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Downloads of DoS Attack Tool LOIC Spike

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the should-come-on-by-default dept.

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wiredmikey writes "As Anonymous initiated what it said will be the 'largest attack ever on government and music industry sites' in response to actions taken by the Justice Department against operators of file sharing site Megaupload.com, downloads of a popular DoS attack tool have spiked. While the Denial of Service tool known as the 'Low Orbit Ion Cannon' (LOIC) was developed by the 'good guys' to stress test websites, it has been a favorite tool of Anonymous to take its targets offline via denial of service attacks. Interactions seen on Twitter and IRC, made it clear that the action against MegaUpload has sparked many more individuals to get involved in the online protests and download the LOIC to take part in the attacks and has resulted in a massive spike in downloads according Slashdot sister site Sourceforge."

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initiating first post blast (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771160)

.... pulse launch

Re:initiating first post blast (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771850)

Ok so here's the real question.

How many people have to be using it before the MafiAA and their paid goons in the government are required to stop calling it an "attack" and start calling it what it is, a civil protest no different from a lunch counter sit-in?

Re:initiating first post blast (-1, Flamebait)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771916)

Lunch counter sit-ins don't shut down power, water, and every storefront and business on the entire block that the lunch counter is on.

And now script kiddies everywhere (5, Funny)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771162)

have 2 new search terms to punch into google after the word download!

Re:And now script kiddies everywhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771196)

So script kiddies are people who use programs made by someone other than themselves? Interesting.

Re:And now script kiddies everywhere (1, Funny)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771226)

your pretty bad ass using a program that even wikipedia notes:

See also
      Script kiddie

but hey dont come crying to me when you use this years "aoHELL" to commit "terrorist acts" against "government facilities" and end up in a federal prison getting ass hammered by a guerrilla named Sydir.

Re:And now script kiddies everywhere (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771302)

ass hammered by a guerrilla named Sydir

Uh no he's not a guerrilla. He's a gorilla. Better known as a nigger. Like all niggers he was in jail before the age of 30 (look it up!). Fucking crime ridden niggers.

Re:And now script kiddies everywhere (4, Insightful)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771354)

ah racist troll, dumb as the tripe you spit out, Sydir was Russian and very much a guerrilla k thanks you dumb twat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydir_Kovpak [wikipedia.org]

Re:And now script kiddies everywhere (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771484)

ah racist troll, dumb as the tripe you spit out, Sydir was Russian and very much a guerrilla k thanks you dumb twat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydir_Kovpak [wikipedia.org]

there is one thing dumber than any troll: the dumbass who feeds the troll.

oh and he's right. average black male in US is incarcerated by age of 30. i looked it up.

Re:And now script kiddies everywhere (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771526)

Uh... not all black males in the U.S. are incarcerated at any point in their lives. Therefore, by definition there cannot be an average age at which that occurs. Did you fail 7th grade math, perchance?

Re:And now script kiddies everywhere (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771574)

uhh yes there can, assign them infinity. makes it look pretty bad doesn't it ? LOL

Re:And now script kiddies everywhere (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771620)

The median is a specific type of average which can handle infinities, and might well be what that statistic was computed using.

Re:And now script kiddies everywhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771764)

He didn't say the average age a black male is incarcerated is 30. He said the average black male is incarcerated by 30.

Learn 2 reading comprehension.

Re:And now script kiddies everywhere (2)

guttentag (313541) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771766)

I think he meant "sysdir," not Sydir, and was trying to shut these script kiddies down by enticing them to carry out a preemptive strike on their own "SysDir."

SysDir [pcmag.com]
(SYStem DIRectory) A folder or subfolder that contains the operating system. In Windows, it typically refers to C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32

Re:And now script kiddies everywhere (1)

macraig (621737) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771536)

Boy, you're a mean Friday night drunk, aren't you?

Re:And now script kiddies everywhere (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771410)

You're an idiot. I don't even use the program or participate in any idiotic 'raids'. I just think it's laughable that people get called script kiddies merely for using a program that someone else made (unavoidable).

Re:And now script kiddies everywhere (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771460)

they get called script kiddies because they dont have the knowledge of how to write their own tools, and probably only have a basic (if any) understanding of how the tool works. It is not unavoidable, the person who WROTE the tool avoided it... the name comes from the fact that most of these people only know how to run a script, not what the script does, or how/why it works.

Re:And now script kiddies everywhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771504)

My understanding is that someone ported some of the functionality of LOIC, hosted it somewhere and were getting unsuspecting folks to initiate quick hits with links put out on twitter.

Kinda clever, and evil. Not so much because it worked, but because now everyone that participated has some basis for plausible deniability. Not that anyone is shedding any tears for the MPAA either way.

Re:And now script kiddies everywhere (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771598)

they get called script kiddies because they dont have the knowledge of how to write their own tools

This applies to most people. Is "script kiddie" an insult?

It is not unavoidable

Oh? So you write every program you use?

I know where the name comes from. I just think it's idiotic to call someone a script kiddie merely because they're using someone else's program.

Re:And now script kiddies everywhere (0)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771948)

and then walk around like they are jesus because of it

where the fuck is my story on slashdot, I used MS Office today, I should be some counter movement hero!

Re: Java web page (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771540)

Hey what you do is you make a HTML Java web page of loic the attack then comes from that website hosting provider. And your side you use a proxy. There is about 14 of these websites that I know of.

I took a LOIC in the ass (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771168)

and look what happened [goatse.ru]

Also I'm a Microsoft Shill, LOIC is developed by filthy linuxfags.

Re:I took a LOIC in the ass (4, Informative)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771182)

"Low Orbit Ion Cannon (LOIC) is an open source network stress testing and denial-of-service attack application, written in C#."

God the AC's round here are getting fucking dumber

Re:I took a LOIC in the ass (0)

macraig (621737) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771236)

That isn't saying much, given that the named posters I see here don't seem to be especially gifted or articulate.

Re:I took a LOIC in the ass (4, Funny)

finkployd (12902) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771688)

Am not!

Re:I took a LOIC in the ass (3, Funny)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771400)

... and the Linux version is called LOIQ (Low Orbit Ion Cannon in in Qt) ... you know, should any of us 'linuxfags' want to participate.

Is it worth a year in a hellhole? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771172)

You know, the tool does nothing to hide your IP. Average time in federal prison for this has been one year for using this tool. Lot of buttrape going to be happening in the future.

Re:Is it worth a year in a hellhole? (1, Insightful)

stanlyb (1839382) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771324)

You know, americans are only 300 millions. The whole population is about 7 billions. Do you think that only USA citizens did it? And even if you are able to, could you imprison 7 billion?

Re:Is it worth a year in a hellhole? (5, Insightful)

Jaktar (975138) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771440)

Elections are coming up, don't give them any ideas for lofty goals that they might try to implement! I've seen them debate, they're all batshit crazy enough to try and do it.

Re:Is it worth a year in a hellhole? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771822)

Gingrich will nuke someone if he thinks it might get him some strange.

Re:Is it worth a year in a hellhole? (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771518)

Your DA needs to build up his/her cyber crime numbers before moving to new levels of politics?
Sorts the ip's and finds all the middle/low class locals. Makes sure none are too rich or connected in some way - then the morning raids are set.
Thats the strange thing about all this - skilled hackers are usually turned or have life 'issues'.
This all seems like a huge trap with ip's been in the open, waiting to be tracked.

Re:Is it worth a year in a hellhole? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771550)

How is this a "trap?" The people doing this are breaking the law, and for no good reason at all. I wonder how many of them read the indictment against Megaupload. Mega * was guilty of a lot more than just shameless copyright infringement.

Re:Is it worth a year in a hellhole? (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771666)

A "trap" as in going from http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/01/social-radar-sees-minds/ [wired.com] - been watched
to been a COINTELPRO (Counter Intelligence Program) like trap - 'lets download tools and ..."
or http://cryptome.org/0006/anonymous-wabc.htm [cryptome.org]
http://cryptome.org/0006/anonymous-mused.htm [cryptome.org]

Re:Is it worth a year in a hellhole? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771884)

Mega * was guilty of a lot more than just shameless copyright infringement.

They're innocent until proven guilty. Why do you assume guilt?

Umm... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771178)

You're probably going to get caught if you don't know what you're doing.

Those downloading LOIC... (5, Informative)

wbr1 (2538558) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771198)

Those now downloading LOIC are not Anonymous.

Seriously.. their IP has been logged!

Re:Those downloading LOIC... (4, Interesting)

wisnoskij (1206448) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771264)

I wonder if it is all people from outside of the USA? and I wonder if America would have any luck extraditing thousands of people for a single crime.
I don't imagine that anyone non anonymously doing this in America really has a chance to get off easily. Something like this they are likely going to classify as terrorism.

Re:Those downloading LOIC... (3, Insightful)

Lunoria (1496339) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771438)

But, downloading LOIC is not a crime (Yet). Therefore why would Sourceforge hand over the IP requests if asked?

Re:Those downloading LOIC... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771716)

So they're not considered "associating" or "assisting" a terrorist organization under this year's NDAA, and sent off to cuba without a trial?

Re:Those downloading LOIC... (2)

future assassin (639396) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771486)

So what i they log half of the US? Concentration camps?

Re:Those downloading LOIC... (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771732)

No, they might just watch your search logs for a few weeks and then sort you into a weapons, drugs, crime or porn raid.
Camps get messy - too many smart people mixing, talking, making new friends, demanding lawyers, medical care, a few escapes with images, deaths, guards having fun...
You will see camps when less than 1% of the population is protesting - a big number for the USA.
Until then its very personal raids with courts or black sites.

Richard Stalman created worse: WGET. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771492)

wget has got to be the Tourist tool of the century of all the Brobots in 4Chon.net's R9K1.

Taking pictures and leaving footprints (Chuck Norris style).

Nothing to see here, move along.

Re:Those downloading LOIC... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771558)

If they have any sense, they're doing it behind an anonymous proxy/tor...

Re:Those downloading LOIC... (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771748)

So?

Let's say, for arguments sake, 100,000 people download it in the US and use it against the websites currently being hit by Anon. in response to the MegaUpload takedown. Are the authorities really gonna charge 100,000 people with DDoS or whatever the equivalent crime on the books is, most likely kids mind you, and drag them into court? I would LOVE to see that happen, and the resulting reaction from the Internet community, and Anonymous. Please, law enforcement agencies, and DOJ. PLEASE, do that!

They know full well they aren't going to flood the court system with that many fresh cases that ambulance chasers would LOVE to make a name for themselves on pro bono.

They're fools if they're not behind 7 proxies (4, Informative)

DanTheManMS (1039636) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771210)

After Operation Payback (the widespread use of LOIC against Bank of America, PayPal, and other entities that refused to process payments to Wikileaks), the FBI got involved. Raids were made. A freshman student at my own college was raided and had all his electronics taken away, and that was just for passively being an operator in an IRC channel that coordinated the attacks, not even running the tool himself.

As an above poster said, LOIC is not anonymous. I hope these script kiddies aren't so foolish as to make the same mistakes twice.

Re:They're fools if they're not behind 7 proxies (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771258)

Being an IRC operator of a channel coordinating the attacks is not being "Passive" about them, he is an active participant even if he didn't use the tool himself.
That's like saying a General in a war is passive, because they don't pull the trigger.

It's hard to make the same mistake twice, with all your equipment confiscated.

Re:They're fools if they're not behind 7 proxies (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771290)

He may have been an IRC operator of a channel which happened to be used to coordinate the attacks, not necessarily a channel solely intended to coordinate the attacks. The grandparent's post doesn't make that clear.

Re:They're fools if they're not behind 7 proxies (2)

kayditty (641006) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771376)

you can argue that case, at least if the channel is dedicated to that one cause. but intent is thought, not action. are we prosecuting people for their thoughts? anybody can join an IRC channel, presuming it's not keyed or invite-only, and anybody could even be accidentally made an operator. that's probably not likely, but just because someone is an operator somewhere doesn't mean they condone something other people around them are doing.

should they make an active effort to stop them? I don't recall signing up to be a police officer.

Re:They're fools if they're not behind 7 proxies (2)

lightknight (213164) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771898)

More along the lines of being the owner of a cafe that the rebels of a current government frequent.

Being in the same room as other does not equal complicity in the crimes perpetrated.

Re:They're fools if they're not behind 7 proxies (2)

kayditty (641006) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771296)

well, this whole thing is a joke and all of these guys are a bunch of clueless newbies, no doubt. but proxies? really? you don't DoS with proxies. then again, you don't use stateful protocols either. this whole thing is laughable.

Re:They're fools if they're not behind 7 proxies (1)

DanTheManMS (1039636) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771358)

I was kinda using the "Good luck, I'm behind seven proxies!" meme with the subject line there, not necessarily trying to be technologically accurate, heh.

Re:They're fools if they're not behind 7 proxies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771388)

Being the operator of an IRC channel and getting busted is also not the same as using LOIC and getting busted.

Re:They're fools if they're not behind 7 proxies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771390)

what's your point?

LOIC is not anonymous, nor is that even a valid statement or even anything other than a strawman.

The LOIC is the LOIC.

The question is - are people hiding their identities via proxies, VPN, etc? Or are they simply thinking running the LOIC isn't going to get them in trouble.

Re:They're fools if they're not behind 7 proxies (5, Insightful)

subreality (157447) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771476)

I hope these script kiddies aren't so foolish as to make the same mistakes twice.

Fuck that. I hope they do. DOS attacks are the lamest, most degenerate hacktivism ever. It doesn't change anyone's minds, it doesn't help create a better system, and it just causes damage in the process. The only thing it accomplishes is sating some primal desire for revenge, so I hope they get filtered out of the pool so the rest of us can go back to creating instead of defending.

You want to try to make things better but you're feeling disenfranchised? Subvert the system. Work on decentralized DNS replacements. Work on anonymity networks. Work on improving Bitcoin to make it a serious contender. Generate content and release it for free.

Don't destroy. Create.

Re:They're fools if they're not behind 7 proxies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771600)

It's called civil disobedience. With out it you'd still be riding at the back of the bus and drinking out of crappy water fountains.

Re:They're fools if they're not behind 7 proxies (4, Insightful)

subreality (157447) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771676)

Civil disobedience is flagrantly ignoring a law because it is unjust. If they ignore you, the sense of the law erodes. If they arrest you, you become a martyr. Either way you win. MegaUpload, The Pirate Bay, and all the positive things I mentioned earlier are civil disobedience.

DOS attacks aren't like refusing to go to the back of the bus... They're sugar in the gas tank. Anonymous vandalism isn't going to generate sympathy from your fellow citizens.

Re:They're fools if they're not behind 7 proxies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771848)

But who decides if it is unjust?

Re:They're fools if they're not behind 7 proxies (1)

lightknight (213164) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771906)

The people who write the history books, a hundred years from now.

Re:They're fools if they're not behind 7 proxies (3, Insightful)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771902)

DOS attacks aren't like refusing to go to the back of the bus... They're sugar in the gas tank.

Sugar in the gas tank causes permanent damage.
A DOS is the internet equivalent of a sit-in.
Or rather, sit-ins are pre-internet denial of service attacks.

Re:They're fools if they're not behind 7 proxies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771970)

Sugar does not do much, maybe clog the fuel filter, certainly not any permanent damage

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/fuel-consumption/sugar-in-gas-tank.htm

Re:They're fools if they're not behind 7 proxies (1)

MMORG (311325) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771624)

My kingdom for a mod point. Great post!

Perhaps the mistake is ignoring the warning shots (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771658)

I do agree with you, DOS attacks are pointless; however, what options are left? You make a bunch of statements but truthfully, all of them have been tried.

I just had to switch ISPs since my current one decided that SSL connections would be limited to 7kb/s (Yes, just slightly higher than modem speeds) and I work from home and have to use a VPN. There reasoning is simply that file sharers are using SSL and they can't deep packet inspect them so there solution is to rate limit all SSL connections to a barely acceptable speed.

As for subverting the system, or building something new to solve a problem that shouldn't exist, how many times must we do this? How many protocols for file sharing have been created already? They just keep adding laws or abusing laws or trying to force others to do their work for them (ISP, website owners, etc).

Look at megaupload (I'm not a fan and have never used any file service like this) but the simple fact is that that company is no different than any other company (e.g., Google). The fact is that it is (or was) illegal to hold one person legally responsible for the actions of others, but that is exactly what the "law" is doing by arresting the owners of megaupload. At this point of time we no longer have Law (for the people), and without Law their is nothing left. The simple fact is this "token" assault is a peaceful demonstration (aka Internet equivalent of marching in the streets) that should be taken seriously; but as you, and others make clear, it will do nothing and/or provide fodder for even more laws. So at which point does the message have to go from peaceful to non-peaceful? This is what I am scared of as I believe there is little or no chance of a peaceful settlement anymore :( So I will encourage as much of this peaceful demonstration as much as possible for the small glimmer of hope that the message will get across before the worse case occurs....

Back a person (including you) into a corner and sooner or later you realize you have no choice but to attack. High unemployment, unbalanced laws, misappropriation of laws/legal/justice, economic enslavement, loss of hope, loss of freedom, loss of the "american dream", and ignoring the will of the masses are all, in my opinion, signs that the perverbial shit is about to hit the fan....

But keep thinking it's just about some kids that want to have some fun....

Re:They're fools if they're not behind 7 proxies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771670)

It's already modded to 5. Why I don't know, it belies a fundamental misunderstanding of the issues involved.

Re:They're fools if they're not behind 7 proxies (1)

subreality (157447) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771746)

Explain it to me, then. What don't I understand?

Re:They're fools if they're not behind 7 proxies (1)

MMORG (311325) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771886)

No, that was a congratulatory comment. I complete agree with what you said.

Re:They're fools if they're not behind 7 proxies (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771868)

Don't destroy. Create.

Don't destroy. Create.

You need to be sending that message to the people sitting in government and industry, and NOT to a bunch of freedom loving, disenfranchised geeks.

Unfortunately when you are dealing with a bully the only way to stop them is to fight back. The day of protest only delayed the inevitable. And all those things that you are talking about; bitcoin and proxies, can just as easily be destroyed by the copyright lobby as all those things proposed by SOPA and PIPA.

Government and industry are so far being much more aggressive and are doing a lot more damage to the Internet than Anonymous. The major difference is that Anonymous at least believe that they are doing the right thing.

Slashdot wants YOU! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771230)

1. Get the official LOIC http://sourceforge.net/projects/loic/ [sourceforge.net]
2. Unzip it
3. Run it
4. Enter a URL or IP
5. IMMA CHARGIN' MAH LAZER
6. ????
7. Profit!

LOIC was mentioned on MSM last night (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771250)

LOIC was actually mentioned on one of the MSM channels last night. I think it was NBC, maybe others. I think a bunch of N00bs are about to get more than they bargained for, perhaps even a knock on the door...

Fight the power, Anon! (5, Insightful)

TiggertheMad (556308) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771268)

I recently had an insight about Anon's activities. The reason hactivisim is gaining strength as a movement is because people are disenfranchised with society and seen conventional avenues of affecting change as a waste of time. The 'man' has a tight grip on the media, politicians and the police are being increasingly militarized for use on peaceful protesters.

People are unhappy with the status quo. Unless change starts happening now and fast, I predict Anon's numbers and targets to grow substantially in the coming years.

Re:Fight the power, Anon! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771288)

Fighting the power, lol..

They the emo's of the internet, nothing more.

Re:Fight the power, Anon! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771308)

you're an asshole

Re:Fight the power, Anon! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771434)

Intelligent response...(Sad times are these!)

Re:Fight the power, Anon! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771498)

Sad times are these!

We never had as much customers as we have now, so for us these times are good times.
You just have to choose your industry wisely.
Ours is higher eduction...

Re:Fight the power, Anon! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771406)

The reason hactivisim is gaining strength as a movement is because people are disenfranchised with society and seen conventional avenues of affecting change as a waste of time.

Well, hear, hear. Obviously conventional avenues of effecting change are a waste of time; they have proven not to work. A bunch of nerds, techies, and assorted sending e-mails and letters to a representative? You get a standard text back. Bla-di-bla protect interests of creators bla-di-bla thousands of jobs.

Now with Wikipedia and Google blacking out and providing the masses with uncensored information about SOPA and the obvious reaction, that it something that worked. That is why Dodd (MPAA) wants to meet in camera with the tech industry giants to see if they together can't work something out. The public again off the game board. And what are they going to do? Vote Democratic? You get what you have now: ACTA, SOPA/PIPA, etc. Vote Republican? Who knows what you would have gotten. Left or right, you lose.

The only thing Dodd is scared about is a mainstream medium that is not part of the Entertainment Industry. A side-channel. What if that medium tasks itself to educating the public regarding copyrights and how ridiculous it is that a recording made in 1935 won't enter the Public Domain until 2067. What if it starts calling people to action? That is way more effective that DDOSing a few irrelevant sites.

Re:Fight the power, Anon! (2)

reve_etrange (2377702) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771538)

a recording made in 1935 won't enter the Public Domain until 2067

I'd say that's extremely optimistic considering that US life expectancy is now 76 years. I guess it was lower in 1935 though.

Re:Fight the power, Anon! (1)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771758)

Living for 62 years after making a recording isn't really all that optimistic. It's probably less than one standard deviation above the norm even if someone made the recording in his/her mid-twenties.

Re:Fight the power, Anon! (5, Insightful)

guttentag (313541) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771882)

What if that medium tasks itself to educating the public regarding copyrights and how ridiculous it is that a recording made in 1935 won't enter the Public Domain until 2067.

My favorite example of the ridiculousness of copyright abuse by the content industry is still Happy Birthday To You [wikipedia.org] . The tune was first published in 1858... three years before Abraham Lincoln took office! Martin Van Buren, the country's 8th president, was still alive! Mark Twain wouldn't publish Tom Sawyer for another two decades! Yet this song was published in a few different forms over the next 80 years or so, and now the copyright on it does not expire until 2030... 172 years after it was first published. Think this is just some obscure case that no one takes seriously? Warner Music Group bought the rights to it in 1998, and as recently as 2008 they reported earning $5000 a day in royalties. Ever wonder why restaurant employees will embarrass you on your birthday but won't really sing Happy Birthday? Because it would be a public performance of a copyrighted work and they would be liable!

Re:Fight the power, Anon! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771490)

Anonymous is about one thing and one thing only - the lulz. Trying to ascribe them to some "noble" cause is naive at best.

As for the status quo, government hasn't been about serving the people for quite some time. This is not a recent development.

Re:Fight the power, Anon! (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771532)

Taking a stand for MegaUpload? This is a perfect example of when anonymous gives itself a bad name.
Kim DotCom is a greedy ruthlessly conniving pig of a man that makes wall street executives look noble in comparison. His success is based on the exploitation and stealing of others. [wsj.com]

This isnt fighting oppression, this is being a crybaby because you cant download your latest call of duty game in a few clicks

Re:Fight the power, Anon! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771608)

The reason hactivisim is gaining strength as a movement is because people are disenfranchised with society and seen conventional avenues of affecting change as a waste of time.

and this is somehow novel to this generation. I was 16 once and an anarchist then i grew up got a job and learned how society and the world really works.

Real change comes from within. Vote, run for politics, discuss politics with your peers and elders. Somehow everyone decided discussing politics was a dirty evil topic and society went to hell as everyone started caring more about what the Kardashians are doing than whats going on with the world around them.

Re:Fight the power, Anon! (2, Insightful)

MMORG (311325) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771644)

Well, let's see. We just got done with a well-constructed, well-reasoned, well-executed protest against SOPA and PIPA, and we killed those bills dead as a *direct result*. When was the last time a DDoS did *anything* other than harden the resolve of the party being attacked? How do they think the MPAA et al will react? "Oh my goodness, some script kiddies are DDoSing our web site. Quick, release the MegaUpload people from jail and turn their servers back on! It's our only hope!"

Re:Fight the power, Anon! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771804)

When was the last time a DDoS did *anything* other than harden the resolve of the party being attacked?

Good. Because you know what?

Well, let's see. We just got done with a well-constructed, well-reasoned, well-executed protest against SOPA and PIPA,

We just got done with fucking nothing.

SOPA and PIPA will pass in other forms, and you won't do a fucking thing about it. Because this November, you fucks are going to really show them. You're going to vote for Obama, because Republicans are bad. You're going to vote out those corrupt fuckers in Congress, except your own, because it's all the other states' senators who are corrupt, not your wealth-pilfering, pork-guzzling gentletwats. Oh yes.

Where the fuck was Wikipedia when the NDAA went through?

Where the fuck was Google when an American citizen was summarily executed by the military, without warrant, arrest, charge, trial or any due process whatsoever?

SOPA? Give me a fucking break. SOPA is perhaps the most inconsequential thing the Internet has ever been butthurt about.

Re:Fight the power, Anon! (1)

lightknight (213164) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771928)

SOPA is the straw that threatens to break the camel's back. It takes a lot to stop a House / Senate bill on short notice, even if it's temporary.

Re:Fight the power, Anon! (1)

MMORG (311325) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771958)

Um, ok then . . . carry on with your DDoS, I guess. Cause, yeah, that'll show 'em.

Re:Fight the power, Anon! (5, Insightful)

flyingsquid (813711) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771646)

I recently had an insight about Anon's activities. The reason hactivisim is gaining strength as a movement is because people are disenfranchised with society and seen conventional avenues of affecting change as a waste of time. The 'man' has a tight grip on the media, politicians and the police are being increasingly militarized for use on peaceful protesters. People are unhappy with the status quo. Unless change starts happening now and fast, I predict Anon's numbers and targets to grow substantially in the coming years.

And these people are protesting what, exactly? That they might have to pay $8 in a theater to see the latest, oppressively stupid instalment of the "Transformers" franchise instead of getting to download it for free? Yeah, these guys are real crusaders for social justice.

There's a right way and a wrong way to do online activism. Google and Wikipedia showed the right way to do it with their protests of SOPA. Their protests made a powerful statement about online freedom without attacking anyone, and it was amazing to see how quickly Congress retreated. By comparison, the Anonymous attacks just seem like a vindictive act of petty vandalism, by a bunch of kids who are angry because their parents have taken their toys away from them. It's not helping anything, if anything it's destructive. People are going to think "if this is what they mean by freedom of speech, then maybe I'm in favor of a little censorship".

The death of 1000 scripts... (1, Insightful)

TiggertheMad (556308) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771866)

And these people are protesting what, exactly? That they might have to pay $8 in a theater to see the latest, oppressively stupid instalment of the "Transformers" franchise instead of getting to download it for free? Yeah, these guys are real crusaders for social justice.

Just because their method of displaying their discord isn't particularly proactive, doesn't mean that they don't have a legitimate complaint. While specific individuals might have varying motives, I get the impression that Anon's objections to big media is less about getting a few free torrents, and more about the control and power corporations exercise over individuals in society.

From your tone, I am guessing that you are unimpressed with them, so I will cast down the gauntlet: What is a better way to deal with corporations attempts to erode your rights in the name of greater profits? You going to hit em with the big guns, and write a letter to your congressman?

knee (1, Funny)

phrostie (121428) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771338)

I used to be an adventurer like you, then i took an LOIC in the knee.

Re:knee (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771750)

i swear to god if this starts up again i am going to track you down and shoot you in the knee.

Re:knee (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771908)

>>I used to be an adventurer like you, then i took an LOIC in the knee.

sounds less painful than a herring.

ANONYMOUS CAN SUCK IT @!@! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771340)

MegaUpLoad has been doing warez since 2000, when it was a kommie's wetdream, but now it needed to be spanked, and spanked it was, by the US of A elite (DoJ + MPAA + RIAA and all the motherfuckers it ripped off), so I say, What the fuck did you expect, you stupid motherfucker !!

Well (0)

M0j0_j0j0 (1250800) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771368)

It makes sense, and fits the "angry mob", they don't care , they are taking away from people that "think" they have nothing to lose, it is the people fighting for whatever they believe in.

Really? Sourceforge is hosting DoS tools? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771442)

William M. Sams in handcuffs. Thats something you don't see every day.

Anonymous Docsis (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771542)

If anyone is going to be using this tool they need to learn how to be completely anonymous with docsis technology...

The Sheep’s Mere Sheep (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771560)

... easily dispersed should you strike the shepherd.

Politicians, DoJ, even the RIAA and MPAA, these are mere sheep. Willing scapegoats, but immortal. You cannot destroy them. You must strike at the human minds behind.

Take away the anonymity of the directors of the copyright owning corporations behind this. Expose their secrets. Illuminate their crimes. Dissolve their privacy, pull back the veil behind which they destroy human rights. Ruin their lives. Then tell them why. Tell the world why. Let them be a lesson.

Do not be fooled into thinking your government is against you. Once educated, they will be your greatest ally. But they have been deceived. Strike at the heart of the corruption, not a symptom of it.

Time for the net-neutrality 'activist plugin' (3, Interesting)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771618)

I've got an idea, but I don't develop/code software.... someone please run with this....

Make a plugin for browsers that denies or blocks access to sites for companies that are actively pushing to destroy net neutrality. Like most blacklists, they are maintained by a source that tries to keep up to date, and upon whom the subscribers bestow trust (that the sites are indeed pushing against net neutrality).

A few ideas...

1) Block site, and reference evidence as to why.
2) Offer option to continue to the site (lets say you've got to pay your ATT bill online or something, but you like the filter for most other reasons but were forced to choose ATT for an ISP thanks to oligopoly).
3) Link to donations for EFF or other pro-net-neutrality activism groups?

Anyway.. I feel like something like this, if produced well, and promoted, would catch the eye of even the layman who may be interested, and want to be supportive, but may not actively follow the unfolding drama around the topic... The outcry against SOPA/PIPA clearly grabbed the attention of many who are politically inept or disinterested, and they motivated well. It would be nice to see a plugin like this spread with public support.

Re:Time for the net-neutrality 'activist plugin' (1)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771812)

Honestly, I have a hard time imagining someone who doesn't know about net neutrality issues, but would still choose to install a plugin that actively detracts from their usage of the internet in order to support net neutrality. Seems that anyone who might be interested enough to download the plugin would probably be interested enough to do their own research.

Re:Time for the net-neutrality 'activist plugin' (1)

repapetilto (1219852) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771834)

Many people feel net neutrality is a government solution to a problem created by government generated barriers to entry in the first place. I haven't researched it myself so I don't know how much of a role the government plays in creating ISP monopolies, but I wouldn't assume more regulation is the answer.

Um....? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38771706)

So you're saying sourceforge is sponsoring terrorism and illegal activities? Bring it DOWN!!!!

fingers crossed (0, Troll)

buddyglass (925859) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771806)

Here's hoping they all get caught and do time.

Stupid idea. (2)

O('_')O_Bush (1162487) | more than 2 years ago | (#38771832)

LOIC can't bring down the gov't. The gov't doesn't see illegal attacks as civil disobedience. There is nothing that will push the gov't to crack down on these people like scaring them with a little anarchy.

If you want to protest, do so legally and publicly. The Guy Fawkes mask protests were a great gimmick to get media attention and raise awareness. Chances are, elected officials will be more likely to act in your favor if they see their jobs and sweet money flow coming to an end.
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