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June 6 Is World IPv6 Day 2012: This Time For Keeps

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the you-break-it-you-bought-it dept.

Networking 463

An anonymous reader writes "On 8 June 2011 many companies (big and small) enabled IPv6 to their main web sites by published AAAA records; 24 hours later, almost all of them disabled it after the test was done. This year, on June 6th, many of those same companies (Google, Bing, Facebook) will be enabling IPv6 again, but this time there won't be any going back. In addition to content providers, several ISPs are also participating: Comcast, AT&T, XS4ALL, KDDI, and others. CDNs Akamai and Limelight are on board, as well as network equipment manufacturers Cisco and D-Link. Is the chicken-and-egg problem of IPv6 finally, slowly coming to an end?"

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Organized trolling campaign on Slashdot (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38734592)

GreatBunzinni [slashdot.org] has been posting anonymous accusations [slashdot.org] listing a whole bunch of Slashdot accounts as being part of a marketing campaign for Microsoft, without any evidence. GreatBunzinni has accidentally outed himself [slashdot.org] as this anonymous poster. Half the accounts he attacks don't even post pro-Microsoft rhetoric. The one thing they appear to have in common is that they have been critical of Google in the past. GreatBunzinni has been using multiple accounts to post these "shill" accusations, such as Galestar [slashdot.org] , NicknameOne [slashdot.org] , and flurp [slashdot.org] .

That's not the problem. The problem is that moderators gave him +5 Informative and are now modding down the accused, even for legitimate posts. Metamoderation is supposed to address this by filtering out the bad moderators, but clearly it's not working.

This "shill" crap that has been flying around lately has to stop. It's restricting a variety of viewpoints from participating on the site and creating an echo chamber.

Re:Organized trolling campaign on Slashdot (-1, Redundant)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734624)

You and the shills are both gonna be next on the list, [slashdot.org] fucko.

Sigh, where are the gool ol' GNAA trolls? And why am I getting "Guru mediation" errors? If they were gurus, their websites wouldn't be throwing errors.

Re:Organized trolling campaign on Slashdot (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38734956)

Slashdot does indeed suck these days. Check out this list of rejected stories I compiled:

        2010-06-28 03:09:37 Hemos And Signal 11 Are Fags! (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-06-28 16:44:32 Rob Malda Is Gay! (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-06-28 16:59:11 Emmett Chokes On Jon Katz's Dick! (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-06-28 17:08:38 Slashdot Officially "Sucks" (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-06-28 17:44:39 Roblimo Went Down On RMS For $5 (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-06-29 03:10:29 Rob Malda Caught Sucking Off Bruce Perens (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-06-29 05:22:24 Slashdot Is A Pile Of Shit (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-06-29 05:27:59 ESR And RMS Gangbang Hemos And Taco! (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-07-17 10:19:41 You Are Gay (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-07-27 22:02:53 Hemos Blows Out Rob's Ass (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-08-01 10:15:50 Slashdot Renamed "Band Of Faggots" (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-08-02 09:27:53 Malda And Hemos Involved In Major Gangbang (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-08-04 11:16:53 Rob Malda & ESR: First Gay Geek Marriage? (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-08-04 11:23:27 Katz Drinks 1 Gallon Of Semen A Day (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-08-04 11:28:45 Emmett Gives Rimjobs To The Entire FSF! (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-08-04 11:37:51 Anal Warts Have Slashdot Staff In Health Worry (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-08-04 11:48:53 Canker Sore Halts Rob's Cocksucking Habits (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-08-04 12:02:58 Fractured Penis Ends ESR Reaming RMS! (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-08-04 12:07:59 Slashdot To Sponsor Gay Games 2010 (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-08-04 12:13:41 ESR Seduces Emmett; Malda And Hemos Jealous (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-08-04 13:02:23 Slashdot To Sell Jelly Dildos For Gay Geeks? (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-08-04 13:08:15 ESR "Backwards Engineers" Malda's Rectum (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-08-10 20:28:04 Malda's Rectum? Nearly Killed'im! (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-08-10 20:33:09 Emmett "Opens The Source" To Timothy's Colon (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-08-10 20:39:29 Roblimo Glunks All Over Taco's Face; Taco Smiles (articles,news)
        2010-08-10 23:49:35 Malda Shaves Bruce Perens's Cock & Balls For Charity (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-08-15 14:42:54 RMS Renames FSF To "Free Sex Foundation" (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-08-15 15:01:47 Rob's Balls Smell Like Ass After Fucking Hemos (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-08-15 16:06:40 ESR Transmits Herpes To RMS; FSF Declares War On Open Source (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-08-16 08:42:26 Hemos Places Emmett's Ass-Virginity Under GPL! (articles,news) (rejected)
        2010-08-16 08:49:12 Hemos Places Dick Under LGPL; RMS Approves (articles,news) (rejected)
        2011-01-04 21:32:43 Malda Rapes Hemos; No Charges Pressed (articles,news) (rejected)
        2011-01-04 21:56:20 Hemos Changes Name To Homos, Blows RMS To Celebrate (articles,news) (rejected)
        2011-04-23 04:29:46 A Nugget For You! (articles,news) (rejected)
        2011-04-23 04:35:17 Taco Wraps Hemo's Burrito In Ass Cheeks (articles,news) (rejected)
        2011-05-10 14:32:16 Michael Is A Fucking Asshole (articles,news) (rejected)
        2011-05-17 18:37:41 CmdrTaco's Breath Smells Of Feces (articles,news) (rejected)
        2011-06-07 14:08:05 Michael Sims: Censoring To Hide His Faggotry (articles,news) (rejected)
        2011-06-07 16:11:54 Nazi Michael Busts A Nut, Faggot Malda Swallows (articles,news) (rejected)
        2011-06-19 20:26:14 Michael And Timothy Censor One Another's Cocks (articles,news) (rejected)
        2011-06-19 20:32:01 Roblimo's Beard Encrusted With Slashot Staff Cum (bsd,bsd) (rejected)
        2011-06-19 21:00:43 Michael Shaves Pubic Hair; RMS Looks On Eagerly (yro,gnustep) (rejected)
        2011-06-20 19:07:51 Rob Malda Sucks Cock for Chiclets (articles,news) (rejected)
        2011-06-20 19:16:37 ESR Injects Malda's Semen Twice Daily (features,pilot) (rejected)
        2011-06-20 19:21:57 JonKatz Accidental Dildo Suicide (articles,news) (rejected)
        2011-06-20 19:27:25 Emmet's Asshole "Messy Wreck," No More Asspounding (apache,xmas) (rejected)
        2011-06-20 19:33:38 Rob Malda Chugs ESR's Chilled Semen: "Ahhhhh" (articles,be) (rejected)
        2011-09-19 12:59:58 FreeBSD 4.4 Released (articles,news) (rejected)
        2011-10-24 18:46:05 The Ultimate Troll Tuesday (features,slashdot) (rejected)
        2012-01-14 05:58:32 Jamie And Michael Rape Each Other? (articles,news) (rejected)
        2012-01-14 15:33:29 Malda Tears Anus In Potato Stunt (articles,news) (rejected)
        2012-01-14 15:49:04 Jamie Mistaken For Woman; Doesn't Correct Error (articles,news) (rejected)
        2012-01-14 16:52:58 Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda Fires Polynesian House Boy (articles,news) (rejected)
        2012-01-15 17:33:29 ESR "Pours Pecker" To Slashdot Editorial Staff (articles,news) (rejected)
        2012-01-15 18:38:58 Slash Sucks Resources Like Taco Sucks Dick: "A Lot" (articles,news) (rejected)

Hey (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38734608)

What the fuck happened to Wikipedia?

Re:Hey (0)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734664)

its next to your brain

Re:Hey (4, Informative)

shentino (1139071) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734756)

Just disable javascript

Re:Hey (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38734840)

Why the fuck didn't they redirect en.wikipedia.org to somethingelse.wikipedia.org ?

Must be because Jimbo is a pornographer, those types are known to be lazy.

Re:Hey (2, Informative)

knifeyspooney (623953) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735294)

Or, just press ESC before it forwards you to the blackout page.

Re:Hey (1)

djh2400 (1362925) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734868)

What the fuck happened to Wikipedia?

this [slashdot.org]

Re:Hey (1)

akanouras (1431981) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735180)

Try the HTTPS version [wikipedia.org] instead.

Re:Hey (1)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735240)

I just checked, and it's blacked out too.

I'm not changing to IPv6 on a specific date... (1, Funny)

NotQuiteReal (608241) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734620)

Especially at home. Who's with me?

Re:I'm not changing to IPv6 on a specific date... (2)

penguinstorm (575341) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734652)

Viva la revoluzione, my friend but seriously...are you going to hold out forever?

Re:I'm not changing to IPv6 on a specific date... (5, Funny)

Nursie (632944) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735034)

Viva la revoluzione, my friend but seriously...are you going to hold out forever?

Hell Yes!

If enough of us do it, those profiteering assholes at Big Internet$ will be forced to deal with us on our terms and open up all that extra space they're holding out on.

What extra space you say? Ever heard of a number greater than 255?

It's a conspiracy I tell you. They're all in it! Google, Micro$oft, IBM, The Queen, the Vatican, the Getty's, the Rothchild's and Colonel Sanders before he went tits up! They're trying to keep our eyes shut to the truth!

Wake up! We have all the IPv4 addresses we need! Why at home all my machiens in the 478.921.357.* range!

Re:I'm not changing to IPv6 on a specific date... (5, Funny)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735214)

I see you missed the Freemasons. Your oversight is why they will continue to screw you over.

Unite all Post today support protest of SOPA, PIPA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38735042)

Why isn't Slashdot participating? Didn't they care about an open internet at one point??
Slashdoters participate in the protest....
All post to any article today should be in protest of SOPA and PIPA.

Re:I'm not changing to IPv6 on a specific date... (2, Interesting)

RoLi (141856) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735298)

are you going to hold out forever?

Yes, I'll be "holding out" with over 99% of users out there.

People, there will never be a IPv6 transition [in-other-news.com] , period.

The crazy idea of the IPv6-designers was to expect all admins to request and configure new addresses - completely utopian.

Yes, NAT is not pretty. Yes, IPv6 would allow for a much cleaner network. But, no, that is not enough to push anybody to IPv6. There are no IPv6-ONLY services, therefore no benefit of running IPv6 on a client (regardless of dualstack). There are also no IPv6-ONLY clients, therefore no benefit of running IPv6 on a server (regardless of dualstack).

The alternative to IPv6 to work around the problem with NAT. And in fact that is the only way, because setting up IPv6 is useless because less than 1% use it while setting up a NAT-based solution, no matter how ugly, will get used and will get you some return of investment. And you know what? Because such NAT-based solutions are created everyday right now, they make IPv4 even more entrenched and any IPv6-transition even more complicated than it would have been before.

Oh, and on a private network, which is behind a NAT anyway, there is even less reason for IPv6 - Yes, I do have enough 10.0.0.0 addresses for my home network.

Re:I'm not changing to IPv6 on a specific date... (4, Interesting)

DesScorp (410532) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734686)

Especially at home. Who's with me?

Pretty much everyone.

Re:I'm not changing to IPv6 on a specific date... (2)

GPLHost-Thomas (1330431) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734732)

Nobody asked you to switch your home ADSL/cable to ipv6, but to have a dual stack and support both. I'd like the "IPv6 is useless" argument to simply stop. There's no reason for saying that. IPv6 is just another cyber space, there's nothing fancy, new, with it, it should be commonly accepted as something we MUST have, right now.

Frankly, in these days and ages, if you're an ISP and don't have v6 support, you're just a ... (replace the dots with your favorite insult). I'd understand that you might have a very old home router at home that wouldn't support it though, but if ISPs were doing their jobs correctly, this should be the last piece of equipment that would be problematic, not your ISP's.

Re:I'm not changing to IPv6 on a specific date... (1)

smash (1351) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734764)

TO be fair, the ISP world runs on very low margins, and until the available IPv4 address space the ISP already owns becomes short (i.e., cost to obtain more IPs exceeds cost to implement IPv6) then there is simply zero business case to be amongst the early adopters who will be first to run into issues.

My home ISP (internode) runs IPv6 native on their ADSL2 service, but they're an exception rather than the rule.

I'm as keen as anyone to run IPv6 everywhere (LAN/WAN design and implementation is my day job), but I can certainly see why it hasn't been rolled out everywhere yet.

Re:I'm not changing to IPv6 on a specific date... (3, Insightful)

GPLHost-Thomas (1330431) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734814)

there is simply zero business case to be amongst the early adopters

That sentence is simply wrong. Maybe not a lot, but you can't say zero. Some customers might choose an ISP because of the v6 support, or rather, some might not use an ISP because he doesn't support v6 (and if you want it another way: IPv6 dual stack is a very valid selling point).

See companies like Hurricane Electric, a large part of their current success has been IPv6 support. That story alone shows that it really is possible to make more money because you do support v6 while others don't. Now soon, customers will soon start to run away if you don't have v6. That day might well be the next 6th of June!

Re:I'm not changing to IPv6 on a specific date... (2, Interesting)

afabbro (33948) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734928)

There's no reason for saying that. IPv6 is just another cyber space, there's nothing fancy, new, with it, it should be commonly accepted as something we MUST have, right now.

Except that it's not. There are billions of addresses - entire A blocks - locked up in early-adopter organizations that could be made available. For example, the US Post Office doesn't really need it's own A block. Nor do most organizations who own them. And B blocks? Thousands are unneeded. My old university has a B block and it's ridiculous...it's all behind a firewall except for a few numbers anyway. For most orgs, it's just that the money that these big blocks could be sold for doesn't exceed the cost of renumbering to 10.x internally. It will someday soon.

We're years away from ipv4 exhaustion.

Re:I'm not changing to IPv6 on a specific date... (4, Insightful)

lactose99 (71132) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735004)

It would be more constructive to use whatever energy needed to pressure legacy IPv4 holders to give-up their space to start planning a move to v6 or at least a dual-stack architecture. This is like people complaining there's still momentum left in the cassette tape when CDs have been around for years. Postponing the inevitable doesn't stop the inevitable from happening.

Re:I'm not changing to IPv6 on a specific date... (1)

mcavic (2007672) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735344)

Not exactly. CD's have many visible advantages over cassettes.

Re:I'm not changing to IPv6 (0)

muon-catalyzed (2483394) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734780)

Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. We are the FGB (Facebook, Google, Bing). Your new shiny IPv6 ass will get tracked for ads and other screening purposes.

Re:I'm not changing to IPv6 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38734954)

You are getting tracked now on the IPv4 stack. So what is the difference?

Re:I'm not changing to IPv6 (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735406)

Slightly more precise tracking, possibly - rather than just tracking households by IP address, they could track individual computers within. As they already achieve that using cookies though, really nothing at all changes privacy-wise.

Re:I'm not changing to IPv6 on a specific date... (1)

Randle_Revar (229304) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734846)

I had dual stack on for a while, I haven't set the tunnel back up since I moved, but I will before that date. And maybe Comcast will let me get native IPv6 at that time.

Re:I'm not changing to IPv6 on a specific date... (4, Interesting)

slimjim8094 (941042) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734892)

Me too! Instead, I did it on a random day where I was bored, about 4 years ago. Took about 2 hours and I haven't thought about it since.

Oh, did you mean "I'm not going to use IPv6"?

Re:I'm not changing to IPv6 on a specific date... (4, Insightful)

mcrbids (148650) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735312)

Sure, it *sounds* easy, but it's not.

My wireless router does not support IPV6, and it wasn't created in the stone age, a Linksys WRT54G2. (3ish years old) Sure, it was cheap, but it's also hard to justify spending more to replace reliably working equipment. A "nice" router that supports IPV6 with grace will probably cost $50 or more.

My Comcast modem is my own. I bought it for $20 because I didn't want to pay $7/month for the DOCSIS 3.0 modem. But because it's a DOCSIS 2.0 Modem, IPV6 support is limited. A DOCSIS 3.0 modem that supports IPV6 better costs around $100.

So the real cost for me of IPV6 is already floating somewhere between $150 to $200, about what I pay for 2 YEARS of Netflix. That is only for getting the ability to have an IPV6 address to my home. That's without setting up the Xbox, Wii, or PS3 with IPV6. (Can you do it?) Let alone the Mac, the several PC laptops, my Linux workstation, or the MagicJack Plus that I use for my home phone "land line".

What about our smart phones? Will Android 2.3.x use IPV6? 'what about Android 2.2 on my wife's phone, or 2.1? What about the $90 android tablet my wife bought at Rite aid? For all of these, I have no idea, which means likely not.

What about the (awesome!) SIP app I use on my smartphone to call into the corporate phone server from my home network? Will it work with low latency over IPV6 to my corporate SIP server running IPV4, with traffic shaping that works as well as it does now with my cheap IPV4 modem? Somehow, I have my doubts...

Switching to IPV6 is easy, as long as you don't actually do it for real. As soon as you start trying to live it, use it everyday, make it part of your everyday life, well, things get complicated quickly. This is going to take a while to sort out, you know?

Re:I'm not changing to IPv6 on a specific date... (1)

lactose99 (71132) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734978)

already done my friend

IPv6 Info (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38734636)

For those of you who don't know anything about IPv6, here's the Wikipedia page for it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6/

Happy reading!

Re:IPv6 Info (4, Insightful)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734710)

Why isn't Slashdot participating? Didn't they care about an open internet at one point??

Re:IPv6 Info (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38734740)

Seeing how they can barely handle HTML, CSS and Javascript, IPv6 might be asking too much of them.

Re:IPv6 Info (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38735348)

Whoosh

Re:IPv6 Info (1, Offtopic)

DesScorp (410532) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734866)

Why isn't Slashdot participating? Didn't they care about an open internet at one point??

Maybe they're smart enough to realize that the "blackout" won't accomplish a damn thing? Other than pissing off their own users?

You know what one of the biggest Google searches is right now? "Wikipedia alternative". That means that Wikipedia's competitors now have the kind of audience that they couldn't even pay for if they wanted to. Know what happens if Coke stops selling soda in protest? People look for the nearest Pepsi.

Re:IPv6 Info (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734926)

Yeah the only option is Wikipedia style protest, slashdot can never protest like google.com, in a manner which brings attention to the issue, but does not disrupt normal operations. I am not which google trends you have been looking at, but in USA trends, I see "wikipedia blackout", "pipa", "sopa" and a bunch of unrelated things. "Wikipedia alternative"is not one of them.

Re:IPv6 Info, disable Javascript to read Wikipedia (2)

dfries (466073) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735146)

in a manner which brings attention to the issue, but does not disrupt normal operations.

They put a really low bar to get around their block, just disable javascript reload and keep reading! At least that was my first thought when I viewed it and with konqueror it's an easy menu option to disable javascript for the current window. Now it looks like they disabled editing for every english wikipedia article, and that you can't get around.

Re:IPv6 Info, disable Javascript to read Wikipedia (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735194)

I used NoScript to block the JS too, but only a few can use these workarounds. Some opt to use mirrors like thefreedictionary. For the masses though, they cannot use wikipedia for 24 hours, and they cannot work around it. It is a major disruption of operations, as far as they are concerned.

Re:IPv6 Info, disable Javascript to read Wikipedia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38735216)

Thats the freaking point. It should show everybody that if SOPA or PIPA or other shitty things get through, it will be a major disruption of operations. But not just for 24 hours. If you are america, watched the message and you decided to try and find an alternative rather then contacting your politician of choice, then you are the problem.

Re:IPv6 Info, disable Javascript to read Wikipedia (2)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735362)

Blocking access to your service, in my opinion, is not the point. The point is to bring attention to SOPA/PIPA, inform them how serious this is. Not to deny service.

And I had contacted my rep months ago. And I did not have to find an alternative as I knew it has to be done using a script and used noscript to block all scripts. I was just mentioned one of the possible ways someone can use wiki if they needed it (giving people this info, does not mean they will not contact their reps, neither does, not giving this info, mean people will contact their rep. Both are independent actions).

Stupid analogy (2)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734934)

Comparing a drink made from a trade-secret formula, to all that creative commons content.
If Wikipedia goes down, your look for a mirror.

Re:IPv6 Info (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38735032)

Google trends:
"1. paula deen
2. seattle weather
3. jenelle evans
4. jerry yang
5. justified
6. wisconsin recall
7. wikipedia blackout
8. scott walker
9. girl scout cookies
10. school closings
11. custer
12. sopa blackout
13. southland
14. walker recall
15. type 2 diabetes
16. pipa
17. jim caldwell
18. restaurant week
19. colbert super pac
20. west memphis three"

Re:IPv6 Info (2)

Nursie (632944) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735100)

There are wikipedia mirrors and rip-off sites that will profit from this for a day, and pretty much only a day.

In the mean time, every one of those people looking for an alternative has at least been made aware that there's a problem.

Re:IPv6 Info (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735114)

Yes, because there are so many competitors to Wikipedia.

Re:IPv6 Info (1)

CRC'99 (96526) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735132)

Its interesting how TFA says most disabled IPv6 support after the day - however:

host www.v6.facebook.com
www.v6.facebook.com has IPv6 address 2620:0:1cfe:face:b00c::3

# host ipv6.google.com
ipv6.google.com is an alias for ipv6.l.google.com.
ipv6.l.google.com has IPv6 address 2404:6800:4006:800::1011

Looks like of the 3 listed, only 1 backed out - Bing.

Re:IPv6 Info (1)

the_other_chewey (1119125) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735268)

IPv6 day never was about the separate v6 domains - those existed and worked
before IPv6 day, and of course keep on working.

However, IPv6 day added AAAA records to the generic domains,
www.google.com, www.facebook.com etc.

And those records are gone again.

Exception: google whitelists some known-working networks and includes the
AAAA records in DNS replies to machines in those.

Re:IPv6 Info (1)

Ksevio (865461) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735178)

Slashdot users are probably already informed on the subject

Re:IPv6 Info, bad link (1)

dfries (466073) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735158)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6/

I see you didn't actually visite the page, because that gives a page not found error, try this one, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6 [wikipedia.org] and I verified it actually works, (just disable javascript).

Cisco (3, Insightful)

mikkelm (1000451) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734644)

Perhaps this would be a good time for Cisco to release software with even the most rudimentary of IPv6 security features.

Re:Cisco (1)

smash (1351) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734788)

You mean like my ASA?

Re:Cisco (1)

mikkelm (1000451) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734876)

I mean like the elementary and obvious knobs and switches for protecting your infrastructure against v6-related resource exhaustion, rouge RAs, and every other issue that has long-recognised IPv4 analogues, and somehow were not thought important enough for initial releases.

Re:Cisco (1)

lactose99 (71132) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735030)

If you're relying on RAs or DHCPv6 for server networks then you have bigger problems, not unlike rogue DHCP servers in IPv4.

It makes sense (2)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734656)

ISPs are going to have to pay a lot of money for new hardware, whether they switch to IPv6 or to widespread NAT. Might as well buy the IPv6 stuff once and get it over with.

Re:It makes sense (1)

walshy007 (906710) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735024)

ISPs are going to have to pay a lot of money for new hardware

Not really, it should have been part of the normal upgrade cycle of hardware. With a five year replacement cycle they could have started in 2007 and have had their entire organization ipv6 ready hardware wise by now. The problem has been known for long before that, it is simply preparing for the future.

Re:It makes sense (2)

Splab (574204) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735028)

Yes, because there hasn't been a recession and customers aren't cheap bastards that want everything for free...

Upgrade cycles are a thing of the past, things get upgraded when they die or more bandwith is needed.

Re:It makes sense (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735124)

and when was there a drop in demand for bandwidth?

Re:It makes sense (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735464)

With a five year replacement cycle they could have started in 2007 and have had their entire organization ipv6 ready hardware wise by now.

ok, that's great. You're talking about how it should be, here's how it is:

ISPs didn't upgrade in 2007. They're going to need new hardware to support IPv6. And as long as we're talking about 'should have', all of them should have been IPv6 ready by 2001.

And, on Dec 21, 2012 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38734658)

Will be World End of IPv4 Day! All IPv4 addresses gone... forever! It might be the end of the world, so why not?

Re:And, on Dec 21, 2012 (1)

foniksonik (573572) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735018)

That's the day that The internet will become self aware. It will finally have enough address space to form the virtual neural network and enough sensors online to create the feedback loop we call consciousness.

Should be a fun day.

I could do it on my LAN (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38734668)

But I have a few older devices that just don't play. Plus I really don't have enough to justify the bother. And my ISP hardly cares. But at least they are fiber.

why isn't slashdot doing a protest PIPA thing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38734702)

i mean sure we already know it blows but like it's the thought that counts.

Isn't it obvious? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38734842)

In protest, they made the site a horrible shade of green, and today the editors won't be editing anything.

Wait, what do you mean that's normal...

Re:Isn't it oblivious? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38734970)

They already did, they've been posting stories about it for months and we protested plenty in the comments.
Now its our turn, no amount of awareness will help if nobody complains like crazy to our representatives.

Slowly would be an understatement. (1)

jaygridley (1016588) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734706)

Many ISPs dont provide IPv6 connectivity and IPv6 support is still nonexistant in many routers.

Re:Slowly would be an understatement. (2)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734742)

Yes, my father just got FTTH on Monday. The router has an option for IPv6, it's disabled by default and marked "Not recommended". My ISP offers IPv6 from what I see on their webpage though. Personally (I use the same ISP), I've been trying to get it running, but I seem to need a fixed IPv6 block because my router is a Soekris net5501-70 running OpenBSD (4.8, you don't upgrade these things at each release). You cannot run rtsold when the machine is a router and I have the impression that the PPP user daemon doesn't support it. This means IPv4 for me... I asked for a fixed IPv6 block at my ISP (who usually are competent) and they don't do that (yet). Also, they couldn't tell me whether it would be free or come with a cost. If I want a fixed IPv4, it "only" cost 25€/month which I don't pay as DynDNS does the trick for me.

is this numerologically significant? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38734728)

6/6/12

breaking down 12...
1+2 = 3

adding them all
6+6+3 = 15

breaking down 15..
1+5 = 6

666 ??

Here's the most important question... (1)

idbeholda (2405958) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734730)

Have they finally worked out the bugs? If they have, perhaps this time with be "fo 'realiez yo!", instead of "jk" like the last 8 times.

Re:Here's the most important question... (1)

smash (1351) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734776)

List of showstopper bugs please?

Re:Here's the most important question... (0)

idbeholda (2405958) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734802)

Re:Here's the most important question... (2)

amRadioHed (463061) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734852)

Even worse, there are over 26 million pages for "tcp bugs" and yet somehow we all manage to use it without much trouble.

What about Amazon? (1)

ResQuad (243184) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734760)

As much as I hate to nit pick one specific company, but Amazon Web Services is used by a LOT of people and groups, are they going IPv6? I know their Elastic Load Balancer is, but what about everything else? Is Route 53 v6 glued? v6 accessible?

More importantly what about CloudFront? Try going v6 only now and you'll have a lot of "functional" websites which look like hell because they use Akamai or CloudFront which aren't v6 enabled (Though Akamai has commited)

Re:What about Amazon? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38734936)

Is Route 53 v6 glued? v6 accessible?

You can answer this one yourself: http://aws.amazon.com/route53/faqs/#Support_for_IPv6 [amazon.com]

Google and FB, who would have thought ... (1, Interesting)

Lazy Jones (8403) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734762)

... that those most eager to collect personal information and track everyone's activity would be eager to get everyone to adopt IPv6, which assigns a fixed prefix to each Internet user/access contract and a unique address to each device (i.e. those currently hidden behind routers and corporate NAT gateways). IPv6 is the worst privacy breach and danger to system security we're facing right now, go Lemmings go!

Re:Google and FB, who would have thought ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38734800)

Mod parent up. It's obvious but most people do not see it.

Re:Google and FB, who would have thought ... (4, Informative)

jibjibjib (889679) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734808)

The major operating systems support IPv6 Privacy Extensions. This means they generate and use multiple temporary IPv6 addresses, making them less identifiable than most IPv4 systems.

Also, there's no requirement for IPv6 addresses to be fixed. Just as some ISPs offer dynamic IPv4 addresses now, some ISPs will offer dynamic IPv6 blocks in the future.

Re:Google and FB, who would have thought ... (1)

foniksonik (573572) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735070)

What, you can't run NAT behind an IPv6 address? It's no different than an IPv4 address unless you want to have multiple unique addresses public facing, then IPv6 wins.

Re:Google and FB, who would have thought ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38735262)

LOL, if they were tracking you, they'd track you with a unique ID they assign you.

If you switch ISPs your IPv6 address will change, but that unique ID won't.

Next time don't skip your medication.

Re:Google and FB, who would have thought ... (2)

Neil Boekend (1854906) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735402)

They are collecting your data as we speak. Do you really believe a NAT or a firewall is going to stop them? IPv6 isn't going to help them collect more data. They follow the moves of anyone logged in to them now. If you have no NoScript or Adblock or so you'll notice a small "t", a small "f" and a small "+" in the lower right corner of each message once you hoover over the message. Do you believe that's only a button? Do you believe that's only a way of connecting to twitter, Facebook or Google if and when you wish to do so? Each and every /. page you load is reported back to them.
What would IPv6 add? Tracability of the specific PC? They already have that, assuming you aren't actively blocking their scripts (if you are they can't trace you either, unless and only when you go to their pages. Even with IPv6.) . Each and every one of them uses cookies with unike ID's. That's how they trace you. Why would they add a higly unstable way of doing exactly the same? (The IP adress of your PC can change each hour if you wish it to. Then Google would think you are a new customer and thus a new data set.)
Now we have established it won't help them, let's talk about the need. True, there are some IPv4 adresses available. But they will be taken soon, the request for IP adresses is increasing fast. NAT is a hack solution to a problem decently solved with IPv6. Continuing to use IPv4 (and opening the available IP adresses in A blocks) would postpone the inevitable, with more costs as a result (by then there are even more users with more PC's/phone's and thus more costs). Going to IPv6 fixes the problem (there are so many IPv6 adresses even I believe we won't run out, not in a million years).
We must go to IPv6 and we can't delay for it would cost money.

D-Link (1)

cfryback (870729) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734766)

That's it if D-Link is involved it is bound to be success! ;)

Background Information (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38734768)

This isn't really a monumental step forward. In fact, its quite pathetic that it's taking so long to get to this stage of the process. The IPv6 standard uses AAAA DNS records, but does not preclude the traditional A records. A domain can use both simultaneously, allowing clients to pick the addressing method.

Unfortunately, big websites have been hesitant to add AAAA records because of bugs in some software that cause A records to be ignored if an AAAA is present--even if the client doesn't support IPv6.

Really. This problem should have been solved a long time ago.

More importantly (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38734778)

In recent news:

Human head found in bag along trail near Hollywood sign [latimes.com]

Two women were hiking with nine dogs when two of the dogs found a plastic bag in the brush containing the head. The victim is believed to be an Armenian American man in his 40s.

Re:More importantly (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735022)

Sad for the guy who lost his body but not really important for me given that I live on the other side of the world.

now is ATT going to swap modems that can't do IP6 (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734798)

Or are they going to make the customer pay for the new ones?

Do I have to call them and ask for a free one?

D-link what about comeing out with the IPv6 update for the DIR-655 RevA

More shit for the tip (dump). (1, Troll)

Jimbookis (517778) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734886)

Righty ho. So my 5 year old Billion 7401-VGPM modem which is chugging along just fine but doesn't do IPv6 needs to die first before I get an IPv6 modem in spite of my ISP (Internode) supporting IPv6 be default. Really, *really* what's IPv6 going to do for me now or even in the next 4 years that my IPv4 and 192.168.x.x home network don't do for me?

Re:More shit for the tip (dump). (1)

hardboiled.tequila (986536) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734990)

I got the same model a couple of years ago, specifically for VOIP. I'm not impressed about having to purchase new hardware. Switching to IPv6 is like 'upgrading' from HTML4 to XHTML. A lot of effort for very little apparent benefit.

Re:More shit for the tip (dump). (4, Informative)

walshy007 (906710) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735068)

Really, *really* what's IPv6 going to do for me now or even in the next 4 years that my IPv4 and 192.168.x.x home network don't do for me?

For starters it will allow you to host a bunch of services on different machines without having to put them all on weird ass ports because you only have a single ip. Peer to peer software will work as intended without nasty hacks to poke holes through the nat.

It essentially stops the internet from becoming broken into a one-way thing, which is one of the side effects of nat.

Re:More shit for the tip (dump). (1, Interesting)

knorthern knight (513660) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735210)

> For starters it will allow you to host a bunch of services on different machines without
> having to put them all on weird ass ports because you only have a single ip. Peer to peer
> software will work as intended without nasty hacks to poke holes through the nat.

> It essentially stops the internet from becoming broken into a one-way thing, which is one of the side effects of nat.

Did you read the message you responded to? He was talking about his ***HOME*** network. I'm sure that Slashdot has its share of "l33t h@x0r d00ds" who want to run their own servers, etc. And of course, you're *ASSUMING* static ip addresses. But what will it do for the other 99% of users?

Re:More shit for the tip (dump). (1)

walshy007 (906710) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735296)

He was talking about his ***HOME*** network.

Did you read what I wrote, especially towards the end?

Peer to peer software will work as intended without nasty hacks to poke holes through the nat.

So you are saying home users don't use peer to peer software? That's a pretty bold claim.

And of course, you're *ASSUMING* static ip addresses.

Static ips aren't needed for peer too peer stuff, and dymanic dns has been around for ages.

Re:More shit for the tip (dump). (1)

Electricity Likes Me (1098643) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735322)

Dozens of protocols like to, or need to, open inbound ports for clients to back-connect to. FTP, various VPNs, SIP, IRC etc.

Now we can work around that with NAT and port forwarding, but we absolutely can't fix that once we have carrier-grade NAT and the user can't forward ports anymore. Bye bye UPnP (which is the only reason things "seem" to work now), and bye bye any service which needs a mediator if you can't get a mediator server on the unNAT'd internet. And just watch as entry costs skyrocket.

Re:More shit for the tip (dump). (1)

Vegemeister (1259976) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735104)

A whole lot less futzing around with port forwards and ssh tunnels.

Re:More shit for the tip (dump). (1)

Dahan (130247) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735186)

Probably nothing. Nobody's gonna force you off of IPv4 anytime soon--and probably never. The main reason for adding IPv6 support (note: not switching to IPv6) is for the billions of people who aren't currently on the Internet, but will be getting Internet access over the next decade.

How will the avalanche fall? (5, Insightful)

Qubit (100461) | more than 2 years ago | (#38734910)

I hope that some of the network/systems analysis companies out there are taking accurate notes about the state of what's accessible via IPv6 and IPv4. I think we'll see an interesting sort of "avalanche" graph when we reach the tipping point. Or not -- perhaps there will be enough dual-stack that we'll just have a slow deathmarch of sites available by IPv4, with a few less year after year?

But to step back and wax lyrical about the whole problem, the reason that IPv6 hasn't taken hold yet is because it just hasn't gotten enough of an IPv6-only install base clamouring for support on their popular websites.

Having major websites and hardware manufacturers on board is an important piece of the puzzle, but it's nothing compared to money. Get enough people inconvenienced that they will take their eyes and their money elsewere (directly, or through advertising revenue on sites, etc...), and every site that cares about their viewership will hop on the IPv6 train. Of course, this means that Bob's website that features his personal Banana Sticker Collection might not get IPv6 support until his ISP drags him to an IPv6 address, kicking and screaming all the way.

That whole idea a year or two ago about putting out a big zip file of porn, but only available on IPv6, was kind of a hoot. AFAIK it never came to fruition, but I liked the creative thinking there. Has anyone else had any crazy good (or just crazy) suggestions about how to spur IPv6 adoption?

Re:How will the avalanche fall? (4, Informative)

dbIII (701233) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735316)

One obvious one to me is workplace desktops accessable from your iPad or whatever of choice from anywhere. People will understand why all us *nix guys got excited about shells, X and VNC so long ago. If it wasn't for NAT we'd have seen a lot more of it already, but NAT changes it from being trivial to implement to a pain in the arse for more than a handful of people per site. Having unique numbers adressable from anywhere for everybody's desktop machines make it trivial again.
For those that think NAT is some kind of security feature I suggest learning what it actually is instead of throwing three letters around as some sort of incantation. The features actually come from the firewall that just happens to be on the same physical device that gives you NAT and you still need something like that device anyway to get the net into the office with IPv6. The firewall isn't going to go away, just NAT (network address translation).

Event logo wallpaper (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38735060)

I'm trying to create a wallpaper for the event, see here:

http://minus.com/mkqbM0Sr6#2 [minus.com]

The XCF is in there too, but the preview is all wrong. Will post updated versions there unless someone comes along and does a better job (I'll admit it's not *that* hard).

I'm using the SVG from the site: http://www.worldipv6launch.org/downloads/ [worldipv6launch.org] .

a sign of the apocalypse (5, Interesting)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735176)

First Duke Nukem Forever in 2011, and now this in 2012? What's up for 2013, Hurd??

Ha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38735228)

Hah ahahahaahahahhaha yeah right.. Yeah Duke Nukem Forever and Cold Fusion really works too..

Finally, an end to Google's daft IPv6 policy (5, Interesting)

Lincolnshire Poacher (1205798) | more than 2 years ago | (#38735258)

Did you know that for the past three year Google has actually published AAAA RRs for its online properties? However, the catch is that they won't serve you those as a response unless your /32 is on the list of vetted ISPs.

Even if you query one of their public IPv6 resolvers ( e.g. 2001:4860:4860::8888 ) you'll not see a AAAA for YouTube or Google+ unless you're on the list.

To pass the vetting an ISP has to demonstrate various technical aspects such as redundant, othogonally-routed global routes to Google's servers. For small ISPs such as mine, who have worked to implement native IPv6 connectivity, this is simply a step too far. So a proportion of the IPv6-connected world has to fall-back to v4 to talk to Google.

Read more about the frustrating policy here: Google over IPv6 [google.com] .

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