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Jailbreak For A5 iOS Devices Released

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the just-a-matter-of-time dept.

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tlhIngan writes "It certainly took long enough, but the untethered jailbreak for Apple's A5 based iOS devices (iPad 2, iPhone 4s) has been released (official site, struggling due to traffic). It's currently only available for OS X, though ports of it to Windows are forthcoming."

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Not being a troll, Serious question. (0)

allaunjsilverfox2 (882195) | more than 2 years ago | (#38777469)

Will there be a way to port it to other OSes? I assume since MacOS is unix based, It wouldn't be a HORRIBLE job to port it to your favorite *nix?

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (4, Informative)

FreeCoder (2558096) | more than 2 years ago | (#38777483)

What interests me is the promotion of these jailbreaks as a good thing. It's an exploit, after all. That allows the attacker to completely root your device, often just by visiting a website. It's not only limited to iOS either, this is rampant in Android too. The only current devices with no known exploits are Windows Phone 7 based, which is very telling.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (5, Insightful)

Cryacin (657549) | more than 2 years ago | (#38777499)

What interests me is that you obviously don't own your own phone according to the gospel of Jobs. This is why I moved from Apple. Unless Apple Inc. wishes to give me a free phone, I OWN THE DAMN THING.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38777657)

Apple will give you a free phone with a 2 year contract.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 2 years ago | (#38777743)

And the GP will probably end up handing over double the cost of the phone to the carrier in the process. You don't get a free phone with a contract, that cost is tacked onto the bill and requires a multi year contract.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38777789)

Unless you use t-mobile, you pay the same price, contract or not. Even on t-mobile, it's only a few dollars (under $10) a month cheaper.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (1)

TheCouchPotatoFamine (628797) | more than 2 years ago | (#38777901)

which means they are ripping you off if you don't buy a phone, not the reverse. Geez, you act like their motivations are as pure as wind driven snow.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38778023)

I said nothing about their motivations, I just stated the way it is. If i'm paying the same price, I might as well get a subsidized phone too.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#38777927)

If you're going to pay the same rate for two years, why not get a free phone thrown in?

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778099)

Contract is why. I don't get a new phone every year which means that when the carrier pisses me off I can walk immediately if I choose. The fact that most of the carriers are engaged in this kind of activity is more an argument for the government breaking up the cartel than it is to bend over even further.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (5, Funny)

rvw (755107) | more than 2 years ago | (#38777687)

What interests me is that you obviously don't own your own phone according to the gospel of Jobs. This is why I moved from Apple. Unless Apple Inc. wishes to give me a free phone, I OWN THE DAMN THING.

In Jobiet Russia, the phone owns you!

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38778035)

I don't understand the way slashdot commenters use the word "own." What do you mean, "you don't own your own phone?" Of course you own your own phone. You can make calls on it. You can run apps on it. You can smash it if you want. What else do you want?

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (5, Insightful)

jc42 (318812) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778415)

Of course you own your own phone. You can make calls on it. You can run apps on it. You can smash it if you want. What else do you want?

Well, I'm a programmer, of the "system programmer" and "network programmer" variety. Apple (and/or my cell-phone company) doesn't permit me to write and test my own software on their phones, unless I pay a special price to get a temporary "developer" account. So no, with the standard contract, I don't "own" my phone in the way any programmer would mean by that word. Someone else has the legal right to deny me the ability to write the kinds of software that I make a living writing.

So to me, it's as if I were, say, a taxi driver, and I bought a new car, and found out that it didn't permit me to enter any taxi stands. To do that, I'd have to pay the auto maker an extra "professional driver" fee every year. Any taxi driver would say "WTF?!!", and ask some mechanics how to break that idiotic lock. Car makers have no right to restrict where we can drive their vehicles.

As a professional software geek, I respond the same way to the usual smart-phone "jail". An iPhone or iPad isn't a "computer" as I define the term. That is, it isn't programmable; it's a datacomm appliance, but not a computer. To get access to the (fairly powerful) computer hidden inside them, I have to pay an extra annual rental for a temporary permit to use them as my jobs require. "Buying" the gadget didn't give me the right to develop and test my software on them.

And yes, I have been bitten by this problem on several projects, where we bought "smart phones" for the explicit purpose of developing and testing software. With several of them, we proved eventually that our problems were due to the blocks that the vendors (well-known cell-phone companies) had installed, and didn't remove even when our employer paid their "developer" fees. Funny thing; when we proved to their support people that there were still blocks installed that explained why our stuff failed, they weren't the least bit apologetic. It's more like they were annoyed that we'd found out how they did it.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38778591)

Bro, Apple has to have someone audit every shitty ass app some lame college kid or basement hacker uploads to the app store, you expect them to do all this free?

Seriously, if your app isn't going to produce enough revenue to pay for the $100 developer membership you should really ask yourself what the fuck value to society, your employer and yourself is the shit you're coding? If your app isn't going to bring even 100 dollars of value into the world then maybe you need to find a better way to spend your time.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (0, Troll)

mr100percent (57156) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778749)

Apple lets you run your own deep code on the phone, they just charge a $99/year developers fee. Once you pay that, basically you "own" the phone by the terms you set. Complain about the extra charge, but don't complain about lack of ownership.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (5, Insightful)

rohan972 (880586) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778771)

A charge for use for a period of time is rent. Renting is not the same as owning.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38778259)

So you think that you own the Windows OS on your PC?

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (1)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 2 years ago | (#38777759)

It was easier to jailbreak my iPod touch than it was to root Android Optimus V.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (2)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 2 years ago | (#38777791)

I googled it for you.

Instructions

1. Extract "ov-root.zip" to a convenient location, you will use this later.
2. If your Optimus V isn't already connected to your PC with a USB cable, go ahead and do that.
3. Extract Super One Click and run "SuperOneClick.exe".
4. Select Shell Root.

http://www.prepaidandroid.org/index.php?title=How_to_root_your_Optimus_V [prepaidandroid.org]

If you need any more help, there's plenty of Android forums with tips for people who aren't good with technology. They're used to dealing with novices, and are likely to be patient with your questions.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (5, Informative)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 2 years ago | (#38777817)

How to jailbreak or 4S/iPad 2:

1) Download Absinthe
2) Click jailbreak

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (0)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778055)

I double clicked on the .exe my my Mac and Linux machines don't know what to do with it.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (1)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778297)

I Googled that for you too.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Android+Optimus+V&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&lr=lang_en#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&lr=lang_en&safe=off&tbs=lr:lang_1en&source=hp&q=mac+Android+Optimus+V&pbx=1&oq=mac+Android+Optimus+V&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=3796l4458l0l4984l4l4l0l0l0l3l680l2010l3-1.1.2l4l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&fp=16c1cac6da449bf6&biw=1910&bih=986

Good luck with any other new technology you're struggling with.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (1)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778417)

I didn't say it was impossible. I said it was more difficult to. It was in response to the OP that is being all high and mighty because he's avoiding Apple. Android cell phone companies are no better.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (1, Flamebait)

ToasterMonkey (467067) | more than 2 years ago | (#38777965)

What interests me is that you obviously don't own your own phone according to the gospel of Jobs. This is why I moved from Apple. Unless Apple Inc. wishes to give me a free phone, I OWN THE DAMN THING.

So go nuts with a soldering gun, but you don't own Apple's software.

You can make that little A5 chip or the other components do anything you want electrically, but nobody is compelled to give you software that logically does anything you think of simply because the hardware is programmable and Turing complete.

That goes for anything, not just Apple's gear. I'm sick of all this "you don't own it" bullcrap because some people feel entitled to development frameworks, flashing tools, specifications, etc. for anything with a programmable chip inside it. I'm sorry, that's actually giving most of you too much credit because you don't want to do actual work, you just want the software that someone else wrote to do what you want, probably for free. /rant

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (1)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778003)

So what you're saying is that Apple customers have not bought the operating systems for their devices, just the hardware?

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38778233)

It same for most software. You don't own your copy of Ubuntu. You don't own the copyright.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | more than 2 years ago | (#38779139)

It same for most software. You don't own your copy of Ubuntu. You don't own the copyright.

Ubuntu grants you a license that says you can do with it pretty much whatever you like (as long as you make source available for any binaries you've modified and distributed). They don't charge you for the OS, and they don't charge you extra just to be able to run "gcc hello_world.c".

That's a hella better "ownership" deal than you're ever going to get out of Apple.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (4, Insightful)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778241)

So what you're saying is that Apple customers have not bought the operating systems for their devices, just the hardware?

Well, I haven't read the Apple EULA, but if it's like similar EULAs (and I assume it is) then the answer is yes. It's the same with Windows.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778361)

They've bought the device as described. With all the features listed on the box/marketing materials. If someone can hack it to do something else, then good luck to them. But the manufacturer of the device doesn't owe any purchasers assistance with that.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (0)

sqrt(2) (786011) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778255)

You do own the phone. You're free to do whatever you want with it if you can figure it out. Oh, you mean you want Apple to do all the work for you, release all the documentation and provide you with the tools you need? Sorry, but they have no obligation to do that. You're still free to do it on your own, but then don't come crying for Apple to replace it for free when you void the warranty trying to hack/mod your hardware. You are free in every way to use the hardware as you wish, what you are really angry at is that Apple makes no attempts to help you in that endeavor.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (4, Interesting)

AmigaMMC (1103025) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778325)

You do own the phone. You're free to do whatever you want with it if you can figure it out. Oh, you mean you want Apple to do all the work for you, release all the documentation and provide you with the tools you need? Sorry, but they have no obligation to do that. You're still free to do it on your own, but then don't come crying for Apple to replace it for free when you void the warranty trying to hack/mod your hardware. You are free in every way to use the hardware as you wish, what you are really angry at is that Apple makes no attempts to help you in that endeavor.

Really? So why did Apple feel the need to file a patent under which they can kill an iphone by distance when they find out it's jailbroken?

Who know if they'll use it or not, but that's not the point, they have a patent for it.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (1)

BlackThorne_DK (688564) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778373)

Actually, I think that once you have broken your device, and loaded a custom firmware, it is no longer in a state, where the FCC allows you to connect to the cell networks. It of course depends on the state of the radio piece of the firmware, but you can't do _everything_ you want with it, just because you own the damn thing..

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38778753)

Not sure about the custom firmware part, but the FCC can go knock on the Library of Congress's door. They're the ones that declared once and for all it's legal to jailbreak and unlock.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (3, Insightful)

sjames (1099) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778979)

I just want Apple to not actively work against me doing what I want with my phone. It's also not a huge ask to expect complete documentation.

And before you say "so don't buy one", I didn't and won't.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38777527)

You don't have the foggiest idea of what you're speaking about, do you?

You may have set a new record for the number of incorrect assertations in only 5 sentences.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (0, Troll)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 2 years ago | (#38777601)

FreeCoder is another of the Bonc/Sharklaser/OverlyCriticalGuy gang.

Every posting from them is slanted as an attack on Android, Google or Linux.

re: not trolling, but serious answer (5, Interesting)

King_TJ (85913) | more than 2 years ago | (#38777673)

The only reason Windows Phone 7 hasn't caused any ruckus over concepts like rooting/jailbreaking/unlocking is because it has such a small market-share to begin with. The few people using those phones are typically not even the "power users" who'd care about such things, and the overall lack of developer support for their phone means there's little incentive to CARE anyway.

Really, before smartphones even came out, this was a problem everyone had to put up with. I remember having a Moto Razr with downloadable apps using the proprietary "BREW" language, all locked down with DRM. Your phone got lost and had to be replaced? You lost your apps and had to beg them to let you re-download them without paying again (which they'd often not do).

Re: not trolling, but serious answer (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#38777907)

Really, before smartphones even came out, this was a problem everyone had to put up with

Yep, I remember that. It was disappointing and sucked. I was always interested in the Windows Mobile devices, at least the ones that weren't deliberately crippled by the carrier (lol Verizon.)

This push to return us to those bad old days sucks, especially as devices are even more connected and powerful than ever. The worst is the spread of it into tablets and, slowly, into desktop PCs.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (2)

IKnwThePiecesFt (693955) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778251)

While there have been some exploits that allow jailbreaking via website, the vast majority (all of the IOS 5, so far) vulnerabilities require the phone to be put into DFU mode. If there's a vulnerability in the OS while running in a mode specifically designed for altering the OS from outside of the OS, I don't think that's a very big deal (security wise).

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (1)

anethema (99553) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778647)

Mod parent up. 99% of jailbreaks are not based on exploits in userland through safari, they are based on USB flaws, bootrom flaws, kernel flaws, etc. They can not be remotely exploited.

I haven't read into it too much but it appears that the A5 jailbreak gets in through a hole in (the local setup of) the VPN tunnel in the OS.

Same as a real computer, once your attacker has physical access you're hooped.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38778273)

Only a couple of minor revisions of IOS had jailbreaks offered through the web.

The vast majority have been breaking the bootloader over USB. This, to me, is not only acceptable but downright expected in hardware I OWN. Your point is like saying that being able to take over another device (router, set top box, etc.) via JTAG is a vulnerability.

Now, it is true that it is a bug in IOS we take advantage of. In some cases it has been a userland bug, in some case the kernel, and in others, the bootloader. An exploit using vulnerabilities are dependent upon the platform you tether to (with an IOS device, typically Windows or OS X) so the exploit would have to incorporate code for both the host device AND the IOS device, PLUS you have to manually put your phone into DFU mode. The chances of a cracker spending the time to attack such a slim vector and engage in sufficient social engineering to convince a user to get into DFU mode are vanishingly slim - especially when you take into account that a much wider audience can be scammed through attacking desktop Windows and installing $FakeAV $20XX,, or simply spamming people.

In other words, it's not something to really get worked up over, but is beneficial for people who want to jailbreak their phones and gain access to a shell prompt, run ssh, enhance the GUI by adding sbsettings, actionmenu, add more columns to the dock and more columns and/or rows to springboard, and so on, it is a feature not a bug.

Besides, when you do jailbreak the versions that have the web exploit, the jailbreak can patch that vulnerability for you, while Apple is sitting on their asses taking their sweet time to release a fix.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (1)

rohan972 (880586) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778813)

That allows the attacker to completely root your device

Attacker? Owner! If I pay for a device, it's mine and I shouldn't be regarded as an attacker.

If anything, an attacker has locked me out of my device. These tools are for freedom fighters. The fact that they are also available to attackers is an unavoidable effect of progress.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (1)

sjames (1099) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778923)

Yes, it tells us that there aren't enough Windows 7 phones in the wild to interest anyone in creating an exploit.

I know for some Android phones, there is no actual exploit of the production firmware involved. Rather, a reverse engineered key is placed on the SD so that the bootloader will willingly load an unsigned OS (this is a feature for development). Then an older OS with an exploit is loaded and exploited. That approach also involves attaching the debugger (just try that over the web).

Honestly, a proper method for a user to root their own device should be mandated by law. We shouldn't need an exploit to gain full control of the devices we own.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (1)

morgauxo (974071) | more than 2 years ago | (#38779123)

What question? All you did was make a statement?

What I don't get is how so many commenters aren't getting taken to task for comments that issues are 'rampant' on Android. I use Android and I know several other Android users. Yeah, I'm pretty technical compared to the average population (probably pretty average here) and can probably better recognize things to avoid but most of my friends/family are not. Not at all! And yet.. I don't know anyone who has ever been hit with a piece of malware or a hacker on their Android phone. I suspect if I knew people with jailbroken i-devices I would be saying the same but I just don't know anyone using one.

Don't get me wrong, it's not that I think reports that exploits and malware exist are lies. It's just that from what I can see they are not rampant and the odds of getting hit by one are very low. My phone could get hit by a car too (while in my pocket). That is a much more serious threat and probably more likely. From what I can see these reports of attackers or malware being RAMPANT on Android is just the work of shills and fanbois parroting FUD.

If you are going to get any kind of smart device (smart phone, tablet, etc...) know this.. They ARE computers. You SHOULD at least learn the basics of taking care of it and protecting yourself from malware/hackers but you don't have to be paranoid or know how to build one from scratch or anything like that. If you are afraid of an Android or jailbroken iDevice just because someone told you they are particularly unsafe then relax and get it anyway. Come on in, the water is fine!

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38777493)

A windows version is already out, google for "absynth 0.2 win".
If I were in your shoes, I'd be waiting. Usually, when a jailbreak comes out, lots of bug happen to be found and fixed in the first week.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (2)

sirsnork (530512) | more than 2 years ago | (#38777573)

Uh.. what?

To begin with, if you go to the official site, you'll see a linux port is also coming.

As this is a jailbreak for an iOS device. All the host computer does is connect to the iPhone/iPad and throw data at it until the exploits can be... exploited.

So spending the time to port an application that only needs to be run once, to OS's with a small userbase just isn't worth the time. If you have one of the devices that needs this JB, and don't have access to a Windows, linunx or Mac based system, then you wouldn't have been waiting for this JB to begin with, since you never would have done it before and probably aren't even aware you could, or why you would.

Re:Not being a troll, Serious question. (1)

R.Mo_Robert (737913) | more than 2 years ago | (#38777707)

There are already Windows and Linux links on the site. Didn't try them, but they're right by the OS X one, so I'm assuming it's the same...

Fuck IOS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38777491)

Android FTW

Re:Fuck IOS (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38777561)

I'm on my 2nd wipe/restore because my Galaxy Tab goes into a reboot loop when bluetooth is enabled. Fuck Android.

Re:Fuck IOS (4, Funny)

anss123 (985305) | more than 2 years ago | (#38777649)

I turned off Bluetooth on the 4S as it drains battery. With that, GPS, SIRI, brightness, notifications and whatever else I could think off I pushed battery life up to a whooping 3 days.

/Disappointed with iPhone.

My sis say I should turn of 3G. It apparently drains the battery a lot, but I must be getting really old as I haven't figured how to do that, and no way will I ask her how.

/Embarrassed

Re:Fuck IOS (1)

NiceGeek (126629) | more than 2 years ago | (#38777769)

I seriously doubt you'll get much more battery life out of any modern smartphone - at least without disabling most of what makes it "smart"
If you really do want to disable 3G, go into Settings>General>Network>Enable 3G

Re:Fuck IOS (1)

anss123 (985305) | more than 2 years ago | (#38777885)

I seriously doubt you'll get much more battery life out of any modern smartphone - at least without disabling most of what makes it "smart"

My old Smartphone got a week when it was new. It's down to 4-5 days now. Its screen is smaller, CPU slower and what not, so it's not a fair comparison I suppose, but it did most of the stuff the iPhone does well enough. Including GPS, Wifi, 3G, Video chat, MP3, etc.

I had expect the iPhone to at least mach that old thing. It's newer tech and all that.

If you really do want to disable 3G, go into Settings>General>Network>Enable 3G

Nope, there's nothing about 3G there. Closest is "mobil nettwork" but that seems to be about the operator.

Re:Fuck IOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38778129)

ROFLMAO! my throwaway terrorist burn phone (samsung 105) lasts *months* on a charge - but then again i only use it for outgoing calls and turn it off when not in use - oh, and service is $49 a year w/my minutes covered at about $6 a month

Re:Fuck IOS (1)

Tsingi (870990) | more than 2 years ago | (#38777821)

My sis say I should turn of 3G. It apparently drains the battery a lot, but I must be getting really old as I haven't figured how to do that, and no way will I ask her how.
/Embarrassed

+1 funny, Sure made me laugh.

Re:Fuck IOS (3, Informative)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778031)

My sis say I should turn of 3G. It apparently drains the battery a lot, but I must be getting really old as I haven't figured how to do that, and no way will I ask her how.

The battery does last longer with 3G off, however you cannot turn it off wit the 4S, presumably due to Apple arrogance. However, there's a rumor floating around that the 5.1 update will put that switch back in. The source of that rumor is that the current beta builds has it available.

Re:Fuck IOS (1)

anss123 (985305) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778077)

Ahh, that's nice to know. Thanks.

Parent post is ignorant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38778717)

Turning off 3G on a cell phone would disable the ability to place and receive cell phone calls, which is, after all, the primary purpose of the device.

Re:Parent post is ignorant (1)

Hamsterdan (815291) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778919)

No... The phone will simply revert to Edge speeds. On my iPhone 3G it helped with battery life (at the expense of much slower data speeds)

Re:Parent post is ignorant (2)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#38779153)

Turning off 3G on a cell phone would disable the ability to place and receive cell phone calls, which is, after all, the primary purpose of the device.

You don't know what you're talking about.

I really am tired of this know-it-all attitude lots of people around here have. Normally I wouldn't mind, but thanks for jumping to the conclusion that I was giving him useless advice to conserve battery power. It's nice to see somebody who thinks I'm a moron come by and correct me on something and turn out to be completely wrong.

So, if you don't mind me asking, do you think you're an expert on all topics and were attempting to prove that, or were you just trying to get the word Insightful to appear next to your post?

Re:Fuck IOS (3, Informative)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778257)

battery life up to a whooping 3 days

Don't you sleep? Plug your phone in when you go to bed, unplug it when you wake up. Then it's always juiced up. I do this as a matter of rote.

Re:Fuck IOS (2)

anss123 (985305) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778345)

Weeel... I prefer leaving the phone in my jacket, as I don't use it much when I'm home, and I charge it on weekends or at work. I also like going places without bringing charger cables, as the less I have to bring with me on my travels the less I forget on my way home :-)

Re:Fuck IOS (1)

Hamsterdan (815291) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778927)

^ this

Re:Fuck IOS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38778971)

You shouldn't have bought a toy designed for young people you over the hill, past-it old fucker.

Fuck off back to your Nokia LCD screen piece of shit phone that had a 3 week battery life, you probably can't use anything on the smart phone you've bought anyway, except for spending 20 minutes typing a 1-line email with your reading glasses on.

Re:Fuck IOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38778731)

I remember this used to be, er still is an issue with laptop chargers. What has changed is that we no longer carry a laptop to and from work daily because the internet is now snugly available through pocket devices.

A nighly charge for your smartphone is no comfort because not all chargers are standard. (1) By 5PM an Android phone will be more than halfway drained if you play music to/from work and browse the web in your lunch break under bright backlight, (2) by 9PM you'll have only juice for emergency web access, lose camera access completely on the stock app (it arrogantly shuts off under the 25% power alert condition). Worst, I find myself needing to turn on GPS fully knowing that every second I'm trying to point the phone at the Southern Hemisphere is x amount of juice lost for a phonecall I could be making to reach that new party location that I'm trying to map.

The problem is this: if you have to plug in / unplug based a home anchor location, you will usually never take the charger to work. But due to #2 you'll *sometimes* wish to break the habit and charge the phone halfway through the day to delay situation #1 till #2's timesteam. The problem is whether you'll ALWAYS remember setting the charger's-not-at-home mental location flag, and safely pull it from under your office desk and back to your home's bed where it belongs. Worse for your holiday weekends, and God forbid, vacation time. This wasn't resolved with 2 decades of laptops, and it's not about to get resolved in the days of every-growing displays with multi-core 3D environments with growing feature radio-frequency feature sets (NFC, the much-expected 5GHZ band on Wireless n, and any 4G bands)

Re:Fuck IOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38778931)

Uh, every phone except the iPhone charges off a standard micro-USB connector. Buy a second micro-USB cable for $5 (or really, iPhone charger cables aren't that much more expensive) and leave it at work. Problem solved.

Re:Fuck IOS (1)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 2 years ago | (#38779085)

/Disappointed with iPhone.

You're not disappointed with the iPhone, you're disappointed with Smartphones, and quite frankly you've just disabled most of the things that makes it smart to begin with.

Here's a novel thought, rather than buying a shiny phone with a beefy CPU, hardware acceleration, a phone which could change the way you work forever, why not buy a feature phone if battery life is your most important goal?

Here's another view. I have a Samsung Galaxy S. The battery lasts for a full day of (in my opinion) reasonably heavy use. A FULL DAY! The damn thing is more powerful than the laptop I had a few years ago, more useful as I can carry it everywhere and the battery life lasts about 4 times longer!

IT'S AMAZING and not a disappointment at all.

Re:Fuck IOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38778005)

Fuck iOS... because misery loves company. FTW

With Apple's silent permission? (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 2 years ago | (#38777497)

If Apple really wanted to stop jailbreaking, they'd just have to issue a required iOS update that patches the hole and cut off access for the older release, They don't do that. Instead, they allow the jailbreaks to happen and learn from what they develop such as teathering going from non-existent to paid to included.

Re:With Apple's silent permission? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38777557)

They do Patch and they DO block access to older releases. Any reflash/recovery of an iPhone hits Apple servers just for this reason... Do some homework. There are ways around this also, however...

Re:With Apple's silent permission? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38777603)

If Apple really wanted to stop jailbreaking, they'd extend provisioning portal access to people with free developer accounts. The only reason people jailbreak in the first place is so that they can run apps that aren't in the app store. (Okay, so some people do it to pirate, but they're in the minority.)

Re:With Apple's silent permission? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38777691)

We do it to customize the inner workings of the phone. Themes, animations, fonts, sounds, notifications, etc. Simply extending provisioning portal access to people with free developer accounts wont allow people to make software for the iPhone that does these things as these things aren't apps. They are modifications to the OS and GUI.

Re:With Apple's silent permission? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38777693)

Indeed. Apple allowing jailbreaking is much like MS allowing their operating system to be illegally copied by individuals, back in the 80s. In the end it will serve them.

Dualboot Android ICS / iOS on iPhone (3, Interesting)

muon-catalyzed (2483394) | more than 2 years ago | (#38777555)

I do not expect that anybody has done this yet, but it might be possible.., right?

Re:Dualboot Android ICS / iOS on iPhone (1)

DanTheManMS (1039636) | more than 2 years ago | (#38777599)

Maybe not dual-boot, but look into Open iBoot. Android on iPhone hardware has been done before.

Re:Dualboot Android ICS / iOS on iPhone (2)

Script_God (803563) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778353)

I was able to dual-boot Android on my iPhone 3G a year and a half ago. It was pretty bad, but it ... functioned.

iOS 5.0.2 update to be available on Tuesday! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38777565)

*NM*

Windows Release (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38777579)

http://www.iclarified.com/entries/index.php?caid=1&scid=25

Jailbreak for Windows? huh? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38777597)

Last I checked, Windows is not installed on iPhone. Why would there be a Windows jailbreak? This makes no sense.

Re:Jailbreak for Windows? huh? (0)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38777681)

Why would there be a Windows jailbreak?

You'll need one once Microsoft pushes 'secure boot' on all Windows systems.

Re:Jailbreak for Windows? huh? (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778087)

They mean the external system you need to jailbreak the iOS system.

Great accomplishment, but only temporary (4, Informative)

DanTheManMS (1039636) | more than 2 years ago | (#38777621)

It's great that they managed to extend the Corona jailbreak to the iPhone 4S. But unfortunately, very soon all their hard work will be rendered useless once iOS 5.1 hits release. As 5.1 is already in the beta-testing stage, there's only a window of a few weeks before it drops. Unlike iOS 4 and below, there is currently no way to downgrade any iPhone to an earlier version of iOS5. The SHSH method does not work anymore because of something new on Apple's end (I believe involving something called an "AP Ticket" but I honestly haven't looked into it very deeply).

The point is, if you want to make use of this jailbreak, you must go to iOS 5.0.1 RIGHT NOW and jailbreak or you won't get another chance until 5.1 is hacked, which is of course never guaranteed.

Re:Great accomplishment, but only temporary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38778239)

iOS 5? Wonderful. Another update that doesn't give my 3G any useful new features but does slow it down even more, like iOS 4 did.

Dear Apple,
Kindly explain why you think my 3G isn't powerful enough to do something simple like custom SMS alerts when my HTCs and Sony-Ericssons from over 7 years ago weren't so hampered?

Re:Great accomplishment, but only temporary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38778367)

Because it's Apple.

What further explanation do you need?

Re:Great accomplishment, but only temporary (1)

yuhong (1378501) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778539)

Last release for 3G was 4.2.1.

Re:Great accomplishment, but only temporary (1)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778375)

you must go to iOS 5.0.1 RIGHT NOW and jailbreak or you won't get another chance until 5.1 is hacked

You could also keep 5.0.1 for as long as necessary, reject the 5.1 upgrade, and jailbreak when you wish. No hurry.

Re:Great accomplishment, but only temporary (1)

Pausanias (681077) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778567)

The problem is that if you install something that makes your phone unstable, and need a restore, you will also lose your jailbreak when you restore. This wasn't true in previous jailbreaks.

Re:Great accomplishment, but only temporary (1)

anethema (99553) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778639)

As I replied before you can restore as many times as you like with pre-A5 devices like the iPhone 4, even in iOS5. Just a bit of a new procedure.

Re:Great accomplishment, but only temporary (1)

Pausanias (681077) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778685)

Pre-A5 isn't what this news item or Absinthe is all about. The news item is about the A5 devices, which it will not be possible to downgrade once iOS 5.1 is made live. Yes, you can downgrade and untether A4 devices, but that is old news from December.

So one mistake and your jailbreak is gone for good, probably.

There isn't any guarantee that this will be remedied but I believe the jailbreakers make a living out of donations and expensive tweaks and such, and so they will eventually release some sort of tool to make downgrades possible on A5 devices.

The bigger problem is look how long it took them to find the 5.0.1 jailbreak. What will happen when the next iPhone is released? Will it be completely locked down?

Re:Great accomplishment, but only temporary (1)

MrCrassic (994046) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778585)

You can still downgrade to pre-iOS 5 releases if you have SHSH blobs saved for those revisions. Downgrading has been rendered "impossible" because the APticket used to verify ipsw's is now generated randomly instead of being solely comprised of data from the phone's ECID and firmware version.

More info here [iphone-dev.org] .

Sent from my easily jailbroken Android tablet.

Re:Great accomplishment, but only temporary (1)

anethema (99553) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778637)

Actually for any of the pre-A5 devices this is not true. They have figured out a way to save the ticket AND shsh blobs and stitch them into your firmware file so you can flash back to it any time you'd like.

A5 devices do not have any bootrom level exploits though so this is not possible. You basically have to get 5.0.1 going now before 5.1 comes out. If not you will be stuck with 5.1.

BTW A5 devices are iPad 2 and iPhone 4S

Mod me down all you like,.. (2, Insightful)

AbRASiON (589899) | more than 2 years ago | (#38777837)

but goddamn do news posts like this make me â(TM)¥ my Galaxy S2, I owned 3 iphones, never again - EVER.

Re:Mod me down all you like,.. (1)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 2 years ago | (#38779087)

make you what?

Windows is Already Supported (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38778041)

...just not with a GUI tool. cinject.exe works fine in windows. I know because I'm posting this on an iPad 2 broken on Windows 7. And that was hours and hours before this story hit. Bad editors.

Untethered? (0)

MichaelJ (140077) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778271)

How is this an untethered jailbreak when step 4 is to connect via USB cable?

Re:Untethered? (2)

geekdoc (672760) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778311)

Untethered means you don't need a USB connection to boot the phone, not that you don't need one to install the jailbreak.

Re:Untethered? (1)

MichaelJ (140077) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778947)

Thx for the clarification.

Re:Untethered? (1)

BlackThorne_DK (688564) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778397)

You don't need to plug it back in, every time you reboot it afterwards, just the one time.

Re:Untethered? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38778545)

How is this an untethered jailbreak when step 4 is to connect via USB cable?

The same way that 'get root' doesn't mean the same thing as 'jailbreak'. The people involved are retards.

This story ... (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778665)

... is exactly why you can't meaningfully compare jailbreak on Android devices that's there by design (e.g. Nexus, or most Samsung phones) to one on iOS where, every time there's an OS update, you have to wait and hope that someone will find an exploit to squeeze through.

Unlock (1)

phorm (591458) | more than 2 years ago | (#38778823)

So once it's been jailbroken, does anyone know what the status of unlocking is for the 4S?
I believe that there have already been successful IOS5 unlocks for earlier phones, will they still work on the 4S now that it's jailbroken?

Some people jailbreak to just get 3rd-party apps etc, but a lot of people do so to install the unlock and NOT be chained in yet another way to a given carrier.

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