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NinjaVideo.net Founder Gets 14 Months

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the do-not-pass-go dept.

Piracy 239

angry tapir writes "A Virginia judge has sentenced Matthew David Howard Smith, a founder of the NinjaVideo.net website, to 14 months in prison, the U.S. Department of Justice announced Friday. Smith was indicted along with four others late last year. The DOJ charged that they illegally provided copyright-protected movies and TV programs for download from the NinjaVideo.net website. The site operated from February 2008 until authorities shut it down in June 2010."

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My mind is blown! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38787415)

The ninjas were actually.... pirates?!

Re:My mind is blown! (3, Funny)

Cryacin (657549) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787517)

No, they weren't actually ninjas, they were pirates DISGUISED as ninjas. I mean, who would expect a ninja to be a pirate? Fooled you now, didn't it?

Re:My mind is blown! (5, Informative)

lostthoughts54 (1696358) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787857)

had they been real ninjas, they would have never been found.

Re:My mind is blown! (2)

Tamran (1424955) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787973)

This could very well be the best first post EVER!

Re:My mind is blown! (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 2 years ago | (#38788233)

Wasn't there a chart someplace that talked about the correlation between pirates and climate change? If so, the weather patterns are gonna get VSF.

meanwhile: (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38787433)

The TSA's jack-booted goons can steal $40,000 (real money, not imaginary money) from your luggage and only get 6 months for it.

Re:meanwhile: (5, Informative)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787601)

Of course, they irradiate you and violate your civil rights as part of their job. Theft is rather inconsequential.

Re:meanwhile: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38787887)

I keep seeing your posts lately and I keep agreeing with them. You've got me listed as one of your Foes, curious what I might have said in the past to earn that. Signed, pclminion

Re:meanwhile: (5, Insightful)

reboot246 (623534) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787671)

The real thieves are elected. Congress makes the TSA look like pikers.

Throw them all out this November. If you recognize the name on the ballot, vote for the other guy.

Re:meanwhile: (5, Insightful)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 2 years ago | (#38788013)

$100 says that even if 100% of who is in office, flipped, it would not make a damned bit of diff.

people are people. the system allows people to join politics and get rich.

THAT is the problem.

nothing can be fixed until you fix that.

Re:meanwhile: (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 2 years ago | (#38788093)

It would take a few election of that, but eventually two things could happen (but not necessarily).

1) if the job is shorter, it will be less sought after by the power hungry.

2) eventually people that are not not going to take campaign money from big corporations in exchange for votes will make it in.

The most disturbing things about Chris Dodd to me are that he doesn't care about money from his voters, and that he thinks of it as a career.

The fact that huge unpopularity of a bill doesn't put his job at risk, but donations do is a little surprising to me.

Re:meanwhile: (2)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#38788115)

That's stupid. If you want to get ten coins face up, you don't flip them all every time and hope for the best.

Flailing about in a rage won't accomplish anything. The only way to make things better is to actually do your homework and vote for the best person you can find each time.

Re:meanwhile: (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38788245)

I have a problem then.

The guy running against the guy in office now is the son of the guy who was in the office before!

Damn it, why didn't I move to Nevada when I had the chance?

Re:meanwhile: (4, Insightful)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#38788343)

Throw them all out this November. If you recognize the name on the ballot, vote for the other guy.

Won't make a bit of difference as long as corporate money pays for our elections.

Who would ever say no to a corporation if they know that corporation can turn around and spend $100million on an ad campaign to destroy them, and do it anonymously?

We've had a coup and the corporations have taken over. Elections, congress, president...they're all just a reality TV show to keep the public occupied while the economy is looted.

Re:meanwhile: (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38787745)

So, what should be an issue dealt with in CIVIL court and result in some sort of a FINANCIAL reparation (at most) to the owner of the infringed copyrights is actually being punished about 400% more than someone who actually stole actual money and committed an actual CRIME. Fantastic.

Re:meanwhile: (3, Insightful)

hey! (33014) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787799)

The TSA's jack-booted goons can steal $40,000 (real money, not imaginary money) from your luggage and only get 6 months for it.

Oh buh-ruther. The TSA doesn't have that much style. They probably wear cheap Chinese made oxfords with laces that break. But they work for *us* at a pay rate set by *us* under laws passed by legislators *we* elected. We're too chicken to accept that flying has *some* risk; too cheap to do anything about it; and so mentally indolent we let government vendors set security priorities.

There's nothing outstandingly evil about a man who can't resist the temptation of pocketing a huge wad of unguarded cash that passes through his hands. The wickedness in our character is too petty for us to be served by genuine, glamorous evil (the SS in their jackboots and Hugo Boss designed uniforms). No, we get a mirror of our national character. We get *venality*.

Re:meanwhile: (4, Informative)

stephanruby (542433) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787995)

To be fair, in this case their prison sentences seem to be somewhat proportional to the money they made from the site.

The site made a total of $505,000 in ads and donations in the approximate 2+ years that it ran.
Smith received 14 months and made $172,387 (I assume this is the amount he made, because in the case of Dedemko, the amount Dedemko was ordered to pay was the same as the amount he was supposed to have made)
Hana received 22 months and I believe made $210,000
Dedemko made $58,004 (and won't get sentenced until Feb)
And as to the two or three other ninja-pirates, the articles don't really say.

In the case of the TSA agents, the take was $40,000, but we should assume that they probably split the money between themselves so it's probably more like each got $20,000 and then each was sentenced 6 months of prison (along with 5 years of probation). Now this is not to say that the TSA agents didn't steal a lot more on other days (they probably did). And this is not to say that those TSA agents didn't abuse the special privileges they were given (which in my mind makes it a lot worse). Also, the original $505,000 figure I quoted for the ninja video site is probably misleading as well, since a video site like that will have significant expenses for the hardware they're using and the bandwidth they were consuming each month.

So I still agree that the TSA agents got off easy compared to the ninja-pirates, but at least in this case, it doesn't seem like the judge just pulled imaginary numbers completely out of thin air. The ninja-pirates did make some real money from their venture (at least two of them did). And unlike a site like Megaupload, they copied and uploaded 100% of the infringing videos themselves.

Good (-1, Flamebait)

AmazingRuss (555076) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787451)

Thieves should rot in jail.

Re:Good (4, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787485)

Does that include the Universal Musical Group who have broken contracts, put up hundreds of MP3s on download services without consent of the artists and then have gone out of their way to obfuscate the revenue collected?

Re:Good (1)

h2oliu (38090) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787495)

Does that include the Universal Musical Group who have broken contracts, put up hundreds of MP3s on download services without consent of the artists and then have gone out of their way to obfuscate the revenue collected?

Sure.

Re:Good (1)

AmazingRuss (555076) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787779)

Yep, thieves are thieves. Were it up to me, they'd all be in jail.

Not into letting some go because others get away with it. That's toddler logic.

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38787877)

First of all, none group are "thieves" because copyright infringement is not theft. And selective enforcement can be much worse than no enforcement. We're not talking about some people randomly getting away with crimes, we're talking about laws being applied inequitably on the basis of connections and power.

Re:Good (2)

AmazingRuss (555076) | more than 2 years ago | (#38788019)

I knew one of you "it's not theft" language lawyers would show up. It's fucking theft. Period.

The guys at Megaupload made huge amounts of money facilitating theft. They flaunted it, lived like greedy mafia pigs, and here you are defending them.

As for the second point, that's just toddler logic. Some rich pricks get away with murder, rape, torture, and any number of other crimes. You want to stop prosecuting those crimes too?

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38788181)

What is the copyright infringer stealing, exactly? Electricity? Numbers? On the Internet, that's all "a copy of a movie" is.

Re:Good (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 2 years ago | (#38788221)

Way to change the subject. The case isnt about what UMG, North Korea, or Pol Pot has done, but about what the ninjavideos folks did.

Seriously, is this what passes for discourse now on slashdot?

and rapists should get more time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38787507)

and rapists should get more time

Re:and rapists should get more time (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38787697)

and rapists should get more time

If you really want to reduce crime, imprison all of the niggers.

Re:and rapists should get more time (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38787783)

Starting with your mom?

Re:Good (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38787789)

So a thieve is someone who buy's a dvd and share's it with a friend? or someone who watches a tv series (free ota cbs grey's antomy for example), records it and share's it with a friend? or uses tivo to record 1000's of shows and share them with some one who responds in kind in life and shares them to another friend and on and on? Would you consider a close relative a thieve because they were on a party, popped their cell to record a baby laughing and there was some copyrigthed music on the background? Would you put in jail someone who recorded your bbq and posted it online? recorded a theater movie with a shitty quality cellphone and posted it online for people whom would'nt ever go to the movies to watch it? ('cause no one who actually goes to the movies would watch that kind of s#!t)? WTF is wrong with you? .. if you were an intelligent human beeing, you'd consider asking the copyright holders to make the actual movies,music,images,tv series, etc.. available online for the same fee they charge at a timely manner which would definitely avoid all these "pirate sites" who only exist because the "holders" wont release for whicherver stupid reason they think is right what people want to see. Remember the prohibition? the only reason ppl kept "pirating" alcohol is because it was nowehere to be found.. once the prohibition stopped .. only very few kept "pirating" alcohol, the rest of the people went back to paying/buying their alcohol ... yeah.. i'm sure your (great)grandpa should ROT IN JAIL for drinking during the prohibition .. 'cause let me tell you..he did! .. so yes.. ever borrowed a book? watched a DVD on a friend's house? listened to someone elses ipod? ROOOOT IN JAAAAILLL TOO!!!!

Re:Good (1)

AmazingRuss (555076) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787847)

You sound like a thief.

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38788175)

And you sound like a moron.

most disappointing site ever (4, Funny)

noh8rz2 (2538714) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787459)

I have to say, when I visit a site entitled "ninjavideo.net" I have certain expectations... and those expectations were not met by what I received!

Re:most disappointing site ever (1)

Delarth799 (1839672) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787603)

I assume you wanted to see videos of actual ninjas instead of some kid running around pretending to be a ninja?

Meanwhile... (4, Insightful)

guspasho (941623) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787475)

In other news, no one involved in the massive fraud and graft that trashed the world economy has seen the inside of a jail cell.

Justice is served only to those who can afford it.

Re:Meanwhile... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38787567)

No, but Barney Frank has AIDS.

Re:Meanwhile... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38788149)

No, but Barney Frank has AIDS.

You should have let him wear a condom when he fucked you, then.

Re:Meanwhile... (4, Interesting)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787661)

Incorrect.

From Politifact

"The highest-profile convictions we found were from Taylor, Bean & Whitaker, which was a mortgage lending firm based not on Wall Street, but in Ocala, Fla. Its former chairman, Lee B. Farkas, was convicted of directing nearly $3 billion in fraud that put thousands out of work and contributed to the collapse of Colonial Bank. The collapse was the sixth-largest bank collapse in U.S. history. A judge sentenced Farkas to 30 years in prison on June 30, 2011. Several other executives associated with the firm pleaded guilty in related cases. "

you realize one CDO could be a billion dollars (5, Insightful)

decora (1710862) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787753)

the fraud perpetrated by Goldman Sachs, Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, Deutsche Bank, Citigroup, BNP Paribas, etc, in one single day dwarfed by a dozen fold the fraud this mortgage guy perpetrated in his whole career.

where do you think they sold all those fraudulent mortgages?

Re:you realize one CDO could be a billion dollars (1)

mc6809e (214243) | more than 2 years ago | (#38788035)

the fraud perpetrated by Goldman Sachs, Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, Deutsche Bank, Citigroup, BNP Paribas, etc, in one single day dwarfed by a dozen fold the fraud this mortgage guy perpetrated in his whole career.

where do you think they sold all those fraudulent mortgages?

  Lehman et al aren't ratings agencies. It was the ratings agencies that vouched for those mortgages. Of course Lehman et al didn't trust those ratings and shorted most of the paper making billions. But they didn't originate the mortgages. It was lending agents and applicants that committed the fraud.

Re:Meanwhile... (2)

X.25 (255792) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787969)

Incorrect.

From Politifact...

Yes, "Taylor, Bean & Whitaker" are the ones who orchestrated and executed the whole thing.

Are you dumb?

Re:Meanwhile... (1)

Warlord88 (1065794) | more than 2 years ago | (#38788087)

Interesting. Usually, I would have expected Farkas to wiggle out with the help of $$ and serve little to no time, which is the case with almost every rich guy. But in this case, it seems that he is still serving time! From Wikipedia:

Farkas is currently serving his sentence at the Federal Correctional Institution, Williamsburg, a facility in South Carolina that holds minimum and medium security inmates, and is scheduled for release in 2037

Re:Meanwhile... (0, Offtopic)

cold fjord (826450) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787757)

In other news, no one involved in the massive fraud and graft that trashed the world economy has seen the inside of a jail cell.

Much of the pressure that lead to the problem was created by powerful politicians pursuing seemingly noble progressive goals. Unfortunately their meddling lead to disaster as they pressured mortgage companies to make more and more loans to people that couldn't afford them. The politicians did their damage and are now retiring, their friends and lovers got their money. America is left holding the bag. Actually it is worse that that - those same politicians created important legislation claimed to address the mess they made, but it doesn't. In some cases it only creates the opportunity to damage more of the economy. President Bush had tried to reform things, but was blocked by the Democrats.

The Real Culprits [nationalreview.com]

In Reckless Endangerment [amazon.com] , Morgenson and Rosner offer considerable censure for reckless bankers, lax rating agencies, captured regulators, and unscrupulous businessmen. But the greatest responsibility for the collapse of the housing market and the near “Armageddon” of the American economy belongs to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and to the politicians who created and protected them. With a couple of prominent exceptions, the politicians were Democrats claiming to do good for the poor. Along the way, they enriched themselves and their friends, stuffed their campaign coffers, and resisted all attempts to enforce market discipline. When the inevitable collapse arrived, the entire economy suffered, but no one more than the poor.

Jim Johnson, advisor to Walter Mondale and John Kerry, amassed a personal fortune estimated at $100 million during his nine years as CEO of Fannie Mae. “Under Johnson,” Morgenson and Rosner write, “Fannie Mae led the way in encouraging loose lending practices among the banks whose loans the company bought. A Pied Piper of the financial sector, Johnson led both the private and public sectors down a path that led directly to the credit crisis of 2008.”

Fannie Mae lied about its profits, intimidated adversaries, bought off members of Congress with lavish contributions, hired (and thereby co-opted) academics, purchased political ads (through its foundation), and stacked congressional hearings with friendly bankers, community activists, and advocacy groups (including ACORN). Fannie Mae also hired the friends and relations of key members of Congress (including Rep. Barney Frank’s partner).

Reckless Endangerment includes the Clinton administration’s contribution to the home-ownership catastrophe. Clinton had claimed that dramatically increasing homeownership would boost the economy; instead, “in just a few short years, all of the venerable rules governing the relationship between borrower and lender went out the window, starting with . . . the requirement that a borrower put down a substantial amount of cash in a property, verify his income, and demonstrate an ability to service his debts.”

Reckless Endangerment utterly deflates the perceived history of the 2008 crash. Yes, there was greed — when is there not? But it was government distortions of markets — not “unregulated capitalism” — that led the economy to disaster.

Bailout Politics [nationalreview.com]

Among the Congressional “leaders” invited to the White House to devise a bailout “solution” are the very people who have for years created the risks that have now come home to roost.

Five years ago, Barney Frank vouched for the “soundness” of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and said “I do not see” any “possibility of serious financial losses to the treasury.”

Moreover, he said that the federal government has “probably done too little rather than too much to push them to meet the goals of affordable housing.”

Earlier this year, Senator Christopher Dodd praised Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for “riding to the rescue” when other financial institutions were cutting back on mortgage loans. He too said that they “need to do more” to help subprime borrowers get better loans.

In other words, Congressman Frank and Senator Dodd wanted the government to push financial institutions to lend to people they would not lend to otherwise, because of the risk of default.

The idea that politicians can assess risks better than people who have spent their whole careers assessing risks should have been so obviously absurd that no one would take it seriously.

But the magic words “affordable housing” and the ugly word “redlining” led to politicians directing where loans and investments should go, with such things as the Community Reinvestment Act and various other coercions and threats.

The roots of this problem go back many years, but since the crisis to which all this led happened on George W. Bush’s watch, that is enough for those who think in terms of talking points, without wanting to be confused by the facts.

In reality, President Bush tried unsuccessfully, years ago, to get Congress to create some regulatory agency to oversee Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Re:Meanwhile... (4, Insightful)

AK Marc (707885) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787845)

If every Fannie Mae loan ever given were to default, the effect would have been negligible on the market. The defaults didn't cause the problem. The cause was that you could only make 6% on a 6% loan. So the banks decided to multiply the risk of that 6% loan a hundredfold and then could make 600% on that 6%. And they lied about the risk of that 6% loan when multiplying the risk. When the crisis first started, the default rate was well below historical norms. The problem was that the lies used to sell the derivatives were exposed. If there were no derivatives, the defaults wouldn't have been felt at all on Wall Street. If every piece of land under a loan were to default, there wouldn't be as big of a blip as the default rate ramping back up towards historic norms with these fraudulent derivatives. It wasn't the defaults that caused this, but the invented derivatives.

Separate from this is the racism that comes out about it. I've seen it blamed on black people. Those people should never have been allowed to own land, let alone have a government agency encourage it. And those poor white bankers ("poor" meaning "some of the richest people in the country") were taken advantage of by those shifty no-good negroids. "Sub-Prime" was the name for a crisis caused by rich white male bankers committing fraud when creating derivatives, but they are also the ones who got to name it, and rather than the "1%ers say, Fuck You America" crisis, it's the "minority caused sub-prime lending" crisis. The poor people didn't cause it. They didn't lie. Who did lie are the mortgage brokers and the bankers. And the rich white bankers blamed the poor blacks. And sadly, that's what the conservatives wanted to hear, so there's so much out there on the blacks causing the crisis by defaulting less than norms that the truth will be buried by the real criminals, like always.

If you want to blame a politician, blame Bush for deregulation that let the banks invent the fraudulent derivatives.

Re:Meanwhile... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38788187)

You realize those derivatives you are talking about were removed for the VERY fact to create the ability to loan more people money (specifically 'the poor')? That was the arguments being used to remove the last of the glass stegall act. It was the argument they used to do it. I remember watching the hearings. I remember when they voted it down telling everyone I know 'there will be a recession/depression soon'. No one thought I was in my right mind they were too busy making too much money.

The last of the glass steagall act was swept away in 1996, 1997, and 1998. A full 3 years before bush took office. Where do you think all of that dot com money came from? We just came off a decent recession and suddenly were flush with cash... Do the math. The 2001 bust was just a trial run of what is to come (and the next one *will* be worse).

I knew many people who were taking on loans they could never realistically pay back. My father who makes about 20k a year was being offered 250-300k loans. He would have been out on his ass if I had not talked him out of it. It takes two people to get a loan. Someone willing to loan the money and someone to take it. The banks were busy offloading any sort of bad debt onto the gov as fast as they could so they could have the closing fees. The people who were taking these loans thinking 'sure 50% of my income no problem, but hey I have a new car and a HUGE house'. The government regulators in fannie and freddie (run mostly by former democratic congress critters) were too busy taking in millions to give a shit. There are many examples where they just said 'oh it will fix itself no problems whatsoever'.

Do not delude yourself. We *all* did it to ourselves. To just blame just the bankers is short sighted. Oh they have their share of blame (lots of it). But so do the people who took on the debt (both ' the poor' and gov regulators).

Hell on my house I put less than 1% down. That was unheard of until about 1999. They usually wanted at *LEAST* 10%. I had bankers offering me loans on my loans to 'avoid fees'. It didnt take me but about 10 seconds after hearing that one to realize there was something seriously shady going on. I had at least 20 offers to refinance at 'lower rates'. Not a one was a good deal except to the guy closing the loan.

Once the defaults started the derivatives unwound like a cheap suit. As there were derivatives on derivatives on derivatives.

Oh and they STILL have not fixed it. Within 5-10 years we will have another recession/depression. Right now it can not really happen as no one is loaning anything as the prime rate is too low and no one is making much. But mark my words when the prime rate starts going back up (somewhere between 3-4%) you will see 'recession is over' and other such crap being bellowed around. Then within 3-5 years of that will be another crash.

Re:Meanwhile... (1)

bug1 (96678) | more than 2 years ago | (#38788031)

President Bush had tried to reform things

"Do, or do not. There is no 'try.'" - Yoda

Re:Meanwhile... (1)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 2 years ago | (#38788137)

His point is that he tried, while his political opponents not only didn't try, but actively went to a lot of trouble to prevent change. People like Barney Frank are the ones who anti-tried to fix it.

Re:Meanwhile... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38788189)

"Much of the pressure that lead to the problem was created by powerful politicians pursuing seemingly noble progressive goals. "

This is propaganda how does this get labelled insightful? It comes right off of fox news. It's spin.

Re:Meanwhile... (1)

mug funky (910186) | more than 2 years ago | (#38788003)

nope, justice wasn't done to them either - justice would be them in prison too.

those who can afford it, choose to subvert and pervert it.

Re:Meanwhile... (1)

SirGeek (120712) | more than 2 years ago | (#38788165)

In other news, no one involved in the massive fraud and graft that trashed the world economy has seen the inside of a jail cell.

Justice is served only to those who can afford it.

You mean:

Justice is served only to those who can not afford it.

"What are you in for?" (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38787491)

"Copyright infringement."
"That's serious fucking business! A national security issue, even! Clearly this is a good reason to throw people in jail!"

Re:"What are you in for?" (3, Insightful)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 2 years ago | (#38788089)

Fucking lucky not to be sent to Gitmo. They're starting to refer to copyright infringers as terrorists.

Re:"What are you in for?" (4, Insightful)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 2 years ago | (#38788163)

"Copyright infringement."

...and they all moved away from me on the bench there, and the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty things, till I said, "And creating a nuisance." And they all came back, shook my hand, and we had a great time on the bench, talkin about crime, mother stabbing, father raping, all kinds of groovy things that we was talking about on the bench.

High court vs low court treatment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38787499)

I wish Righthaven got treated this way. What they did was worse.

Re:High court vs low court treatment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38787519)

This righthaven? http://righthaven.com/ [righthaven.com]

I think they're doing fine.

Re:High court vs low court treatment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38787851)

This righthaven? http://righthaven.com/ [righthaven.com]

I think they're doing fine.

No, this Righthaven [wikipedia.org]

oh well fuck em (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38787513)

I'm opposed to SOPA of course but big for-profit pirates like this are no better than MPAA/RIAA. At least with the media cartels the artist does get a cut however small. When piracy was just a small "scene" for connected geeks it was cool. Sort of like "well, being a nerd sucks but as a consolation prize you get all the free games and music you can handle" but now it's just become a giant smorgasbord for the general public with profiteers making huge paydays for nothing. This kind of blatant brazen stuff really does need to get reigned in, just don't kill the open internet to do it.

Re:oh well fuck em (1)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787533)

So ... you liked piracy before it was cool?

Re:oh well fuck em (1)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787579)

The reason these people can make their money is because the RIAA/MPAA has threatened the P2P peers for uploading. The problem of "profiteering" is entirely created by the copyright holders and I have zero sympathy for them.

uhm, you mean like youtube? (1)

decora (1710862) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787821)

if they wanted to stop piracy on youtube, they could just grep for "no copyright infringement intended" and "fair use", that would get about 500,000 hits and they could stop the "thing thats like Rhapsody only no commercials and you can play whatever song you want"

Re:oh well fuck em (1)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787911)

It's just like Gabe Newell pointed out, that Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. I believe that to be true, buying music used to be a PITA, either horrible DRM schemes or the fact that you had to physically go to a store when the technology clearly existed to make this quick, easy and convenient. Until the rise of (mostly) DRM-free stores like iTunes, Zune, etc... I used to pirate music because it was easier not because it was cheaper, i had the money and i was quite willing to pay, but they decided to make it really inconvenient for me to be their customer. Now i buy all my music off iTunes and Zune because it's so easy, I can even do it in the car, on the plane or while i'm walking down the street! Same with Steam or XBox Games On Demand or PSN, rather than going to a store these services have made it much more convenient and I'm willing to pay for that convenience because that's really what I wanted.

The RIAA/MPAA are just dinosaurs, relics of the time before the internet who are now finding themselves too far behind and too far out of touch, all they have left is lawyers.

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Re:oh well fuck em (1)

hjf (703092) | more than 2 years ago | (#38788055)

I know plenty of people here who like to pirate because they DON'T want to pay for stuff. They'd rather download a movie in parts from a file download service (disconnecting from the internet every now and then to renew their IP address and jump the time limits) and spend days doing this rather than walking even 1 block to a video rental store and pay $2 to watch the movie.

This was true when internet was 512k and downloading a movie took more than a day.

There are people who just don't want to pay for stuff - sadly, this "conveniency" piracy makes it too easy for most people to think "this is how things should be", and convince themselves that "free" is the only acceptable price. Piracy here is the norm, not the exception. We have VOD services, and Netflix and most people I showed netflix to just laugh at you for paying $8 a month to watch movies "you can gef for free".

Re:oh well fuck em (1)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 2 years ago | (#38788159)

I know plenty of people here who like to pirate because they DON'T want to pay for stuff.

Of course, there are always going to be people who will be of that mindset.

There are people who just don't want to pay for stuff - sadly, this "conveniency" piracy makes it too easy for most people to think "this is how things should be", and convince themselves that "free" is the only acceptable price. Piracy here is the norm, not the exception. We have VOD services, and Netflix and most people I showed netflix to just laugh at you for paying $8 a month to watch movies "you can gef for free".

There always will be those who won't pay just because they can get it for free but if it's easier or just as easy to get it legitimately, even if that means having to pay, I'd say that would win a lot of people over, or would have if it were implemented in the early days.

I think it likely has something to do with the way convenience piracy got so widespread and accepted through the time when the RIAA/MPAA thought they really could control the internet with lawyers and so didn't bother with it as a distribution medium, which means your paying customers turned to piracy for convenience and now you also have a generation of people who have only known generally-accepted convenience piracy, it's hard to turn them into paying customers.

Re:oh well fuck em (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38788277)

There's another angle to "convenience piracy" on music which is that the albums always leaks days or even weeks before you can legit buy them. Even if I want to buy something by the time the record actually gets on itunes my impulse to buy it is long gone...but there's no reason it couldn't have been on itunes the same day it leaked! When I see some awesome song on youtube I think holy shit these guys are amazing...then you go on itunes and see "availabe 2/12" then I go find it on mediafire instead. And being honest, by the time the album finally comes for sale weeks later I just lost all urge to throw away ten bucks on something I already listened to countless times.

At least... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38787531)

At least it was 14 months, not 14 years.

14 months actually seems reasonable for this sort of crime at the scale it was being made.

Re:At least... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38787669)

I think it would be a better judgement if they took the accounts for the operation, sold the assets (pay for legal fees + fines) and gave out mandatory volunteer time instead. No need to throw them behind bars when it isn't a violent crime for so long. 2-3 months at worst, unless they have dependents.

That way the guy will get a pretty thick boot to the rear and will still be productive to society.

Re:At least... (1)

Thexare Blademoon (1010891) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787715)

This is Virginia. We don't think here.

More Forced Labor (4, Insightful)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787555)

The United States is a police state. If you faciliate communication in ways not approved by the military-industrial complex (including the media), you will be sent to the gulag for hard labor. When are we going to be liberated?

Re:More Forced Labor (2, Interesting)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787611)

We possess the means to liberate ourselves. All that is left is to decide which ones we use. The court? The public square? Voting? The rifle?

Re:More Forced Labor (5, Insightful)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787623)

The first three seem to have gotten nowhere so far, with corruption at every level and candidates literally corrupted as part of assuming office.

Re:More Forced Labor (2)

evilviper (135110) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787807)

The first three seem to have gotten nowhere so far,

That's exactly what happens when YOU put absolutely no effort in.

Tell you what, you're good at making big noise on the internet... why don't you lead up the revolution? Grab your gun. We'll all be right behind you, I swear...

Re:More Forced Labor (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787917)

...corruption at every level...

Including the voters who expect a piece of the action. Corruption high and low... meeting in the middle..

Re:More Forced Labor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38788177)

candidates literally corrupted as part of assuming office.

If anyone took that problem as seriously as they should, we could do something about it.

Government is addicted to graft. Half of defeating any addiction is admitting you have it. It's structural--everyone says take a hit, you'll be popular, everyone's doing it. And you look around, and everyone's doing it. And you turn and you stare at the pile of money sitting on the table.

The next morning you wake up with some coporation's sweaty unmentionables on your face and pictures to prove it's as bad as you fear. They only need the pictures to make sure you keep taking hits until you're completely hooked. Eventually you're turning tricks for nothing, just for the thrill of it. It's sad and disgusting.

Re:More Forced Labor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38787637)

the mind?

Re:More Forced Labor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38788305)

Well the courts have failed. Bought and paid for by big business and those with money.

Public square? Yeah those people got arrested too. Back into the courts.

Voting? You mean our completely fucked up bought and paid for voting systems delivered by diebold and the other corruption problems? Where we are given a choice between two of the same ol same ol fuckups as we've always had...

The rifle? Yeah that won't work either. The goverment has alot more and much bigger guns.

We do not have the means anymore.

Re:More Forced Labor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38787629)

The United States is a police state. If you faciliate communication in ways not approved by the military-industrial complex (including the media), you will be sent to the gulag for hard labor. When are we going to be liberated?

Sounds like civil unrest! Someone should ask one of the Muslim nations to send some soldiers on a peacekeeping mission. It's the least they can do after you helped them out for so long.

Re:More Forced Labor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38787729)

There is a "rifle" of sorts. We need worms that spreads copyrighted/illegal content and p2p networks such as Tor and Freenet to overwhelm the pigs. Why hasn't this been done yet on a massive scale. Fuck the police.

Re:More Forced Labor (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38787741)

I look forward to the daily ANAL TEASING and ANAL RAPING with a flag shoved up my ass while I sing AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL....

It's all fake, A BIG GAME! YOU'RE ALL IN ON IT!

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where are you people for the Stephen Kim trial? (1)

decora (1710862) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787829)

when they are locking up people on bogus Espionage Act charges, you don't seem to care... but take away your ability to get free porn and video games... omg they are worse than hitler.

Re:More Forced Labor (1)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 2 years ago | (#38788113)

In a police state they'd have kicked your door in, clubbed you senseless, hauled you off never to be heard from again. Your family and friends wouldn't even ask about you for fear they'd be next. This site itself, silly as it is, would be taken over and it's management would be also hauled away. I don't like what's going on either but jeez! Get some perspective.

Re:More Forced Labor (1)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 2 years ago | (#38788145)

The United States is a police state. If you faciliate communication in ways not approved by the military-industrial complex (including the media), you will be sent to the gulag for hard labor.

Which explains why you're free to say those exact (utter BS) words here, in public, to your heart's content. Idiot.

Try that in places around the world where that's actually true, just for a bit of perspective. Not that you would, since you're a proud living-in-mom's-basement rebel without a damn clue.

Re:More Forced Labor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38788353)

Try growing the wrong type of plant and see how much we're not a police state. We're fascists.

My tax money supporting the film industry (5, Interesting)

BlueCoder (223005) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787613)

I am upset that my taxes go to supporting the film industry's copyright policing like this.

Keeping a person in jail for a year costs between 25-50K not including court costs.

That's money that can be used for more worthwhile things. What it's being spent on will not result in any changed behavior or profits for the entertainment industry. It only drives things more underground and makes people become more sophisticated. The only people making money from this are the lawyers collecting paychecks and not producing anything of worth for society.

It's also exposes all the corrupt politicians and the justice system. While they have always been corrupt I would have been happier to live in ignorance than to have it exposed out in the open like this.

Copyright police? Censorship? The original politicians that started this country are turning over in their graves. This country was started as a backlash to self serving corruption like this.

Re:My tax money supporting the film industry (4, Interesting)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787655)

The founders were not saints. Most were tax evaders or smugglers angry about the British crackdowns on their activities. Almost all owned slaves. Many were womanizers. Once in office, they pretty much all abused power; the Alien and Sedition Acts were possibly worse than their modern counterparts, especially compared to what was actually possible in the day. My point is, they might have been perfectly fine with a lot of what is going on today. Indeed, they'd likely be more concerned about the Federal Reserve than with the rampant corruption and rights violations.

Re:My tax money supporting the film industry (4, Insightful)

nnet (20306) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787683)

"...This country was started as a backlash to self serving corruption like this...."
heh no. They wanted to start their OWN self-serving corruption. They were tired of being at the bottom of someone elses totem pole :)

Cheap prisoners (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38788285)

Shit, you Americans have jail down to a fine art, it's over 100K per prisoner per year here (and our dollar is equal to yours).

"Authorities"? (5, Interesting)

jginspace (678908) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787691)

The site operated from February 2008 until authorities shut it down in June 2010.

Ninjavideo.net [ninjavideo.net] was among the first group [ice.gov] of sites seized by ICE [ice.gov] and their "authority" is questionable.

Interestingly, ICE have not placed a redirect to their Youtube video yet on any of the Ninja* sites (see TVshack.cc [tvshack.cc] for an example) so presumably the decision to steal/confiscate the site is still being contested by Matthew David Howard Smith or an associate.

Freedom in your BUNGHOLE! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38787701)

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Read this until it sinks in your ass! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38787711)

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Acronym Wars (2)

phrostie (121428) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787785)

is it just me or are the MPAA and RIAA and other acronyms doing just fine without their SOPA and PIPA?

Proper response to piracy (2, Informative)

GillyGuthrie (1515855) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787787)

Many game developers are fed up with PC piracy and feel they are in a lose-lose situation and they don't want to choose between DRM-laden software or Internet activation... these companies (maker of Crysis comes to mind) vow to develop more heavily for the "console" platforms (XBox, etc.) because piracy is less common there. Of course, if Crysis 3 is console-only, people will probably go the extra mile and modify their boxes and pirate it anyways, but that's beside the point. The point is, game devs (along with authors and other artists) have manned up for ages and when piracy becomes an issue for them, they find a solution that doesn't involve hundreds of frivolous lawsuits that is harming everybody with its costs in tying up our legal system.

Re:Proper response to piracy (4, Insightful)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787835)

Many game developers are fed up with PC piracy and feel they are in a lose-lose situation and they don't want to choose between DRM-laden software or Internet activation... these companies (maker of Crysis comes to mind) vow to develop more heavily for the "console" platforms (XBox, etc.) because piracy is less common there. Of course, if Crysis 3 is console-only, people will probably go the extra mile and modify their boxes and pirate it anyways, but that's beside the point. The point is, game devs (along with authors and other artists) have manned up for ages and when piracy becomes an issue for them, they find a solution that doesn't involve hundreds of frivolous lawsuits that is harming everybody with its costs in tying up our legal system.

I wonder how Steam is... It should be tanking and going out of business with all this piracy...

Re:Proper response to piracy (2)

pgward (2086802) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787863)

I like to think steam is doing a lot to further this cause. They are by no means perfect, but they are a step in the right direction. I personally went from being a heavy user of pirated games to being 100% legit due to the service offered by steam. It is not perfect, but I'll take community, auto-mated maintenance, single point of sale, specials and good service over punk buster and/or downloading cracks any day.

Re:Proper response to piracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38787925)

Punk buster is mainly an anti-cheat, I DON'T want it to go away.

Re:Proper response to piracy (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787943)

truth is, all game developers who come up with a really, really good game end up with gobs and gobs of cash.

just like it was in the c64 days.
just like it was in the amiga days.
just like it was in the 486dx with doom is the shit days.

piracy isn't the real problem for game developers, the "problem" is that they have competition from other game producers.

doj workers however don't have any other business than prosecuting people of course.

Re:Proper response to piracy (1)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 2 years ago | (#38788153)

truth is, all game developers who come up with a really, really good game end up with gobs and gobs of cash

Which would be interesting if it were the least bit true.

Re:Proper response to piracy (1)

blahplusplus (757119) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787955)

The real issue was never piracy it's about dev's having a dumb captive audience that will pay for the same games over and over again. Any devs who whine about piracy when you look at sales numbers of skyrim of Call of duty are idiots.

We dun poked the bear.. (1)

teknx (2547472) | more than 2 years ago | (#38787803)

The SOPA/PIPA backlash seemed like a push towards victory. But it seems like the other side is pushing back, and pushing back hard. In less than a week after the SOPA blackout: Megaupload is offline, Filesonic is running scared, and Upload.to went all China-firewall on the U.S. Things are about to get crazyyy.

MOTHERFUCKERS GOING TO THE POKEY !! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38787831)

And they don't call it the pokey because they butt-fuck fresh, young meat like them. Oh, wait, that is why they call it the pokey !! Who's next ?? YOU ARE !!

STOP! ANAL HAMMER TIME! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38787859)

Oh beautiful,
for private prisons,
For ample ways of pain,
My rectum has exploded,
And all the work in vain!

The world we live in,
The world we live in,
is all a manufactured GAME!

Why can't you see,
What few can see,
You celebrate as slaves!

Here is your truth,
"WEAR IT UNTIL YOU LOVE IT!"

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, CIA Director

What was that? I didn't hear you...

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, CIA Director

But... but.. but.. I watch the Daily News, it appears uncontrolled and more free than the regular news stations..

CORPORATE CONTROL

Huh?

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, CIA Director

But... c'mon that's an old quote

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, CIA Director

NO! PLEASE! I....
*()@&#*$$
NO CARRIER

true story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38788033)

yin and yang, we have the real people and we have the ass backwards media industry. the best media makers aren't in it for the money, shit comes clean eventually lmfao

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