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Microsoft Pushes For Gay Marriage In Washington State

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the taking-a-stand dept.

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New submitter plsenjy writes "An article in the Atlantic outlines how Microsoft Corp. has submitted its support for a Washington State provision allowing gay couples to marry. Citing the company's inability to compete for top talent in the face of discrimination, Microsoft joins other firms such as Nike and Vulcan to effectively change moral policy from the top-down."

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Glad to see Microsoft taking this position (2, Interesting)

GreatTech (2557540) | more than 2 years ago | (#38767928)

I am glad to see Microsoft taking this position.

Why?

Because it is ridiculous when people try to control how others feel and who they love, especially when it really doesn't concern them. What we have now is people that are threatened by the idea of someone, oh my god, loving another person!

I have had my fair share of gayness. While I personally like women, some guys are really hot. I'm not afraid to say that, and it's nice to kissy kiss other good looking mens while out. I have also had relationships with transwomen and ladyboys, and let me tell you this - when it comes to sex, nothing beats ladyboys! They look smokingly hot but since they have been males previously, they also know all the tricks. It's been the best sex I've ever had, and I'm happy to get another round in bed with a good ladyboy. And I'm not even kidding - try it. It's good to enjoy life before you die.


I also have a friend who is gay, but due to his country actually having laws that ban men-to-men love, suffers from it. Awesome guy, and really friendly.

Of course, US is a country of religious nut jobs, with all the "in god we believe" bullshit. It's accepted to show brutal violence on TV while natural things like sex is forbidden! And god forbid if there happens to be a nipple...

Re:Glad to see Microsoft taking this position (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38767940)

It's accepted to show brutal violence on TV while natural things like sex is forbidden!

What is unnatural about brutal violence? (damn nature, you scary)

Re:Glad to see Microsoft taking this position (2)

GreatTech (2557540) | more than 2 years ago | (#38767956)

It's accepted to show brutal violence on TV while natural things like sex is forbidden!

What is unnatural about brutal violence? (damn nature, you scary)

I guess it's natural, but it's not right. Why can't people just stop hating each other and live in peace?

Re:Glad to see Microsoft taking this position (4, Insightful)

epyT-R (613989) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768014)

..for the same reasons some people like the opposite sex while others like the same sex? it's part of human nature. repress it and you only get more of it cropping up elsewhere, usually in unhealthy quantities.

Re:Glad to see Microsoft taking this position (1)

donaggie03 (769758) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768086)

I infer from your comment that you believe we should not try to repress brutal violence because it would just crop up elsewhere, in unhealthy quantities. Teh question is: Is that actually what you meant to imply?

Re:Glad to see Microsoft taking this position (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768040)

By what standard do you judge nature to be wrong?

Re:Glad to see Microsoft taking this position (4, Informative)

hedwards (940851) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768018)

It's not at all surprising that they're taking that positions. Same sex rights is one of the few areas in which corporate America has been by and large ahead of the curve. I'd wager that if you took a survey at MS and similar corporations that support would be pretty high.

Plus IIRC they've been on that side on the last few times this has popped up for vote.

Re:Glad to see Microsoft taking this position (0, Troll)

PoolOfThought (1492445) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768110)

Interestingly, when they agree with your point of view they are ahead of the curve, but most of the time they are lagging and have absolutely no moral compass to speak of... I wonder if the fact that they are "ahead of the curve" in pushing for this might actually be a clue that the idea is NOT in our best interest rather than something to be happy about.

Have a nice day! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768218)

Nope, I'm pretty sure the point you just made is bullshit.

Re:Have a nice day! (0)

GodInHell (258915) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768260)

Utter bullshit.

Re:Glad to see Microsoft taking this position (1)

boundary (1226600) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768206)

Yes, Corporate America just wants to treat everyone like crap, on a level playing field, regardless of race, gender, sexuality....

Re:Glad to see Microsoft taking this position (1, Insightful)

GodInHell (258915) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768284)

Yes, Corporate America just wants to treat everyone like crap, on a level playing field, regardless of race, gender . . .

Woah now, slow your roll man. Do you know how much we SAVE every year paying women only .71-.76 cents for every dollar a man makes.

-GiH

Re:Glad to see Microsoft taking this position (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768048)

Another edition of Blue's Clues.

Where is TechGuys? Where did he go? Can you find him?

Oh, THERE HE IS! Still praising Microsoft but something has changed. Hmmmm, he seems to have changed his name to GreatTech.

Lookout, everybody, we gotta MASTER OF DISGUISE over here!

Re:Glad to see Microsoft taking this position (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768094)

It really says something bad about Slashdot that Parent was modded Troll.

Re:Glad to see Microsoft taking this position (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768128)

There's been a lot of that going around lately. Personally I would have given the GP a +1 for the Men on Film reference there.

Re:Glad to see Microsoft taking this position (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768412)

Actually, I think Insightful + Troll is a valid mod for this one. This is almost definitely the same person who has been posting annoying and bizarre crap on almost every /. story in the last week (it's another new account with a slightly altered name). At least this time the post was amusing...

Re:Glad to see Microsoft taking this position (3, Insightful)

datavirtue (1104259) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768142)

Equally as ridiculous: the state involved in the love affairs and relationships of anyone.

Re:Glad to see Microsoft taking this position (2, Interesting)

stanlyb (1839382) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768216)

Why stop here? What about poly-marriage? I mean many men/women with many men/women? WHY NOT????

Re:Glad to see Microsoft taking this position (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768330)

Just the other day I was thinking that New Gingrich could be the first candidate to get the endorsements of polyamarous and religious right. Strange bedfellows indeed!

Followed by the fact that the Mormon is the one with only one wife. I find that highly amusing.

We've got a guy who can hardly talk, a guy who has multiple wifes, a guy who wants to turn the country upside down; but we can't vote for the Romney guy becasue... Mormons are weird? I've been around these guys, they ain't weird. They aren't even intersting.

Re:Glad to see Microsoft taking this position (1)

morari (1080535) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768406)

[...] when it comes to sex, nothing beats ladyboys!

Quoted for truth. :)

First Bing, now this? (4, Funny)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 2 years ago | (#38767962)

Quit copying Google, and get some original ideas, Microsoft.

(Seriously though, more companies should be fighting for their employees.)

Re:First Bing, now this? (2)

elabs (2539572) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768038)

I agree that companies should look out for their employees but for issues as evenly split between left and right as this one, I wonder if they will deter as many potential employees as entice new ones. I think a more effective approach would be to improve remote locations so employees don't have to come to Washington to work for MS.

Re:First Bing, now this? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768132)

If a person's personal politics cause them to not want to work for a company that won't endorse your personal hatreds, I hope they die unemployed, homeless, and alone. I really do. There is no place in any worthwhile society for a sheltered community where bigotry can thrive.

Re:First Bing, now this? (5, Informative)

hedwards (940851) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768174)

As much as I personally love bashing MS, the reality is that they've had this position for quite a while now. For instance they gave $100k to support Ref 71 which if passed would allow the everything but marriage bill to be enacted. And IIRC that was hardly the first time they supported the general cause of equality for sexual minorities either.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/microsoftpri0/2010010778_microsoftgave100000to.html [nwsource.com]

Re:First Bing, now this? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768238)

Sorry, Microsoft was well ahead of Google when it comes to gay rights (like giving insurance and other benefits to same-sex domestic partners in 1993 before Google was founded). Read about GLEAM (Gay and Lesbian Employees at Microsoft) [wikipedia.org] to get a concise summary of gay support by Microsoft.

Corporate Power (4, Insightful)

sincewhen (640526) | more than 2 years ago | (#38767974)

This is another indication of how much power corporations have today.

It is a shame we need big companies to take the initiative in social reform - what happened to politicians working for the people?

Re:Corporate Power (4, Insightful)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768026)

what happened to politicians working for the people?

Read more history.

Politicians have never worked for the people.

Re:Corporate Power (3, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768138)

Social Reform Issues tend to be counter democratic in nature.
When there is a minority group that needs more protection, you need a powerful group to push these changes, as the majority sees the plight of the minority as not effecting them or worse their plight is in the majority self interest.
But before you go So you think Social Reform is Anti-American, you need to remember the United States is a Democratic Republic, We are not a pure democracy, We elect Representative to make the decisions for us, and if we get good ones we get someone(s) willing to risk political backlash to do the right thing as they can see a bigger picture of the issue.

We need companies, they make a lot of these tough decisions a little more easier because they can break down such decisions into dollars and cents.

Re:Corporate Power (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768166)

This is another indication of how much power corporations have today.

It is a shame we need big companies to take the initiative in social reform - what happened to politicians working for the people?

What power? They're pushing for the inevitable. If it happens, it won't because Microsoft pushed for it, but because it was past time for it to happen anyway.

Re:Corporate Power (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768204)

Um, you do realize that the a few state politicians have been bringing this up every session for at least a decade, right? It's just that at this point the only right under state law that hasn't been granted is the right to civil marriage, at this point the best they can do is civil unions.

MS does a lot of shady things, but in this case they're just supporting equality and giving some cover to any GOP pols that might be on the fence; allowing them to claim to be supporting the needs of businesses.

Re:Corporate Power (4, Insightful)

Nimey (114278) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768296)

what happened to politicians working for the people?

Our very own Roy Blunt was asked if he wanted to meet with some local protesters a few years ago who were asking for gay rights. He said that he "doesn't represent those people".

Your legislators do represent the people, but not "those people".

Microsoft has always been (-1, Troll)

mschoolbus (627182) | more than 2 years ago | (#38767984)

Gay as Aids.

Re:Microsoft has always been (-1, Troll)

GreatTech (2557540) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768004)

Comparing aids to gays is ridiculous. There is zero change of catching aids with Men-To-Men blowjob. I mean zero. It's been studied, and you have much higher change to get aids with a woman!

Re:Microsoft has always been (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768092)

There is a reason why AIDS was originally called GRIDS [wikipedia.org] in the 80's.

Re:Microsoft has always been (0)

GreatTech (2557540) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768160)

Yes, with butt sex. But orally there is 0% change of getting AIDS or any other serious STD.

Re:Microsoft has always been (4, Informative)

bobcat7677 (561727) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768370)

I would have modded this as I have mod points...but there is no "WRONG" mod. Get a little education: http://www.avert.org/can-you-get-hiv-aids.htm [avert.org]

Re:Microsoft has always been (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768222)

Repeat after me, correlation is not causation.

Free market has decided (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38767994)

Do any large corporations/companies push AGAINST gay marriage? Or are they either for or quiet?

Re:Free market has decided (4, Interesting)

Erect Horsecock (655858) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768140)

Marriot hotels I believe quietly supports banning it. They have some pretty deep ties to the LDS

Can't wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768002)

Can't wait to hear how the usual zealots distort this one.

I get so tired of this..... (0, Troll)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768010)

Why do people insist that we don't allow them to redefine perfectly good words that we are bigots. Find a definition of the word 'marriage', or heck the equivilent word in any human language, older than a hundred years (or fifty) that includes two men or two women. Yes some definitions do include more thab one woman and one man.

Which of the benefits of marriage are they wanting? Really. Unless children are unvolved there ain't any that civil unions couldn't provide other than using it as a wedge to drive religion farther out of the mainstream of society. Considering who pushes both concepts seems to have a LOT of overlap in membership, is it wrong to suspect an agenda?

As far as I'm concerned people can do what they want in the privacy of their own home. And I will even go for tolerance, but only up to a point. However what is being demanded isn't tolerance but acceptance. But I refuse to say 2+2=5. Homosexuality is a mental defect, albeit a minor one in the bigger scheme of things. They should NOT be given the ability to form family units and adopt for example. And before ya mod me into oblivion consider this: We are supposed to be believers in evolution, right? If you don't like my term of 'defect' for someone who takes themselves out of the gene pool please supply a better term.

But whan really gets so tiring is this tendency of homosexuals, when they come out, is to make their mental abberation the central defining aspect of their lives, and to demand any and everyone not only tolerate it but accept it with open arms. Hell, I only TOLERATE progressives, I certainly don't ACCEPT em and since 99% of gays are also progs........ you guys made my shitlist long before my gaydar went off.

Re:I get so tired of this..... (2)

GreatTech (2557540) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768068)

HOW does it affect you if two guys walk on street and hold hands?

Re:I get so tired of this..... (0)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768116)

> HOW does it affect you if two guys walk on street and hold hands?

It doesn't. I can easily tolerate that. But two guys making out on the street is as bad as a normal couple making out in public. These days both happen with far too much frequency. Get a room, people.

Re:I get so tired of this..... (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768244)

But two guys making out on the street is as bad as a normal couple making out in public. These days both happen with far too much frequency. Get a room, people.

So you are disgusted by both, but choose to take it out on gays? Yeah, that makes sense.

Re:I get so tired of this..... (5, Insightful)

ClintJCL (264898) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768250)

Sounds like you want to outlaw normal marriage too, then. Oh wait. Marriage doesn't stop people from making you. You answered his question, but then threw in a red herring that's irrelevant to any argument about marriage. BTW, your'e wrong about the history of the word too. You're basically ignorant all around. It was just 1959 that a white man had to go to the supreme court to not be charged for marrying a black woman. You're ignorance is the exact same ignorance. It's pathetic. You harken back to the old days that never were. And did you ever stop to think that records of gay marriages in the past were destroyed by the church in order to keep their handhold on the institution? I mean, Catholicism destroyed whole cultures' worth of history in South America. And the act of marriage predates recorded history anyway. How the fuck do you know what went in 5000 years ago? And how the fuck is that relevant today?

In short, you win the award for Biggest Piece Of Shit Of The Day.

Re:I get so tired of this..... (0)

ClintJCL (264898) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768270)

making *out i typed making *you, for some reason

Re:I get so tired of this..... (1)

pclminion (145572) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768286)

What does making out in public have to do with being married to somebody? When you see a guy wearing a wedding ring do you instantly imagine him having sex with his wife? After all, that's what married people do?

Re:I get so tired of this..... (4, Insightful)

couchslug (175151) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768104)

Not all of us subscribe to your superstition or wish to be ruled by your witch doctors.

Marriage in a secular society is a civil union, not a superstitious rite. Gays want the benefit of civil union which is a CONTRACT they are sometimes restricted from entering.

I'm not gay, but I'm certainly anti-theist. You are all Taliban under the skin, and just as you would take over society and establish theocracy, I advocate resistance to superstition.

Re:I get so tired of this..... (4, Insightful)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768422)

I've been married for almost 14 years now. The interesting thing about marriage is this:

The entire ceremony -- all of it, the food, the tables, the dresses, the rings, the suits, the flowers, the guests, the vows -- means absolutely nothing at all. Nothing.

The actual marriage is when you sign the certificate and it gets countersigned and witnessed.

So the whole kerfuffle boils down to "we don't want gays to sign a piece of paper".

Re:I get so tired of this..... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768122)

@jmorris42,

50 years ago, I bet you would say that you only TOLERATE seeing people of different color, but you don't ACCEPT them as actual people with the same rights as white people.

Please get the fuck out of my country! I bet you're religious too, so I hope you just kill yourself and go to hell.

--from a hetro, 30yr, white, American male.

Re:I get so tired of this..... (5, Insightful)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768134)

Why do people insist that we don't allow them to redefine perfectly good words that we are bigots.

...

And I will even go for tolerance, but only up to a point. However what is being demanded isn't tolerance but acceptance.

Because you're a bigot, you are unable to see why this is a problem. You're never going to understand it, so you might as well not bother trying. It would be like explaining color to a blind man.

What is being demanded is the same rights as anyone else has - the right to marry the consenting adult of your choice. You don't have to like it, and the only acceptance that is required is that they have the same rights as you do.

Re:I get so tired of this..... (-1, Troll)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768276)

> You don't have to like it, and the only acceptance that is required is that they have the same rights as you do.

Wrong. Once you legally redefine the word marriage all sorts of follow on side effects begin. Tolerance ends and acceptance on pain of government begins. Catholic Church doesn't believe it is right? Tough. Won't matter once the law changes, they will give em a full church wedding and place a child in their care through their adoption agency or the Justice Dept cornholes em. And the fun only begins in those obvious places. We will be cleaning up the messes in the laws for fifty years.

But worse, some of us know this is only the current demand. Once they get gay marriage they are going to push without interruption for group ones. And always keep your eye on NAMBLA, they really mean it when they say "Sex before eight or it's too late."

Re:I get so tired of this..... (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768350)

Once you legally redefine the word marriage all sorts of follow on side effects begin.

Basis for this statement?

Catholic Church doesn't believe it is right? Tough. Won't matter once the law changes, they will give em a full church wedding and place a child in their care through their adoption agency or the Justice Dept cornholes em.

Sounds like you believe the lies of the LDS. No, the Justice Dept. can't do anything to religious institutions being discriminatory. The First Amendment ensures that.

Once they get gay marriage they are going to push without interruption for group ones.

Really? Basis for this statement too?

And always keep your eye on NAMBLA

Subtle NAMBLA troll? How much did you pay for the account?

Re:I get so tired of this..... (0)

Macthorpe (960048) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768400)

Once you legally redefine the word marriage

Second sentence and you're already (at the very least) factually incorrect. The rest of your post is "I think it's wrong, and I can find people who agree with me, so it must be wrong", then some irrelevant comparisons to outlandish situations that have no relevance to two consenting adults wanting legal recognition for their union.

Have you got real studies that show that gay marriage is going to fuck up society forever? If not, what the fuck are you scared of?

Re:I get so tired of this..... (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768402)

As far as I know, the only group seriously in favour of group marriages are some of the more fundamentalist Mormons. They're not much for gay marriage though.

So when you say "they" you mean... people who disagree with you?

Re:I get so tired of this..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768424)

Sorry, did you pathetic argument just devolve into "All gays are pedophiles"? Wow. Repressed much? Did daddy touch you in your special no-no place or something? This is like watching American Beauty, except vastly less fun.

Re:I get so tired of this..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768150)

Talking of taking people out of the gene pool, I think you'd be a perfect candidate for this. I believe in evolution like you, people who don't evolve, harm others because they're bigots and pull back society's advances should be taken out of the gene pool.

Re:I get so tired of this..... (4, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768172)

The problem is that the government had no business getting into the marriage business in the first place. It used to be a religious institution, until some kings decided that they didn't like the church having all that power and decided to stick their noses into it. You see, not maintaining a good separation of church and state cuts TWO ways. Not only do you have the religions meddling in government matters which should be none of their concern, but you also have the government meddling in religious areas where *it* has no business being either.

If marriage hadn't become a secular state institution, we wouldn't *need* to have this debate.

Re:I get so tired of this..... (2)

pympdaddyc (586298) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768180)

>>We are supposed to be believers in evolution, right? If you don't like my term of 'defect' for someone who takes themselves out of the gene pool please supply a better term. Many species have non-reproductive members that not only endure but are actually essential to the communities / species / gene pool that they are in. I suspect you might need less belief in evolution and more discernment into the subtleties of how it works in practice over large volumes of individuals and time. In a state of nature, your neighbors very likely contain most or all of the genes you singularly express, in certain configurations it would be advantageous for you to die or otherwise not contribute to reproduction directly if it allows the greater community to procreate -- spreading your genes through themselves rather than through you. Also, genetics and social policy are tangential at best.

Re:I get so tired of this..... (1)

mark-t (151149) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768298)

So what you're saying is that they ironically contribute to the continued existence of the human gene-pool by not actually contributing to it at all?

Are you sure that evolution is really supposed to work like that? It sounds rather... counter-intuitive.

Re:I get so tired of this..... (1)

Caratted (806506) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768210)

Twas a dillemma, to mod or to comment on this.

I have to say, though: Gay folks do not "take themselves" out of the gene pool. This assumption that it is a choice by older generations (my own parent's included, who can be considered middle-aged at ~50) is asnine. And I'm a spiteful, critical bastard. It is a natural evolution of overpopulation, evidenced in many of nature's societies. Learn to live with it or get off the soapbox, either way, you called it: you will be modded into oblivion. Rightfully so.

Re:I get so tired of this..... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768224)

Maybe there is some benefit to the whole of humanity that some people are gay. The process of evolution must have put them here for some reason. There seems to be a quite high percentage of the population (7% ?) that are gay for it to just be some genetic aberration.

I would think someone with such a low user id would be more scientific and objective about the subject, so much for my own prejudice.

Once You Pigeonhole Them It's Easy, Right? (4, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768232)

Hell, I only TOLERATE progressives, I certainly don't ACCEPT em and since 99% of gays are also progs........ you guys made my shitlist long before my gaydar went off.

I guess it was really hard for you to justify automatically hating homosexuals right up until the point that you could say "99% of gays are also progs." Then I bet it was really easy for you to say you hate them not because they're gay but because of their political alignment (that you forced upon them).

Well done. Well done. Say, have you ever considered that they're also human beings with different needs than you? That they just want to be recognized the same way you are by your government that supposedly espouses equal rights?

Homosexuality is a mental defect, albeit a minor one in the bigger scheme of things.

A mental defect you say? Are you aware that the method by which we communicate right now could not have been possible without the progress of one man who had such a mental defect [wikipedia.org] (in more than one way)?

Take all your political bullshit and leave. This is about the rights of human beings. Not "being progressive" or "saying 2+2=5" but about respecting your fellow citizens the same fucking way they respect you.

Re:I get so tired of this..... (1)

magarity (164372) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768234)

Why do people insist that we don't allow them to redefine perfectly good words

Yeah, and let's start with taking back the word "gay" since it has no synonym. Nowadays if you say you're having a gay day, people think you're completely incensed over this or that injustice towards your lifestyle demographic. It's supposed to mean a carefree happiness, which is just about the exact opposite.

Re:I get so tired of this..... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768236)

So because I have some condition which would lead to me being less fit for purpose for breeding and passing on my genes; sterility, bad eyesight, cerebral palsey, whatever, I should be tolerated at best and not allowed to have a family because I am DEFECTIVE and some kind of ABERRATION against $DEITY/DARWIN?

You're fortunate that our society TOLERATES your type. I'd have you LYNCHED.

Fuck you.

Re:I get so tired of this..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768272)

Why do people insist that we don't allow them to redefine perfectly good words that we are bigots.

Oh language is nothing to do with it. You're just a bigot.

Find a definition of the word 'marriage', or heck the equivilent word in any human language, older than a hundred years (or fifty) that includes two men or two women.

Find a definition of the word 'computer' older than a hundred years that include electronics.
Find a definition of the word 'gay' older than a hundred years that doesn't include being happy.

Re:I get so tired of this..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768274)

There has been same-sex marriages and even sex changes in many non-Western cultures for thousands of years. I'm not even going to link to it, it's even on fucking Wikipedia. Try looking up facts before spouting ignorant bigotry.

Funny that talk about redefining words, then immediately go to re-define the word "tolerate" to mean "resist the urge to beat up", which must be the meaning you have considering how much you that you dislike people who aren't exactly like you. MW says tolerance is "sympathy or indulgence for beliefs or practices differing from or conflicting with one's own". Yeah, I'm getting shit-tons of sympathy from your post here...

As for "believing" in evolution... jesus... don't even know where to begin.

Re:I get so tired of this..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768332)

Find a definition of the word 'marriage', or heck the equivilent word in any human language, older than a hundred years (or fifty) that includes two men or two women.

Funny, christians did it all the time back in the day. http://www.jinxiboo.com/blog/2009/5/3/when-same-sex-marriage-was-a-christian-rite.html

If you don't like my term of 'defect' for someone who takes themselves out of the gene pool please supply a better term.

Gays haven't taken themselves out of the gene pool, they have a higher teen pregnancy rate than straights. http://www.blogher.com/frame.php?url=http://www.publicaffairs.ubc.ca/media/releases/2008/mr-08-165.html

Freedom is an American value. (2)

Brain-Fu (1274756) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768336)

If, as you say, civil unions are just as good as marriage, then why are you so adamant in insisting that homosexuals can have one but not the other?

Why don't we just abolish one completely and make the other available to both straight and gay couples? That sure would make things simple. And fair.

I am sorry that you find homosexual marriage threatening. But that doesn't change the fact that homosexuals are real people, who really fall in love, and really want all the legal/social benefits that marriage provides. You must share the world with homosexuals, whether you want to or not, and passing laws that deny important freedoms to your neighbors is flat out unjust.

I am curious....are you an American? And if so, do you actually believe that freedom for everyone is a core American value? It amazes me how many Americans, some of whom would even consider themselves patriots, work hard to deny freedom to their neighbors.

Re:I get so tired of this..... (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768426)

Hey, jmorris42, question for you.

Is this thread, and the sound thrashing you are receiving, feeding your persecution complex like you wanted?

Well, they are trying... (5, Funny)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768022)

Well, they are trying to entice apple fanbois to switch to Microsoft. This is a logical marketing move

Re:Well, they are trying... (-1, Troll)

WiiVault (1039946) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768178)

I would really love to know where you developed your great comedic abilities. Did you have to work at it or were you just born this way? You should have just gotten straight to the point and said Applz 4 teh gayz. Now go back to your room until you have another comedy gem to share with the rest off the basement dwellers.

Re:Well, they are trying... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768242)

and your choice of computer would be?

Re:Well, they are trying... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768398)

Sure is butthurt Macfag in here.

Re:Well, they are trying... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768198)

No, it's probably aimed at cock smoking linux fags [trollaxor.com] .

Corporations are not people (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768024)

Corporations are not people and do not deserve the same rights to free speech.

Wait... did you say in *favor* of gay marriage? Oh-ho, well carry on.

Re:Corporations are not people (1)

donaggie03 (769758) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768264)

You jest; but I believe the current supreme court standing, which bestows personhood on corporations and other groups, is one of the five fatal flaws in the U.S. government. I believe corporate personhood is a larger threat to our freedoms than any so called "terrorist threats."

Corporations are still not people (2)

Brain-Fu (1274756) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768374)

And it is a sad state of affairs when only corporate pressure can bring the government to protect freedoms as basic and important as marriage.

Corporations should not dominate politics. This doesn't change the fact that sometimes some corporate interests actually align with the greater good of the people. This temporary alliance in no way changes the fact that corporations should not be treated as people.

There is some thing wrong with that.... (0)

Stumbles (602007) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768030)

I just can't put my finger in it.

Re:There is some thing wrong with that.... (0)

ClintJCL (264898) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768294)

Yea you can. It just won't smell as good coming out.

Get the popcorn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768042)

I don't expect to see much of the "Corporations + politics = bad" sentiment in this thread, because, "hey, they're doing something I agree with"

The Slashdot Double-Standard will be in full effect.

Re:Get the popcorn (2)

ClintJCL (264898) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768318)

It's not a double standard. Corporations + something bad = bad. Corporations + something good = good. "Something" is often "politics", and that something is often "bad". In this case, it is not. You've attempted to reduce the "Corporations + bad politics" half of the equation to "corporations + politics". I'm pretty sure if corporations only did good things, 99% of peoples' complaints would go away. Corporations were originally required to serve the public interest, or their charter would automatically dissolve.

Re:Get the popcorn (1)

Dhalka226 (559740) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768368)

The Slashdot Double-Standard will be in full effect.

I'm not sure that it is a double standard. Corporations--believe it or not--are supposed to exist for the public good. It used to be that that meant more than just "sell products that people like enough not to go out of business." Insofar as the corporations are serving what I consider to be the public good, why should I oppose them? If they are not serving the public good, the reasons to oppose them should be crystal clear.

I do believe "corporations + politics = bad," for the same reason that I believe a dictatorship is bad: Even if it is going great now --think of how much good a benevolent and insightful dictator could do--there is no guarantee it will be good tomorrow. If all corporations ever did was promote the public good, I'd love for them to be involved. I think it is an admirable goal. Unfortunately, we all know otherwise.

"Corporations + politics = bad" is a safety net, it is the broad-stroke cut, it is the recognition of the fact that one bad apple spoils the bunch. It is the utterly unnuanced opinion. I for one would love to take a more nuanced opinion, but unfortunately nuance tends to turn into loophole and get abused. It's safer this way.

So yeah, my general position is that corporations should be kept out of politics. They should not have free speech rights. They should not be able to donate to political campaigns or set up or participate in PACs or any other process intended to influence governance. But I'm also not going to give a shit if Microsoft wants to support gay rights, because my goal was never to keep corporations out of politics -- my goal was to ensure corporations create and promote public good or at least do not harm it (and yes, I realize that evaluation is subjective). Keeping corporations out of politics was the means, not the end.

Double standard? Maybe. I don't see it that way.

No love for the poor people though :D (1)

gasmonso (929871) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768076)

No love for the poor people though as Microsoft rolls out the Avoid The Ghetto App [huffingtonpost.com] ! Now it'll be interesting to see what ruffles more feathers... supporting gay marriage or the "racist" avoid the ghetto app :)

gasmonso ReligiousFreaks.com [religiousfreaks.com]

Re:No love for the poor people though :D (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768144)

Don't conflate poor with ghetto. The two are not the same.

Re:No love for the poor people though :D (1)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768176)

If I get mugged and robbed most of the valuables taken will be sold for pennies on the dollar.

Better to take it through taxes than petty theft.

Re:No love for the poor people though :D (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768354)

Um, you realize that the government will actually use most the money they get from you to build their power rather then actual help the poor. Remember don't solve a problem when you can get power by "helping" whilst actual making it worse. That way they'll need more of your "help" in the future.

That being said their are some charities that actual help the poor. Until some Politician/MBA gets to the top.

Re:No love for the poor people though :D (2)

RanCossack (1138431) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768208)

I actually clicked and read that... and, err... that's a bit of fuss about nothing, isn't it?

Corporations are NOT people (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768098)

Who gives a flying F about what corporations think about morality laws? Except maybe politicians that are getting their pockets filled with cash.

Seriously, corporations should not be able to lobby at all - at all about anything. Corporations should acknowledge that their right to exist and operate within a given geo-political region is a privilege. They operate at the pleasure of the people and the privilege to operate can be taken away by the people.

How do we the people change things so that we, not corporations, rule the country?

Re:Corporations are NOT people (1)

ClintJCL (264898) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768202)

homophobe

Re:Corporations are NOT people (2)

GodInHell (258915) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768348)

How do we the people change things so that we, not corporations, rule the country?

Federalize the law of corporations, and make it a breach of fiduciary duty for the managers and directors to spend money on any task not directly related to the scope of their business. You'll have to play with the language a few times to tell the Supreme Court you mean it, but that would work.

-GiH

Agreed (1)

Brain-Fu (1274756) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768420)

Corporate domination of politics has made America effectively a Fascist nation.

In this particular case, one corporation happens to be lobbying in favor of a very important civil liberty....but ideally Microsoft would have no power to do this and ordinary people would be championing this cause through voting and letter-writing campaigns and so on.

Micro$oft (0)

Alsee (515537) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768100)

Those Micro$oft bastards are trying to abuse their operating system monopoly to gain monopoly control over....
uhhh... marriage? Waitaminiute...

Google tries their best not to be Evil.
Microsoft tries their best to be Evil.

I guess it's true what they say. Nobody's perfect.

-

This is news??? (1)

ClintJCL (264898) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768192)

OMG a corporation doing something for the public good {besides selling us widgets we need}. It's sad, but this. is. news. It really shouldn't be. This is how they should normally act. They should all use their influence to make the world better, not worse.

YEAH!!! (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768248)

Microsoft has, for a very long time, been supportive of LGBT folks. Microsoft's benefits have, for a very long time, fully covered domestic partners at the same level as spouses. Microsoft supports GLEAM -- Gays and Lesbians At Microsoft -- and openly supports GLEAM marching in Seattle's gay pride parades.

And it isn't just some corporate PR sham. I've worked at Microsoft since 1997, and have worked with almost a dozen gay/lesbian folks, who were out and happy at work.

I see the trick! (4, Funny)

p0p0 (1841106) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768302)

They want to legalize it so that in the Windows 8 EULA they can legally marry anyone, and if you install another OS it'll be considered cheating and they can divorce you and take half your stuff!
It's a new form of vendor lock-in.

Those clever bastards.

Stop using MS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768304)

Does this mean those religious folk that oppose hay marriage will stop using MS products?

The Atlantic?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38768324)

Shouldn't The Pacific have the scoop with this story?

What a load of BS (-1)

scottbomb (1290580) | more than 2 years ago | (#38768390)

"Citing the company's inability to compete for top talent in the face of discrimination, Microsoft joins other firms such as Nike and Vulcan to effectively change moral policy from the top-down."

So I'm supposed to believe MS has this problem:

MS manager: "Alright, Jim. You've done very well in your interviews and we'd like to offer you the position. When can you start?"
Jim: "I'd like to give my current employer two weeks notice."
MS manager: "Great. Let's get some paperwork started."
Jim: "Oh by the way, I'm gay, and my boyfriend and I are looking to get married. Will we be able to do so in Redmond?"
MS manager: "Well Jim, last I heard, gay marriage is not legally recognized in WA."
Jim: "Well that does it! I'm sorry but I can't work for your company in that case. Nice meeting you. Thank you for your time."

Right.

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