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BASF Moves GM Plant Research From Europe To US

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the just-trying-to-blend-in dept.

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ananyo writes "The German chemical giant BASF is moving its transgenic plant operations from Europe to the U.S., it says, because of widespread opposition to the technology. The company on 16 January announced that it would move its plant science headquarters from Limburgerhof, Germany to Raleigh, North Carolina and no longer develop plants solely for cultivation in Europe. The division employs 157 people in Limburgerhof, plus another 63 at facilities elsewhere in Europe. BASF said it would relocate 123 of those jobs to the North Carolina facility. In statement, Stefan Marcinowski, a member of BASF's Board of Executive Directors, cited 'a lack of acceptance for this technology in many parts of Europe – from the majority of consumers, farmers and politicians.' The company instead plans to focus on plant biotechnology markets in the Americas and Asia."

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Great !! 123 more jobs, (4, Funny)

unity100 (970058) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718260)

And freak food that is genetically modified in an unbridled fashion ! what more can one ask .........

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (5, Insightful)

ExecutorElassus (1202245) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718292)

dude, if you aren't eating organic, you're already eating GMO. At least in the US.

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38718368)

I would not bet that "organic" makes it not GMO either.

Not that there's anything wrong with GMO. and not that "organic" means squat about nutritive value.

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38718860)

Er, no-one claims organic food is about nutritive value. We had this straw man played out in the UK a few years ago, which left the pro-GM people with egg on theor faces. It's mainly about not pumping toxic chemicals into the land, which is bad for obvious reasons.

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38719150)

Not that there's anything wrong with GMO.

Other than the people like me who are allergic to GMO products (in my case, GMO corn), but not the non-GMO product. Yes, I can eat organic corn products. but give me the cheaper to mass-produce gmo stuff, like Doritos, non-organic popcorn, etc, and see what happens:/

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (1, Insightful)

emilper (826945) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718372)

if you're eating, you're already eating GMO ... if you think GMO is freak-food you watched too much Ninja Turtles when you should have studied for the Biology/Science class ... there is no "Genetic Engineering" yet, only genetic tinkering and selecting (with a lot of praying involved) the best outcome, much like mother nature does. Humans have been growing GMO for milenia, and even have GM themselves ... if you're an adult and can metabolize milk, you're it.

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38718436)

Humans did not get lactose tolerance from artificial selection, we got it from natural selection. You know, from all the non-tolerant Europeans dying during the excessively long, cold winters.

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (2)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#38719186)

Actually, I'm pretty sure we humans don't have any genetic abilities that give us lactose tolerance at all. It's all because of the bacteria in our guts. Those of us with the right bacteria can digest lactose, those without can't.

Of course, natural selection led us to the present condition where European descendants mostly can digest lactose, but monkeying with our genetics isn't going to affect that.

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38719346)

Actually, lactose tolerance in humans is from an enzyme everyone produces when they are infants. That is why all (OK, the majority) of children world wide can consume milk. With the exception of two tribes, IIRC, in Africa and most of people with Northern European genes the enzyme production shuts down by ages 5-10, rendering the individual unable to break down Lactose.

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (5, Informative)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718486)

Humans have been growing GMO for milenia, and even have GM themselves ... if you're an adult and can metabolize milk, you're it.

Someone's trotting out this nonsense again?

There's a world of difference between selective breeding and playing mix-n-match genomes hands-on via gene-splicing.

P.S. It's "millennia".

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (1)

emilper (826945) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718712)

"playing mix-n-match genomes hands-on via gene-splicing."

do you really think BASF and Monsanto and the others do "playing mix-n-match genomes hands-on via gene-splicing." ?

they wish they would, but what they do is just induce mutations (radiations is the most popular method) and select the outcome ...

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (4, Interesting)

silanea (1241518) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718800)

Is that so? Now that makes me feel so much better about GM food! And here I was thinking they had some grand scheme to control all links in our food chain, all concisely orchestrated by some great mastermind. Instead they just randomly throw genes around and see what happens. Phew, what a relief!

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (0)

stanlyb (1839382) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718878)

Actually they are doing something like this: Hmm, nice OS we have here (DNA). I wonder what would happen if i change this bit (genome) of the funny looking kernel function.....Strange, i cannot do it, some nasty firewall stops me doing gods deeds. Oh, i see, what a nice stuxnet virus we have. OK, lets try it the hard way. Lets infiltrate as many viruses and let them to their nasty work. YES, I AM GENIUS. NOW I COULD CHANGE THIS BIT. 100 years later (10 ms computer time) because of the wide open doors, a thousand and thousand of viruses and in occupy the human body and do their nasty work. The senior a architect (mother nature) decides this little experiment is not working. FORMAT. Start again...

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (5, Informative)

andydread (758754) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718568)

... there is no "Genetic Engineering" yet, only genetic tinkering and selecting (with a lot of praying involved) the best outcome, much like mother nature does. Humans have been growing GMO for milenia, and even have GM themselves ... if you're an adult and can metabolize milk, you're it.

Please stop with that bullshit just stop. When you use a gene gun and blast dna from a bacterium randomly into the genome of a plant species so as that crop can be doused with Round-UP(tm) [google.com] you are not doing the same thing that farmers have been doing for millennia. sorry to bust your bubble.

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (1)

emilper (826945) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718758)

so, blast dna from a bacterium randomly ... so this does not happen in nature, right ?

you mean the GM-ers blast it randomly but it gets exactly right where they want it, no need for thousands of iterations and 99999 out of 100000 failures ?

of course they don't do what the neolithic farmers did, they just speed up the process and use plant clones and agar-agar in sterile environment to get it cheaper and faster

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38718816)

No, bacteria DNA does not find itself suddenly embedded in plant DNA just like that in nature.

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (2)

swv3752 (187722) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718884)

Hmm, actually it does. Not often, but it does happen. And then there is the whole issue of chloroplasts and mitochondria were once bacteria, and well...

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (1)

andydread (758754) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718918)

actually it does not get exactly where they want it because they don't even know where they want it. It ends up randomly into the helix of the crop and if they get the desired results (Round-UP resistance) then they push the seed out to market. Why don't you get more information before you come in here defending companies like Monsanto with pure speculation.

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38718968)

The state of California, OTOH is currently working on creating roundup ready non-native plants the old fashioned way. I've witnessed it myself. They sprayed non-native beach grass with that stuff, and a year later it's almost all gone. Key word is "almost". There are a few hardy plants still there. Are they round-up ready, missed spraying, or blow-ins from outside the control area? Nobody knows; but I bet sooner or later they'll be roundup ready. In the meantime Monsantblow gets its $$$ from a state that's on financial life support, and plenty of unemployed people that could, you know, just pull the suckers have nothing to do. Except for the homeless guy in Half Moon Bay that made a giant peace sign out of the things by pulling them up and laying them down in a pattern. I'd rather have a thousand guys like that stumbling around town than 1 Monsanto exec.

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (0)

emilper (826945) | more than 2 years ago | (#38719034)

they're just doing in open spaces what Monsanto did in a lab: cut a maize plant in very small pieces, plant the pieces in jars with agar-agar and nutrients, blast it with radiation or some other mutagen, let the clones develop, test with Roundup, find the most promising batch, let it grow a bit but not too long, cut the small plant into very small pieces etc. until they got a sample that worked, and then went on to find the best hybrid ...

lots of perspiration, and lots of inspiration too, because it's difficult to keep the lab sterile, persuade the tiny pieces of plant not to die and to grow faster etc.

the anti-GM crowd think it's done by magic by evil wizards in black coats while laughing lugubriously over dinners made of human flesh ...

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (1)

emilper (826945) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718866)

funny thing you say that, a few years ago DW (DeutscheWelle) had a show exactly about that, how the smart people at BASF do it in with random mutations, helped a bit by extra genetic material added into the mix, and lots and lots of selection, and even more fucking hoping it will work this time at last.

next time you'll tell me that that sheep, Dolly, was really a clone, not the result of a female gamete being raped by inserting into it the genetic materiel extracted from nucleus of another cell, and that Dolly was the perfect copy of the donor of the cell from which the nucleus was harvested, as if the mitochondria don't have any genetic information to pass on. Don't believe anything you're told ... or if you do, come to me I have some sure-thing shares to sell you in a biotech company ;) that will make you rich and cure cancer in mice.

ScyFy should be forbidden, people think it is all real. There is not genetic _engineering_ yet. We're still tinkering with it.

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (1)

andydread (758754) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718972)

Well what we are talking about here is GMO crops. that means Genetically Modified Organisms. Not discussing Genetic Engineering here. Way to play the red herring game. And the link that is posted is not SyFy channel You should watch it instead of spewing uninformed gibberish.

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (1)

emilper (826945) | more than 2 years ago | (#38719062)

oh, it was me that was playing the red herring game ... I missed that

everybody and everything is "Genetically Modified" ...

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718670)

dude, if you aren't eating organic, you're already eating GMO.

By GMO, you sure mean Gabbro, Mica, and Olivine - nothing organic in those. ;-)

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38718310)

Thanks to the best goverment money can buy.

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38718354)

What, exactly, do you think people will eat on our journey out to colonize the galaxy??

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (5, Insightful)

Fusselwurm (1033286) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718444)

What, exactly, do you think people will eat on our journey out to colonize the galaxy??

Transgenic plants. No complaint from me, it will be needed. Also, closed in a spaceship it cannot do much harm.
I just am a bit more hesitant about releasing GM plants into all the biosphere we have.

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (1)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718676)

I just am a bit more hesitant about releasing GM plants into all the biosphere we have.

Hey! Think about it from the point of the scientist! It's no longer "I drive down to the lab and work for eleven hours a day..." soon, it can be "*Maniacal Laughter* The entire WORLD IS MY LABORATORY, bow before me peasant!".

I mean, what next, the gene splicing scientists get the power to revoke the designation of a planet to a dwarf planet? Wait, what? Sorry, that's for another thread.

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (1)

interval1066 (668936) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718802)

Soylent green.

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (4, Insightful)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#38719258)

You don't need genetically-modified plants in a spaceship, where presumably you can use hydroponics to grow everything. The whole point of GMO, at least these days, is to make plants that are resistant to herbicides and pesticides, since trying to grow crops in a natural environment means you'll have to deal with weeds and insects that reduce the crop yield. That way, you can douse your farmland with all that shit, and the plants will still grow, without any insects or weeds reducing yields. Then, you can sell pesticide-laden plants as food to consumers.

In a spaceship, there's no natural environment; no weeds, no unwanted insects. You just bring the plants you want to grow, and grow them hydroponically for best yield. With no pests to deal with, you can use regular plants.

Re:Great !! 123 more jobs, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38718826)

Monsanto will not stand for this haha

ACFP (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38718262)

At ACFP, we don't make a lot of the first posts you read. We make a lot of the first posts you read better.

Quote from my friends at Monsanto: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38718294)

"We will crush you"

Re:Quote from my friends at Monsanto: (2)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718756)

Sue, Crush. They are so interchangable in the US.

On that note, seeing as plants cross polinate out in the wold, I wonder who gets to sue the poor farmer [wikipedia.org] whose normal crops are pollinated by both Monsanto's and BASF's genetically modified strands.

Re:Quote from my friends at Monsanto: (1)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 2 years ago | (#38719264)

The link you provided was to a description of a farmer getting sued for intentionally selecting the modified crops and replanting them to take advantage of the patented improvements.

It wasn't 'his normal crops' at all.

Thanks Limburgerhof!!! (4, Insightful)

RapidEye (322253) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718304)

The BASF facility in RTP has never been terribly large and/or important when compared to their neighbors.
These jobs will be a nice addition to the area and help elevate Biotech even further.
Thanks Limburgerhof!!!

Re:Thanks Limburgerhof!!! (2)

andydread (758754) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718626)

Biotech is good. Trusting corporations like Monsanto not to sweep issues under the rug [google.com] that they have found when it comes to food and biotech not so good.

Anti-Science Europeans Chase Business to America (5, Funny)

geoffrobinson (109879) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718412)

You have to admit, you weren't expecting to read that headline.

Re:Anti-Science Europeans Chase Business to Americ (2)

purpledinoz (573045) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718460)

Europeans aren't anti-science, they're against GM modified crops because they fear it's not safe. They don't want to be experimented on. I don't see GM modified crops as a problem, if they are tested for safety properly. But I would rather err on the safe side.

Re:Anti-Science Europeans Chase Business to Americ (5, Insightful)

Sique (173459) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718642)

And they are against GM food, because it's patent creep - doodle around in a little corner of the genome and patent the whole plant afterwards, thus gaining power over all people doing business with similar plants and destroying traditonal seed circulation.

Re:Anti-Science Europeans Chase Business to Americ (2)

ChromeAeonium (1026952) | more than 2 years ago | (#38719188)

One problem with that notion. Europeans oppose publicly funded research that would not have that problem too. Ever heard of the potatoes [slashdot.org] at the University of Ghent, the government funded grape rootstocks [redgreenandblue.org] in France, or the government funded wheat & potatoes [gmo-safety.eu] and apples [gmo-safety.eu] in Germany? Destroyed. Meanwhile, I've never heard of them having any problem with patented non-GE plants. Maybe the patents factor into it, but you really can't take the patent or corporate angle here. The main issue is the science. They're against genetic engineering and ALL GE crops, regardless of specific circumstances, period, and they're not going to let nuance or facts or science change their minds about that.

Re:Anti-Science Europeans Chase Business to Americ (1)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 2 years ago | (#38719194)

Sorry that's bullshit. The patent you get is on the improvement to the plant, not the plant itself.

Re:Anti-Science Europeans Chase Business to Americ (4, Insightful)

DigitalSorceress (156609) | more than 2 years ago | (#38719236)

It's funny - the IP/Patent Creep angle is actually the most compelling and possibly only legitimate argument against GM food. If this is the real reason behind the protesting, then it's doing the right thing (fighting GM food) for the right reason (Patent Creep / IP / Corporate greed controlling food)

However, I bet there really are a lot of "frankenfood" protestors there too.. folks who are doing the right thing (fighting GM food) for the wrong reason. I worry about that crowd because it's like handing the corporate apologists a giant strawman.

Re:Anti-Science Europeans Chase Business to Americ (5, Interesting)

rahvin112 (446269) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718710)

And that fear is an irrational fear of the science behind it. Many of the crops have been in use for several decades and proven not only safe but in the case of corn, highly effective at reducing pesticide use yet they are still banned in Europe. Not because there is any evidence showing that they are bad, but because the public at large fears them. In fact there has been lots of studies showing a complete lack of harm and not a single study showing harm yet they are still banned.

They were erring on the safe side in the first 5 years this stuff was used, 20 years down the road they aren't on the safe side anymore, they are on irrational side. And yes it is most certainly anti-science (anti crop science), it's just a different variety than the kind in the US.

Re:Anti-Science Europeans Chase Business to Americ (5, Insightful)

silanea (1241518) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718948)

Is it so irrational? Look at Japan. People there believed in progress, in technology, with an almost religious fervour. Until a disaster laid bare not flaws in the science, mind you, but flaws in the humans profiting off it. The same goes for our European anti-GM sentiments: Do you in all seriousness trust the likes of Monsanto or BASF not to put cash over lives? No matter how sound the science behind GM is, there already are enough reasons to be very mindful of what food I buy. And all of them are down to some greedy fucks trying to skim off just a little bit more. I do not need another layer of adverse interests thrown into the mix.

Re:Anti-Science Europeans Chase Business to Americ (1)

BlackPignouf (1017012) | more than 2 years ago | (#38719290)

Screw that.
The reason people don't want GMO'S is because they are pushed by Monsanto, a company that wouldn't be scared to eat babies and sell grand-parents for profit.
Microsoft is all rainbows and unicorns in comparison to them, and a lot of people on /. don't like them.

Re:Anti-Science Europeans Chase Business to Americ (3)

nisse-j (1044566) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718776)

"if they are tested for safety properly" Right. With emphasis on "properly". Any GMO research done by the industry itself can obviously not be trusted, unless you are extremely naive and gullible. Let's see what independent researchers say about it: http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/13/opinion/la-oe-guriansherman-seeds-20110213 [latimes.com] Oh, wait. I find it pathetic that this "Anti-Science" garbage is thrown around any time someone is skeptic of something presented under the guise of "science". Perhaps that's part of the strategy though. Use some critical thinking, people, if you are capable of it.

Re:Anti-Science Europeans Chase Business to Americ (2)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718798)

Just as those who doubt humans are causing global warming, because its a conspiracy of socialist to screw them over somehow*.
Just as those who doubt evolution, because its just a theory and not a fact like gravity.

* ( never really understood that one, so its tought to parody).

That is blatant technophobia (0)

Rix (54095) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718938)

If there were a reason to believe GM foods were unsafe, you might have a point, but there isn't. It's just blind superstition.

Re:Anti-Science Europeans Chase Business to Americ (1)

eulernet (1132389) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718982)

But I would rather err on the safe side.

Totally agree !
I'm european, and I suffer from an incurable illness: celiac disease http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coeliac_disease [wikipedia.org]
I'm not a vegetarian, and I don't eat organic food.

When I eat gluten, and most particularly wheat, I become very tired, I get a giant dermatosis and my articulations hurt in less than one hour.
In fact, my intestinal villi are destroyed when exposed to gliadin, and this leads to cancer after several years.

It took me more than 10 years to discover why I was constantly ill, since my doctor thought it was the "Irritable Bowel Syndrome" (he never heard about celiac disease before).
All the symptoms disappeared after a week-long gluten-free diet.
Now, I need to eat and sleep less, because my body absorbs all the nutrients in the food, and I have less problems with my emotions (I'm probably less autistic).

BTW, since I have only been recently diagnosed, I still don't know what other kinds of food I'm allergic to.
Beer and milk cause me pain.
Buying food takes a lot of time, since wheat is everywhere: soy sauce, ham, bread, most frozen food, some chocolates, etc...

Wheat has been "improved" by selection, so GM food is probably even more dangerous. Who knows what kind of allergy might appear, and in how much time will it be detected ? Can you imagine that people may die from cancer at 40 after ingesting GM during all their life ? How can you prevent that ?

In fact, all the foods that have been improved (wheat, milk, corn, ...) are dangerous for me, so GM is a big no no.

Celiac disease seems to affect 1% of the population, but how much people will be diagnosed ?

Re:Anti-Science Europeans Chase Business to Americ (2)

DanTheStone (1212500) | more than 2 years ago | (#38719282)

Milk's issue for Celiac disease sufferers is generally due to the lack of cilia. If you're gluten-free long enough to regenerate them, you should be fine with milk again. It's not because there's little gluten proteins in your GM milk. And in what world is genetically modified corn harmful to people with Celiac disease?

Maybe you don't have supermarkets in Europe, but there are tons of them here in the US. They always have a gluten-free section in the natural foods area, and many of our other products have dropped an ingredient and are now gluten-free as well (especially cereals). I don't know what frozen foods you're buying, but I constantly read labels and straight frozen vegetables and meat are always safe. Do you mean the frozen prepared meals? Here, you just need to be prepared to go to the right part of the store for those (and pay 3-5 times as much money). I even know local pizza places that have gluten-free options now.

I hate to sound like a jerk, but I'm surprised you haven't done more research on your disease. There's a lot of information on it out there, and life doesn't suck for you like it would have 20 years ago.

Re:Anti-Science Europeans Chase Business to Americ (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718616)

People are quite rightly concerned because if there is something wrong with GM food and it gets into nature it's not going to disappear easily. if it can be proven to be safe no one has a problem with it.

Re:Anti-Science Europeans Chase Business to Americ (0)

Rix (54095) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718984)

If there was something wrong with GM food it would be selected against in nature, and thus not spread.

Re:Anti-Science Europeans Chase Business to Americ (1)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 2 years ago | (#38719182)

You can't prove that something is safe. So you are setting up an impossible to satisfy barrier.

If this sort of logic were applied at the time of the discovery of fire we would still be living in dark unheated caves and eating our food raw.

Re:Anti-Science Europeans Chase Business to Americ (0)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38719336)

If this sort of logic were applied at the time of the discovery of fire we would still be living in dark unheated caves and eating our food raw.

Well, duh. You just described the Greenist Utopia.

Re:Anti-Science Europeans Chase Business to Americ (1, Offtopic)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718678)

In regards to your signature:
There are somewhere between 12 and 27 million slaves right now.
China, an ostensibly Communist country, has over a billion inhabitants.

The Nazis and American independence, those are valid points... except for the increasingly fascist rules the US keeps passing and forcing on other countries at the behest of corporations.

Re:Anti-Science Europeans Chase Business to Americ (1)

Avarist (2453728) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718708)

Worst signature I've seen on /. congrats.

Organic Smorganic (2)

vaene (1981644) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718428)

Unless your organic farm is hermetically sealed, chances are getting greater and greater that you'll be close enough to a GMO farm to cross pollinate, whether by wind or rapidly diminishing bee population. Monsanto, BASF and their ilk have already won, lets just hope that we got the non sterile seed time capsules fully stocked in preparation for the imminent food collapse.

BASF still exists? (2)

Greger47 (516305) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718484)

Wow!

BASF still exists? To me BASF is this [youtube.com] , and I haven't heard them since. :)

/greger

Re:BASF still exists? (5, Informative)

teg (97890) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718682)

Wow!

BASF still exists? To me BASF is this [youtube.com] , and I haven't heard them since. :)

BASF [wikipedia.org] is the largest chemical company in the world - more than twice the size of DuPont. 2010 revenues were almost 64 billion €.

Re:BASF still exists? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38718790)

But at least he hasnt heard of them because they stopped advertising....

Re:BASF still exists? (4, Informative)

pesho (843750) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718788)

Wow! These were the times, when we cared about chrome dioxide tapes. Then the CDs came bout and everything went downhill. Seriously, this is one of the largest chemical companies in the world. you don't here about them, because they no longer market to consumers, at least in the US. But if you need 100 metric tons of a pigment, or a polymer, or any other chemical they are the guys to go to.

So (1)

no-body (127863) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718526)

If GMO food labeling would be happening in the US, some priorities on affected companies would change there as well.

Re:So (5, Informative)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718624)

If the UPC starts with 9, it's organic.

If it starts with 8, it's GM.

If there's another number, it's conventionally farmed.

For once, lazy programming helps slashdotters.

Re:So (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38718914)

If the UPC starts with 9, it's organic. If it starts with 8, it's GM.

Incredible. That seemed like a myth, but I looked it up and it's indeed true [innvista.com] .

The link covers labelling for North America, the UK and Australia.

Re:So (5, Interesting)

pesho (843750) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718954)

The GM labeling is a little fuzzy according to this site http://www.innvista.com/health/foods/organics/labeling.htm [innvista.com] :

In 1992, the FDA declared that biotech foods were the same as conventional foods – because the biotech companies said so. The number 8 was then instituted since the produce industry thought consumers would prefer genetically modified food moreso than conventionally grown food. It did not take long for them to find out differently. Although the number 8 designation can still be found, it is rare. The biotech industry is also fighting any sort of labeling for their inventions – now that they know consumers really do not want them. As it stands now, Hawaiian papaya is about the only food you will find that has the number 8 in front of it.

You can have GMO labelling if you want (0)

Rix (54095) | more than 2 years ago | (#38719006)

There's absolutely nothing stopping grocers from giving you this information. Forcing them to do so would imply that there's something harmful about GMO foods, which is what you technophobes really want to do.

That's RIGHT MOVE ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38718538)

Europe doesn't need genetically modified plants and humans. We better stay closer to the nature.
If US accepts that - it's their decision.

Happy genetically modified food, hamburgers and mcdonalds to you !

Re:That's RIGHT MOVE ! (2)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718824)

Maybe. The thing is no one knows for sure the effects of GM on human bodies, animal bodies, plant bodies and Evolution in general, over a long period of time.
Marie Curie discovered the radium (1898) and died of its poisoning (1934), unknown at the time.
Time will tell.

This is forward thinking (5, Funny)

ozduo (2043408) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718582)

This is nothing new, for years business has been shifting manufacturing to impoverished countries to take advantage of cheap labour. They are just thinking ahead!

Re:This is forward thinking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38718680)

19th Century America was offshoring...for the Europe. The amout of money saved in the production of cotton goods exported to Europe, by using slave labor is just staggering. How can you compete against a labor cost of zero!

Re:This is forward thinking (0)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38719318)

How can you compete against a labor cost of zero!

Since when do slaves have a labor cost of zero?

The USSR couldn't even make the Gulags profitable.

Re:This is forward thinking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38719332)

They are moving because what they do is not very popular in Germany.

While you're at it... (1)

SDcard (2498974) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718652)

...maybe BASF could investigate using sequencing some intelligence into the politicians

Re:While you're at it... (1)

ragahast (879945) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718786)

...maybe BASF could investigate using sequencing some intelligence into the politicians

Unfortunately, they would engineer them to be congenitally incapable of refusing bribes.

I remember BASF (1)

IGnatius T Foobar (4328) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718660)

They made really great cassette tapes!

Re:I remember BASF (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38718958)

"They made really great cassette tapes!"

If you have Jewish relations, their Cyklon B was also exceptional.

Dangerous Tech Dumped in 3rd World (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38718698)

They feel its too dangerous to meddle with near their homes. Apparently Eastern Europe, where they usually dump this stuff, is still too close for comfort. Tschernóbyl, and all that. So, they've offshored it, dumping it in the third world. Giiven Fukushima et al., recently, that's a surprisingly responsible attitude, on their part.

Manufacturing been migrating South (1, Offtopic)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718748)

They're Right-to-Work (without benefits) states and they've been enticing European companies for a while now. Why pay a union guy $20/hr with benefits when you can pay a Southerner $10/hr who will also vote to make sure you keep his pay and benefits low?

Re:Manufacturing been migrating South (2)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 2 years ago | (#38719152)

These are not $20/hr union jobs. These are high paid science and technology jobs.

I assume they are going into Raleigh because it is part of the Research Triangle.

ah, north carolina (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38718764)

They have admitted evoluion exists there, right?

Or maybe they haven't so BASF won't have to admit anything since without evolution, genetics means nothing.

US doesn't mandate disclosure (5, Informative)

Kagato (116051) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718772)

In Europe the market gets to decide if they want GMO food. That happens because they have labeling and menu laws that require the disclosure. It's capitalism at work. BASF is free to grow all the GMO it wants. But they have to sell GMO to the consumers. Here in the US you can pretty much put what you want into foods without nearly as much disclosure.

No (0, Flamebait)

Rix (54095) | more than 2 years ago | (#38719024)

Capitalism at work would be allowing food to be labelled, not forcing it to be. There's nothing stopping you from asking for your superstitions to be pandered to, whether it be kosher, halal, veganism or this.

Good, some balance. (0)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718796)

This is great. At least it's a counter to those businesses that have to leave the US because of nutjob stance 'A'. Here's a company that came to the US because of Europe's nutjob stance 'B'

Where's my frankenfood? (2, Interesting)

flibbidyfloo (451053) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718804)

I keep waiting for all this "frankenfood" the Luddites promise I'll see, but all we get are more resiliant, disease and pest resistant crops that have the potential to feed the starving, etc etc.

Where are my grapples (grapes the size of apples)? Where is my chocolate flavored bananas that grow in a temperate environment? Where is the wheat I can bake into a pizza crust that has all my RDA vitamins along with a weight-loss ingreiant?

And god dangit, where are my real booberries?

Wow, 123 Jobs!!! (3, Insightful)

mbrod (19122) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718832)

30 years of Conservative ideology has finally paid off.

Positive sign (0, Flamebait)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718902)

This is good news. In 10 years, when tens of thousands of terrorists are created from the populations who have been most damaged by the use of transgenics in food, maybe they'll see Germany as the enemy instead of the US.

We should never feel bad when a dangerous, sociopathic corporations decides to move its 100 jobs someplace else.

Now, if we can just convince DuPont and ADM to do the same. I hear the latest corn and sugar beet frankensteins are so toxic that not even rats will eat them. There are hundreds of peer-reviewed scientific articles that link these poisonous creations to all sorts of diseases and birth defects, so maybe we should have had a little discussion before the FDA approved them for sale overseas without so much as a tiny indication on teh package that they are GMO.

Is there anything so bad that a corporation won't do it in order to get a small bump in stock price?

Re:Positive sign (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38719030)

There are hundreds of peer-reviewed scientific articles that link these poisonous creations to all sorts of diseases and birth defects

How about a couple of citations?

I'll take anything I can get at this point. (1, Troll)

Karmashock (2415832) | more than 2 years ago | (#38718908)

Just about any business that wants to relocate the US is welcome. And really, we're well suited to this one. GMO doesn't scare us and whatever some people think it's the future.

So I'm very happy the US is increasing market share in an industry with huge growth potential and effectively infinite life span because this is a business that will never go away.

Re:I'll take anything I can get at this point. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38719174)

How desperate can you get to welcome the German Monsanto clone to your country. To make a lot of money they have to increase food prices. Well I hope you get a good job which does not imply suppressing, killing, poisoning or otherwise harming people.

Re:I'll take anything I can get at this point. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38719270)

To make a lot of money they have to increase food prices.

You mean like derpy 'organic' tools are doing?

Protip: There's only so much arable land in the world. Meanwhile, population keeps increasing exponentially.

Enjoy your $20 insect-riddled cauliflower that barely made it out of a catastrophic blighted harvest, you green menace.

Skilled Workers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38718964)

"it would move its plant science headquarters from Limburgerhof, Germany to Raleigh, North Carolina"

Good luck finding qualified workers in the land of Intelligent Design.

Re:Skilled Workers? (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#38719300)

Maybe they should move to the Moon [ironsky.net] instead, where their compatriots are already hard at work.

GM Ready Weeds & Bugs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38719016)

Great just what we need. So far GM foods have been a failure. Yes after as less than 20 years the weeds and bugs have adapted and now we have Roundup Ready weeds. Monsanto's brilliant idea to control them .... hand weeding and extremely toxic hand application of sprays. Very manual and time consuming. Now we have bugs that are developing resistance and can't be killed off with pesticide.

Yep I'd say mother nature is bitch slapping the stupid humans and their hubris again.

And last but not least there now appears to be a "new to science" organism on the loose from GM crops.

Even more alarming, Dr. Don M. Huber, one of the senior scientists in the U.S., has alerted the federal government to a newly discovered organism related to GM crops may be causing plant death, and infertility and spontaneous abortion in animals fed GM crops.

"Based on a review of the data, it is widespread, very serious, and is in much higher concentrations in Roundup Ready (RR) soybeans and corn—suggesting a link with the RR gene or more likely the presence of Roundup. This organism appears NEW to science! ... I believe the threat we are facing from this pathogen is unique and of a high-risk status. In layman's terms, it should be treated as an emergency."

Isn't evolution by definition, GM? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38719020)

Same thing nature does, except we do it quicker.

Semi-Perfect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38719046)

It is good that BASF gave up to sell and develop their shit in Germany. They should tell this to Monsanto so they take their rubbish with them. Unfortunately they will continue research in the US. So my condolences go to the US. Sorry pals.

Do not misinterpret that. Germans a pro gene-technology for pharmacy products or to develop replacement organs. But, food has to be free of transgene junk. And plants should not be designed to work only with one companies pesticides. The farmer should be free to seed whatever they want without patent issues. We want FOSS food ;-)

Get the hint? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38719156)

>member of BASF's Board of Executive Directors, cited 'a lack of acceptance for this technology in many parts of Europe – from the majority of consumers, farmers and politicians

To my limited understanding, that is "everyone".

The difference in the usa is that big companies rule the country, so they can do what the hell they want, and then ship this crap to developing countries.

You guys really need to sort your politics out.

Re:Get the hint? (0)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 2 years ago | (#38719276)

Actually in this case I think the US politics are getting it right - choosing science over neo-Luddism and superstition is generally the way you want to go.

Meanwhile, stem-cell research migrated to Europe (2)

rbrander (73222) | more than 2 years ago | (#38719238)

We have to stop this shopping around for the country with the loosest morals!

It starts here, but before you know it, they'll be migrating good jobs to countries with appalling labour and environmental practices because those low morals make manufacturing cheaper! Up to 40,000 factories in the US could be lost this way!

Oh, wait, my briefing paper says "1982" not "2012". Damn. What? It already happened?

Never mind...

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