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Canadian SOPA Could Target YouTube

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the sopa-of-the-north dept.

Canada 231

bs0d3 writes "The music industry is seeking over a dozen changes to Canadian anti-piracy bill C-11, including website blocking, Internet termination for alleged repeat infringers, and an expansion of the "enabler" provision that is supposedly designed to target pirate sites. Meanwhile, the Entertainment Software Association of Canada also wants an expansion of the enabler provision along with further tightening of the already-restrictive digital lock rules. It's concerning that some of these expansions will create a risky situation for legitimate websites, as SOPA did in the U.S. Michael Geist outlines the legal history and complications here."

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iOS now has more marketshare than Android (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38821583)

It's official: iOS now has more marketshare than Android. Reuters reports that Apple completely erased Android's marketshare lead [reuters.com], confirming earlier reports by both Nielsen [nielsen.com] and NPD [gigaom.com]. Over 150 Android smartphones couldn't outcompete the iPhone 4S. With 37 million iPhones sold last quarter, Apple is the largest smartphone marker, and their profits exceed Google’s entire revenue, $13 billion to $10.6 billion. With 15 million iPads sold last quarter, the tablet market is now larger than the entire desktop PC market.

The clock is ticking, Fandroids.

Re:iOS now has more marketshare than Android (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38821937)

It's official: iOS now has more marketshare than Android. Reuters reports that Apple completely erased Android's marketshare lead, confirming earlier reports by both Nielsen and NPD. [etc]

Nice, but it needs a bit of expansion to become the spiritual heir to "*BSD is dying... Netcraft confirms it" that it so obviously wants to be.

Including the words "Netcraft confirms it", of course. ;-)

Oh, Canada (5, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#38821589)

Looks like the citizens of every country are going to have to stay on careful guard these days. When the music industry loses in one country, they just shift focus to another for a while (then later try to sneak back in under the radar where they lost). I guess they're hoping they have the money to wait everyone out. Sadly, they may be right.

Couldn't someone start a rumor that this bill is anti-French? At least that would get Quebec to come out against it. Of course, that's a pretty dubious ally. But you take what you can get.

Organized trolling campaign by GreatBunzinni (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38821607)

GreatBunzinni [slashdot.org] has been posting anonymous accusations [slashdot.org] listing a whole bunch of Slashdot accounts as being part of a marketing campaign for Microsoft, without any evidence. GreatBunzinni has accidentally outed himself [slashdot.org] as this anonymous poster. Half the accounts he attacks don't even post pro-Microsoft rhetoric. The one thing they appear to have in common is that they have been critical of Google in the past. GreatBunzinni has been using multiple accounts to post these "shill" accusations, such as Galestar [slashdot.org], NicknameOne [slashdot.org], and flurp [slashdot.org].

That's not the problem. The problem is that moderators gave him +5 Informative and are now modding down the accused, even for legitimate posts. Metamoderation is supposed to address this by filtering out the bad moderators, but clearly it's not working.

This "shill" crap that has been flying around lately has to stop. It's restricting a variety of viewpoints from participating on the site and creating an echo chamber.

Re:Organized trolling campaign by GreatBunzinni (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38822067)

Oh my god dude please shut the fuck up, dickface...

Re:Organized trolling campaign by GreatBunzinni (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38822151)

Alas, the great shill wars of 2012 have begun.

May they all choke on the fumes of flaming astroturf.

Re:Organized trolling campaign by GreatBunzinni (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38822315)

Thank you for your valuable counterpoint to elrous0's post.

Re:Oh, Canada (5, Insightful)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 2 years ago | (#38821721)

Typical MAFIAA tactics. If you get stepped on at home, go overseas and push your laws through, then come back to the US and push again, with the added excuse of 'This just gets us parity with $COUNTRY_X's laws. We need this to stay on parity with our treaties with them' and it goes through.

The SOPA war is far from over. Hell, we're just now seeing the openning skirmishes. Why doesn't the MAFIAA just come out and say 'All yer IP is belong to us' already and be done with it?

Re:Oh, Canada (0, Flamebait)

bonch (38532) | more than 2 years ago | (#38821775)

The use of terms like "MAFIAA" is as juvenile and distracting as the "Micro$oft" terminology of years past. It dilutes a solid argument and isn't needed.

Re:Oh, Canada (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38821897)

The companies which are members of the music and film industry associations of America like to hide behind their RIAA and MPAA acronyms. Turnabout is fair play.

Re:Oh, Canada (5, Insightful)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 2 years ago | (#38821935)

That is completely ignoring the fact that media companies grew directly out of the real mafia that ran saloons, music halls, theaters and "distribution" (trucking).

Re:Oh, Canada (0)

bonch (38532) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822423)

That the mafia ran some saloons and theaters almost a century ago has nothing to do with anything. The "MAFIAA" term is the new "Micro$oft." Using it risks making people who might normally listen to your argument dismiss you as a zealot. The argument is stronger without the term.

Re:Oh, Canada (4, Insightful)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822153)

Except the MAFIAA designation implies more than just one *AA group, and has thus come to refer to all the member of the media cartels. The "Micro$oft terminology" only referenced one company and was actually harder to type than their actual name.

I prefer to simply say MAFIAA, rather than RIAA, MPAA, Business Software Alliance (BSA), Entertainment Software Alliance (ESA), and all the other organizations that have come out in support of SOPA [wikipedia.org]. It may have started out as a jab, but for most, it's come to be representative of the supporters of this crap as a whole outside of the negative connotations of the name.

Re:Oh, Canada (2)

jd2112 (1535857) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822495)

The use of terms like "MAFIAA" is as juvenile and distracting as the "Micro$oft" terminology of years past. It dilutes a solid argument and isn't needed.

Not to mention that it is insulting to the mafia to lump them in with the music and movie industries. By comparison extortionists, murderers, drug traffickers and pimps are much more respectable than the MPAA/RIAA.

Re:Oh, Canada (5, Funny)

dumuzi (1497471) | more than 2 years ago | (#38821829)

Canada = Overseas? I know the USA education system has myopic geography but putting an ocean between Canada and the USA......wow.

Re:Oh, Canada (4, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#38821887)

Well, the Great Lakes are pretty big.

Re:Oh, Canada (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822479)

And form a minority of the border. I suppose if you include the great lakes and the St. Lawrence river, there IS water between the parts of Canada and the US that most Americans and Canadians are familiar with.

I like to tell Torontonians and Montrealers that they're not actually Canadians because they live south of the 49th parallel.

Re:Oh, Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38821957)

canada is overseas if you're in hawaii

Re:Oh, Canada (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822213)

Usually, they do go 'overseas' overseas. This time, they just went North for a change. Course, with Harper in office, one could almost claim they went offplanet this time.

Re:Oh, Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38822237)

"They can take our IP's but they can never take our freedom...?"

Re:Oh, Canada (4, Informative)

Nemyst (1383049) | more than 2 years ago | (#38821743)

At least Quebec didn't vote the Conservatives into power...

Re:Oh, Canada (1)

Formalin (1945560) | more than 2 years ago | (#38821879)

Yep, that's the rest of Canada's fault.

And guess which party is going to pass this bag of shit? They've been trying for years, but with a minority there was never enough support.

Re:Oh, Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38822571)

Why is this flamebait?

Quebec massively voted for the NPD, which is the official opposition in the parliament. It is the Canadians that voted conservative and, as always, manage to force a government on Quebec that they unanimously rejected. The GP is the troll here, and borderline racist.

Re:Oh, Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38821981)

Can't. The Harper First Reich has full power, they can do whatever they want. We're fucked here, someone please invade us.

Re:Oh, Canada (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822339)

Have y'all still got them oil sands? Dammit boys I smell WMDs! hope y'all like strip malls and burger joints!

Re:Oh, Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38821983)

I wish there would be an actual effective way to fight bad bills.

But no, no matter how much screaming, yelling, complaining, letter-writing, or opposition there is, this will pass just as easily as if it were a "don't stomp on kittens" bill.

Our voices count for even less in Canada than American voices do in the USA.

Re:Oh, Canada (1)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822169)

Our voices count for even less in Canada than American voices do in the USA.

Boy, if that isn't a fucking terrifying thought...

Re:Oh, Canada (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822511)

"Our voices count for even less in Canada than American voices do in the USA."

How do you figure? Both countries have free elections. And the ones in Canada are governed by functional campaign financing laws and feature parties that represent actual distinct choices.

Re:Oh, Canada (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38822005)

Troll much?

Quebec voted against the current Conservative government. We massively voted for the NPD, which is a party more interested in social issues and the people. The current party in power who's not listening to Canadian wasn't voted in by Quebec, it was voted in by the rest of Canada. Shocking EH! As a French speaker, born in Montreal, I can tell you that I dislike the "Office de la langue Française" and how they are obcess with protecting the french language and the culture. But who gives a fuck about that, this isn't what C-11 is about.

Seriously, modify your comments with black or jewish people instead of Quebec and ask yourself if you sound too much like a biggot. In Quebec, just like with the rest of Canada, we have protests about stuff that concerns all of us. We had the occupy movements in some of our cities, we had protests against being in Irak. Maybe you live in this world where Quebec is a bunch of separatists who don't care about the rest of Canada or the world, and if so, you've fallen in a bad stereotype, because that's not the case. If it was the case, Quebec wouldn't be part of Canada still, our provincial government wouldn't be the Liberals and we wouldn't have such a diverse culture from all over the world.

So, I hope you'll be more careful in the future, not just about Quebec, but about all cultures and all nations all over the world. Racist comments have no place in this day and age.

Poland Acta protest modelled on SOPA protests. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38822139)

Looks that some internationally coordinated action is needed indeed.

Response in kind would be to start discussing shortening those ridiculously 70 year IP rights for creative content. Note for pharmaceuticals it is only 12.
The MPAA/RIAA complex has up till SOPA always got their way thanks to a thoroughly corrupt US political system. There was also no downside risk.
Lets introduce that by responding to further meddling with shortening the duration to some reasonable 20 years.

http://www.sci-tech-today.com/news/Polish-Web-Sites-To-Protest-ACTA/story.xhtml?story_id=12100ESGM1AP
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/24/acta-protests-poland_n_1229110.html

Re:Oh, Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38822239)

Start a rumor ? I'd just wait for better weather. Freedom of Expression in French (or English) is an irritant to some Canadians, but it's genocide in Quebec.

Re:Oh, Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38822277)

Why is this troll modded insightful?

When X loses, they just shift focus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38822487)

to another for a while.

Been happening here in the US at the state level (Michigan, Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin, etc.) in the past several years.

you know (4, Insightful)

masternerdguy (2468142) | more than 2 years ago | (#38821627)

So it isn't just American stupidity then folks. Quit claiming your countries are so much more just and infallible.

Re:you know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38821765)

At least for this stupidity to show up in other countries it has to be written by US Lobbyists.

Re:you know (5, Insightful)

quacking duck (607555) | more than 2 years ago | (#38821795)

"We" voted the fundamentalist Conservative party into majority last year. Probably the ONLY reason bad laws weren't passed the last five years is they'd been kept in check with a minority. Infallible? Canada? Hah!

There's no stopping this crap bill or ACTA this time. The next federal election is 3 years away, people will have forgotten this by then (assuming they haven't been locked up in the new mega-prisons thanks to an massive crime and punishment bill that even Texas Republicans said was unworkable, having tried the same thing themselves and failed miserably).

Re:you know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38821995)

Get over yourself. The fact of the matter is that we listened to Canadians squak on about how dumb Americans are and it's a fascist nation. How many of you are going to admit that you're no better off for being the same way?
 
Just keep thinking you're better. You're getting bled just like everyone else.

except (4, Insightful)

unity100 (970058) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822065)

that you exported your shit over there. your idiocy in your own country allowed the private interests to set up a globe spanning racketeering operation.

Re:except (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822509)

that you exported your shit over there. your idiocy in your own country allowed the private interests to set up a globe spanning racketeering operation.

Believe me, if we had the power to stop it, we would.

Just like how if you had the power to stop it, you would.

It's bad enough that the world's governments could give 2 shits what their people think; no need to add insult to injury by being dicks to each other about it.

Where the Cons came from.. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38822503)

Look into the history of the top Canadian Conservative Party players. Not the vast majority of Cons that are no more than potted plants, or seals trained to bark and clap for their masters. From the politicians to the apparatchiks to the guys in the third party non-profits, you'll find that the key people are all close to the Republicans.

They've worked under the top republican spinmasters, the top republican spinmasters have worked under them. They've helped campaign for republicans in the US, then come back to implement the dirty tricks and lying, spinning, right wing corporate PR complex up north.

So if you guys could have kept all your fascists and their fascist training on your side of the border, that would've been great.

Re:you know (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822589)

I doubt it. Three years is a long time to remember a bill, unless it affects your daily life. And it will. When the RIAA starts pulling it's massive lawsuits up here and people start getting bitten by them, they'll remember. And that's not going to be over in three years.

If they pass this, it might well be the issue at the next election that gets the Conservatives smacked down to reconsider their platform.

Re:you know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38821807)

Listen you insensitive infidel, in my country, Somalia, we do not have this madness. None of it.

Re:you know (2, Insightful)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822263)

Hate to say, this is American stupidity, shipped North for your (non-)viewing pleasure.

Sorry bout that, but I didn't send them North.

Re:you know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38822463)

Just other countries emulating American governmental stupidity.

Re:you know (2)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822561)

You guys have had the DMCA since when? 2001? And have been pushing the rest of the world to adopt something similar ever since. Canada has held out for the last decade.

What was it you were saying about being just?

Down with the ESA kill E3 (2)

medv4380 (1604309) | more than 2 years ago | (#38821639)

I've had it. I liked the idea [penny-arcade.com] of requesting gamer journalists to refuse to cover E3 as long as the ESA supported SOPA, but I don't think that's enough anymore. If E3 is abandoned en mass then the ESA could easily die. They need to be turned into a public example to everyone else. This needs to become a year without E3.

Re:Down with the ESA kill E3 (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38821857)

The ESA pulled its support last week. http://kotaku.com/5877996/esa-drops-sopa-support [kotaku.com]

Re:Down with the ESA kill E3 (2)

medv4380 (1604309) | more than 2 years ago | (#38821943)

Entertainment Software Association of Canada also wants an expansion of the enabler provision along with further tightening of the already-restrictive digital lock rules.

That doesn't sound like giving up.

Canada (2)

0racle (667029) | more than 2 years ago | (#38821641)

Blindly doing whatever the US does.

Re:Canada (1)

tonywong (96839) | more than 2 years ago | (#38821715)

Blindly doing whatever the US wants.

Fixed that for you.

Re:Canada (1)

twotacocombo (1529393) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822207)

The US does not want this. Certain corporations want this. There is a huge difference between the two, so quit throwing the rest of us in with that greedy lot.

Re:Canada (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38822407)

Certain corporations ARE the USA. Citizens are meaningless. Citizens are merely a commodity... a consumable to be used and then discarded when no longer useful.

The USA DOES want this. The will of the people in either country is irrelevant.

Re:Canada (1)

Formalin (1945560) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822429)

Certain corporations that own the govn't, the govn't being the face of 'the US'.

Of course we know that's not what the people want, at least not all of them. I'd wager most have no idea, anyway.

It's a figure of speech. when people say 'the US' is in Iraq, it doesn't imply every american citizen is there, rather that the government or an agent of theirs is there.

we need a tech star chamber (4, Interesting)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 2 years ago | (#38821653)

Apple, Google, Microsoft, IBM, HP, Toshiba, Samsung and Comcast should just create a consortium.
The purpose of this consortium would be to buy up the media companies and put a bullet in their head .
It's time we stopped the tail from wagging the dog here. It's just good business.

Re:we need a tech star chamber (3, Interesting)

PRMan (959735) | more than 2 years ago | (#38821705)

Exactly. It even makes good investor sense for Google to buy, say, Universal or Viacom. Without buying them, one of their largest assets—YouTube—is in jeopardy. This even takes care of anti-trust issues.

Re:we need a tech star chamber (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38821751)

What do the six lattermost companies have to gain from this?

Re:we need a tech star chamber (1)

pscottdv (676889) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822099)

What do the six lattermost companies have to gain from this?

The ability to design products that do what the end-user wants instead of what the media companies demand.

Of course, if Sony is any indication, the evil from aquired media companies will spread through the entire organization like poison.

We need to get organized (1)

Sean (422) | more than 2 years ago | (#38821685)

We need to put serious pressure on the politicians to stop this. It's going to be harder than it was with SOPA because we don't have Silicon Valley backing us up.

Canada = another Commonwealth nanny state (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38821745)

That's not a compliment, eh ?

Re:Canada = another Commonwealth nanny state (1)

Phrogman (80473) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822309)

The problem is not how Socialist (look up the word, it has a different meaning outside of the US) Canada is or has been in the past - its how incredibly Right Wing our current Conservative government is. Yes, somehow my fellow Canadian citizens were STUPID enough to elect the worst politician this country has ever seen into a majority government. I don't expect that is going to get any better until (sadly) a lot of the older generation dies off (as people get older they tend to be more conservative and we have a big bubble of older citizens etc).
Harper does whatever the fuck he wants, taking his lead from whatever his masters in the Republican party tell him to do.

C-11 is NOTHING like SOPA, and milder then DMCA (4, Interesting)

JimCanuck (2474366) | more than 2 years ago | (#38821783)

Please, C-11 does nothing of the sort.

C-11 is really just renaming some things in the original copyright acts, doesn't change the fact you must go to court to prove your case before having someone's website pulled, charged or anything.

It adds a bunch of non-specifics about the WIPO Copyright Treaty (WCT in the law), that we signed and never actually changed our copyrights to agree with. Its you know only been 10 years since the Liberals signed it and had not done anything about it Federally.

Also, most of the law, is worded to match that agreement, especially relating to internet sharing, however, the law was written not targeting the "service providers" and "users" as the agreement was originally signed and the American's adopted it as the DMCA, it actually appears to only target the people who are hosting/running the services. Which is following the spirit of the Supreme Court ruling about P2P file sharing being legal, as long as your not advertising, or benefiting through the copyright infringement financially.

Which seems to be why they added this part:

(2.4) In determining whether a person has infringed copyright under subsection (2.3), the court may consider

(a) whether the person expressly or implicitly marketed or promoted the service as one that could be used to enable acts of copyright infringement;

(b) whether the person had knowledge that the service was used to enable a significant number of acts of copyright infringement;

(c) whether the service has significant uses other than to enable acts of copyright infringement;

(d) the person’s ability, as part of providing the service, to limit acts of copyright infringement, and any action taken by the person to do so;

(e) any benefits the person received as a result of enabling the acts of copyright infringement; and

(f) the economic viability of the provision of the service if it were not used to enable acts of copyright infringement.

It is all about whether your providing a "service" to aid in copyright infridgement. Not actually the users. MegaUpload = No good, Torrents/Gnutella shared among peoples personal computers = okay still.

Re:C-11 is NOTHING like SOPA, and milder then DMCA (5, Interesting)

mark-t (151149) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822163)

C11 contains explicit exemptions to copyright infringement under a "fair dealings" guideline, but simultaneously effectively revokes all of those exemptions if or whenever the work in question has any form of digital lock. It has absolutely no fair use exemptions to circumventing digital locks. You can be breaking the law under C-11 even without violating copyright! C11 is *FAR* more restrictive than the DMCA, which contains fair use exemptions to its provisions.

who told the music industry? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38821785)

Who told the music industry about the great firewall of China. It's quite obvious where they are getting their recent ideas.

Re:who told the music industry? (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822245)

Who told the music industry about the great firewall of China. It's quite obvious where they are getting their recent ideas.

Ideas borrowed from China?

Idiots! (5, Insightful)

Tyr07 (2300912) | more than 2 years ago | (#38821825)

You can't FORCE people to buy your product. You need to make your product desirable to buy!

Half the industry in any sector is doing this now. We're tired of being ripped off by paying to watch crappy movies, buy an entire CD when only one song is good, buy a video game to play it for five minutes then realize it sucks and so fourth. Demos are virtually gone, trailers are misleading, prices are higher out here for everything.

There have been movies streamed off the net I've watched. I was bored and had nothing to do. You assume I would buy it, some of these movies are TERRIBLE and I would have never bought it in the first place. I'd just find something else to do. You keep assuming any person who ever watched or listened to your content would have immediately bought it giving you $$$. You're wrong, so wrong.

I've played video games before buying them, like Mass Effect. After that I immediately bought it, and the second one as soon as it came out, and will immediately buy the 3rd as soon as it comes out too. That's because it was a quality product and I loved it.

I did the same thing with Starcraft 2, played it at a friends, loved it, bought it. I didn't buy it at release because I wasn't sure if I'd enjoy it.

I still haven't purchased SWTOR because I don't know if it's that good, I saw a few videos, haven't played it. For the cost versus time playing it, not worth it to me right now.

If I could play the first few levels to try it out and see if I like it, I might buy it. I work for my bloody money and I'm tired of every single person thinking their product is so good that they deserve some of my money!

So many artists would be ignored, people would not buy their music, or listen to it that much, watch movies by directors, go out to theater, recommend it to other people if the restrictions where always 100% you have to get some of my money before I get to know if it's worth it.

People would just do other things more and spend less time with digital media.

Actually, this could be doing society a FAVOR, we'll stop giving as much money to these corporations, spend more time at bars socializing or going to events.
Then we'd spend less money on huge TV's since we use it less, less on hard drives to store media, less on monitors.

I'm not saying it'd kill the industry, but they have this magic preconception that suddenly sales would super boom. They forget that people are strangled by high rents, gas prices and low wage jobs and that's a big chunk of why their crap isn't selling.

Re:Idiots! (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822549)

This right here is the problem. They've worked their way so deep into culture as a "you must have this product" thing that they don't realise no one really wants it. We buy their crap because we have to, in order to remain current and fulfil social functions; take away the monetary barrier and no one will look back. No one cares about the artists. We're not consuming it for art. When we do get art that we like, fans go to extremes to celebrate it: Daft Punk, Starcraft, Firefly; whatever. Unsurprisingly, these markets are rarely large enough for big names to throw money after them. They continue to misunderstand.

Those are the media that people really care about; they're the ones for which you'd donate to the artists. If people aren't willing to donate, then they don't really care. By not compensating the artists and the infrastructure that supports them, we express this. If we felt differently, we'd recognize our actions as wrong inherently instead of needing to be told with ridiculously ham-fisted and childish propaganda campaigns.

Dumbing down society! (1)

na1led (1030470) | more than 2 years ago | (#38821873)

I guess Canada will be the first to go back to the stone age! After they BAN the Internet, they'll have to BAN computers in-case people try to setup their own WAN by other means.

And when every website is blocked.... (1)

tekrat (242117) | more than 2 years ago | (#38821965)

The internet will be so useful!

I mean, every website will be blocked, or will be too afraid of lawsuits to post anything other than a blank page, and even when they do post material, some submarine patent or copyright troll will sue or have them taken down.

Even this website, Slashdot will be taken down because it LINKS to a copyrighted news story. Google will be useless, because every website can be copyrighted, and you can't link to copyrighted material.

So, the web will be entirely destroyed. The whole purpose of it -- to SHARE documents, will be lost in a sea of litigation over "intellectual property".

And then we can all go back to playing outside.

Re:And when every website is blocked.... (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822333)

And then we can all go back to playing outside.

Um, you realise there's this big scary yellow thing in the sky, right? I ain't goin out til somebody shoots it down.

And don't ask me to do it, they're making it illegal to own weapons down here.

Alternets? (1)

axlr8or (889713) | more than 2 years ago | (#38821969)

This kind of stuff begs teh question, what about alterdns servers. I mean, I'm asking. Because I want to know if there are any 'undernets' worth hookin up to.

Re:Alternets? (1)

na1led (1030470) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822287)

Using another DNS won't matter if your ISP is going to block you. Even using secure VPN connections and Proxies will be useless. The only other solution would be either a Wireless Mesh Network, but the FCC might put a stop to that, or back to the old Dialup BBS.

Lets kill them (1)

future assassin (639396) | more than 2 years ago | (#38821999)

You know it would be much cheaper for us all to donate to a fund and have all of the lobbyists that work for the record companies snuffed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOrgLj9lOwk [youtube.com]

Re:Lets kill them (1)

axlr8or (889713) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822171)

I and I''d do it, if you make me one of teh 1 percent! Its funny that you mention this. For the last 4 years Ive considered this and all I can say is there would be a lot of bloodshed. You'd have to kill them, AND their families, supporters, etc..., because you have to destroy an ideology. Well, thats a bit lofty for what it really is but...

Re:Lets kill them (1)

Jeng (926980) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822449)

There currently are no negative consequences for their actions which is why this behavior has continued, once there are consequences though you won't have to go though the trouble of killing their families.

Take out a couple high profile heads, such as Chris Dodd, and their replacements will think twice about what they are doing.

Don't be an idiot like that asshole who flew his plane into an IRS building in Austin. Killing minions will not only not change a thing, but will just piss off the general public against you.

Re:Lets kill them (2)

Jeng (926980) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822243)

Although I am truly all for this idea, you are aiming low. Cut the friggin head off by going for Chris Dodd directly, although the lobbyists are scum, they are following orders. Take out the person giving the orders and you neutralize the lobbyists.

Of course whomever would be crazy enough to do this would spend the rest of their life in jail.

I only suggest this because the law not only has no effect on these people, they can buy any law they want. Since the law is ineffective society needs needs other means to deal with this issue.

As far as Youtube is concerned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38822035)

I don't see what would be difficult or undesirable about having a protocol in place where Google would make a good-faith effort to notify copyright holders of infringing videos, and then take them down in a prompt fashion in response to a complaint by the holder. It would be understood that the detection and notification would not be perfect, but would improve over time with experience.

I somewhat hope they succeed.... (2)

Petron (1771156) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822103)

I kinda hope they succeed, pass the law and block YouTube, Facebook, and every site the feel might be infringing on a copyright.

Why? Simple. The backlash will force the law to be repealed, and it will forever be scarred into the memory of everybody on the planet, preventing other SOPA-like laws from being passed.

Eh? (4, Informative)

Dynedain (141758) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822119)

Wait, I though Canada had a levy on all CDs [wikipedia.org] and magnetic media (Flash as well?) so that the recording industry could get compensation for piracy?

They get compensation, and the power to block or take down sites? That seems like a bit too much of a handout to a particular industry for my tastes.

Re:Eh? (2)

mark-t (151149) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822251)

You misunderstand. The purpose of the levy is to compensate for private use copying, not piracy.

It is simply a matter of (entirely unsurprising) coincidence that people who pirate exploit these "private use" copying privileges to make themselves a copy, and then disregard the notion of "private", sharing the copies freely.

The fact that it's effectively unworkable to actually catch most of these people breaking the law does not mean that it is not actually against the law, any more than the fact that an overwhelming majority of people who drive faster than the speed limit and are not actually caught makes it legal to speed.

Re:Eh? (1)

quacking duck (607555) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822311)

Levy on CD-Rs, yes. On DVD-Rs, no. There was a levy on storage media including mp3 players, but that was revoked several years ago and AFAIK hasn't been reintroduced.

The recording industry in Canada long ago realized they messed up when they argued for, and won, the CD levy in the 90s. They totally missed the internet train, and DVDs. But instead of being at least somewhat reasonable about this new law, they want do double-dip by locking down media, locking up "pirates", and *still* continue collecting levies on storage media.

I really hope it does...... (1)

hesaigo999ca (786966) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822259)

And then we would see a giant, titan monolithic enterprise, backed probably by all other giants (considering they could be next )
and start to fend off any attempts by stupid politicians to put their nose in technologies they do not understand.

If we have a big fighting company stand ground against these old farts, they might get the notion, change the mentality and not the technology...
There are so many other options that they could easily adopt, that would make piracy fade away.....
but they would have to understand the problem first, which they still have no clue.

Also, not everything is pirated, or illegal if copied, so then you fall under another big category, which is misinformation.

Only problem is (2, Interesting)

TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822275)

Canadians are passive and will allow this to roll through largely uncontested, just like all the tariffs that are STILL slapped on anything that can play music in spite of the fact that most devices these days have online music stores built into them meaning the tariff is largely charged against people who are legitimately using these devices to buy music.

The fact is Canadians should rise up against the CRTC which largely allows the Big 3 Canadian telco's to charge whatever the f*ck they want for their [insert sh*ty] services without any consumer protection and then these telcos make it difficult for any "competitive" re-sellers to operate. CRTC is limiting what services like Netflix can bring into Canada. CRTC is allowing such bullshit as SOPA like FUD into Canada. CRTC is ensuring price fixing and regular gouging of customers through mandatory fee increases.

If there is any organization that is less in touch with the 21st century telecommunications is an organization that was set up for radio and television transmissions. If there is any organization less committed to protecting consumer rights, its the good ol' Canadian Radio and Television Commission.

I've already started my protest (1)

kawabago (551139) | more than 2 years ago | (#38822285)

I'm just not going to buy any new content, I won't steal it either. If there is something I just have to see I'll record it on my PVR and skip the commercials. If everyone does this together we can bring down the MPAA and RIAA. Just stop giving them money which they will use to harm you.
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