seen MS SQL being used, and that never seemed to turn out well. I think MS SQL is geared more towards the small business. Granted, most of the clients I was at were fortune 500 types, which means they had a real IT budgets, so had actual DB admins to maintain the DB. MSSQL is aimed at those who don't want to bother themselves with trying to maintain a high-performing DB.

Re:Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38657174)

You sir, are a flat out liar.

Re:Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? (1)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 2 years ago | (#38657420)

Not only is your wold view obviously skewed, but I have to agree with the Anon poster that you are a liar. InfoSys, Unilever, Microsoft, Del Monte, Pepsi, P&G, Mars, GE, Sharp, only to name a very few have nothing to do with Oracle (run away!) and exclusively use MS SQL server. You stink of troll.

Re:Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? (1)

nomad63 (686331) | more than 2 years ago | (#38659804)

If anybody is telling you, an enterprise can be run on MS-SQL server, other than being a back-end to the MS-Exchange server, I'd suspect the decision making authority of the IT department. Like most anyone else but you and your anonymous cohort are purporting, it is not the number of databases a company runs, it is the value of the data that DB holds is what makes the difference. Don't tell me that an MS Exchange back end database(s) (in most cases it is plural because it can not scale well), is equal in value with respect to the oracle db holding the company financial information or the ERP system. Even you can not be this ignorant.

Paint it red (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38651532)

In the 70s, you used to not make mistakes by choosing IBM, painted yourself blue all over.
About the same nowadays, except for the color.
Even as an evil minion (I work for Oracle), I can see it beginning to be a problem.

Re:Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? (1)

jbolden (176878) | more than 2 years ago | (#38652094)

How is this is a monopoly? I think you mean conglomerate.

Re:Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? (1)

nomad63 (686331) | more than 2 years ago | (#38659810)

to-may-toh , to-mah-to....
need I say more ??

Re:Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? (1)

jbolden (176878) | more than 2 years ago | (#38660552)

No you don't. If you don't think the distinctions between types of businesses are important, and still want to comment on business...

Need. More. Coffee. (0)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | more than 2 years ago | (#38651388)

When I first read that I thought it said Caldera. I was thinking, Zombie SCO has risen and joined forces with Oracle? What's next? Voting republican?

Tim Horton's, you have failed me!

Nonsense, no such "Red Hat Lesson" (4, Interesting)

iggymanz (596061) | more than 2 years ago | (#38651540)

Oracle's Linux is Red Hat Linux, they add some GPL licensed improvements. Anyone is free to use those, that includes Red Hat. I work as migrator/integrator/architect for a VAR with clients some of whom have IT budgets over $1 billion, I've not yet seen anyone use Oracle's Linux to run Oracle's wares (or anything else, for that matter), all choose Red Hat (some Centos too)

Re:Nonsense, no such "Red Hat Lesson" (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38651936)

(caveat - I work for Oracle)

The reason to use Oracle EL instead of RH is that RH refuses to put a number of bug fixes into place for Oracle products. Oracle submitted thousands (yes, thousands) of bug fixes and were ignored by RH. If you want to run Oracle on RH, run OEL. I've seen many customers who get really mad at Oracle because something doesn't work correctly on RH. There is nothing Oracle can do except recommend a different OS vendor

Re:Nonsense, no such "Red Hat Lesson" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38652604)

I've seen many customers blindly told by Oracle that there "was an OS error, please call the vendor for a healthcheck" without any evidence of such. Then the finger pointing game begins and it's up to the OS vendor to teach Oracle AND the customer how computers and troubleshooting work.

Re:Nonsense, no such "Red Hat Lesson" (3, Interesting)

C3ntaur (642283) | more than 2 years ago | (#38653138)

Examples, please. Can you give us at least a few links to these in Red Hat's Bugzilla?

Re:Nonsense, no such "Red Hat Lesson" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38654414)

Plus, you get that fantastic support Oracle has been known for......

Re:Nonsense, no such "Red Hat Lesson" (1)

iggymanz (596061) | more than 2 years ago | (#38655792)

no one I know has that problem, and we're talking data centers of one of the U.S. largest cities plus some state government departments

Oracle 11g certified on RHEL 6 yet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38652018)

I don't think so. Will it ever be certified? Not so sure.

Re:Oracle 11g certified on RHEL 6 yet? (1)

BigZee (769371) | more than 2 years ago | (#38652384)

Probably not. Certainly ASMLIB isn't going to be certified for RHEL 6 yet and isn't likely to be. As the posted article seems to imply, Oracle would rather you use their product and in this case they would rather you licensed Oracle Linux and not RHEL.

Re:Oracle 11g certified on RHEL 6 yet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38654512)

Which is why a large bank I know of is moving wholesale away from Oracle in favor of MS SQL. Not the target choice I would make, but for them it makes sense (1/7th the licensing costs, and appropriate for about 95% of what they're doing). Oracle's price gouging, attempted vendor lockin, attempted force-feeding of solaris by refusing to commit to certifying 11g on Red Hat 6.x weighed heavily in this decision. Ellison's just another Bill Gates wannabe ... sianara...

Re:Oracle 11g certified on RHEL 6 yet? (1)

iggymanz (596061) | more than 2 years ago | (#38655808)

IBM DB2 is a far superior product to Oracle's DBMS, faster and much less money

Re:Nonsense, no such "Red Hat Lesson" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38652286)

This may change as ASMlibs is no longer part of RHEL6.

Sure... we should all use udev instead, but this signposts the future direction that Oracle is taking with regards what is allowed to run the database software.

Re:Nonsense, no such "Red Hat Lesson" (1)

jdbuz (962721) | more than 2 years ago | (#38654826)

(Caveat - I work for Oracle too) Anytime you hear that someone is using one of these big Exadata machines, they are using Oracle Linux. See: http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/features/exadata-196883.html [oracle.com]

Re:Nonsense, no such "Red Hat Lesson" (1)

iggymanz (596061) | more than 2 years ago | (#38655780)

Hi Oracle boy. Funny, none of my clients wants to run one of those either.......

Cloudera's Hadoop ????? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38652692)

Hadoop is an Apache project. Cloudera simply bundles Apache's Hadoop in their bundled product.
The Linked article has NO reference to Cloudera at all.
Cloudera offers a lot of training and their own certification in Hadoop for what it is worth, but to the best of my knowledge there is NO Cloudera's Hadoop

Google's MapReduce patent (1)

Raenex (947668) | more than 2 years ago | (#38654932)

Too bad Google licensed [theregister.co.uk] their MapReduce patent to Apache Hadoop. It would have been a nice stick to beat up Oracle with.

Hadoop Is Obsolete (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38655390)

Everybody is coding in Fadoop now.

'Partnering' With Oracle? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38655414)

Want to know what it feels like to 'partner' with Oracle. Drop your pants and grab your ankles. I'll show you how it feels.....

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