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Indonesian Man Faces Five Years For Atheist Facebook Post

samzenpus posted about 2 years ago | from the unlike-this dept.

Censorship 907

An anonymous reader writes "31-year-old Alexander Aan faces a maximum prison sentence of five years for posting 'God does not exist' on Facebook. The civil servant was attacked and beaten by an angry mob of dozens who entered his government office at the Dharmasraya Development Planning Board on Wednesday. The Indonesian man was taken into protective police custody Friday since he was afraid of further physical assault."

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He deserves it (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38782967)

This is what you get for using Facebook. I hope it's not too late for all the other Facebook users to learn.

Re:He deserves it (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38783001)

This is what you get with religious rule.

Re:He deserves it (5, Insightful)

FreeCoder (2558096) | about 2 years ago | (#38783059)

This is true for most of USA too. While you probably won't get jailed for saying such, there are just as ridiculous laws and customs based on Christianity, especially compared to other more saner countries. Especially about gay marriage and abortion.

Re:He deserves it (3, Insightful)

rrohbeck (944847) | about 2 years ago | (#38783137)

+1 just my thought.
There's only a quantitative difference between the US and Indonesia. In many areas of the US you can not be elected to public office if you won't swear on the Bible.

Re:He deserves it (2, Insightful)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | about 2 years ago | (#38783163)

You probably haven't lived in Indonesia, have you?

Re:He deserves it (2)

Thing 1 (178996) | about 2 years ago | (#38783279)

<holding hand on dead tree> "Fuck!"

Re:He deserves it (5, Informative)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 2 years ago | (#38783411)

Actually, not quite true. Many state constitutions do specifically require that only Christians can hold public office (And some define Christian in such a way as to exclude denominations unpopular at the time of writing), but there was a supreme court case years ago which ruled that these aspects of the constitutions are incompatible with the first amendment to the US constitution - and the US constitution overrules state constitutions.

abortion is legitimate question (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38783169)

In the case of abortion, when does an embryo switch from being a mass of cells, to a baby? In the case of many american christians, it is when the sperm fertilizes the egg. In many cases, the pro abortion argument is that it is the woman's body, and she can do whatever she wants with it. The pro abortion groups could be more constructive by trying to negotiate towards a time or state that the government will recognize that an embryo switches to being a baby.

Re:abortion is legitimate question (3, Informative)

samkass (174571) | about 2 years ago | (#38783265)

The pro abortion groups could be more constructive by trying to negotiate towards a time or state that the government will recognize that an embryo switches to being a baby.

I don't know anyone who is "pro abortion", but plenty who are "pro choice". Some alternatives have been proposed: pre-conception (Catholic), conception (fundamentalist/protestant), second trimester (Roe v. Wade), "Can survive outside the womb" (some medical definitions), or even "one month after birth" (Jewish law in Jesus' time which he didn't seem to have a problem with).

Re:abortion is legitimate question (5, Interesting)

walshy007 (906710) | about 2 years ago | (#38783393)

I don't know anyone who is "pro abortion", but plenty who are "pro choice".

Pro life and pro choice are just market speak, the real issue is for or against the ability of women to legally have abortions. People who use pro life and pro choice are attempting to change the framing [wikipedia.org] in order to get people on their side.

imho, people should be blunt about a topic, speaking as eloquently as possible about their real point without trying to dodge things. This is not a dig at you, but at oh so many idealists that refuse to do so.

Re:abortion is legitimate question (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38783415)

"one month after birth" (Jewish law in Jesus' time which he didn't seem to have a problem with).

I have it on good account that in regards to this particular issue, He actually commented, "Thank God I was hidden in a stable for a while, being a bastard son, and all that. Hell, even legitimate babies can be killed off in the first month...."

Through the ages, Jesus has been accused of many things, including whether or not He even existed. Apparently, He was crucified because of some accusations.
I'm not sure if He was ever accused of being brief, and I'm sure He may have commented on many things, but He only lived for 33 years.
Many folks can't even agree on the merit of the current documentation, and you're pointing out something else He missed commenting on?

Carry on with the hate, tho'

Re:abortion is legitimate question (2)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 2 years ago | (#38783399)

It's more a difference in how the situation is looked at. The pro-choicers see humanity as a matter of some type of standards. They can't agree on what it is that makes a human for moral purposes, though most would point to something about the brain, but they do agree there is *something* physical that makes humans different from other animals and thus worthy of protection under the law and a right to life. The pro-lifers though see humans as magic - to them, it isn't about the anatomy of the brain or standards of mental ability. It's magic. Humans are inherently, supernaturally special - and the moment that sperm meets egg, a new soul is created. There is little that two camps like that can say to each other - they have trouble just comprehending each other.

Re:He deserves it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38783171)

Actually, nothing remotely similar to this ever happens under American law.

Re:He deserves it (5, Informative)

Joce640k (829181) | about 2 years ago | (#38783235)

While you probably won't get jailed for saying such...

...you can still get the Christian mob to lynch you, eg. Jessica Ahlquist [blogspot.com]

Re:He deserves it (-1)

Mashiki (184564) | about 2 years ago | (#38783395)

And the atheist mob will do it to you if you're religious at all? It's not hard to see the proof on the other side, to find that both are complicit.

Re:He deserves it (2)

Chrisq (894406) | about 2 years ago | (#38783433)

While you probably won't get jailed for saying such...

...you can still get the Christian mob to lynch you, eg. Jessica Ahlquist [blogspot.com]

The thing is the Muslim lynch squad is literally a lynch squad and they are obeying their law.

Please stop moderating shills up (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38783307)

FreeCoder is a shill.

By whoring like this for modpoints, you only make it easier for him to get a good karma and shill in technology topics.

Re:He deserves it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38783179)

This is what you get for living in a primitive third-world country.

Re:He deserves it (4, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 2 years ago | (#38783249)

This is what you get for living in a primitive third-world country.

It happened in Indonesia, not the United States.

Re:He deserves it (1)

Mashiki (184564) | about 2 years ago | (#38783413)

So, when those of us told people that Egypt was going to slide into an islamist theocracy and folks called us nutters...

I'm just shocked (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38782973)

that I don't get beaten for getting the first post so much

God does not exist (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38782977)

Where is your god now?

Re:God does not exist (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38783023)

He doesn't exi^NO CARRIER

Re:God does not exist (1)

jo42 (227475) | about 2 years ago | (#38783275)

"He" is pining for the fjords...

Re:God does not exist (3, Interesting)

realityimpaired (1668397) | about 2 years ago | (#38783363)

Assuming "he" exists, he probably has better things to do with his time than worry about some carbon-based life form on one of billions of planets in one of billions of solar systems that makes up "creation"....

Personally, I like the pagan version of it... yes, gods exist, no they're not omnipotent, they're certainly not perfect, and Yahweh is a self-absorbed twat with delusions of adequacy. The best analogy I ever heard was that he's like the cheerleaders in high school... petty, vindictive, cliquish, and vain.

Re:God does not exist (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38783429)

Where is your god now?

He is weeping over the behaviour of the religious.

This is terrible (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38782987)

It's one thing persecuting people for their religion but persecuting atheists is going too far.

Re:This is terrible (-1, Flamebait)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 2 years ago | (#38783151)

It's one thing persecuting people for their religion but persecuting atheists is going too far.

Exactly, Indonesia is getting almost as bad as the Bible Belt.

Re:This is terrible (-1, Flamebait)

Penguinisto (415985) | about 2 years ago | (#38783159)

Welcome to Sharia Law made official.

(and at the rate things are going viz. immigration, welcome to Europe c. 2112).

OMG! REALLY! (4, Funny)

denzacar (181829) | about 2 years ago | (#38783261)

Welcome to Sharia Law made official.

(and at the rate things are going viz. immigration, welcome to Europe c. 2112).

100 years from now Europe may be officially under Sharia Law?
Now that's a cause for alarm and quick and resolute action if I ever saw one.
We have only 100 years to come up with a solution - and these days 100 years ain't what it used to be.

Re:This is terrible (5, Insightful)

Egg Sniper (647211) | about 2 years ago | (#38783223)

It's one thing persecuting people for their religion but persecuting atheists is going too far.

A small minority of 'different' people in your community often makes people uncomfortable when part of the culture is professing just how right and good it is to agree and identify with the majority. When that minority attempts to become vocal they are by definition wrong and therefore it is justifiable to punish them. If all you have to prove that you're living your life correctly is the assertion by yourself and those around you that it is so any argument against what you believe is dangerous. Certainly authority figures (from politicians to parents) won't allow dissenting opinions to spread, like some horrible disease.

People aren't persecuted for their religion. They are persecuted because their religion (or ethnicity or social status or etc.) is different from the majority of those around them. Group-think and ignorance will attack what it doesn't understand or can't control in whatever form it takes.

One could argue that, historically, atheism is the most persecuted belief system still in practice. It would explain the relatively small proportion of the population that atheism makes up, as well as why that small proportion is spread throughout the world with no great central region to call home.

Re:This is terrible (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38783289)

"They are persecuted because their religion is different..." thus they are persecuted for their religion!

Call me jaded (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38782993)

But after all this SOPA, NDAA nonsense, seeing that guys who want to ban man forms of birth control intentionally (Santorum) and may not realize they are going to (everyone else through Pesonhood movement support), the U.S.'s declining science standards, etc. I have stopped being glad I don't live in countries that this happens in. I now wonder how long before this happens here.

Nothing like a beating to make a believer. (4, Insightful)

roman_mir (125474) | about 2 years ago | (#38782999)

31-year-old Alexander Aan faces a maximum prison sentence of five years for posting âoeGod does not existâ on Facebook. The civil servant was attacked and beaten by an angry mob of dozens who entered his government office at the Dharmasraya Development Planning Board on Wednesday. The Indonesian man was taken into protective police custody Friday since he was afraid of further physical assault.

The posting was made on a Facebook Page titled Ateis Minang (Minang Atheist), which Aan created. At the time of writing, it had over 1,700 Likes. Aanâ(TM)s posting has been removed, but supporters on the Page are urging police to release him.

I wonder if they were trying to make a believer out of him or just needed to re-assure themselves that they are right and he is wrong. Theirs must be a merciful god, a god of great compassion.

Atheism is a violation of Indonesian law under the founding principles of the country. Indonesia, the worldâ(TM)s most populous Muslim nation, recognises the right to practice six religions in total: Islam, Protestant, Catholic, Hindu, Buddhism and Confucianism. Atheism is, however, illegal. According to Indonesian criminal law, anyone who tries to stop others believing in a faith could face up to five years in jail for blasphemy.

- further proving that governments are inherently evil. [slashdot.org]

Re:Nothing like a beating to make a believer. (4, Interesting)

vlm (69642) | about 2 years ago | (#38783053)

Indonesia ... recognises the right to practice six religions ... Buddhism ... Atheism is, however, illegal.

Isn't this kind of contradictory?

Re:Nothing like a beating to make a believer. (1)

FreeCoder (2558096) | about 2 years ago | (#38783099)

I don't see how. The laws aren't saying that you don't need to believe in god (Buddhism doesn't have one), but you just cannot stop others believing in their religion. Note that he isn't promoting Buddhism, but Atheism:

The posting was made on a Facebook Page titled Ateis Minang (Minang Atheist), which Aan created.

Re:Nothing like a beating to make a believer. (1)

roman_mir (125474) | about 2 years ago | (#38783155)

OK, so you see somebody proclaiming that they don't believe in any god being dangerous to other 'believers', so that they would stop believing if one person says he doesn't believe?

So it's a confidence issue then you think?

Re:Nothing like a beating to make a believer. (2, Insightful)

roman_mir (125474) | about 2 years ago | (#38783101)

When was the last time that religious followers needed a self-consistent, non-contradictory, logical message?

Besides, Buddhism does teach bizarre things about rebirth and such, and as an atheist I don't understand how that makes any sense at all.

Re:Nothing like a beating to make a believer. (2)

FreeCoder (2558096) | about 2 years ago | (#38783147)

However, in general Buddhism (especially Theravada Buddhism) is much saner "religion" compared to Christianity and others. It is quite close to Atheism, and for example doesn't believe in gods. It's more like good guide for life, and promotes the idea of own mind. It also believes that Buddha only created the religion and he was a normal, living guy.

Re:Nothing like a beating to make a believer. (2)

roman_mir (125474) | about 2 years ago | (#38783189)

However Buddhism is not just a philosophy, like a guide to a healthy life-style, because it has teachings about 'soul' and such, which again, make no sense to me.

Obviously I can accept somebody practising Buddhism because they find it useful for themselves somehow, but I see it as a religion, not just as some form of exercise that's simply good for one's health. I mean souls and karma? :) In real life, not on /. ?

Re:Nothing like a beating to make a believer. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38783427)

However Buddhism is not just a philosophy, like a guide to a healthy life-style, because it has teachings about 'soul' and such, which again, make no sense to me.

Actually Buddhism teaches that we do NOT have souls.

More evidence that any statement made by roman_mir is guaranteed to be wrong.

Re:Nothing like a beating to make a believer. (1)

vlm (69642) | about 2 years ago | (#38783165)

Besides, Buddhism does teach bizarre things about rebirth and such, and as an atheist I don't understand how that makes any sense at all.

I was thinking of Stephen Batchelor and his books about sort-of-secular Buddhism ... you'd probably like some of his books, I do. Quoting his "confessions of an buddhist atheist" would appear to be completely unclear under their law.

Re:Nothing like a beating to make a believer. (2, Interesting)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | about 2 years ago | (#38783187)

I dunno... pretty much every tough-minded Christian ever?

You'll be very hard pressed to pose a question which Christian theologians haven't come to grips with over the past 1900 years. You may challenge their premises, but you're very unlikely to identify an internal inconsistency for which no resolution has been proposed.

There are plenty of people who have poor justification for even their accurate beliefs, including for mathematics and physics. It would be a mistake to dismiss sampling theory just because someone on Fox News made a dumb statistical inference. If you really want to know the truth about a religion, you'll need to dig deeper than just knocking down persons who pose poor arguments for it.

Re:Nothing like a beating to make a believer. (4, Insightful)

roman_mir (125474) | about 2 years ago | (#38783311)

What do you mean? Like the messages in the bibles are somehow self-consistent? The old and the new testaments? What are abominations? The entire creation mythology? Noah's arc? Miracles? Bizarre ideas on what is salvation and why it's needed? Is salvation really about Jesus or is it about moral codes? Is it about doing something or just believing in something?

How about the entire idea of confessions and getting forgiveness from church workers for pretty much any transgression, including murder? Mass murder?

Virgin birth. Resurrection. Incarnation. ONE god or three? Believing in things that don't have any actual proof of any kind, believing in things that are shown false by science, justifying continuation of believing even when proven false.

Faith does not require logic and it does not require consistency, it certainly does not require understanding falsifiability or requiring it.

Faith in fact requires complete abandonment of principles by which we make discoveries and by which we change our circumstance, and that's what faith is SUPPOSED to be, because if it was possible to PROVE a god, it wouldn't require faith.

And if god requires faith without any proof, and if somehow proof can be obtained, then isn't the purpose of having faith defeated then? And doesn't it mean in religion that in fact proof can never exist (and in science we know it cannot exist, because goalposts can never be reached, and proving a negative is not exactly what we can do).

Anyway, I am not trying to convince anybody in anything in terms of believing or not believing here, that's not the purpose of the story though it's easy to degenerate this story into that kind of a discussion.

I suggest you don't do that, stay on topic, and the topic is: government is evil and government mixing up with religion is even more evil and individual will be crashed by government that takes away power of choices from individual.

Of-course in all societies there are orthodox believers, and some of them in this story came to beat up this poor shmuck, who actually worked for the government apparently, but didn't understand the law there.

Re:Nothing like a beating to make a believer. (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | about 2 years ago | (#38783345)

ONE god or three?

Actually, the widely accepted (but completely nonsensical) doctrine of "one God in three parts, each of which is equal to the whole" has probably done more for world peace than anything else Christianity teaches. Before the matter was "settled" people were busy killing each other over the monotheism/tritheism debate. Granted, they would not have been killing each other at all had Christianity not spread in the first place, but at least the Church managed to correct the problem before nuclear weapons were discovered.

Re:Nothing like a beating to make a believer. (2)

roman_mir (125474) | about 2 years ago | (#38783369)

Actually, the widely accepted (but completely nonsensical) doctrine of "one God in three parts, each of which is equal to the whole"

- I have no idea what that means, but that's part of the bizarre internal inconsistency that the believers just don't see as such.

Re:Nothing like a beating to make a believer. (0)

artor3 (1344997) | about 2 years ago | (#38783419)

Anyway, I am not trying to convince anybody in anything in terms of believing or not believing here, that's not the purpose of the story though it's easy to degenerate this story into that kind of a discussion.

I suggest you don't do that, stay on topic, and the topic is...

You are the one who went off-topic with the anti-religion flamebait, by asking "When was the last time that religious followers needed a self-consistent, non-contradictory, logical message?"

The GP responded by pointing out that many people think their philosophies through to make sure their beliefs are self-consistent, non-contradictory (which is redundant) and logical. Even atheists ought to do the same, and often don't, e.g. believing in an entirely material universe and also believing in free will, or believing that torture is bad when other countries do it but okay when yours does.

So please, take your own advice, and focus on the "forcing your beliefs on others is bad" bit, instead of trying to show off how you're clearly superior to all those other billions of people.

Re:Nothing like a beating to make a believer. (1)

The Askylist (2488908) | about 2 years ago | (#38783331)

It's not particular religions that a consistent atheist has an issue with (and you are correct that various theologians have jumped through several hoops to justify attempts to believe in the unnecessary and the unlikely), but the whole idea of a God or Gods who exist and serve any purpose whatsoever other than as a poor explanation for natural phenomena.

I have yet to see any argument for religious belief that does not break down into either a need for meaning or a need for servitude - neither of which satisfy me in the least, and neither of which would persuade me that there exists something for which there is no evidence and no need.

However, when in Indonesia or Rome, one should at least respect the feelings of those who wield more force than you, and refrain from pointing out that their beliefs are stupid. We are lucky to live in places where such things are allowed, though even in Britain poking fun at religion was mooted by our previous government as something to be made illegal.

Re:Nothing like a beating to make a believer. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38783389)

Funny. Mod parent up as such. :)

Re:Nothing like a beating to make a believer. (2)

ilsaloving (1534307) | about 2 years ago | (#38783103)

I fail to follow the leap in logic you made. Gov't is nothing more than 'garbage in, garbage out'. It's the people that made the laws, and it's the religion that people believe in that is dictating what laws are created.

I see this as just more evidence that institutionalized religion is the evil here.

Re:Nothing like a beating to make a believer. (1)

roman_mir (125474) | about 2 years ago | (#38783135)

Gov't is inherently evil because (as you'd find in the linked comments, that have other links to other comments), government has legitimacy under the law, so what it does is perceived as legitimate and lawful, which is why whatever it does is so final and detrimental to an individual.

So if government sets a law that contradicts individual liberty (like freedom of religion or in this case of not having a religion and needing actual proof of some deity's existence), then the evil here is the power that the government has over the individual, regardless of what exactly that power is taking away form individual. Just the mere fact that the collective can trump the individual is the evil part of any government. In this case the religion is part of what government represents, and so the evil is combined from what normally the evil secular government would contain plus what evil religions bring to the table, and they bring quite a bag full of evil with them.

Re:Nothing like a beating to make a believer. (2, Interesting)

SlippyToad (240532) | about 2 years ago | (#38783149)

I am not sure how religious bigotry proves your thesis that government is inherently illegal.

Howeer, as I often say to people who hate government (usually for no coherent reason), you are welcome to try the alternative. It's called feudalism, and it will develop wherever nobody is in charge.

Ignoring this is retarded, and it is what stupid fucking people without a real education do.

Re:Nothing like a beating to make a believer. (2)

roman_mir (125474) | about 2 years ago | (#38783353)

Maybe you should follow the links in the comment (there are further links), but the point is not to abolish government, the point is to set the law above government in a way that it could not be circumvented.

The law above the government is Constitution (in USA at least), and it is completely abandoned. Suggesting that the choices are: what you have in USA and feudalism is stupid. How about: what you have in USA now and what you should have in USA - government that follows the law that is set above it exactly to protect individuals from being crashed by the government that becomes too powerful as it keeps taking away your liberties against the law that the Constitution is?

Re:Nothing like a beating to make a believer. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38783211)

It comes down to this: when your strongly held position is actually so weak that it cannot stand up to debate you react with curses and physical violence. Basically an angry mob of people who are afraid that their beliefs cannot stand up to scrutiny or debate. It sucks, but unfortunately it is human nature - especially in places that don't have strong societal structures in place to prevent it. I can't imagine beating some poor person whose beliefs differ from mine. They may be wrong, I may be wrong - who knows. But at least my beliefs are such that I don't fear examining or debating them. These guys? Not so much.

Re:Nothing like a beating to make a believer. (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 2 years ago | (#38783443)

You missed an option: They might be trying to make an example of him in order to ensure any other atheists know to keep quiet and never speak about their disbelief.

A fine example of moderate islam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38783007)

That man was clearly guilty of hate crime and islamophobia.

His defense strategy should be ... (5, Funny)

tomhudson (43916) | about 2 years ago | (#38783011)

"The devil made me do it!"

Yet another 3rd world reaction (4, Funny)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | about 2 years ago | (#38783013)

Yet another 3rd world reaction to the eternal pornographic issue - my deity is larger than yours.

Re:Yet another 3rd world reaction (5, Insightful)

RyanFenton (230700) | about 2 years ago | (#38783105)

Yet another 3rd world reaction to the eternal pornographic issue - my deity is larger than yours.

Reminds me of one of my favorite Carl Sagan quotes:

How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, 'This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant'? Instead they say, 'No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way.' A religion, old or new, that stressed the magnificence of the Universe as revealed by modern science might be able to draw forth reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by the conventional faiths.

Even the religions with science in the name ("Christian Science" and "Scientology") are profoundly against freedom of inquiry, except where it is used to glorify their mythology. This story kind of backs up the whole "our god is a little god, we must coddle it" approach.

Ryan Fenton

Re:Yet another 3rd world reaction (3, Interesting)

Penguinisto (415985) | about 2 years ago | (#38783267)

Sorry, but Sagan turned out to be, well, wrong:

Pope John Paul II - "Faith can never conflict with reason" [caltech.edu]
an interview with the gent who runs the Vatican Observatory [msn.com]
Why Catholics Like Einstein [columbia.edu]
A small peek into the whole controversy [wikipedia.org]
a bit of insight [firstthings.com]

Everyone points at Galileo (quite a few centuries back) and screams, but turns a blind eye towards everything else that's been going on ever since.

Re:Yet another 3rd world reaction (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38783401)

We'll stop pointing at Galileo when the pope admit's he was wrong.

Re:Yet another 3rd world reaction (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 2 years ago | (#38783313)

Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a god superior to themselves. Most gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.

Heinlein

But remember (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38783015)

It's America that's REALLY evil! Bring on the moral relavists!

The future is already here (2, Interesting)

vlm (69642) | about 2 years ago | (#38783021)

The future is already here, its just unevenly distributed. This will be coming to the USA soon, although with christian PR, its just not here yet. Give it time.

Also the guy is an idiot. Don't just make a statement, issue a challenge, like "If god existed he would strike me with lightning". That makes for a much more entertaining court trial.

Re:The future is already here (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38783057)

"If God existed, he would teach you compassion." Seriously, play to win.

Re:The future is already here (1)

vlm (69642) | about 2 years ago | (#38783107)

"If God existed, he would teach you compassion." Seriously, play to win.

Why post that as AC? That's freaking brilliant. Would it be an improvement on yours to suggest he would teach tolerance or forgiveness?

Re:The future is already here (1)

vlm (69642) | about 2 years ago | (#38783113)

"If God existed, he would teach you compassion." Seriously, play to win.

Why post that as AC?

Oh wait I just figured it out, he lives in freaking Indonesia. That makes sense now.

Todays witchhunts... (3, Insightful)

MindPrison (864299) | about 2 years ago | (#38783049)

...are on the "non-believers".

Religion is the most dangerous thing facing our population, not overpopulation. They all claim to be peaceful, but criticize them - and you'll see their true nature.

... are reversed into tomorrows witch hunts (3, Insightful)

Corbets (169101) | about 2 years ago | (#38783115)

...are on the "non-believers".

Religion is the most dangerous thing facing our population, not overpopulation. They all claim to be peaceful, but criticize them - and you'll see their true nature.

Do you realize that you're the first step on a dangerous road? Your generalizations will lead to believers being the next group hunted. I'm an atheist myself, but stating that religion is the most dangerous problem faced by society is both ridiculously naive and dangerous. There are believers who are a problem, but that does not mean that all religious types are nut cases.

Re:... Not really...but... (3, Insightful)

MindPrison (864299) | about 2 years ago | (#38783191)

Reverse psychology - you're right, it's equally dangerous to be pointing fingers at a minority, but religion is far from minority, in fact - it's directly responsible for wars all over the planet.

I'm all okay with religion as long as people don't take it to extremes, but history has proven over and over again that if you chose belief over facts - aka religion vs science, then you're bound to lose, no matter what the outcome would be as long as the outcome is anything but peaceful.

And history shows - people DO take things to an extreme. You don't see a bunch of scientist raging out on the streets over some cartoon-drawings, burning down embassies, cars and peoples homes?

Re:... Not really...but... (2)

twotailakitsune (1229480) | about 2 years ago | (#38783341)

science does not have any morals. It can be taking to extremes too. That is why code of ethics are needed. The code CAN be based on things found in science (can something feel pain). That is what helps keep the same things from being done in the name of science.

Re:Todays witchhunts... (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | about 2 years ago | (#38783297)

They all claim to be peaceful, but criticize them - and you'll see their true nature.

Had you done your homework, you would have seen that this is untrue:

http://newsroom.lds.org/article/church-statement-regarding-the-book-of-mormon-broadway-musical [lds.org]

Did the Mormons condemn Parker and Stone? Did they condemn people for watching the show? No, they just shrugged it off and went on with their lives.

I am not even a Mormon, and I can see that they took the satire in good spirit. People can have religion without becoming violent in the face of criticism.

Hitchen vindicated. (4, Funny)

Galactic Dominator (944134) | about 2 years ago | (#38783063)

Christopher Hitchens title for his polemic piece on religion hardly have been phrased even better, although I'll give it a shot here.

God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything(Including Facebook).

Only goes to prove that god isn't real (3, Insightful)

Nyder (754090) | about 2 years ago | (#38783069)

when the religious people kill you because you say it.

Re:Only goes to prove that god isn't real (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38783121)

when the religious people kill you because you say it.

Either that, or maybe followers of Islam are just nutty.

Good (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38783077)

I wish more Christian bashing atheists would move to islamic Countries.

Re:Good (1)

pauljlucas (529435) | about 2 years ago | (#38783439)

I wish more Christian bashing atheists would move to islamic Countries.

Funny how alleged followers of Christ always seem to hold such views. Would Jesus condone the beating of anyone? Such comments are a prime example of the kind of Christians that should be bashed by atheists. All religions are a psychological disorder.

Anonymous Coward dosen't exist. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38783081)

Anontheists will be arrested and forced to lick goatse in jail.

Why does Indonesia want him watched? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38783083)

He needs to be looked after.

The real problem here (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38783085)

...is Islam. That religion has been a blight on humanity ever since it's founding. As with other religions, it began as a tool to get it's founder easy access to money, power, and women, but like religion always does, it spiraled out of control and this is what we end up with. For all the atrocities and violence Islam advocates I'm absolutely shocked that no one has the balls to stand up and condemn it for what it is: a repressive political ideology that seeks to propagate itself to the ends of the earth and utterly dominate the lives of all who are forced to live under it. Islam is nothing more than a brutal 6th century tribal religion infused with the culture of its day that has no place in the modern world. Christianity used to be like this in the dark ages, and that trend was only halted with the rise of secular government.

I'm posting AC because people feel some need to justify Islam for some reason and blame the poster for calling a spade a spade. I have no use for any religion at all.

Re:The real problem here (5, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 2 years ago | (#38783207)

The problem is that Islamic civilization was not always as you describe, nor is it even now. At one time, many Islamic societies were far more advanced and open than their Western European counterparts. What you're saying makes about as much sense as condemning Christianity based on what you find wrong in Catholicism.

Re:The real problem here (1)

amanicdroid (1822516) | about 2 years ago | (#38783319)

First of all: many people have had the balls to stand up and say that.

Secondly, many have had the balls to say it while not hiding their face as an anonymous coward merely tossing gasoline on the Slashdot bonfire.

All your God are belong to us! (1)

kawabago (551139) | about 2 years ago | (#38783093)

The state cannot enforce faith.

This for Telling the Truth (3, Insightful)

fsharp (617264) | about 2 years ago | (#38783097)

All the guy did was tell the truth. One day maybe the world will get over believing in something created by folks attempting to explain the world around them. Doubtful in a few hundred lifetimes, but we can dream.

To anybody who claims "God wants me to do this!" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38783141)

I reply "no, it's the devil who wants you to do that. And you fell for it."

note to self (1)

mynicknamewasused (962741) | about 2 years ago | (#38783173)

Note to self: don't travel there.

Re:note to self (2)

Archon-X (264195) | about 2 years ago | (#38783335)

Yeah, and you'd miss out on a stunning country and amazing people.

Actually - stay at home. The less jaded people fucking it up for other people, the better.

Have anyone heard of a person getting beat up for (1)

Vitriol+Angst (458300) | about 2 years ago | (#38783185)

... not believing in Gravity?

The less proof someone has of a strongly held belief, the more vigorously they defend it.

>> If God wanted everyone to believe in him with merely faith, he wouldn't have put Religion in the hands of people who club to death a person who doesn't believe -- he'd put Religion in the hands of people who were so good and inspiring, that everyone would be drawn to them.

Either there is no God, or He just doesn't care to interfere with the messengers -- which means these religious vigilantes are screwed either way.

Re:Have anyone heard of a person getting beat up f (1)

artor3 (1344997) | about 2 years ago | (#38783295)

I think I'd probably want to punch someone who refused to believe in gravity.

Re:Have anyone heard of a person getting beat up f (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | about 2 years ago | (#38783435)

If God wanted everyone to believe in him with merely faith...

...He would have created a world where not believing was physically impossible. The fact that there are so many religions and that people need to be taught what to believe by the people around them is proof that either:

  1. There are no deities (this is what I would bet the rent on)
  2. Whatever deities are out there do not really care about what human beings believe.

Either way, beating and imprisoning someone for not believing is both morally outrageous and completely unjustified.

I could have spoken to God. (2)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | about 2 years ago | (#38783209)

In the southern India in the state of Tamil Nadu atheistic parties gained lots of ground in the 1960s. ( Even now all the dominant parties there eulogize a noted atheist, but the parties themselves have become more tolerant towards theism). One of the fanatical members of this atheistic party named his son "God Does not Exist" (kadavul-illai in the local language). Name was found to be too long for the liking of his teachers and classmates. So they shortened it to "God" (kadavul). So, yes, I could have spoken to God, if I had gone to that school. God flunked eighth grade and dropped out of school, if I remember it right.

Religious Freedom (4, Informative)

MarkvW (1037596) | about 2 years ago | (#38783217)

For many people, religious freedom means the freedom to try to force your religion upon another person.

Religious people are scary... (1, Troll)

Mattsson (105422) | about 2 years ago | (#38783227)

Religious people are scary...

Just pick a religion from their list . . . (5, Interesting)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 2 years ago | (#38783273)

FTFA:

Indonesia, the world’s most populous Muslim nation, recognises the right to practice six religions in total: Islam, Protestant, Catholic, Hindu, Buddhism and Confucianism. Atheism is, however, illegal.

I'd go with Confucianism. If nobody can understand what he said, nobody can understand if you are practicing it or not.

If you live amongst a horde of unpredictable religious fanatics, it's best to keep your mouth shut.

My God told me so.

Justified... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38783305)

I think anyone who posts on facebook should face 5 years in prison.

It's important to internalize (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38783377)

All of the implications of the godless world. Like last week when Arfa what's-her-name died -- that's one less vagina to be used, and not a fuck was given by any supernatural entity.

Tragic.

If God existed, he could fight his own battles. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38783391)

I will never comprehend the "if you don't believe, I'll beat the shit out of you" mentality.

Re:If God existed, he could fight his own battles. (1)

Chrisq (894406) | about 2 years ago | (#38783447)

I will never comprehend the "if you don't believe, I'll beat the shit out of you" mentality.

Read the Qur'an it worked for Muhammad (piss be upon him)

the slashdot irony (1)

skydude_20 (307538) | about 2 years ago | (#38783409)

it so happens i'm seeing various religious/philosophy quotes at the bottom of slashdot at the moment...

Re:the slashdot irony (1)

skydude_20 (307538) | about 2 years ago | (#38783445)

i should add.. not news, not news that matters to nerds.. again slashdot going off the rails..
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