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Is AT&T Building the Ultimate Walled Garden?

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the you-can-checkout-any-time-you-like-but-you-can-never-leave dept.

Cloud 102

itwbennett writes "The announcement earlier this week that AT&T joined OpenStack was greeted with much fanfare (of the 'woo hoo for open source' variety). But dig into why AT&T decided to sign up for OpenStack and things get a lot more interesting. 'AT&T is about to take on Amazon's EC2 and S2 cloud services, and OpenStack's technology is going to be the engine that drives it,' writes blogger Brian Profit. 'Leaving aside the potential problems for user privacy here — and oh, there are many to be addressed to be sure — a plan such as this would represent a stunning coup for AT&T, since they would be able to provide the one thing Apple and Google have not been able to have in their respective plans to own the entire stack: the network on which all communications must flow.'"

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How is this different? (0, Troll)

DCTech (2545590) | more than 2 years ago | (#38669328)

How is this different

How is this different from when Google uses open source? There's a great article about the supposed openness by Google here [seobook.com]

Some good points from it:

 

Where Google is losing you can count on them pushing the open label in order to build momentum & destroy the asymmetrical information advantages of existing market leaders. But where Google leads non-transparency is the norm.

- At the same time Google is trying to push social sites to offer transparent data, they decided to block some Google search referral data (unless you are paying for the clicks, then you get that data).

- When planning some of the features behind Google+ one of their employees wrote a book about the social circles concept with Google's blessings. Then, after he wrote the book, Google revoked permission to publish it! [thinkoutsidein.com]

- Android is open but internal Google emails revealed that carriers were getting wise to Google using compatibility as a club.

- The Panda update was needed to rid the web of garbage content. And yet Google is pre-paying Demand Media to post videos on YouTube. Since the Panda update downstream Google traffic to YouTube has more than doubled & YouTube is serving over a trillion streams per year!

- In spite of not having permission to do so, Google has been scanning books for nearly a decade now. Yet whenever Google goes to court they try to get the court documents sealed so that their statements couldn't be used against them.

If you only had to manage competing against other market competitors & staying inside Google's editorial guidelines then investment isn't that difficult, but if you have to stay within Google's guidelines in the short term yet try to build a business that is sustainable even after Google enters & destroys the market it is far more difficult.

A Self-serving Bias You Can Count On
When Google enters a market it might buy out a competitor, buy out a supplier, bundle, use predatory pricing [brianshall.com] , grant themselves superior search placement, adjust the relevancy algorithms and/or editorial guidelines, violate IP [techcrunch.com] , scrape 3rd party content, work with sketchy advertisers [fool.com] & publishers to undermine competing business models, or any combination of the above.

They are rarely transparent with their interests when they enter a market. Almost everything is labeled as "a beta" and "just a test." They promise to "act appropriately" [bloomberg.com] & you may not be aware of the steamroller until you are under it.

Google can bundle themselves into markets [thenextweb.com] , but when others do the same it is a big no no [wsj.com] :
 

A Google spokesman said "applications that are installed without clear disclosure, that are hard to remove and that modify users' experiences in unexpected ways are bad for users and the Web as a whole."

Google's founding research highlighted how bad ad-driven search engines were [seobook.com] & then Google's core revenue engine of paid search was built on their violation of Overture's patent [cnet.com] . They keep buying swaths of patents [seobythesea.com] to protect against their other violations [blogspot.com]
.

The business model of "violate & then buy protection" has helped lead to a protection-racket styled marketplace in patents that makes the risk of innovation for smaller players so expensive that it drives them under.

Their "quality content" thesis could have come across as being honest if they weren't still pre-paying Demand Media to upload "content" to YouTube [seobook.com] .
 

I suggest you read the whole article. It tells you about the very dark side of Google.

Re:How is this different? (5, Insightful)

leoplan2 (2064520) | more than 2 years ago | (#38669370)

I suggest you read the whole article. It tells you about the very dark side of Google.
As if all other companies were honest, and they don't have a very dark side. Troll harder

Re:How is this different? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38669390)

My two cents is that a plan such as this would be a coup for AT&T, since they would be able to provide the one thing Apple and Google have not been able to do.

Re:How is this different? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38672554)

No trolls are trolling trolls now? Cause both of you are trolling hard.

Protip 1: How exactly does other companies being evil make Google's actions OK, or how does it make it wrong to mention those actions?
Protip 2: In case you didn't know it: Somebody, out of the blue, defending somebody else, even though nobody felt attacked, nothing felt wrong and nobody objected to it... that is a perfect indicator of the defender (in this case, that would be you) being A) a fanboy of that somebody else (here: Google), and B) being very insecure about himself and so feeling an irrational need to defend everything, even when the attacks were only imaginary. (Not at all usual for geeks, but still a sad sad failure.)

I guess you were too caught up in your own irrational emotions, but: You only made yourself look bad with that comment. So bad in fact, that if you were my horse, I'd have to shoot you now.

Correction:s/^No/^So/; s/ usual/ UNusual/ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38672568)

#include <MOARcoffee>
s/^No/^So/; s/ usual/ UNusual/

Re:How is this different? (1, Insightful)

Anthony Mouse (1927662) | more than 2 years ago | (#38669462)

Go away, troll. Nobody is going to read a post that long full of one-sided astroturf, so all you're succeeding in doing is inhibiting people from having a discussion about the actual subject of the article.

Re:How is this different? (0)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 2 years ago | (#38669552)

Hmmmm, very high userID, massive first post with many links and presenting a rather one sided argument, fresh smell of grass clippings in the air.

I think I smell some astroturfing coming from a shill.

Re:How is this different? (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#38673682)

The shills are out in force today, and what's more they have mod points, so if your karma's not excellent, be careful.

Slashdot, PLEASE bring back the old style metamoderation! It did far better at keeping mod points out of the hands of shills, trolls, and idiots.

What I'd like to know without actually clicking that IT World link (I hate that web site) is how is AT&T building a walled garden using open source, and how is that the "ultimate" walled garden? Does that mean that after AT&T's garden there will be no more walled gardens? Does it affect their smartphone service only, or does it include their home internet delivery?

TFS is short on info, and in the past I've found IT World to be pretty info-free as well, so I'll thank anyone who can give me a detal or two, especially since AT&T is my ISP.

Re:How is this different? (1)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 2 years ago | (#38678882)

Hey McGrew, My Karma has been excellent for a good many years now, not sure if there is some secret little flag or if it is constantly being topped up. On that note though, I don't care about my Karma if I am right - just don't take away my 15 mod points!

I do really wonder though the value in these shills, especially on sites like /. I mean, people here generally have very defined opinions and are rather quick to point out that it is walking like a duck and quacking like a duck if they think it is. I find it difficult to imagine how they might go to their manager and show what it is that they have accomplished through the week. Surely "Hey, I made all these good points in an online forum..." doesn't cut it?

Re:How is this different? (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#38691464)

My karma is, too, so there's no reason to worry about it. As to the shills, big bureaucracies like a huge corporation always have at least a few arrogant dummies in management who thing they're intelligent. "50 posts today? Attaboy!!"

Re:How is this different? (1)

erick99 (743982) | more than 2 years ago | (#38676538)

I've lost touch with how many people belong to SlashDot. I am not sure when I joined but my user number seemed astronomically high at the time. But, I agree with the points you make: A little too loud and a little too shrill. Okay, back to my branch (I am, in reality, a sloth and this has been really tiring.)

Re:How is this different? (1)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 2 years ago | (#38682466)

Well, my ID is almost double yours, but I (and likely a lot more folks) wouldn't consider myself a newcomer here :)

Re:How is this different? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38670704)

"Maybe you need a real man to open that?" cooed Emily as I struggled to open the twist off cap of my beer bottle.

Blushing at her derogatory tone I hissed back "It's not my fault, it's these stupid nails you made me wear!" Frankly I was mighty pissed at Emily, the girl I had fantasized so vividly about only for ages until, two days ago she invited me the party.

"Let's see who can help a pathetic little sissy open the big bad bottle of beer shall we?" although an amazingly pretty girl, Emily had a hitherto unseen mean streak and was delighting in my suffering beside her, dressed in way too frilly party attire comprising of a frilly satin blouse in a pale pink color, straining around my unnaturally large bust, a petticoat fluffed pink skirt complete with a large pink bow around my waist, a , white microfiber tights, and pink Mary Jane's atop a moderate three inch heel.

Blushing a darker pink than the blush Emily had applied to my freshly denuded face, I struggled against the one inch nail extensions, the same obligatory frosted pink as my seemingly enlarged lips, but my unfamiliarity with the dainty talons and multiple rings adorning my pretty fingers made it nigh on impossible for me to get a good grip on the reluctant bottle top. The myriad of silver, white and pink bangles jangled merrily on my wrists as I struggled in vain, not really paying Emily any attention until she barked at me.

"Sissy!" Sissy? Since when had I become Sissy? Resigning myself to having to find a bottle opener, I gave Emily my full attention and was startled to see her standing by a hulking great giant of a man.

"Sissy" she continued seeing they now had my undivided attention, "Sissy, this Winston, he can open your beer bottle for you."

Stunned in to silence by the sheer size of the man now towering over me, even atop my patent leather heels, I dumbly held the Budweiser beer bottle out to him. In a single fluid motion Winston reached out a massive black hand, more than covering the whole beer bottle, save the top, which he effortlessly twisted free before taking a long drink from it before handing it back down to me.

"Here, let me" smiled Emily, taking the bottle she poured it into a glass, plopped a long curly pink straw in it and handed it back to me. "Here you go Sissy, just the way you like it. Now remember, only two beers, you know how silly you get when you drink!"

Still gaping foolishly up at the spectacle of the man giant Winston I paid her no heed as I unthinkingly slipped the childish crazy straw between my painted lips and sucked some deliciously cold beer.

"See Winston, I told you she was crazy for you!" whispered the evil architect behind the conspiracy that now had me standing in a room full of strangers dressed head to foot in the type of attire fully fitting the wretched name Emily insisted on calling me. For it was the promise of possible intimacy, if not actual sexual congress with the gorgeous Ms. Dempsey that had persuaded me to don the ridiculously feminine attire I now sported to the evenings (alleged) costume party.

"Sissy, shut your mouth, you're staring at Winston like a Bitch in heat..." turning back to Winston she added' not that isn't a somewhat accurate description, you should hear how she's been gabbing on about that 'gorgeous specimen of black manhood' whenever you're close!"

"Emily!" I gasped at her blatant lies "that's not...:

"I know, I know, I promised I wouldn't tell anyone Sissy," she talked over me, ignoring my feeble protests, "but come on, it's no big secret. After all, if not for Winston, who else did you get all gussied up like a proper little black cock worshipping sissy for?"

Beer shot up and out of my nose, incapacitating me to shoot down the horrendous lies she was using to throw me under a very large, black and undoubtedly masculine bus!

For here was I, a one hundred percent hetero-sexual male, sure not the biggest or most confident of the species, but none the less, someone who's desire to get in to Emily pretty pink panties had, alas succeeded in ways I never envisioned or hoped for. For now here I was standing here, being referred to by the terribly derogatory name 'sissy' by the woman who, up until about thirty minutes ago was to be the forever love of my life, but is now trying to suggest I have been heartily lusting after a six foot eight, three hundred pound negro named Winston, while I stand there feeling pathetically inadequate dressed as I am in a form fitting of Emily's pretty pink panties!

Thoroughly enjoying herself, Emily continued to play the role of concerned friend as she slapped me heartily on my back, pushing me into Winston's chest as she commented "There, there Sissy, there's no reason to get so excited, as you can see Winston's still here, you lucky little boy..."

Tripping atop the unfamiliar heels, I stumble and foolishly, instinctively, make more effort to save my beer than my balance, and so bump into the wall that is Winston, my silicone falsies buffering some of the force of my hitting an immovable black silk shirt clad barrier.

"Easy there little lady" comes a voice as dark and rich as molten dark chocolate and impossibly thick arms effortlessly catch me and return me to my state of precarious balance. Looking up through the hideous thickly mascaraed false lashes, my baby blues peeking out through way too much eye shadow, liner and mascara, I stammer a diminutive "Thank you... Winston" before Emily starts back in.

"Go on then Sissy, kiss him, kiss those 'big thick lips' you were gushing about to me mere minutes ago"

"Emily" I hiss, sounding a good deal more feminine than I would want, even to my jangling earring attenuated ears.

"What?" she laughs, "don't go criticizing your best friend for trying to get you what you're too much of a little girly boi to go get by yourself!" As I stand there, furiously self-conscious in my pretty little pink party dress.

"But I... I mean you..." I stammer pathetically.

Turning to Winston, who unnoticed by me in my confusion, still has a protective hand on my shoulder, Emily continues, "You wouldn't believe what she was saying about you earlier Winston. Telling me how her little clitty was getting all hard just thinking about being forced in to your servitude! I mean I've known sissy for years, even before she 'came out' and declared she was a little girl trapped in an inadequate little boy's body, but in all this time I have never, and I mean never, heard her so infatuated with one man, and his..." here she acted all coy, and cast a furtive glance down towards Winston's dark purple pants clad crotch, which, as I inadvertently followed the direction of Emily's gaze, noticed appeared to be in proportion with the rest of the man; BIG!

I caught myself blushing furiously as Winston noticed the direction of my gaze and smiled knowingly, as his paw slipped from my shoulder to my waist, pulling me closer.

Smiling at how well her evil plan is progressing, Emily continued, "Oh yes, little Sissy has been going on in great length, if you'll pardon the pun!" she steals me a wantonly wicked, but none too subtle glance here, noting how Winston has his great hand upon my pink bow encircled waist and seems bent on pulling me as close to him as possible. "Yes, great length on how she just dreams about being forcibly made to serve a great hulking man like you, someone to bend her own pathetically inadequate will to theirs, someone to subjugate her, humiliate her like every little sissy boy dreams of, a REAL man to force her become the little sissy slave she's always longed to be. So tell me Winston, are you that man, will you take our little sissy boi here and make her yours, enslave her with your big black cock?"

"Emily!" I was speechless, aghast, floored by the lies she was telling this man. It was his words that fully drove home the fact of how much trouble I was truly in.

"Yes Miss, I am that man" He rumbled.

What" I looked up at him in amazement, and was totally unprepared by him pulling me fully to him as he lowered his mouth over mine. As his hot tongue forced its way between my pink lips and on in to the confines of my mouth, I realized how truly powerless I was against this mountain of a man, for he had to bend a good ways down to reach me, even elevated as I was atop the heels Emily had tricked me into wearing.

As I struggled in vain, beating my prettily manicured fists against his great chest, my bracelets making more noise than my voice was through his thick lips sealing my own, Emily bent in close and whispered in my ear "Have fun little sissy, I will leave you some condoms, to go with the lubricant and spare pair of panties already in your purse, but I believe your new boyfriend prefers riding his bitches bare back - if you know what I mean?! And I am afraid there's no money, credit cards or keys in your purse, so be good to Winston, he's the only ride you have... both home and in bed tonight! I'm off now, my work here is done, but I have so much more to do back at your flat. Have fun, I'll see you later to hear all the gory details!"

Out of the corner of my eye I saw her slip a packet of condoms in to my little pink clutch all purse, wink knowingly at the two of us as Winston, pausing to nod his thanks to Emily, did his best to devour me whole, his hands now taking deliberate liberties with my daintily presented body as I felt the hem of dress being worked up over my panty clad ass before his rough hands slipped under the elastic below my right buttock.

Breaking off his oral rape of my mouth for a moment Winston sighed "Damn it girl, you sure know how to get you man hot!"

Taking this opportunity to explain Emily's perfidy, I gasped "Listen Winston, Emily's a liar I ..."

"Shut it bitch, go get us some drinks, I'll have a cold beer, get yourself something girly and alcoholic." He snapped, cutting me off.

"But listen ..." I tried again.

"No" he barked "you listen to me you stupid cunt." My face paled at the violence of his words "I know exactly what kind a little sissy tease you are, you play me all doe eyes from across the room but when a brother chooses to act, you back off with all your hoity-toity attitude, well listen here, and listen good Sissy, you made your bed and our damn well gonna lie in it. Lie in it, fuck in it and any damn thing else I chose in it, is that clear?

But I had to make him see t was Emily who had set me up, this wasn't me at all, I hadn't been making eyes at him at all, I didn't even notice him, well OK that wasn't true, it was hard not to notice him, he was so damn big! "But you have to..."

"Don't you listen bitch, I don't have to do a damn thing you do! Now get your faggot white ass over to the bar and get us our drinks. I'll say this only one time more; I'll have a cold one, but you get yourself something suitably sissy and alcoholic, make it a Sex on the Beach or something similarly girly, something befitting a cock sucking little sissy, 'cause get me right here, that's exactly what you are. Now you got that, or do I need make myself any clearer?" the undisguised violence smoldering behind his brown eyes persuaded me that now was not the time to broker further argument, so like a good little sissy I sashayed over to the bar and ordered him a Budweiser and a Sex on the Beach for myself, having no clue as to what it contained, never having been a drinker. I received several amused glances, dressed as I was yet still pretty obviously male my demeanor and voice.

Teetering atop the unfamiliar heels I turned to find Winston had moved and was now occupying a good two thirds of a two-seater love chair. Oh great I thought, as I headed over, realizing I would be expected to squeeze into the vacant third beside him.

"And another thing" he began as I handed him his beer, not even bothering to thank me, "I think you should talk more befitting your new position in life, so start lisping."

"Lisping, oh come on..." I never got to finish the sentence as his big hand shot up and grabbed me by the throat.

"Yes lisping. You got a problem with that sweetcakes? And another thing, you better quit your questioning my every command, you got that too? " not even pausing to let me answer as I stood there dumbly before him clutching my tall bright pink drink, complete with a large white orchid and slice of orange in a highball glass, he pressed on "the next time you question me, no matter where we be, I'm gonna haul you down over my lap, pull up your pretty little skirt and give your pantied ass one hell of a whupping. Is that clear?

Pausing only long enough to take a bracing sip of my cocktail, actually enjoying its peach flavored sweetness, I obediently answer "Yes... Sir." such is the assault upon my senses, I unwittingly add the respectful acknowledgment of his higher status over my submissive self.

He grins knowingly at my unconscious submission to his dominance, "That's better, but try it again with the lips this time, and I prefer to Master as my title, but good girl for adding the Sir, now try it again and then get your pretty ass done here besides me."

Once more my cheeks burn their recently all too familiar bright shade of pink, nicely complimenting my pink lip stick and matching eye shadow (Emily, while still feigning interest in me as a male, had gone to great lengths to convince me that all pink cosmetics would better serve to hide my true gender, now I realized it was just yet another ruse to make me appear as big a sissy as possible)

Biting back my natural impulse to answer him back, I passively responded "Yesss Masster, but I have to pay for our drinksss, Emily didn't leave me any money."

"Well that's your problem Sissy, not mine. Go see the bar man and see what you can do to work off the debt, tell him I'll vouch for you. And make sure you lisp, and in future always refer to yourself in the third party as Sissy. Got that?"

Fearing exactly what such a confession to the barman will entail, I once again lisp out my concession "Yes, Master, I... Sissy understands." Once more I sway my way over to the bar, already blushing about what I have to say. I try to position myself at a quieter corner of the bar, but just as the barman notices me, three teenage girls crowd in to the space I've secured. "You got my money?"

"Burning a most vivid shade of crimson I lisp my answer as instructed "No, I'm afraid Sissy doesn't have any money, but... Master Winston says to tell you he can vouch for this Sissy."

"Christ, what a pathetic freak" laughs one of the girls beside me who, despite my best efforts had no trouble over hearing my declaration. Her friends agree and epithets such as 'fag', 'freak' and 'pussy' rain upon me as the barman considers his options.

"Tell you what" he finally opines as I struggle to stop the girls pulling up the hem of my dress to reveal my true gender. "Come back here after ten and you can pay me then."

His emphasis of the word 'pay' leave little doubt it will not be a cash transaction. Having no option other than to agree quickly, so as to prevent the three bitches further degrading me at the bar, I quickly answer "Thank you Sir, Sissy will pay you at 10:00."

Batting off the hands plucking at my hem and neckline and ignoring their outrageous taunts, I quickly return to Winston, temporarily grateful for his protection. He smiles, having witnessed the whole spectacle he inflicted upon me, pats the seat next to his broad thigh and says "Sit your pretty little ass down here Sissy and I'll tell you how it's going to be from here on."

Grimacing at how quickly my life has spiraled out of control, I turn and sit down next to him. Due to his size and weight, the too small seat and the fact I struggle to keep my fruity cocktail from spilling all over us, I cannot help but slide right up against him, innocently giving the impression to anyone watching, and following the debacle at the bar there are quite a few watching with amusement the display I unintentionally provide, as my legs unconsciously slide open, providing all and sundry an uninhibited view up my dress. The tight restriction of Emily's too small panties and tights serve to pin my manhood completely out of sight, completing the appearance of femininity to those enjoying the spectacle I am providing them.

Placing one enormous arm around my shoulder, his palm resting upon where my left breast resides under the large silicone falsie he is now gently squeezing, "OK, your new number one rule is this; give me your hand."

Fearing the worst, I gingerly hold out my right hand to him. He takes it, surprisingly gently, but then steers it down to his left thigh where he forces it down upon some sort of thick tube seemingly strapped to his thigh. It is only when I notice the heat it is generates does it dawn on me that it is not a tube at all, but his enormous penis. I balk and try to pull away.

"Oh no you don't Bitch, that there's your new best friend, your new reason for living, the main reason you get up every day. For from now on you is a total bitch slave to my beautiful black cock. Let me hear you say it bitch, tell me what the single most important thing in your whole wide sissy world is, and tell me proper."

While issuing this shocking edict, he has been working my hand up and down the considerable length of his monstrous trouser snake. Even with the hideous acrylic nails, painted the obligatory vivid pink of course, my hand can barely encompass its girth and it has to be a good six to eight inches long flaccid. Oh my God, what has Emily got me in to?

Pushing back such concerns for the moment, I dutifully swallow my pride and recite, complete with compulsory lisp and syntax "Thank you Master, the most important thing in this sissy's whole wide world is your big black cock."

"Good, but louder."

Again I repeat "Thank you Master, the most important thing in this sissy's whole wide world is your big black cock."

"Louder!"

"Thank you Master, the most important thing in this sissy's whole wide world is your big black cock."

"Again!"

"Thank you Master, the most important thing in this sissy's whole wide world is your big black cock." By now the majority of the people in our immediate area are staring at me open mouthed or just plain openly laughing at my seemingly willing subjugation and servitude to this giant of a man.

"Good girl, now use both hands."

"What? Oh, yes at once, sorry master." I have to turn forty-five degrees to accommodate this last instruction, causing my short skirt to slip yet further up my white clad thigh and me to slid yet closer to my aggressor. With both hands now employed running up and down his growing length, I am powerless to prevent my sliding up and against him, my angled body molding against his while my upturned face presses in to his chest and neck. 'My Gog' I think, it must look like I am totally feasting on him!

I do my best to filter out the ribald heckling from the three girls at the bar, now backs turned to the bar so as to better enjoy the spectacle I am providing, as I commence to massage his manhood with both my pink taloned hands

Ignoring my obvious discomfort as his disgusting penis stirs further below my reluctant ministrations he continues "So before we get started on the `new you' Sissy, tell me about the old you, and make damned certain you follow the rules we've established so far. Now answer me these questions, and don't even think `bout lying to me you hear?"

"Yes Master"

"So, you ever been with a man before Sissy?"

Blushing still deeper red, I answer in the negative.

"Oh I see, just unrealized fantasies, well that's cool." A single hand, palm held outwards, silences my objections. "When you're not out trawling for black cock, what do you do Sissy?"

I stammer "I'm a, I mean Sissy is a programmer, a computer programmer..."

"I know what a fucking programmer is" he growls "Which company do you work for?"

"Sissy is self-employed Master"

"Oh, so you work from home then?"

"Yes Master, Sissy has a small office in her... in Sissy's condo..." Did I really just refer to myself as a `her?!

"Perfect, I see young Emily chose well..."

With a sickening lurch in the pit of my stomach I realized I had been truly set up, that Emily, and quite likely Winston too, had planned my demise well in advance, that I was merely a pawn, albeit an unknowing one, in the schemes.

Ignoring my increased discomfort Winston pressed with this unending ,list of questions, "Do you have any family in the area?" No. "Had I ever been with a black man or woman before?" No. "Oh, so you're a racist then?" No, I... "What was the biggest cock I'd sucked?" But I never... "Did I like anal?" No! "We'll see about that. How big was my clitty" seeing my look of incomprehension he added "Your cockette, that pathetic thing you have between your legs?"

When I hesitated to, partly through shame of my tiny size I will admit, he blew up, grabbed my wrist and before I could voice an objection had hauled me in to his lap. Thankfully sitting in it and not across it prior to a public spanking as I'd feared. My relief was short lived as he unceremoniously thrust my legs apart, thrust his hand up between my splayed thighs and proceeded to pull down my tights and panties in the front revealing my freshly denuded crotch (thanks again Emily!) to the flabbergasted stares of the partiers around us.

My mouth was formed in a perfect 'O' as my cheeks flared a brilliant red as he commenced to free my shamed cock and balls from their previous position pinned tightly beneath me. "Oh my, I can see why you feel you're more female than male Sissy, these really are pathetic!"

My ready loaded objections that this had gone far enough were lost at the sting of this wretched comment as, taking my 'manhood' between a thick finger and thumb, he pulled painfully upon it "I think we might even consider gender realignment surgery, you've got so little too lose poor lass. No wonder you're so frustrated, this thing's tiny!"

I was helpless. I could only sit there, leaning back off balance into the chest of this monster, legs akimbo, to show all and sundry my pathetically small genitalia as I was all too aware of his monstrous manhood as it did it's level best to lift my physically from his lap. Locking my feet beneath his huge calves, Winston moved his hands under my blouse, pulling it free from the waist of my skirt, and proceeded a most public exploration of my artificially bolstered chest while I was powerless to do anything about these ever increasing liberties.

"We'll have to see about getting these plastic titties replaced with some real ones" he cooed before locking his lips over my unprotected neck and sucking hard enough to draw the blood to the surface in a vivid hickey. Releasing his bite before selecting another spot on my pale skin, he cooed "Yes. I like some big ol' silicone jus on my bitches, with bog ol' pointy nipples that'll take your eye out if you not careful. How you like that Sugar, how you like some big ol' titties that make ALL the men stare at you with hunger?"

I could think of few things more unpleasant, but could physically sense the challenge he'd left hanging, just daring me to answer in the negative. Fighting back a sob that I knew would only anger him, I lisped my answer "Yes please Master, Sissy would love some big titties to make the man stare at her..."

"Good girl" he cooed, before defiling yet another spot on my neckline. "Maybe we get you a nice ol' fat ass to go with it, I loves my bitches to pack a little junk in the trunk you know! Get them hips o' yours filled out a bit too, I know a great Doctor down in Tijuana who do all this work, and get them lips padded out a little better for sucking on my cock, he's cheap, fast and always available since he lost his license to work Stateside. Oh yes, I see us spending a few weeks with the good Doctor Wu, het you all tricked out just the way I like `me."

While one hand continued a most open exploration of my chest, my red bra clearly visible to any not too disgusted by the display we were providing, his other began an equally indiscreet manipulation of my groin under my short skirt which was stretched around my splayed hips so as to provide little or no cover. This time his ministrations were gentle as he massaged my bared genitalia, all the while alternately feeding upon my pale neck, asking vile questions, or the worst, muttering visions of my future under his `protection.'

His comment, "Once Emily has finished with your apartment, not even you will recognize it" scared me silly, how much planning had gone into my once seemingly innocent party date with Miss Emily? Sure, I though it a really mean trick to convince me to dress up like a little girl so we could head on out to a fictitious fancy costume party, but now I was coming to realize that was just the tip of the iceberg. As Winston told me how, even as we sat there and he slowly stroked my poor naked cockette so that it had no alternative but to inevitably respond to his ministrations, Emily was even now arranging for the disposal of my every male garment to some thrift shop I'd never have hear of, and how, after redecorating my rooms in the frilliest, prettiest, pinks, yellows and powder blues, my closet drawers were being restocked with an assorted combination of garish sissy frills and white trash hooker attire. How my driving license, passport and even rental agreement for my apartment was being reissued in my new identity; that of Sissy Bleaujorb!

As he went on to describe the hideous regimen of female hormones and other drugs that would become my daily routine, of continued hypnosis therapy to bury hidden commands and mannerisms deep within my subconscious, ensuring I would unwittingly act, move and behave as the wanton cock serving sissy he wanted at all times, of the painful surgeries I had ahead to mold me in to this sickos vision of the perfect sexual slave. While all this was being outlined to me, he continued to manipulate me to my tiny state of arousal.

"See Sissy, we knew this is what you deep down sought, the lifestyle that you secretly, maybe even unconsciously desired. Oh you might deny it now, but you'll see, this is what you really need in your meaningless life, a strong man to take command of your pathetic life, to make you his, to make you serve what you've always really wanted, to serve a Masterful Big Black Cock" and with that, despite the many looks of scorn and derision I was receiving spread wide upon his lap for all to see and ridicule, I came, my tiny cock twitching furiously as it shot my sallow seed into my panties and tights.

Maybe he was right...

Re:How is this different? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38671212)

Y'know, it wasn't the story that got me horny, it was the poster who posted this story as a sick joke that got me horny. C'mere bitch; ever had some black cock before? I'll fuck you across the internet and I know you'll like it.

Re:How is this different? (1)

Maow (620678) | more than 2 years ago | (#38671234)

Looks like InsightIn140Bytes is back after the holiday break.

Got a new Slashdot ID for xmas?

Maybe this post [slashdot.org] made InsightIn140Bytes go away?

Re:How is this different? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38672676)

I've been keeping track. ;)

http://slashdot.org/~TechLA [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/~CmdrPony [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/~SharkLaser [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/~InterestingFella [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/~InsightIn140Bytes [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/~DCTech [slashdot.org]

Though, I think I'm missing a few of the accounts.

Re:How is this different? (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 2 years ago | (#38673516)

Damn, you people are frightening...

Luckily the same sort of mental defect that leads you to believe that all opinions you don't share must be paid for is the same sort of thing that keeps you from being cogent enough to persuade anyone who doesn't already agree with you.

Shai Hulud wills it! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38669372)

The data must flow. He who controls the stack, controls the universe.

Re:Shai Hulud wills it! (1)

khallow (566160) | more than 2 years ago | (#38669454)

But who will be in that universe and who out?

Re:Shai Hulud wills it! (1)

kirbini (147112) | more than 2 years ago | (#38675752)

IN: Battle Cat, Teela, Man-at-Arms and He-man.

Out: Skeletor, Panthor, Mer-man, Evil-Lyn, TrapJaw

Re:Shai Hulud wills it! (4, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#38669456)

The data must flow. He who controls the stack, controls the universe.

"You can't stop the signal, Mal. Everything goes somewhere, and I go everywhere. "

Re:Shai Hulud wills it! (2)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 2 years ago | (#38669624)

For the record, AT&T doesn't control OpenStack, and Rackspace doesn't either--- although interestingly, it's situated *right in the middle of old Southwest Bell* territory.Hmmmmmmmmmm.

Re:Shai Hulud wills it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38669550)

To control your own universe, use CloudI! http://cloudi.org

Re:Shai Hulud wills it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38669774)

Interesting link. Still a bit confused though. It sounds good and open source is always welcome. What does it do? A new protocol to replace http?

Re:Shai Hulud wills it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38670322)

No, that would be silly. CloudI is a type of cloud that you can run both privately and publicly, so you don't need to depend on a large cloud (i.e., virtualization) service provider. Instead you have less overhead within a language agnostic, fault-tolerant application server, providing scalability across the services you declare (i.e., SOA).

Re:Shai Hulud wills it! (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 2 years ago | (#38671998)

To control your universe, you need to have your own pipes. This is why AT&T will achieve what Google and Apple never could.

Re:Shai Hulud wills it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38677074)

That is the point. For an intranet, you control the network, so with private cloud computing you can provide freedom from the external manipulation of companies like AT&T

Re:Shai Hulud wills it! (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 2 years ago | (#38681016)

Yeah, as long as you only have one office and no employees working from home or the field. That leaves a lot of companies out.

Re:Shai Hulud wills it! (5, Interesting)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#38670638)

that's why they're doing increasing limiting of "open" internet from their networks - that's where data caps come in. that's how they'll get to control the flow, get to control what data you as a consumer can get.

the next step is to provide with big fanfare, and of course some small monthly fee, unlimited access to their own cloud services. in that step they'll provide you netflix streaming from their network and they will also make netflix(or similar content provider) pay them as well - the kick is they will still keep saying they're net neutral and that they aren't throttling services based on bribes since on your extremely limited internet plan they don't, that will work as normal but it'll have enough quota to only read dilbert strips - they'll just have premium services that won't be metered and to get to that party you as a content provider will need to provide only content they'll figure is good for their image and . who doesn't love double billing and limited options? users won't, but the network operator just loves this and gives them something to do all year to negotiate on behalf of the users which network services they'll have the honor of using. gives a nice power trip too and which ceo doesn't like that. gives them a justification to do stupidly shitty customized firmwares too, lot's of companies lobbying for that crap.

this information doesn't come from any leaked memos or private conversations - it's just logical, it's how some 3g network providers started their networks but users wouldn't go for that shit and competition in most markets took care of that such plans didn't fly. fuck 'em - switch operators if you can to one that doesn't try to become the content provider middle-negotiator. but this is what all data caps are about - putting you into a position where the isp's(mobile or landline) competing media provider solutions are starting to look like a good choice.

the best solution for consumers would be to ban such practices outright, make the network operator compete with what should be their product, with what they were licensed to do: to provide a bridge to the internet. competition can't work if for in order to compete as media provider you'll have to stick shares to at&t's of the world.

(I think in USA verizon has pretty much publicized such plans though, iirc they ran a system bit like this already though? not from USA so not exactly sure, but you could look into uk threes walled garden shtifest approach from few years back for inspiration too, or any cable company which would rather have you stream payperview from them than from the open internet seas, and fyi in finland one operator did tv over mobile, so that they didn't meter it. nobody used it of course and as all operators were forced to go with all you can eat 3g plans pretty fast anyhow, but before that the operators still had wet dreams about being able to influence which webservices their users use - it was supposed to be a big, big biiiig part of their business to be able to pocket money for that like fucking mobsters)

Re:Shai Hulud wills it! (2)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 2 years ago | (#38671332)

Why is this not at +5, Insightful? This is exactly where the future lies. The incumbent telcos are realizing that they have one thing that no one has (full control over the hardlines) and another thing that means that no one needs to go anywhere else: walled garden apps.

This is the future, folks. Give it ten years, and only the hardest of the hardcore geeks will even know how to get to the Internet. The rest of the US will be happy forever sitting on ATT's or Comcast's network, never leaving it, and never knowing how much the offerings suck they're consuming.

I'm wondering if Apple or Google will buy one of the smaller telcos to combat this. If they don't - they'll be toast.

Kinda funny that AOL's business model is making a comeback, killing off the very thing that killed off AOL.

Re:Shai Hulud wills it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38672762)

Kinda funny that AOL's business model is making a comeback, killing off the very thing that killed off AOL.

This is exactly what they are trying to do. Have to love regression.

Re:Shai Hulud wills it! (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#38677648)

This is the future, folks. Give it ten years, and only the hardest of the hardcore geeks will even know how to get to the Internet.

What was old is new again! I certainly hope you're wrong, you're talking about going back to Compuserve. Even BBSes were better than Compuserve, which is why I dropped Compuserve before finally getting direct internet access. I was on Compuserve back in 1983. Sucky sucky sucky!

But then, the failed quadrophonics from the 1970s came back as "surround sound", but that's a tad different; technological advances made it succeed the second time around.

I hope you're wrong, I fear you may be right.

Re:Shai Hulud wills it! (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#38686870)

for further proof http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/12/drip-casting-mobile-downloads_n_1203094.html [huffingtonpost.com] , it's begun.

Such options could make consumers more inclined to watch video on phones or tablets since the biggest U.S. operators, Verizon Wireless and AT&T Inc , charge for data usage on a metered basis.

"The idea would be that you don't get charged for certain data because the carrier would handle it differently," Zafar said.

The ability of the carrier to charge different prices for differing types of traffic could have other applications, too, according to the executive.

Screw AT&T, I could care less what they do (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38669402)

When I first began using an iPhone ( I had bought the phone used and it was NOT subsidized
by AT&T ), AT&T added fees to my monthly bill for data service.

I called them and told them I had no intention of using data service, which was quite true.
The "friendly" AT&T rep told me that if I had an iPhone "I had no choice" but to pay for data
service whether IU used it or not, because the iPhone "would use data whether it was switched
off or not" which is of course utter bullshit.

Well, my contract with AT&T has ended, and I am going to kiss AT&T goodbye very soon. You see,
I DO have a choice and it will be a cold day in hell before I ever pay to use AT&T "services" again.
( which by the way suck horribly in many areas of the US, of course that is common knowledge in the tech world ).

I cannot think of a company I have ever detested as much as I detest AT&T. And AT&T provided me with all the reasons why.

Re:Screw AT&T, I could care less what they do (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38669696)

Why are you proud about your phone not being subsidized. You paid the same whether it was or not. AT&T does not discount for providing your own phone.
And you brought a phone that actually requires a data plan (how do you think visual voicemail works?). Now you have the audacity to blame AT&T for your blatant stupidity. Now I am not saying They do no wrong, believe me they, when they suck they fucking suck, but your rant says far more about you than it does AT&T.

Re:Screw AT&T, I could care less what they do (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38669942)

You can use an iPhone in any country outside of North America without a data plan. The data plan is added because "fuck you we're the phone company".

Re:Screw AT&T, I could care less what they do (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38670346)

"Now you have the audacity to blame AT&T for your blatant stupidity."

Actually, your lack of knowledge has caused you to think I am stupid when the truth is that it is
you who are both stupid, ill-informed, and a smart-mouthed cunt.

As the poster below points out, AT&T screws customers in a way that doesn't happen
outside of the US.

By the way, if you talk in person like you talked in your post, you'd better have dental insurance
because you are going to need it some day.

Re:Screw AT&T, I could care less what they do (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38673802)

Well, At least you're arrogant enough to be blind to your own stupidity. Take that as some sort of comfort.

Re:Screw AT&T, I could care less what they do (3, Interesting)

Rich0 (548339) | more than 2 years ago | (#38670452)

Neither iPhones nor Android phones require a data plan to operate as far as I'm aware. Mobile providers will certainly tell you that they do, but it simply isn't true. I gave my old G1 to my stepson and disabled its ability to send data thoroughly (disable APNs, disable mobile data, etc). It worked just fine - it would sync on WiFi and otherwise work like a feature phone on the cell network.

Things like visual voicemail will probably work just fine without a data plan - you just need to be connected to WiFi.

Considering that the iPhone and the iPod are fairly similar in features and OS I'd be surprised if the iPhone also would work just fine without a data plan.

Re:Screw AT&T, I could care less what they do (2)

subreality (157447) | more than 2 years ago | (#38671300)

My other half has an old iPhone on TMobile, no data plan. It works just fine. There's no visual voice mail but it knows the number to call to retrieve it the old way.

Re:Screw AT&T, I could care less what they do (1)

oPless (63249) | more than 2 years ago | (#38672050)

I think in the UK only O2 has 'visual voicemail'

Don't want it, don't need it.

Why the hell can't I edit/override my own APN data on the iPhone?

Re:Buy Unlocked Smartphones/Android In Factory Box (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38672892)

Neither iPhones nor Android phones require a data plan to operate as far as I'm aware. Mobile providers will certainly tell you that they do, but it simply isn't true. I gave my old G1 to my stepson and disabled its ability to send data thoroughly (disable APNs, disable mobile data, etc). It worked just fine - it would sync on WiFi and otherwise work like a feature phone on the cell network.

Things like visual voicemail will probably work just fine without a data plan - you just need to be connected to WiFi.

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Re:Screw AT&T, I could care less what they do (1)

EvilBudMan (588716) | more than 2 years ago | (#38676206)

You don't have a choice with AT&T or Verizon for that matter and then there is tethering. If we don't use their data we should have to pay for it and if we do we shouldn't have to pay for it twice. People say I don't want the government telling me what to do but they obviously need to tell every major provider what to do for billing you for stuff you don't use.

Re:Screw AT&T, I could care less what they do (1)

TemporalBeing (803363) | more than 2 years ago | (#38678996)

Neither iPhones nor Android phones require a data plan to operate as far as I'm aware. Mobile providers will certainly tell you that they do, but it simply isn't true. I gave my old G1 to my stepson and disabled its ability to send data thoroughly (disable APNs, disable mobile data, etc). It worked just fine - it would sync on WiFi and otherwise work like a feature phone on the cell network.

AT&T's contract with Apple for getting the iPhone first was that they had to require a data plan with it, and a very specific data plan at that. It's not public about whether any other phone manufacturer did that too, but not likely. More likely than not, AT&T just used it as a way to move all smart phones to requiring data plans, which they do - anything with a keyboard or touch screen requires a data plan of some kind; if just a keyboard then a very cheap text-only plan; but any touch screen requires a full-on data plan.

That's not to say you can't skirt it. I have no data services enabled period on my plan for any of my phones. Yet I have an Nexus One myself (everyone else has a feature phone at the moment); but no data plan for even the Nexus One. AT&T knows about the Nexus One; but again, they don't see any data traffic (I removed the settings, and disabled it so it only uses Wifi for data).

What I did with my N1 is probably harder to do with an iPhone; but the OP shouldn't have been too surprised. Next time they should buy an Android phone that way instead.

Re:Screw AT&T, I could care less what they do (1)

Rich0 (548339) | more than 2 years ago | (#38684532)

What I did with my N1 is probably harder to do with an iPhone; but the OP shouldn't have been too surprised. Next time they should buy an Android phone that way instead.

The OP didn't buy their iPhone from ATT, however. Near-monopoly communications providers shouldn't be allowed to enter into exclusive agreements in the first place, but they certainly shouldn't be allowed to extend that agreement to equipment they never sold/etc.

Re:Screw AT&T, I could care less what they do (1)

TemporalBeing (803363) | more than 2 years ago | (#38685214)

What I did with my N1 is probably harder to do with an iPhone; but the OP shouldn't have been too surprised. Next time they should buy an Android phone that way instead.

The OP didn't buy their iPhone from ATT, however. Near-monopoly communications providers shouldn't be allowed to enter into exclusive agreements in the first place, but they certainly shouldn't be allowed to extend that agreement to equipment they never sold/etc.

Supposedly they will charge data plans on ANY phone that meets their requirements for requiring one whether or not they sold the phone. I probably am not getting charged for it as I don't ever do any data over their network period, but if you leave the network enabled then they probably get some data and make the detection that you need it and thereby charge you. So I don't know how they make the determination; but I wouldn't be surprised if their contract with Apple was such that they just detect that the iPhone is there and to keep from sanctions they just go ahead and start charging what is required per the contract.

I do agree that they should not be allowed to do that; but until someone takes them to court over it and wins without settling, they'll probably continue to do so.

Re:Screw AT&T, I could care less what they do (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38671200)

You can save money if you use a non-AT&T iPhone. As long as the IMEI is not in AT&T's database, they won't charge you the ridiculous iphone tax. You can tell if it's in their database or not by logging into your online account. It will show if the IMEI is identified, or not.

If your IMEI is not identified, and you tell the phone support folks that you have some old piece of junk phone, they'll offer you unlimited data for $15 per month. That sure beats $20 for having a iphone plus more money for data on top of that. And you can opt to not get either fee, of course. Who said AT&T didn't have unlimited data? You have to be only slightly smarter than the person at the other end of the line.

Anyways the real problem is that carriers are now making deals with their smartphone manufacturers to pay fees back to them. That's what the $20 iPhone tax started, now every smartphone manufacturer wants to get a monthly kick back for each subscriber. Even though AT&T and Apple started this problem, they also make it easy to avoid, by the very nature of the open standard network.

Re:Screw AT&T, I could care less what they do (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38672552)

People do stupid shit just to get an iphone. news at 11.

Re:Screw AT&T, I could care less what they do (5, Insightful)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#38669952)

You see,
I DO have a choice

When you get to your new provider, you will see that sometimes having "a choice" is really no choice at all. When there's only a couple of players, and they're all trying to buy one another, they realize they've got you over a barrel.

You can try to find the provider that is least objectionable, but you will find that there is no such thing as a telecommunications provider in the United States that is not horrible. You might come to believe one is a little bit less horrible than the other, but when you come down to it, they're all shit. And they can be shit because they got big enough to be able to write the government regulations themselves.

If you want to see corporate behavior start to change, you have to support a constitutional amendment stating that money does not equal speech and corporations are not people. One would think that those two statements are so obvious that no such amendment is necessary, but there's so much money in so few hands right now that they're able to repeatedly fuck the corpse of the Constitution, over and over, until it will say anything they want it to say.

Re:Screw AT&T, I could care less what they do (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38670560)

"When you get to your new provider, you will see that sometimes having "a choice" is really no choice at all"

I readily admit you are 100% correct. The US is fucked, because of the incestuous relationship
between government and corporations. This is not new nor is it likely to change anytime soon,
because the vast majority of Americans are gutless sheep, who walk willingly to the slaughter.

However, I'll be making the change not to improve my telecomm circumstances but only so I can tell AT&T in no uncertain terms
that they can take their policies and shove them up their collective asses. None of this is going to change the world
of course, but every time I get my phone bill I'm going to feel better, and that's enough to make this action worthwhile
for me. I'd rather use Edge on my feet than use 3G on my knees, verstanden ?

Re:Screw AT&T, I could care less what they do (2)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#38672542)

The US is fucked, because of the incestuous relationship
between government and corporations

There is no inherent incestuous relationship between government and corporations. That relationship is between corporations and politicians. Break that relationship and you stop the incest.

Re:Screw AT&T, I could care less what they do (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38671252)

Sorry, but cell phone companies don't suck because the lack government regulation or because the government is doing something wrong.

They are highly regulated in several aspects. Even if they take part in writing the regulations (which made sense in the distant past, when the only experts actually worked at the phone company), it doesn't give them the advantage that you think it does.

The problem is that these companies SUCK, plain and simple. They are driven by greed and aggregate totals covering huge swaths of the population. If you regulate them to death, it won't make them better.

The phone system relied on government regulation to keep its monopoly, the long distance carriers after 1984 were the first major competitor to Ma Bell. The long haul fiber networks and the cell phone carriers were the second and untied the monopolies well before the internet helped to decimate the remaining pieces.

Government regulation was much less tight on the cellular carriers for a long time. They suck either way. Neither the government, the constitution, Ron Paul or Ralph Nader can fix that.

Re:Screw AT&T, I could care less what they do (3, Interesting)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 2 years ago | (#38672026)

Regulation is not all equal. Instead of laws to make them behave (which they won't), you need to laws to increase competition and help phone manufacturers unlock themselves from the carriers.

Is it even possible for a new competitor to enter the market at this moment?

Re:Screw AT&T, I could care less what they do (4, Interesting)

guttentag (313541) | more than 2 years ago | (#38670844)

I cannot think of a company I have ever detested as much as I detest AT&T.

If you find that this keeps you up at night, might I suggest opening an account with Comcast (when their cable modem died they said they had to send a tech out to fix it, it would take three weeks, and I would continue to be billed for the service they could not provide... Then they actually told me I was bluffing when I asked to be connected with someone who could close my account) or Wells Fargo (they charged me $2 for asking what their branch hours were, and their answer was "we don't know")? Then you can have warm and fuzzy intellectual debates about which one is worst. Enjoy!

Re:Screw AT&T, I could care less what they do (1, Flamebait)

NotQuiteReal (608241) | more than 2 years ago | (#38670904)

Wells Fargo (they charged me $2 for asking what their branch hours were, and their answer was "we don't know")?

Bullshit.

Re:Screw AT&T, I could care less what they do (1)

Jafafa Hots (580169) | more than 2 years ago | (#38671176)

I bet it's true. An old account I had was $3 per call to customer service, and that was ten years ago. Call them for ANYTHING, it's automatically added.

The one time I did call customer service, for THEIR error, I complained about the fee and they said they'd remove the charge as a "one-time courtesy."

Re:Screw AT&T, I could care less what they do (1)

EvilBudMan (588716) | more than 2 years ago | (#38676304)

Comcast is probably the worst company ever but it's because the government lets them buy everything. A content provider ought to be separate from a data provider or there is one large conflict of interest but I guess it's OK to help out less than 1% of the population at the expense of the other 99.5% of US citizens.

So there you go the worst is the US government. They steal more than the rest put together.

Tech world (0)

dutchwhizzman (817898) | more than 2 years ago | (#38671282)

Most of the tech world happens outside of the USA, in countries like China and India. AT&T doesn't have a lot to say or do in those countries, so people that still live in a free market world aren't influenced by AT&T. You might want to look at what a market economy, or a democracy is and compare it to the USA system if you are bothered by the way AT&T gets to do business in your country. Sure, the rest of the planet isn't perfect, but don't call your one country the world.

Apple and Google could roll out their own networks (1)

Nova Express (100383) | more than 2 years ago | (#38669410)

They just see no reason to spend the $20 billion or so it would take to do it. That's far from chump change, but both doable for those companies. But why build it yourself if you can get common carriers to carry it cheaper than you can build it? And who knows how much dark fiber is already laid out there?

Re:Apple and Google could roll out their own netwo (5, Interesting)

olsmeister (1488789) | more than 2 years ago | (#38669468)

Well, never say never... [google.com]

Re:Apple and Google could roll out their own netwo (1)

cshark (673578) | more than 2 years ago | (#38670994)

Yep. They're rolling out in my neighborhood, here in Kansas City in March. I love Google.

S2? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38669426)

Amazon have lost an S somewhere?

I'm confused (3, Insightful)

viperidaenz (2515578) | more than 2 years ago | (#38669450)

How is this "the ultimate walled garden"? There are no walls. Are they going to stop customers using the iPhone App Store and the Android Market Place and force them all to use/purchase their new "apps"? That'll go down well.

Re:I'm confused (5, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#38669516)

How is this "the ultimate walled garden"? There are no walls. Are they going to stop customers using the iPhone App Store and the Android Market Place and force them all to use/purchase their new "apps"? That'll go down well.

According to TFA,

it would be like CompuServe, if CompuServe owned the phone company.

So, I'm envisioning this as a text based BBS running at 1200 baud over copper POTS. I really didn't realize that AT&T had a strong retro streak, but the longer I think about it, the more it makes sense.

Using analog modems at 1200 baud was the last time that AT&T managed to keep up with the data flow. It went downhill from there....

Re:I'm confused (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 2 years ago | (#38672592)

Using analog modems at 1200 baud was the last time that AT&T managed to keep up with the data flow. It went downhill from there....

Yes, but that was not the same company as the one that is called AT&T today. that was a company that was actually competent at what they did (although it was no better at customer service than the current company of the same name...maybe even worse, if you can imagine that).

Re:I'm confused (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38673314)

And usernames like "433234"

Re:I'm confused (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#38676530)

And usernames like "433234"

I think it was more like 71427,5516 - which, IIRC, was my Compuserve number way back when.

Man, if that's actually correct my memory might not be as bad off as I thought. Of course, remembering perfectly useless numbers from decades ago doesn't typically get one very far in day to day affairs. In fact, even pretty advanced Alzheimer's patients can often remember old phone numbers and social security numbers.

Now I'm all depressed again.

Re:I'm confused (4, Interesting)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 2 years ago | (#38670512)

They already do this on all the non-smart phones. They all have "apps" and "Games" but you can only buy them from the carrier. This, in fact, is exactly the sort of thing they want to do. You can only get video from them. You can only get apps from them. It's all for your own security of course. Those nasty viruses and hackers oh my!

Re:I'm confused (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 2 years ago | (#38674308)

They already do this on all the non-smart phones. They all have "apps" and "Games" but you can only buy them from the carrier. This, in fact, is exactly the sort of thing they want to do. You can only get video from them. You can only get apps from them. It's all for your own security of course. Those nasty viruses and hackers oh my!

All carriers do that. In fact, "featurephones" have always been walled gardens of pain. If you're a developer, you have to make individual contracts with every carrier if you want to publish a mobile game. And every phone has its own quirks, so even though a carrier may offer say, 20 different phones right now, you really only can support 4 or 5, and none of last month's series of phones.

Ditto media. Hell, some carriers charged to have you download your photos from your cameraphone (before everyone standardized on USB - proprietary cables were everywhere and cost a ton of money just to copy your photos off).

With the proliferation of smartphones though, even walled gardens like Apple's are much easier to break into for the average joe than for featurephones.

Re:I'm confused (1)

EvilBudMan (588716) | more than 2 years ago | (#38676402)

I even found one that would let you play music unless it was in mono if you copied it over yourself. Facebook, and email was there, but everything else you had to buy from them. Anymore there are more wifi hotspots than AT&T's 3G towers. So you have a choice but only from one garden to the next. At least Verizon allows sideloading on all of the Android devices that I have seen.

Re:I'm confused (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#38670660)

How is this "the ultimate walled garden"? There are no walls. Are they going to stop customers using the iPhone App Store and the Android Market Place and force them all to use/purchase their new "apps"? That'll go down well.

the wall is your extremely limited data allowance. figure it out.

Re:I'm confused (1)

EvilBudMan (588716) | more than 2 years ago | (#38676320)

AT&T will just not allow you to sideload off of Amazon unless Amazon gives them a kickback.

missing an important part (4, Insightful)

khallow (566160) | more than 2 years ago | (#38669498)

What I don't see here is inhabitants. There are plenty of examples of vendor lock-in, but these require a valuable service or perhaps "killer app" that lures customers in and keeps them there. AT&T doesn't have that. If I can't use their services to communicate with the world outside (the "walled garden" thing), then what's the lock-in that will keep me using this service? At least Apple and Google have something that could in theory keep people locked in to their respective services.

Re:missing an important part (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38669766)

With this sort of thing it is a lock into an interface that you use to scale your application across servers. This is more akin to competing against Amazon, Akamai and Verizon in this space.

Re:missing an important part (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38669796)

Cloud services is what I am guessing they are talking about. AT&T could provide far better bandwidth to their own systems.

Re:missing an important part (4, Interesting)

berashith (222128) | more than 2 years ago | (#38670344)

AT&T doesnt have the killer app, but they have the app store killer. The android market place and apple app store give access to customers to developers for the platform. ATT can circumvent those by supplying their own store with access to all of their customers ( which is a huge base). Platform wont matter, and apps written will have APIs into many ATT services... you need identity, music services , TV (u-verse) , all linked in through their own playground with their own tools. By pushing to hmtl5, the restrictions on what gets approved to the iphone is circumvented.

Most of this article is speculation and wrong, but there is an interesting play by ATT to become more than just a line operator and carrier. The biggest miss in the article is the assumption that wireline services are important to this effort. ATT knows that sending a signal through copper , and renting that access to everyone is not where the big profits are at. They want the 30% cut of everyone else's ideas, and to facilitate the next twitter or facebook from within their control, so they wont just be a simple supplier to the ones making huge profits.

Re:missing an important part (1)

khallow (566160) | more than 2 years ago | (#38671326)

ATT can circumvent those by supplying their own store with access to all of their customers ( which is a huge base)

Why are their customers going to buy apps? That's not why they're customers.

Re:missing an important part (1)

berashith (222128) | more than 2 years ago | (#38672266)

It is an option that ATT can offer. If I tried to open Joe's app store, no one would bother with it... what could i offer that would give reason for people to choose to shop there, or developers to work with me for marketing? Well, ATT has the reason for devs to go there, to the tune of millions of eyeballs, and there are plenty of those they can re-direct without them realizing what is happening. Many customers will just see an options portal to control their account.

Re:app store killer (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 2 years ago | (#38672474)

I've idly wondered "what random new service could beat out the App store and/or Facebook?" And thinking that the possible answer could be "The Telcos" just really makes me start thinking of whether I want to be in a pit of snakes or a pit of scorpions.

Re:missing an important part (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 2 years ago | (#38670750)

Exactly. All the carriers tried this during the infancy of cellular phones. It didn't work out well for the companies which were behind the curve and tried to continue restricting their users long-term.

Hell, even Verizon has basically abandoned their efforts at uniform restriction. It doesn't work out well for them: they try to sell it as a bonus, but in the end it's a restriction when advancement occurs elsewhere.

Also, I still haven't figured out what this has to do with OpenStack. OpenStack is good sense. I'm implementing it locally because, again, it's good sense. I fail to see what this has to do with walled gardens or how it's different than, say, a shitton of physical hardware in that regard.

Re:missing an important part (1)

Etcetera (14711) | more than 2 years ago | (#38671010)

Hell, even Verizon has basically abandoned their efforts at uniform restriction. It doesn't work out well for them: they try to sell it as a bonus, but in the end it's a restriction when advancement occurs elsewhere.

I'm not sure who their supplier is, but the Verizon Navigator driving directions are far and away superior to Google Maps here in San Diego (and a lot of CA, it seemed this summer). More than worth the $10/month fee for me. YMMV.

Backup will be easy... (5, Insightful)

Electrawn (321224) | more than 2 years ago | (#38669620)

... Just ask the friendly NSA guy in the datacenter for a copy of your data.

Seriously, would anyone trust their (cloud) data to T after the NSA thing?

In doubt... (4, Insightful)

migla (1099771) | more than 2 years ago | (#38669668)

To be on the safe side we should all probably always use AGPL and/or GPLv3 for everything. We can always go less restrictive, but motherfuckers will want to pervert the idea of sharing and openness, so just go full RMS from the start and loosen the restraints as you go along, if appropriate.

That's just 2 cents that happened to drop into my drunken brain at this period in history, and they seem like they're making sense.

Afro GPL (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38669794)

The Afro GPL is for nigras

Re:In doubt... (1)

Teckla (630646) | more than 2 years ago | (#38677942)

Ah, good old Slashdot. Pro GPL comments always go +5, Insightful and anti GPL comments always go -1, Troll, no matter what. This will be no exception, but I feel compelled to respond in case there is anyone left on Slashdot that is not completely brainwashed.

To be on the safe side we should all probably always use AGPL and/or GPLv3 for everything. We can always go less restrictive...

No. No, no, no. A thousand times no. GPL source code tends to attract more and more contributors. Over time, you have so many contributors that "going back" to another license becomes practically impossible, because at some point you can't successfully contact them all and get them all to agree to a license change. This was RMS's plan from the start -- for GPL to spread in this fashion. If you don't believe me, go look it up.

When that happens, you can't "go back" to a less restrictive license. To do something as simple as change the license... you have to do a full rewrite.

This is one reason why I'm not a fan of the GPL -- it becomes increasingly unlikely to ever be able make a license change over time, and I think that's an awfully bad thing for people.

Re:In doubt... (1)

TemporalBeing (803363) | more than 2 years ago | (#38679166)

No. No, no, no. A thousand times no. GPL source code tends to attract more and more contributors. Over time, you have so many contributors that "going back" to another license becomes practically impossible, because at some point you can't successfully contact them all and get them all to agree to a license change. This was RMS's plan from the start -- for GPL to spread in this fashion. If you don't believe me, go look it up.

When that happens, you can't "go back" to a less restrictive license. To do something as simple as change the license... you have to do a full rewrite.

This is one reason why I'm not a fan of the GPL -- it becomes increasingly unlikely to ever be able make a license change over time, and I think that's an awfully bad thing for people.

Well, there's another solution to the issue - and that is Copyright License Assignment/Agreement (CLA), which by the way the FSF requires. So FSF can change their licenses at any time - they could go proprietary with all the FSF/GNU code if they liked as they own all the copyrights for that code. But whether or not copyright assignments are a good thing is still to be decided.

Linux, on the other hand, is in the situation you refer as they don't use copyright assignments; so everything has to be GPLv2 compatible for licenses. OpenOffice proper (Sun->Oracle->Apache) is under a CLA; as is most Apache software to my understanding; as such Sun could transfer to Oracle which could transfer to Apache all the official OpenOffice code; meanwhile LibreOffice does not have a CLA and as such they cannot necessarily contribute their changes back to OpenOffice (the individual authors have to in order to make the license switch to the Apache license) and they may find themselves in a fractured state as a result at some point. But again - the jury is out on whether that is a good or bad thing.

In my experience... (2)

feepness (543479) | more than 2 years ago | (#38669772)

AT&T often doesn't have the network either.

AT&T to take on AWS? (2)

AlienSexist (686923) | more than 2 years ago | (#38669828)

Oh goodness no. Speaking from past dealings with AT&T hosting services they are the absolute last enterprise you would want to deal with. By far the worst of about 6 datacenters / co-location facilities I've used. Lowest quality at maximum price. One could only hope that AT&T will at least try to do a good job and offer some real competition in this space. If OpenStack will be driving all of the technology and AT&T just provides bandwidth then perhaps there is a chance for this to work. It would take far more than competitive pricing to encourage me to ever entrust AT&T with hosting responsibilities again. I do welcome choice however.

Re:AT&T to take on AWS? (1)

dave562 (969951) | more than 2 years ago | (#38670552)

Which data center were you in? Which other data centers are you comparing it to? We're co-located in an AT&T facility and I am constantly told by colleagues who have equipment in other centers that ours is much nicer than theirs. We've been there for seven years and never had a single facilities related issue.

S3, Not S2 (2)

Slashdot Parent (995749) | more than 2 years ago | (#38670210)

Simple Storage Service. S3. There is no S2.

Good luck with that (3, Informative)

JoeCommodore (567479) | more than 2 years ago | (#38670228)

Having used their hosting services, I'd be surprised if they could offer anything that would minimally verge on competition, except the part about them owning the wires too. Their hosting servers were abysmal, email sucked and IIRC then - it was cleartext passwords for email accounts. Unless they significantly added/fostered talent in the systems administration I don't think buying themselves into the market will help.

I really don't get it (3, Insightful)

Ramin_HAL9001 (1677134) | more than 2 years ago | (#38670306)

Yet another fail for IT World as far as I can tell; I haven't read a single good or informative article from that site.

When I think "walled garden", I think all services work on a single, proprietary platform, and that platform is owned by one company that controls what services are allowed with that platform, and what services are not. So unless AT&T owned every cable in the world (or even every cable in the US), which they don't, and even if every cable in the world used a communications protocol owned by AT&T (which isn't the case) then there is no platform, and so there can't be any walled garden.

So this Brian Proffitt guy has blown things out of proportion. A better headline would have been, "AT&T Plans to Throw its Hat into the Cloud Computing Ring." This isn't a walled garden, it is more like, "Hey, we have built large systems interconnected computers before, lets do it again with the lovable OpenStack running on top of it and sell it to guys who want cloud services!"

It makes sense to me (1)

dave562 (969951) | more than 2 years ago | (#38670542)

AT&T has data centers all over the globe. They already offer managed hosting services, in additional to traditional co-location agreements. A technology like OpenStack that allows users to self provision infrastructure services seems like a no brainer to me.

Re:It makes sense to me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38671448)

Yup. If anything AT&T already had the makings of a semi-walled garden (for customers that chose to use all of their stuff), and this OpenStack deal *decreases* lock-in. OpenStack is, in fact, an open standard. If you write your infrastructure configuration to deploy on AT&T's OpenStack-based services, that means it will be relatively easy to pick up and move to a different OpenStack-based cloud provider.

Amazon's the one building the walled garden. Luckily they don't take issue with people copying and genericizing their API, but still, once you go full-on AWS with your infrastructure, there's a level of inherent lock-in because a good number of AWS services have no counterpart in competing clouds.

lol brian profitt again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38670746)

Yay! Slashdot picks up another idiotic article from freetarded turd Brian Profitt. So how many of his grand predictions have been correct? Right, not many if any.

bashing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38671218)

Since when is anything made built by AT&T considered a "garden"?

Damn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38671878)

I'm tired of this "walled garden" thing. Can't you people make up other words for closed environments?

Why is it an issue since it is openstack? (2)

buchanmilne (258619) | more than 2 years ago | (#38672312)

"The announcement earlier this week that AT&T joined OpenStack, was greeted with much fanfare (of the 'woo hoo for open source' variety). But dig into why AT&T decided to sign up for OpenStack and things get a lot more interesting.

Would it be any better if AT&T used VMWare Cloud Director and other proprietary tools instead?

Why is it that a company that already provides physical server hosting (as most Telcos do) providing better virtual hosting (which most Telcos want to do) suddenly the creation of a walled garden?

Re:Why is it an issue since it is openstack? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38672336)

Because "walled garden" is a buzzword. What else would you expect from bullshit press like ITWorld? Prioritizing synergized deep innovative buzzword integration in headlines and articles incentivizes target audience, which provides better monetization opportunities for social media, increasing RoI.

Walled Ass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38672960)

The thing Apple and to a smaller part Google can provide that AT&T can't is interoperability with other devices in the home. THis is only going to expand and will keep these companies and maybe Samsung ahead of anything they try. We've just come off of a carrier only system and it didn't go so well. Apple and Google have innovated and changed the market. They've made the carriers more money than ever but they're still not happy not controlling the whole pie.
Hey Carriers you've failed at this game before.

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