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Ask Slashdot: Choosing Anonymous Proxies?

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the you-will-be-my-avatar dept.

Privacy 211

bradley13 writes "There are lots of anonymous proxies out there, and anyone concerned about their privacy probably uses one for at least some of their web browsing. The Megaupload story highlights the fact that having servers in the USA is not a great idea. There are also other countries one may not want to trust. Oddly, very few proxy services mention where their equipment is located. What anonymous proxy services do you use? What criteria do you use to select them? How paranoid are you, and for what types of Internet usage?"

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Botnets and Seven Chains (5, Insightful)

Christopher B. Linn (2560089) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808055)

It's the only way to stay truly anonymous and secure on the internet. You cannot trust companies to provide you true anonymity and proxies, especially if money is involved.

Never trust anyone, and never expose to anyone who you are. That is the only way to stay secure on the internet.

Re:Botnets and Seven Chains (5, Funny)

El Torico (732160) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808179)

Agent Mulder, is that you?

Re:Botnets and Seven Chains (2)

bobbied (2522392) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808253)

Smart, Maxwell Smart!

And Loving It!

Re:Botnets and Seven Chains (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38808405)

No, he is Christopher B. Linn; but don't tell anyone, especially the internet! (he doesn't want to reveal who he is!

All jokes aside, this reminds me of an XKDC post... about anonymity

http://xkcd.com/834/

Re:Botnets and Seven Chains (1)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808955)

That's ok. We all use Christopher's machine for *our* anonymous proxies. Of course, he's probably unaware about those cites he surfed with our handy-dandy XSS routine that implanted the proxy on his machine in the first place. Chris, dude, don't you wonder about your cable bill-- at all?

Re:Botnets and Seven Chains (5, Informative)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808463)

Or Tor. Which is the same thing as a bot net proxy, but consensual. Make sure you don't send any personally identifiable traffic through the tunnel, because the exit nodes are monitored.

Re:Botnets and Seven Chains (4, Informative)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808777)

An anti-MITM browser plugin like Perspectives or Convergence is a good thing to use when browsing via a proxy.

Re:Botnets and Seven Chains (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38808775)

never expose to anyone who you are

Aren't you the guy who just said [slashdot.org] :

I work as a software engineer at Cisco in our San Jose headquarters

Re:Botnets and Seven Chains (5, Insightful)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 2 years ago | (#38809021)

The point he's trying to make is that nobody knows that better than he does - Cisco gear is widely used to facilitate eavesdropping and contains multiple undocumented backdoors for the 3-letter agencies.

Your proxy could be 100% dedicated to customer privacy, but can be unwittingly monitored and its users exposed as long as the proxy utilizes Cisco gear.

He did not slip or contradict himself - he is doing you all a favor, and speaks with authority.

Re:Botnets and Seven Chains (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38809103)

Develop MPD. I split myself like this. The real life me, I have an email/chat account, that everyone knows, as far as they know I only spend time on the net reading or gaming. Then I have another completely different persona, facebook/gmail account for gaming and socializing, none of them with even a glimpse into my real life. Fake name, birth date, everything. There are some games where I spend some money. If those games I play with RL people, then I use my RL account, if not, I use another completely different persona, again different personal information.

Seems strange, paranoid, but that's not the reason I do it. I like my privacy and personal time. When I turn off the computer, my socializing on the web is done. RL is on and vice-versa.

For RL, I have a phone, and living in a small town makes any travel trivial.

Anonymouse (4, Informative)

Trepidity (597) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808143)

I use this thing [anonymouse.org] .

Selection criteria:

1. First google hit for [anonymous proxy]
2. It's been around since forever and I remember its url (but when I don't, see #1)

Yeah, not that scientific.

The most venerable lineage in this space is probably The Anonymizer [anonymizer.com] , which was once hosted by CMU researchers, but it seems to have been bought and turned into a commercial desktop application.

Re:Anonymouse (1)

mrclisdue (1321513) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808459)

I use whatever from the list here:

http://www.samair.ru/proxy/type-01.htm [samair.ru]

Otherwise, it's TOR

cheers,

Re:Anonymouse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38810085)

Using Russian proxies has the added benefit of being in a country that does not have an extradition treaty with the United States. This means that you can rest assured that the US government will have no leverage to take custody of those server owners and thus the IP logs on those machines.

Obligatory TOR post (1)

ajpuciat (2553090) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808165)

It's easy, free, and for the most part anonymous if all you are doing is simple web browsing.

Not sure that I would want to do any banking or accessing sensitive data through that network, but it is a start.

Anonymous != secure (4, Informative)

mindcandy (1252124) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808243)

Many TOR nodes are run for malicious purposes (a few have resorted to 'wall of sheep' sort of tactics' to reinforce this fact). TOR gives you anonymity but NOT privacy.

They're all the same. (4, Funny)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808175)

See: http://xkcd.com/908/ [xkcd.com]

Except it's all pointing to one gnarly Tor endpoint

PARANOID ?? BECAUSE I PROXY ?? THEREFORE I AM ?? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38808185)

You can look, but you can't touch
I don't think I like you much
Heaven knows what a girl can do
Heaven knows what you've got to prove

I think I'm paranoid
And complicated
I think I'm paranoid
Manipulate it

Chorus:
Bend me, break me
Anyway you need me
All I want is you
Bend me, break me
Breaking down is easy
All I want is you

I fall down just to give you a thrill
Prop me up with another pill
If I should fail, if I should fold
I nailed my faith to the sticking pole

I think I'm paranoid
Manipulate it
I think I'm paranoid
And complicated

Chorus

Paranoid
I think I'm paranoid

Chorus

Steal me, deal me, anyway you heal me
Maim me, tame me, you can never change me
Love me, like me, come ahead and fight me
Please me, tease me, go ahead and leave me

Bend me
Break me
Anyway you need me
As long as I want you baby it's all right

Bend me
Break me
Any way you need me
As long as I want you baby it's all right !!

The Onion Router (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38808239)

It is fine for most purposes, and if you are really worried about backtracking, login from an open WiFi, route through TOR out the exit node and through one or two of the numerous free online proxies. Slow as molasses in January, but there it is.

Some options (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38808267)

I use Giganews' 'VyperVPN service. They have servers all over the world and you can select which country you want to use.
I've also used privatetunnels.com which is based in the Ukraine and that was a great service as well.

I do not trust Anonymous proxies. (5, Funny)

Dareth (47614) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808273)

I do not trust Anonymous proxies. So I always host my own "anonymous" proxies myself. That is what I call secure!

Re:I do not trust Anonymous proxies. (1, Redundant)

multimediavt (965608) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808399)

I do not trust Anonymous proxies. So I always host my own "anonymous" proxies myself. That is what I call secure!

How do you figure that's "anonymous"? You are paying for the Internet connection so SOMEBODY knows who you are. If you are using a machine at work to do same, then still, SOMEBODY knows who you are. The bottom line is, there is no truly anonymous proxies anymore...not that there really were any to begin with. Somebody always knows unless you are IP spoofing on top of a proxy, but even that is becoming less secure as governments and law enforcement get more capable.

Re:I do not trust Anonymous proxies. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38808457)

WOOSH!

Re:I do not trust Anonymous proxies. (2)

Cryacin (657549) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808511)

There must be quite a few Sheldon Cooper's out there who don't understand sarcasm apparently. Informative? Really?!?

Re:I do not trust Anonymous proxies. (1, Troll)

sconeu (64226) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808575)

Darn. I was going to guess sarcasm, but changed my mind!

Re:I do not trust Anonymous proxies. (0)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808483)

whooosh !

Re:I do not trust Anonymous proxies. (4, Interesting)

v1 (525388) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808539)

How do you figure that's "anonymous"? You are paying for the Internet connection so SOMEBODY knows who you are.

I think that falls under the "I'm behind seven proxies, good luck!" meme. Granted, you get more and more latency each hop, but if you can give someone enough busywork trying to follow the breadcrumbs, you're likely to either (A) make them decide it's not worth the effort to get a 5th, 6th, and 7th court order, or by the time they get to the last proxy they have wiped your session data and simply have nothing to give anyone with a badge on their letterhead.

Good proxy providers make a point to not retain session data for any longer than is absolutely necessary. Or if they don't, you've made a bad selection of providers. I know if I were working in Anonymous, I sure as hell would be using a proxy chain paid for using prepaid visa cards.

Re:I do not trust Anonymous proxies. (3, Funny)

elsurexiste (1758620) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808557)

I finally understand the "Woosh" idiom! Thank you multimediavt!

Re:I do not trust Anonymous proxies. (2)

Joe Snipe (224958) | more than 2 years ago | (#38809411)

huh?

Re:I do not trust Anonymous proxies. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38808627)

wwwwhhhhooooossssshhhhh!!!

Re:I do not trust Anonymous proxies. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38808975)

You, my friend, have succeeded brilliantly in completely missing the joke.

Re:I do not trust Anonymous proxies. (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38808435)

So your anon proxy has the same IP address as your your named account with your ISP, so all your anon traffic is immediately traceable without any effort whatsoever, directly to you. That means your traffic is most definitely NOT anonymous!

Re:I do not trust Anonymous proxies. (1)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808495)

and double whooosh !

Re:I do not trust Anonymous proxies. (1)

idontgno (624372) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808665)

and double ROT13 whooosh !

FTFY.

Re:I do not trust Anonymous proxies. (5, Funny)

kiwimate (458274) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808541)

Pfft, amateur. I use a WGET to have my web pages e-mailed to me. That way anyone who's watching my activity thinks it's Richard Stallman.

Overplay (4, Informative)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808305)

I use Overplay for region-restricted web content. Very useful when watching British TV shows on the BBC iPlayer and Irish Gaelic sports like hurling [youtube.com] and Gaelic football [youtube.com] which saves me the trouble of having to go to a pub and pay $20 per game.

Bitcoin, yes, seriously (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38808317)

Google for "vpn services accepting bitcoin". Done. We learned from the spectacular failure of HideMyAss that you cannot pay for you proxy with credit card when the FBI comes looking.

The best anonymouse proxy is an open wifi (4, Insightful)

Anon-Admin (443764) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808383)

I personally use open wifi connections, they are about as anonymous as you can get. I picked up a 10" google pad with GPS, installed the software and took a drive. They are all over the place, that is assuming you dont use the open one at the local bar, Denny's, McDonalds, Cigar club, Starbucks, etc, etc, etc.

If you look, you will find that open and available wifi connections are easy to find, completely anonymous, and fun. Fun because it is amazing what people will share on there local network with an open wifi connection ;)

Re:The best anonymouse proxy is an open wifi (4, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808763)

I personally use open wifi connections, they are about as anonymous as you can get. I picked up a 10" google pad with GPS, installed the software and took a drive. They are all over the place, that is assuming you dont use the open one at the local bar, Denny's, McDonalds, Cigar club, Starbucks, etc, etc, etc.

Hmm... so "Anon-Admin" likes cigars, lattes, Big Macs and Grand Slam Breakfasts - that narrows things down considerably... I've almost got him!

Re:The best anonymouse proxy is an open wifi (1)

Anon-Admin (443764) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808833)

Ok, that is funny...

Cigars, yes

The rest, well they showed up on the wifi scan and most surprised me. Heck, all the Whataburgers now have open wifi's. I never would have thought that a chain like Wataburger would have open wifi.

Re:The best anonymouse proxy is an open wifi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38809173)

Whataburger is a regional chain, I'm guessing you are in Texas somewhere...

Re:The best anonymouse proxy is an open wifi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38809373)

the net is closing on Anon-Admin...

Re:The best anonymouse proxy is an open wifi (1)

Jeng (926980) | more than 2 years ago | (#38809541)

Or at one time visited or lived in the region that Whataburger is in.

Doesn't narrow it down much, hell he could have even googled that information.

Re:The best anonymouse proxy is an open wifi (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 2 years ago | (#38809917)

Whataburger is a regional chain, I'm guessing you are in Texas somewhere...

They have them in LA too....

Re:The best anonymouse proxy is an open wifi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38809295)

And now we know your general location geographically. Wataburger is not nationwide.

Re:The best anonymouse proxy is an open wifi (5, Informative)

Crudely_Indecent (739699) | more than 2 years ago | (#38809231)

Be sure to alter the MAC address of your wireless adapter, or the log files on the open wifi router could be used to identify your computer.

Re:The best anonymouse proxy is an open wifi (1)

mollymoo (202721) | more than 2 years ago | (#38809293)

I hope you're spoofing your MAC address. Not that it's very likely random open networks will keep the log for very long, if at all, but if you really care you'd want to be sure.

Re:The best anonymouse proxy is an open wifi (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 2 years ago | (#38809945)

I hope you're spoofing your MAC address. Not that it's very likely random open networks will keep the log for very long, if at all, but if you really care you'd want to be sure.

How does one do with with a windows machine?

Re:The best anonymouse proxy is an open wifi (2)

jackbird (721605) | more than 2 years ago | (#38810177)

It's driver-dependent. All the consumer Linksys stuff I've run across has it, and some other vendors, too.

Re:The best anonymouse proxy is an open wifi (1)

mjr167 (2477430) | more than 2 years ago | (#38809407)

Doesn't count as unauthorized access to a computer network and is thus a crime?

Re:The best anonymouse proxy is an open wifi (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 2 years ago | (#38809811)

I picked up a 10" google pad with GPS, installed the software and took a drive.

What software did you install on the google pad?

I have servers in the USA (1)

ShavedOrangutan (1930630) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808387)

It's never been a problem. Ditto for lots of other people and companies. What's the issue?

Re:I have servers in the USA (2, Interesting)

kiwimate (458274) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808729)

1. People want to do illegal stuff and not get caught; and/or
2. People are overly paranoid.

Modern life is complicated enough without trying to get into trouble. Why bother? (Answer: people have a raging sense of entitlement. "Whine, I don't want to pay for stuff.")

Re:I have servers in the USA (2)

RatBastard (949) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808829)

It's not always about not paying for things. Some people have fetishes for... well, let us just say illegal things. In some places frontal nudity would count. Other places you're talking pictures featuring pyrohomonecropedobestiality.

Re:I have servers in the USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38808939)

>> 2. People are overly paranoid.

Paranoid is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear. I wasn't paranoid until the TSA was created and domestic spying at a all time high. Eric Schmidt defines paranoia perfectly, “If you have something that you don’t want anyone to know maybe you shouldn’t be doing it in the first place”.

Re:I have servers in the USA (2)

Genda (560240) | more than 2 years ago | (#38809753)

Alright, you watch "48 Hours" or "Criminal minds" on TV and something you see about terrorism or murder piques your interest so gawd forbid you Google it. Whether it the "Anarchists Cookbook" or "How to hide murder by using succinylcholine", you have just made yourself a potential target of a law enforcement agency, and if gawd forbid again, anything bad happens in your household or neighborhood in the next 24 months, your browsing habits have just planted a smoking gun in your hand.

You don't even have to be the one who does the search. You leave you home PC logged in as you, and your eldest male-child does a search on how to "Terminate a butthead little brother" and you could be buggered.

Its not paranoia if Government Agencies have virtually unlimited resources to smoke your hinny like a Cohiba, at the first blush of illegal activity. Its also not particularly heart warming to discover that Prosecuting Attorneys have almost no interest in getting the right guy (that's the job of the police), just winning the case. The number of poor innocent bastards in prison in this country does not exactly inspire confidence in our legal system. Hell, Texas just executed what the entire planet now knows was almost certainly an innocent man just for political value.

You better believe that I find myself faced with two options in these modern times. They are; Willfully avoid any appearance or opportunity to be caught doing anything that might get me buggered, or Run silent and run deep. Anything else is Russian Roulette.

Obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38808885)

Computer equipment is regularly stolen (cough, "seized") by the US government when they can make up an excuse -- and even when they can't make up an excuse. It's a power trip for the low-level pawns who do the actual work, but it's part of a much bigger, longer-running plan for the elite at the top of the pyramid who actually put this system in place.

In a nutshell: Government is a business; oppression expands market share and raises operating costs. (They aren't spending their own money in case you didn't know.)

Re:I have servers in the USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38809417)

I guess they're upset about Megaupload. To be fair, it sounds like they might have knowingly been defying the DMCA safe harbor rules (in which case, they sort of deserve the consequences). The way some people are acting, you'd think it was just randomly decided to take them down but some of the evidence (according to Ars Technica's coverage which I find to be relatively fair) is pretty damning.

Still, I guess if I was a pirate, I might have some concern about using servers in the US.

Coffee shop? (4, Interesting)

hawguy (1600213) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808389)

How about a coffee shop's free Wifi using a spoofed MAC address while I'm sitting at the restaurant next door?

Re:Coffee shop? (3, Insightful)

parlancex (1322105) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808851)

Just make sure if you buy anything it's cash only. :)

Re:Coffee shop? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38809163)

Wear latex gloves, shave every hair off, and wear a fake mustache....

Re:Coffee shop? (3)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#38809501)

And more important than all of that, use a totally clean browser with geolocation and any other privacy-destroying features disabled, and locked down tightly to put scripts, flash, cookies (including flash cookies and HTML5 storage) and off-site requests on a whielist system.

Re:Coffee shop? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38809191)

Just make sure if you buy anything it's cash only. :)

And make sure to turn off your cellphone

Re:Coffee shop? (1)

Joe Snipe (224958) | more than 2 years ago | (#38809487)

Pawn Shop laptop at a McDonalds. Only way to go.

Re:Coffee shop? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38809505)

Perfect is the only thing I can say. And of course watch homemade porn :D

panopticlick (4, Insightful)

jginspace (678908) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808417)

What degree of anonymity are you looking for? Exactly which of the HTTP request headers do you wish to be anonymized? Okay so your proxy is not passing on your IP address. So It's not passing on common proxy behaviours (like HTTP 1.0 requests). And there's no 'proxy' anywhere in the request. You're not even using TOR. Well done. Now check Panopticlick [eff.org] . You're not anonymous. Now exactly what kind of proxy where you looking for and what kind of anonymity were you looking for?

Re:panopticlick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38810055)

...And absolutely NOTHING that's uniquely identifying comes up from that site.

Try again? Please insert coin.

Re:panopticlick (1)

Flere Imsaho (786612) | more than 2 years ago | (#38810115)

"Within our dataset of several million visitors, only one in 64,462 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours."

I'm special! I knew mother was right!

anonproxy.fbi.gov works for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38808437)

n/t

IIRC - They & those LIKE they, used "Triangle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38809097)

OR, they did - I posted about it way, Way, WAY back yrs. ago on another forum, approximately 2001-2002 iirc in fact!

(Someone NEW joined those forums in fact, directly confronting ME on it no less, & he was claiming to be from the U.S. Gov't. asked me HOW I knew of it (I read it in a magazine, iirc, EWeek or something like it))

---

PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TriangleBoy [wikipedia.org]

"TriangleBoy is a proxying tool designed to allow users to get around firewalls and censorship, and anonymously visit web sites. The tool was created by Stephen Hsu, founder of SafeWeb,[1] which later stopped support and distribution of the tool. The software was developed using seed money from the CIA,[1][2] and TriangleBoy was supported in part by the Voice of America as a way for Chinese readers to be able to reach the VoA website while bypassing China's Great Firewall."

---

(Sounds PRETTY MUCH like today's "TOR" with exit node endpoints & all... now, allegedly, it's no longer developed, but I have the feeling & have "heard tell" that the gov't. has its OWN setups of "TOR-like"/"Triangle Boy"-like systems anyhow nowadays - I wouldn't doubt that whatever's in use by they now came from its roots in TriangleBoy code I'd wager...)

APK

P.S.=> And? Well... there you go, enjoy... apk

No one is to Blame (-1, Offtopic)

phrostie (121428) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808441)

You can look at the menu, but you just can't tweet
You can feel the mouse button, but you can't have a meet
You can dip your debs in the pool, but you can't have a swim
You can feel the curves, but you can't commit the sine
And you want tor, and tor wants you
We want everyone
And you want tor and tor wants you
No one, no one, no one ever is to blame

You can build a sandbox, but you just can't live in
You're the fastest coder but you're not allowed to win
Some break the IP rules, and live to count the cost
The insecurity is the thing that won't get lost
And you want Tor, and Tor wants you
We want everyone
And you want Tor, and Tor wants you
No one, no one, no one ever is to blame

You can see the server but you can't reach it
Its the last piece of the puzzle but you just can't make it fit
The Admin says you're cured but you still feel the pain
Aspirations in the clouds but your hopes go down the drain
And you want Tor, and Tor wants you
We want everyone
And you want Tor, and Tor wants you
No one, no one, no one ever is to blame
No one ever is to blame
No one ever is to blame

Get Coccon (2)

mbeckman (645148) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808505)

I use Cocoon (GetCoccon.com [slashdot.org] ). It's free, and they are very clear in their privacy policy that they don't store logs tracking where you go:

.

"Inside Cocoon we do not track where you go or what you do online... Only operational information, such as processing speed or what features are under greatest demand, may be used to ensure Cocoon provides the best possible performance and experience to our users."

There is the question of how enforceable this promise is, since Cocoon is ad-supported. It's in their privacy policy, however, so I presume that is legally binding on them. I like that Cocoon comes right out and say that they don't track anything, though. Does any other proxy do that?

Depends on why .. (2)

mindcandy (1252124) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808551)

Like always, the question you have to ask is "who am I hiding it from"?

TOR works well, but is neither anonymous or private (meaning TOR traffic is easy to identify at entry, so the ISP will know you're doing it). At exit, the traffic is the same as it entered .. so unless your transport itself is encrypted, it's game over if the exit op is malicious.

Paid proxies are good for casual "don't want the boss seeing it", and many of these are plain HTTPS so they're harder to spot. Teathering your personal phone also works here.

If you're doing something illegal, the safest bet is probably long-range wifi (to somebody else's equipment) + proxy (tor, VPS with stolen CC, etc.) and even then you've got to move around a bit.

you're chasing a snark (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38808569)

What makes you think that there is any anonymous proxy in the world that can not be traced back to the user with the investment of sufficient funds and force by a sufficiently motivated tracker?

The only thing that you can do is cover your tracks enough that it is not worth the cost for anyone to track you down. Anything beyond that is illusory.

Re:you're chasing a snark (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38809705)

I ain't sure if this could be used to help hide ones tracks, but you can plug an activated time warner cable modem into pretty much any active time warner cable connection and it will work.

I've been paying for my little sisters internet and time warner is three addresses behind on her information, but it still works since her apartment complex has free standard cable.

Obviously it won't be hard to track down once it gets noticed, but I imagine they would check the address it is suppose to be at first before trying to back track it's location though their network to find it's actual location.

Torrent Security (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38808703)

My company has used Torrent Security for private browsing and it seems to work and the setup is really easy. Just my 2 cents worth.

Tor + Https? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38808723)

How about tor and https?

Anonymity of tor plus the privacy of https...

homer do good?

How do you know they're anonymous? (1)

harl (84412) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808821)

Let me point out the elephant is in the room.

How do you verify the anonymity?

Re:How do you know they're anonymous? (1)

Dwedit (232252) | more than 2 years ago | (#38809165)

Load a website you control and look for "X-Forwarded-For" in the HTTP headers?

Re:How do you know they're anonymous? (1)

harl (84412) | more than 2 years ago | (#38809559)

How does that tell you that when someone comes asking they won't turn over all the logs?

Re:How do you know they're anonymous? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38810239)

Load a website you control and look for "X-Forwarded-For" in the HTTP headers?

This site will give you all the headers, and highlight a few significant ones:
http://simplesniff.com/ [simplesniff.com]

Re:How do you know they're anonymous? (2)

kiwimate (458274) | more than 2 years ago | (#38809429)

How do you verify the anonymity?

Because they haven't been caught yet. Duh.

It's either that, or face up to the fact that nobody's actually looking for you/you're not really all that terribly interesting.

but why so much? (2)

doston (2372830) | more than 2 years ago | (#38808901)

I completely respect people's privacy, but when they insist on SO MUCH and total privacy, it even makes me wonder what they're up to. Personally, I use the "do not track" feature on firefox, which is probably useless and per the WSJ article on privacy, I added the Ghostery and Better Privacy add-ons to Firefox...they're supposed to further help. I'm not sure what I'd be doing to require a botnet or a truly anonymous proxy. Even when I thought about growing my own pot, I just used my regular browser and emailed friends about it over gmail. Probably not real bright. I'd like to know what you're all up to that requires such anonymity.

Re:but why so much? (1)

That Guy From Mrktng (2274712) | more than 2 years ago | (#38809655)

Wondering the same but just watching at the current situation there little difference between kiddiporn and some 12 yo downloading the latest Biever POS.

Soon Facebook will be the sanctioned INTERNET (with it's own currency and all) and everything outside will be cast with a shadow of illegality. Prove me wrong.

Most = SLOW AS DIRT, but here goes... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38808953)

http://www.publicproxyservers.com/ [publicproxyservers.com]

* Surfing via allegedly "non-big-brother run" ANONYMOUS PROXIES is slow as frozen honey, but, that's a list I have used before...

(Once in awhile though, you can find one that's pretty fast actually, but I've found that 9/10++ times or better, most are again, slow...)

APK

P.S.=> Enjoy... apk

HideIPVPN (1)

b0bby (201198) | more than 2 years ago | (#38809037)

http://www.hideipvpn.com/ [hideipvpn.com] has servers in the US & UK; I use them once in a while if I want to access region specific content. Pretty cheap and fast enough for my needs so I'm happy.

Free VPN (1)

metrometro (1092237) | more than 2 years ago | (#38809115)

Many people will post suggestions for incredibly difficult to implement solutions. I work with groups of people (journalists, mostly) which need something NOW, that they can run themselves without getting a degree in network engineering.

For them, I send them to AnchorFree Hotspot Shield.

Free, ad supported (you can run AdBlockPlus) and allegedly does not log for non-paying accounts (I wouldn't want to know either). It gives you a random IP address terminating in Northern California, which is very helpful for people with censorship issues.

Proxies etc (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38809131)

The place I have been using for about a year now is Torrent Security, they have a solid socks v5 proxy that works for torrent clients as well as in your browser for anonymous surfing - They have a 3 day trial as well, had nothing but good luck with them. - http://www.torrentsecurity.com/

People are such idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38809201)

1. User thinks "Hey, I'm in danger and the F..B...I... is looking at my surfing of Sailor Moon/blogging about naughtiness from my parents' basement".
2. User goes through all this junk to try and hide something which nobody cares about.

On the flip side:

1. Various security organizations are fully cognizant that this is going on.
2. So they focus their efforts on the same tools being used in User's step #2.
3. ...with a huge amount of success. Yeah, really - you think those things actually work? Security theater, jackasses.

FBI running proxies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38809229)

Assume proxies are being run by the authorities or at least more closely watched. Same with using encryption; it will be under far more scrutiny. Unless you personally know the person running the proxy server there isn't any reliability.

Never trusted them either (5, Interesting)

AlienSexist (686923) | more than 2 years ago | (#38809433)

Being paranoid, I cannot resolve the chain-of-trust for anonymous proxies. For all I know Big Brother, with his infinite budget, owns and operates all of these so called proxies anyway. Honeypots if you will. Not only are they well-positioned to see what you are trying to conceal but even collaborate among other owned nodes to see just how far you're willing to take it. So in the worst case you are drawing even more attention upon yourself. You cannot really know. Is it safer than not using a proxy at all? Possibly.

if I'm reading this correctly.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38809507)

...don't trust the government?

Recommended by Anonymous (3, Interesting)

IronHalik (1568993) | more than 2 years ago | (#38809515)

IPpredator.se and anonine.se. Both from the freedom loving land of Sweden. You get SSL and PPTP with 2048kb or 128kb encryption (IPredator supports PPTP only IIRC).

PRQ (4, Interesting)

dissy (172727) | more than 2 years ago | (#38809531)

http://prq.se/?p=tunnel&intl=1 [prq.se]

PRQ is based in Sweden, and has their own ASN (read: they are their own network, connected to multiple upstream backbones)
They offer all types of services in addition to VPNs: colo, dedicated hosting, and shared hosting.

Their tunnels offer a static IP and no ports blocked (for running servers if that's your thing), so you'll want to provide your own firewalling. They use straight OpenVPN too.
They have a strict privacy policy and appear to follow it.

This is the same ISP that hosts the pirate bay too, which should give you an idea how they handle requests from certain other countries due to the whining of certain media cartels...

I've been a customer for awhile now and quite happy.
I am even planning to colo with them in the next couple of months if all goes well. (Previous data center I've been with has changed company names like three times now in the past six months, and now plans to jack their pricing up)

Test them (1)

PPH (736903) | more than 2 years ago | (#38809669)

1) Log on using someone else's credentials (someone you don't like).
2) Generate a file of random bytes.
3) Post it to a file sharing site through the proxy with an annotation that these are the final plans for World Jihad. Append "Allahu Akbar" for good measure.
4) See if the person who'd credentials you borrowed is dragged off to Gitmo.

Never underestimate traffic analysis... (1)

kbonin (58917) | more than 2 years ago | (#38809779)

Think what you could do with an unlimited budget and sufficient taps of peering and backbone links. Now add in CALEA backdoors with poor security, and think about how these scale. Now think about how anonymizers work. Now read up on traffic analysis. Don tin foil hat...

VPNs (1)

penguinman1337 (1792086) | more than 2 years ago | (#38809933)

IF you're really serious about security the best way is to find a non-logging vpn service, preferably one that's encrypted. US based companies are legally required to keep logs on their us based servers. Best bet is a sweedish server. It's not 100% but still much better than most options.

When it matters (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38810119)

When it really matters, and you don't want to rely on an open WiFi connection being available.

* Netbook/Laptop
* Fresh install of any convenient OS. Bonus for booting from USB.
* 3G USB modem - buy with cash.
* Prepaid 3G SIM chip - buy with cash.
* Voucher for prepaid SIM chip - buy with cash.

  If it really matters, destroy the SIM chip and 3G modem when done.

  Consider the possibility that you were recorded on CCTV when buying the SIM chip, the 3G modem, the voucher.
  The chance that the Powers That Be will trace the these to a given retail outlet and search back for CCTV is probably small, but if it matters enough, take appropriate steps - something simple might be OK, like wearing a Guy Fawkes mask while doing the shopping.
Buy your modem, simchip long before you need to use them. Top-up vouchers have a limited life, but are available everywhere. Choose somewhere without CCTV for buying this.

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