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138 comments

iOS now has more marketshare than Android (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38830927)

It's official: iOS now has more marketshare than Android. Reuters reports that Apple completely erased Android's marketshare lead [reuters.com] , confirming earlier reports by both Nielsen [nielsen.com] and NPD [gigaom.com] . Over 150 Android smartphones couldn't outcompete the iPhone 4S. With 37 million iPhones sold last quarter, Apple is the largest smartphone marker, and their profits exceed Google’s entire revenue, $13 billion to $10.6 billion. Finally, with 15 million iPads sold last quarter, the tablet market is now larger than the entire desktop PC market.

Remember that Slashdot triumphantly posted in January 2011 about Android surpassing iOS in marketshare [slashdot.org] . A year later when the opposite happens? Not a peep. Talk about bias.

Re:iOS now has more marketshare than Android (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38830977)

I just hate how anti-Apple Slashdot is.

*snark*

Re:iOS now has more marketshare than Android (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38834481)

Shit, I better run out and buy an iPad, so I'm in the next wave of people who realise how cool they are! But then again... why? So I can have DRM? So I can't do what I want with my phone?

SOUNDS AWESOME! WHERE DO I SIGN UP?

Organized troll campaign by GreatBunzinni (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38830945)

GreatBunzinni [slashdot.org] has been posting anonymous accusations [slashdot.org] listing a whole bunch of Slashdot accounts as being part of a marketing campaign for Microsoft, without any evidence. GreatBunzinni has accidentally outed himself [slashdot.org] as this anonymous poster. Half the accounts he attacks don't even post pro-Microsoft rhetoric. The one thing they appear to have in common is that they have been critical of Google in the past. GreatBunzinni has been using multiple accounts to post these "shill" accusations, such as Galestar [slashdot.org] , NicknameOne [slashdot.org] , and flurp [slashdot.org] .

That's not the problem. The problem is that moderators gave him +5 Informative and are now modding down the accused, even for legitimate posts. Metamoderation is supposed to address this by filtering out the bad moderators, but clearly it's not working.

This "shill" crap that has been flying around lately has to stop. It's restricting a variety of viewpoints from participating on the site and creating an echo chamber.

Re:Organized troll campaign by GreatBunzinni (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38831501)

Aww... do you need a tissue?

Slashdot is dead (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38830951)

Infiltrated by Google employees and well-wishers, Slashdot consistently offers justifications for every bad behavior and terrible decision coming from Google. Just look at the privacy changes article in which fanboys banded together to make sure Google was perceived as the good guy and that anyone critical of them was modbombed.

Just to recap, Google is a multibillion dollar advertising megacorporation that was caught by the German government sniffing people's wifi data (they "accidentally" did it for three years before admitting it only when authorities threatened an investigation), forced people to use real names on Google+ and admitted it was an identity service and not a social network, stuffed Google+ results into the search engine without any competing social networks even though they have those networks indexed by the search engine (hello, Microsoft tactics), said that the only people who care about privacy "have something to hide," hacked into Mocality to call its customers, removed H.264 support in Chrome out of "openness" only to turn around and ship the closed-source Flash plugin, withheld Android source from the public but shared it with privileged hardware partners so they could have a leg up, abused their Android compatibility program to make things difficult for smartphone makers who chose Bing over Google, and on and on and on.

With all this crap they pull that would get them completely trashed if they were Microsoft or any other company, there's one reason and one reason only that they have been propped up as the good guy on Slashdot all these years--Linux. They use Linux. Slashdot is a Linux advocacy site, and so because Google uses Linux, they are good guys and get a pass for everything. That's all it takes to get Slashdot to love you. Just use Linux.

Hypocrites. When Microsoft used their Windows monopoly revenues to fund development of Internet Explorer and release it for free to try to dominate the web market, everyone here cried "antitrust!" But when Google uses its web search monopoly revenues to fund development of Android and release it for free to try to dominate smartphones, everyone defends it. For anyone who was on Slashdot during those times, to see Google doing all the very same things Microsoft did but get a completely different reaction is surreal.

Slashdot is a bubble. You only get pro-Google, pro-Linux news. Major news occurring elsewhere is often days late, if it gets reported at all. The Google+ search results fiasco is huge all over the tech sites right now, but there's nothing about it here, as if it doesn't even exist as a controversy. And did you know iOS surpassed Android in marketshare by the end of 2011 according to three research firms? With how obsessed Slashdot is over marketshare, and how they constantly trumpeted Android's marketshare all the time as a victory last year, you'd think it would be big news. But, no. This is pro-Google territory, pro-Linux territory. Gotta keep the natives happy for more page views.

This will get modded down because trolls have taken over the moderation system and openly subvert it. That's fine. It just proves my point about how Slashdot reacts to anything outside the partyline. This site's news reporting is old, antiquated, and slow, but the news isn't even why people come here anymore. The part of the community still remaining (after its years-long exodus to Reddit, Hacker News, and other sites, which is why traffic has decreased so dramatically on most Slashdot stories today) only comes here to pat themselves on the back for thinking a certain way. "Yeah, Microsoft is still evil! Yeah, Google is still the good guy! Yeah, Apple is still for chumps!" It's the year 2000 forever on Slashdot.

Say no to ... (2)

Local ID10T (790134) | more than 2 years ago | (#38830979)

Just say no to ACTA.

Re:Say no to ... (5, Informative)

The Archon V2.0 (782634) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831003)

The people say "no", but their masters seem pretty eager to say "yes".

Re:Say no to ... (5, Insightful)

johnvile (2560845) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831089)

There Masters aren't saying "Yes" there saying "yes yes yes" whilst the American government rams law up there ass.

Re:Say no to ... (5, Insightful)

Dyinobal (1427207) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831393)

It isn't so much the American government as the corporations, who don't really have a nationality.

Re:It isn't so much (5, Insightful)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831427)

Borrowing Animal Farm:

"And then they looked from the government to the corporation, from the corporations back to the government, and they were unable to tell the difference."

Re:Say no to ... (2)

DragonTHC (208439) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832189)

back to school, you!

Re:Say no to ... (1)

johnvile (2560845) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832989)

Its to late 4 me. Just save thyself if you can?

Re:Say no to ... (1)

Hentes (2461350) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832199)

Not trying to defend ACTA but the final version of it had changed a lot during the negotiations so claiming that they did what America told them is not true.

Re:Say no to ... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38833251)

How can you tell? The final version still isn't publicly available. Whose word are you believing?

They have every reason to (4, Insightful)

Brain-Fu (1274756) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832781)

The wealthy members of every nation are, naturally, united in their desire to remain wealthy. The introduction of globally-enforced artificial scarcity appears to be a great way of doing that. It isn't like the wealthy members of EU would rather see ACTA vanish, but are bowing their heads in submission to America. They are happily jumping at the chance to enter into such an agreement, because it directly benefits them. Or so they think.

Such oppression will only fan the flames of rebellion, and law enforcement will always have limits.

Re:Say no to ... (1)

davester666 (731373) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831277)

Only because the masters masters ordered them to say "yes, please".

Re:Say no to ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38833139)

Elected representatives aren't the masters of anyone. They may misrepresent, and get voted out, but ultimately they are paid to do what the electorate want. It's not their, yours or my fault that the electorate, in general, are clueless about the power they are giving people, and not being picky who they give it to.

Re:Say no to ... (2)

turbidostato (878842) | more than 2 years ago | (#38834535)

"ultimately they are paid to do what the electorate want"

Except when they aren't.

Electorate: we'll pay you 100.000 eur/year to do your job now.

Megacorp: do your job now and I'll pay you 2.000.000 eur/year plus bonus and benefits to do basically nothing except getting to know the kind of people that will make you these kind of offers (a decorative VP).

Now, who do you think that *really* pay them ultimately?

Re:Say no to ... (1)

Saintwolf (1224524) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831011)

Or say yes to no ACTA.

WtF?!? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38831233)

Just say no to ACTA.

What the fuck numbnuts? Do you think we're the general public dumb fuckers who fall for such dipshit bumper sticker drivel?

Re:Say no to ... (2)

Zumbs (1241138) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831461)

... but, but we are being paid so much money to say yes. Besides, how can we refuse those nice people when they pull out the puppies?

Re:Say no to ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38833657)

We need a ribbon sticker.

Portman (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38830983)

"Trollin', Trollin', Trollin',
perl scripts a' pollin',
keep on slashdot trollin',
Portman!
Mae Ling Mak and First Post,
So I can now boast,
Wishin' my gal was petrified.
All the things I'm missin',
My Karma, baths, and wimmin,
I don't care, or else I'd cry!

CHORUS
Click 'em on, post 'em up
Post 'em up, click 'em on
Click 'em on, post 'em up
Portman!
Click 'em on, post 'em up
Post 'em up, click 'em on
Click 'em on, post 'em up
Portman!

Keep movin', movin', movin',
Though they're disapprovin',
Keep them fingers movin,
Portman!
Don't try to understand 'em,
Just post and reprimand 'em,
Soon we'll be trollin' far and wide!
My porn's stimulatin'
My right hand will be achin'
I don't care or else I'd cry!

Portman!
Portman!

Sure its my signature (3, Insightful)

Ragun (1885816) | more than 2 years ago | (#38830991)

Sure, its my signature, but I take no responsibility for any decisions.

Gotta love politics.

Nice.. (1, Troll)

No, I am Spratacus! (2281684) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831007)

Such a lively, relevant discussion!

Rob (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38831033)

Slashdot's gone cold I'm wondering why I got out of bed at all
The morning rain clouds up my window and I can't see at all
And even if I could it'll all be gray but your picture on my wall
It reminds me, that it's not so bad -- it's not so bad

Dear Rob, I wrote but you still ain't callin
I left my email, my ICQ, and my yahoo chat at the bottom
I sent two emails back in autumn, you must not-a got 'em
There probably was a problem with your sendmail or somethin
Sometimes I scribble email addees too sloppy when I jot 'em
but anyways; fsck it, what's been up? Man how's your boxes?
My boxes is linux too, I'm bout to be a compiler
once I learn gcc,
I'ma go on and compile for hours
I read about your Palm Pilot too I'm sorry
I had a friend lose his Palm over at the airport in Maradonna
I know you probably hear this everyday, but I'm your biggest fan
I even read all your bullshit Linux news and Microsoft's man
I got a room full of your posters and your pictures man
I like the way you sold your ass out too, that shit was fat
Anyways, I hope you get this man, hit me back,
just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan
This is Stan

Dear Rob, you still ain't called or wrote, I hope you have a chance
I ain't mad - I just think it's FSCKED UP you don't answer fans
If you didn't wanna talk to me outside your Linux World
you didn't have to, but you coulda signed an autograph for Matthew
That's my Senior sys admin he's only 26 years old
We waited on a 9600 baud for you,
four hours and you just said, "No."
That's pretty shitty man - you're like his fsckin idol
He wants to be just like you man, he likes you more than I do
I ain't that mad though, I just don't like bein lied to
Remember when we met in Boston - you said if I'd write you
you would write back - see I'm just like you in a way
I never had a clue about shit either
I gcc'd shit with my wife then beat her
I can relate to what you're saying in your page
so when I feel like rmusering I read Slashdot to begin the rage
cause I don't really got shit else so that shit helps when I'm depressed
I even got a tattoo of slashdot across the chest
Sometimes I even packet myself to see how much it floods
It's like adrenaline, the DDoS is such a sudden rush of blood
See everything you say is real, and I respect you cause you tell it
My girlfriend's jealous cause I talk about you 24/7
But she don't know you like I know you Rob, no one does
She don't know what it was like for people like us growin up
You gotta call me man, I'll be the biggest fan you'll ever lose
Sincerely yours, Stan -- P.S.
We should be together too

Dear Mister-I'm-Too-Good-To-Waste-A-Packet-On-My-Fans,
this'll be the last packet I ever send your ass
It's been six months and still no word - I don't deserve it?
I know you got my last two emails
I wrote the @ signs on 'em perfect
So this is my payload I'm sending you, I hope you hear it
I'm on my modem now, I'm doing 9600 baud so fear it
Hey Rob, I drank a fifth of vodka, you dare me to code?
You know the song by Deep Purple or Slayer
its irrelevant by playing on my linux player
while I write some php scripts and play some Dragonslayer
That's kinda how shit is, you coulda rescued me from drowning
Now it's too late - I'm on a 1000 downloads now, I'm drowsy
and all I wanted was a lousy letter or a call
I hope you know I ripped +ALL+ of your pictures off the wall
I love you Rob, we coulda been together, think about it
You ruined it now, I hope you can't sleep and you dream about it
And when you dream I hope you can't sleep and you SCREAM about it
I hope your conscience EATS AT YOU and you can't BREATHE without me
See Rob {*screaming*} Shut up bitch! I'm tryin to code
Hey Rob, that's my senior admin screamin from the comode
but I didn't cut the power off, I just rebooted, see I ain't like you
cause if rm -rf'd we'd suffer more, and then the boxes die too
Well, gotta go, I'm almost BGP bridged now
Oh shit, I forgot, how'm I supposed to send this packet out?

Dear Stan, I meant to write you sooner but I just been busy
You said your box is running now, how'd you like your gcc?
Look, I'm really flattered you would install 7.0 Redhat
and here's an autograph for your senior sys admin
I wrote it on the Starter cap
I'm sorry I didn't see you at the show, I musta missed you
Don't think I did that shit intentionally just to diss you
But what's this shit you said about you like to DDoS lamers too?
I say that shit just clownin dog,
c'mon - how fucked up is you?
You got some issues Stan, I think you need some counseling
so heres some more Linux stories to keep your ass busy when you get down some
And what's this shit about us meant to be together?
I sold Slashdot for thousands so now I'm a single jetsetter
I really think you and your boxes need each other
or maybe you just need to treat them better
I hope you get to read this letter, I just hope it reaches you in time
before you hurt yourself, I think that you'll be doin just fine
if you relax a little, I'm glad I inspire you but Stan why are you so mad? Try to understand, that Linux and MS is just grand
I just don't want you to do some crazy shit
I seen this one shit on the news a couple weeks ago that made me sick
Some dude was drunk and switched his router for a bridge
and his packets were blackholed, and his DNS couldn't get digged
and in the colo they found a tape, but they didn't say who it was to
Come to think about, his name was.. it was you
Damn!

The first Slashdot troll post investigation (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38831057)

The last few months I have been doing some research into the trolling phenomenon on slashdot.org. In order to do this as thoroughly as possible, I have written both normal and troll posts, 1st posts, etc., both logged in and anonymously, and I have found these rather shocking results:

* More moderator points are being used to mod posts down than up. Furthermore, when modding a post up, every moderator seems to follow previous moderators in their choices, even when it's not a particularly interesting or clever post slashdot.org. There are a LOT more +5 posts than +3 or +4.

* Logged in people are modded down faster than anonymous cowards. Presumably these Nazi Moderators think it's more important to burn a user's existing karma, to silence that individual for the future, than to use the moderation system for what it's meant for : identifying "good" and "bad" posts (Notice how nearly all oppressive governments in the past and present do the same thing : marking individuals as bad and untrustworthy because they have conflicting opinions, instead of engaging in a public discussion about these opinions)

* Once you have a karma of -4 or -5, your posts have a score of -1 by default. When this is the case, no-one bothers to mod you down anymore. This means a logged in user can keep on trolling as much as he (or she) likes, without risking a ban to post on slashdot. When trolling as an anonymous user, every post starts at score 0, and you will be modded down to -1 ON EVERY POST. When you are modded down a certain number of times in 24 hour, you cannot post anymore from your current IP for a day or so. So, for successful trolling, ALWAYS log in.

* A lot of the modded down posts are actually quite clever, funny, etc., and they are only modded down because they are offtopic. Now, on a news site like slashdot, where the number of different topics of discussion can be counted on 1 hand, I must say I quite like the distraction these posts offer. But no, when the topic is yet another minor version change of the Linux kernel, they only expect ooohs and aaahs about this great feat of engineering. Look at the moderation done in this thread to see what I mean.
Digging deep into the history of slashdot, I found this poll, which clearly indicates the vast majority does NOT want the moderation we have here today. 'nuff said.

Feel free to use this information to your advantage. I thank you for your time.

Anonymous cowards are... well, cowards.

Re:The first Slashdot troll post investigation (1, Insightful)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831245)

Regarding your starred points, apparently copied and pasted from somewhere else because you're missing the hyperlink about the poll:

* Hyperbolic moderation is common in all environments. This is why YouTube eliminated a 1-5 star rating system in favour of thumbs up/thumbs down. As for modding down first? People hold negative opinions more readily than positive ones. That's nothing new; that's a symptom of the sickness of human culture, just like soap operas, tabloids, and Fox News. If you want people to up-moderate first, you need a community of enlightened people.

* Thresholds have a lot to do with this. Someone with a karma bonus may show up at +2 by default; once a post is down to 0 some people may not even see it any more. It's an "out of sight, out of mind" thing.

* Thresholds again. No one hears your screams.

* That's kinda subjective and up to debate.

Re:The first Slashdot troll post investigation (4, Informative)

bonch (38532) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831269)

You're responding to a repaste of a classic troll post [kuro5hin.org] from ten years ago.

Re:The first Slashdot troll post investigation (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831689)

Thought as much. Then let the rebuttals also be copied and pasted!

Re:The first Slashdot troll post investigation (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833699)

How about just not feeding the trolls? Ignore them. If you respond, they've won, no matter how insightful your answer to them is.

Re:The first Slashdot troll post investigation (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833907)

That works too.

bonch is a shill account (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38834719)

The people behind the bonch user account use it to manipulate discussions to a more Apple-friendly, anti-Google slant.

They also employ other user accounts in their astroturfing campaign, such as SharkLaser, DCTech, TechGZ, insightin140bytes, InterestingFella and Overly critical guy.

Re:The first Slashdot troll post investigation (2, Insightful)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831283)

The last few months I have been doing some research into the trolling phenomenon on slashdot.org. In order to do this as thoroughly as possible, I have written both normal and troll posts, 1st posts, etc., both logged in and anonymously, and I have found these rather shocking results:

* More moderator points are being used to mod posts down than up. Furthermore, when modding a post up, every moderator seems to follow previous moderators in their choices, even when it's not a particularly interesting or clever post slashdot.org. There are a LOT more +5 posts than +3 or +4.

* Logged in people are modded down faster than anonymous cowards. Presumably these Nazi Moderators think it's more important to burn a user's existing karma, to silence that individual for the future, than to use the moderation system for what it's meant for : identifying "good" and "bad" posts (Notice how nearly all oppressive governments in the past and present do the same thing : marking individuals as bad and untrustworthy because they have conflicting opinions, instead of engaging in a public discussion about these opinions)

* Once you have a karma of -4 or -5, your posts have a score of -1 by default. When this is the case, no-one bothers to mod you down anymore. This means a logged in user can keep on trolling as much as he (or she) likes, without risking a ban to post on slashdot. When trolling as an anonymous user, every post starts at score 0, and you will be modded down to -1 ON EVERY POST. When you are modded down a certain number of times in 24 hour, you cannot post anymore from your current IP for a day or so. So, for successful trolling, ALWAYS log in.

* A lot of the modded down posts are actually quite clever, funny, etc., and they are only modded down because they are offtopic. Now, on a news site like slashdot, where the number of different topics of discussion can be counted on 1 hand, I must say I quite like the distraction these posts offer. But no, when the topic is yet another minor version change of the Linux kernel, they only expect ooohs and aaahs about this great feat of engineering. Look at the moderation done in this thread to see what I mean.
Digging deep into the history of slashdot, I found this poll, which clearly indicates the vast majority does NOT want the moderation we have here today. 'nuff said.

Feel free to use this information to your advantage. I thank you for your time.

Anonymous cowards are... well, cowards.

I think that your results aren't shocking at all, nor are they interesting.

1) More of your posts are modded down than up because, as you say, you write troll posts. I have 10 posts modded up per post modded down, and yes, when I get modded down it's normally because I'm in a bad mood and decide to be a jerk.

2) Many moderators seem to read at +1, so they don't even see things that come from unmoderated ACs. Furthermore, when I moderate I tend not to bother modding down an AC for being off topic, for instance, because at 0 the AC probably won't be noticed enough to derail meaningful discussion. If a registered user with good karma posts something quite off topic, there's more of a reason to down moderate because at 2 it's more of a speed bump than the same post made by an AC at 0.

3) So? Why should anyone care?

4) This last point depends on your personal ability to evaluate whether things are clever, funny, etc. Based your post, I don't think you're likely to be a valuable resource in this regard.

It's almost like you're trying to insinuate that moderators act in some sort of diabolical cooperation. This obviously isn't the case. Slashdot uses crowd sourced moderation, which is what makes it Slashdot. More valued members of the community try to maintain the standards of that community. I actually think Slashdot moderation is one of the most functional things in the history of the internet.

Re:The first Slashdot troll post investigation (1)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 2 years ago | (#38834699)

The last few months I have been doing some research into the trolling phenomenon on slashdot.org.
More moderator points are being used to mod posts down than up

That's what happens when you troll a lot. I've made well over a hundred posts in the last year, and only a couple were modded down, while the majority of them were modded up, with dozens reaching +5. My experience - which does not include trolling - is that moderators overwhelmingly tend to mod posts upwards.

French MEP calls it a 'charade' (5, Informative)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831061)

A French MEP has quit the process of scrutinising ACTA for the European Parliament, calling the treaty's passage through the EU legislative system a masquerade.

In a statement on Thursday, Kader Arif denounced the signing of ACTA (the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement) by the EU and 21 member states earlier in the day. He said the European Parliament was being undermined and the process was a "charade" in which he would no longer participate.
(..)
"I want to denounce as the greatest of all the process that led to the signing of this agreement: no association of civil society, lack of transparency from the beginning of negotiations, successive postponements of the signing of the text without any explanation being given, setting aside the claims of the European Parliament [despite those views being] expressed in several resolutions of our Assembly," Arif said, according to an automated translation of his statement.

Arif said he had as rapporteur "faced unprecedented manoeuvres of the right of Parliament to impose an accelerated schedule to pass the agreement as soon as possible before the public is alerted, thereby depriving Parliament of its right of expression and the tools at its disposal to carry the legitimate demands of citizens".
(...)
"This agreement may [have a] major impact on the lives of our citizens, and yet everything is done [so that] the European Parliament has no say," Arif said. "I will not participate in this charade."

http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/communication-breakdown-10000030/mep-quits-acta-charade-in-protest-at-eu-signing-10025297/ [zdnet.co.uk]

Re:French MEP calls it a 'charade' (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38831147)

"I want to denounce as the greatest of all the process that led to the signing of this agreement: no association of civil society, lack of transparency from the beginning of negotiations, successive postponements of the signing of the text without any explanation being given, setting aside the claims of the European Parliament [despite those views being] expressed in several resolutions of our Assembly," Arif said, according to an automated translation of his statement.

Shortly after, the automated translation was pulled and the text now reads "I totally agree with ACTA! Hoo-ah!", as read the original statement by the French MEP.

Re:French MEP calls it a 'charade' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38831181)

by 'legitimate demands of citizens' he is talking about corporations, right? Holy crap, we have surpassed Animal Farm, where everyone is equal but some more than others -- not only are they not pigs, these corporations don't even exist yet they have the status to be called citizens.

Re:French MEP calls it a 'charade' (2)

Trepidity (597) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831463)

Much as in Animal Crossing, however, you are still free to weed your garden to keep it looking tidy.

Re:French MEP calls it a 'charade' (1)

Carewolf (581105) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833377)

No, he is talking about real citizens. The side he is on. He is complaining about the bill being first postponed and then rushed through with surprise tactics.

Re:French MEP calls it a 'charade' (1)

o'reor (581921) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831263)

Thanks for posting that, you beat me to it :-)

Re:French MEP calls it a 'charade' (-1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831445)

But the whole point of the EU is to put power in the hands of unelected bureaucrats rather than the people of Europe. Bit late to complain about that now.

Re:French MEP calls it a 'charade' (4, Interesting)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831785)

Funny.

Yesterday people were asking "How can I move from the US to the EU?" in praise of the EU's anti-corporate actions. But today the EU demonstrated it's really no different..... the bureaucrats/politicians are bought and sold by the corporate elite in the same fashion.

"Yeah... they want to control the internet. They can't wait to silence freedom of speech and yank websites." - Ron Paul.

BTW they are already doing this in Russia. Any website that dares to challenge Putin or his party are accused of "using copyright-infringing software" and their computers immediately seized. The end. Copyright is being used to control the People and silence dissent.

Re:French MEP calls it a 'charade' (2)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832503)

There's still the EP. They have voted against ACTA before.

Re:French MEP calls it a 'charade' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38833433)

The signature doesn't mean much... It has to pass in the European Parliament, and the MEP's are VERY butthurt because how this whole treaty was arranged.

Re:French MEP calls it a 'charade' (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832255)

Not saying they are great. But they are a whole lot better than what we had until now.

They gave a *real* punishment to Microsoft. (Things like: $x million a *day* until they pay up *and* change Windows.)
They punished Germany for not removing the Deutsche Telekom (ex-government phone company) monopoly quickly enough.
And lots of similar actually good things.

The problem is, that any group can only stand against professional social engineering for so long. And I guess with them being information science n00bs, it was pretty easy to make them actually believe one could "own" information.
Hell, even some 'tards here on /. believe in "IP", use the word as if it was normal, and really think that it would have anything to do with "protecting artists", rather than enslaving them. And they believe it because of the very same brainwashing that they don't have the power to fight.

Re:French MEP calls it a 'charade' (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832075)

And yet 22 EU countries signed the damned thing.

Meaningless of course til it's ratified, but that won't stop the lobbyists in the US from pushing through all kinds of nasty shit like SOPA and PIPA. Gotta keep up with the Euros, ya know. And if the member-states of the EU don't ratify this, oh, well, at least American copyrights are safe the world over now. Send in the Marines & the lawyers, there's money to loot!

BSD is dying (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38831079)

It is now official. Netcraft has confirmed: *BSD is dying
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be the Amazing Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

How to act against ACTA (5, Informative)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831115)

Re:How to act against ACTA (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38831349)

And for US citizens, you can sign a petition [whitehouse.gov] to challenge ACTA after being signed into law as an executive agreement -- which doesn't require approval -- when it covers intellectual property, which requires ratification in Congress. Techdirt has more information [techdirt.com] .

If you want to go further, you can contact Senator Ron Wyden [wikipedia.org] , who also questions the constitutionality of ACTA [slashdot.org] .

Not really - it's a non-implementing agreement (2)

Theaetetus (590071) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833091)

And for US citizens, you can sign a petition [whitehouse.gov] to challenge ACTA after being signed into law as an executive agreement -- which doesn't require approval -- when it covers intellectual property, which requires ratification in Congress.

I think you're making an unsupported leap there in that "doesn't require approval". TechDirt suggests that that could be true, but doesn't say it's more than "a pretty strong argument".

It's also an incorrect argument. Contrary to what TechDirt thinks about ACTA, it's non-implementing. In that sense, it's exactly the same as TRIPs, which was also an "executive agreement... cover[ing] intellectual property," but was never ratified by Congress. Instead, Congress passed the Uruguay Round Agreements Act, which implemented the agreement in TRIPs.

Same thing here... there's no requirement that ACTA be ratified by Congress, because ACTA doesn't actually set or modify any statutes. Instead, it places obligations on the country to write statutes granting certain minimum levels of protection. Congress will have to pass bills doing so, so it's not as if anything is implemented by ACTA without Congress' approval.

And that's going to be the White House's answer to any petition demanding ACTA be ratified by the Congress. There's no requirement, and Congress can weigh in when they write an implementing act.

Not all of EU signed... yet (4, Informative)

korgitser (1809018) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831139)

I am from Estonia and our internet community has managed to put the ACTA issues into the public debate here. The politicians still seem unwilling to tackle the issues raised; furthermore, it seems they were about to sign it without reading it - even to the point where our local RIAA lackey was the one explaining the "governments position" on the TV yesterday. I do not know where this will end and while our government seems to be afraid to say no, we will not go down without a fight.

Re:Not all of EU signed... yet (2)

edgrale (216858) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831341)

Countries that signed are "EU and its Member States that signed the Agreement at this ceremony are: the EU, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxemburg, Malta, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and the United Kingdom) "

http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/economy/i_property/acta1201.html

Re:Not all of EU signed... yet (2)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832153)

What I find odd is that Germany didn't sign it. That's the biggest economic power in the EU. I'd like to see the reason for that.

There's your answer. (3, Insightful)

zooblethorpe (686757) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832581)

What I find odd is that Germany didn't sign it. That's the biggest economic power in the EU. I'd like to see the reason for that.

I think you've answered your own question. They are solidly standing on their own feet, and thus are less willing to bend over in response to bullying.

Re:There's your answer. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38833469)

Sadly not. Germany's chancellor Angela Merkel couldn't bend over more for her American heroes. Germany doesn't need to be bullied. The conservative party just needs to find a way to get ACTA past the populace without catapulting the Pirate Party into all state parliaments at the earliest opportunity. The conservatives are also somewhat hampered by their junior partner, the liberal democrats, whose Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger is head of the ministry of justice and annoyingly appears to have a spine. If it weren't for these minor obstacles, Germany would have been on that list.

Re:There's your answer. (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38833901)

For our American and Canadian readers; in Germany (and most other European countries) every vote counts. This means that your % of popular vote more or less directly translates into % of seats. This is called "equal representation".

For our European friends; in the US and Canada not every vote counts. Take for instance Canada. For Federal/National elections, the country is being cut in 388 little areas, called "ridings". The best way to explain is that, aside from a "national election" with "national candidates" being fought in the media, there's actually at the same time some sort of municipal election going on. The actual voting is riding-based (you don't vote for the "party leader", you vote for -if you win- some backbencher that happens to live in your neighbourhood).
Let's assume that in all ridings, the party "AA-Friends" gets 40% of the vote, the party "Neutral" gets 31% and the Pirate Party of Canada wins 29%. In that case, all ridings are won by the AA-Friends and they rule with a 100% majority, while Neutral and PPoC get no seats at all, even though together they hold 60% of the popular vote. In reality of course, the ridings are not all won by the same party, but the truth is that with less than 40% of the popular vote the Conservatives do hold a majority in parliament.

So while Canada and the US won't see any threat by "independent" candidates, in Germany it's a very, very real danger. Luckily for us, this also extends to the European Parliament where IPR-related matters are decided.

Re:Not all of EU signed... yet (4, Informative)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831363)

I do not know where this will end and while our government seems to be afraid to say no, we will not go down without a fight.

The Poles are fighting it, too. [bbc.co.uk]

Re:Not all of EU signed... yet (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832053)

I've been on the big protest on Wednesday, and as of now several more protests are being planned throughout the country. There's one for tommorow in Warsaw.

What I can't understand is what the fuck is our prime minister doing, thinking he can ignore the voice of tens of thousands of angry people on the streets. It's basically the biggest protest in 30 years, and that previous one was the whole "Solidarnosc" thing.

We are fucking outraged at our gov't.
They will not get re-elected.

Re:Not all of EU signed... yet (1)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832197)

What I can't understand is what the fuck is our prime minister doing, thinking he can ignore the voice of tens of thousands of angry people on the streets. It's basically the biggest protest in 30 years, and that previous one was the whole "Solidarnosc" thing.

Oh, that little protest? The one that basically toppled the communist regime? Yeah, I think you Poles do take your protests seriously.

Re:Not all of EU signed... yet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832881)

Hm, that little protest, yep, haven't been there, haven't seen that, I'm kind of too young. But what did it buy us? We've traded the blood of the protesters for a nicer illusion of freedom and democracy, as our gov't has showed us. This is the new shit, same as the old shit!

Re:Not all of EU signed... yet (2)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832341)

We are fucking outraged at our gov't.
They will not get re-elected.

Except that there's no alternative to the ruling party -- their runner-ups (30% vote) are religious national socialists (extreme right wing, conspiracy theory "germans, russians, jews and europeans try to get us!", religious fundamentalists, corrupt, economical ideas same as Orban in Hungary), and some populist far-left.
So sadly we can't punish them at the voting booth.

Tokyo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38831157)

Because no one in Tokyo will picket for Europe, and even if there were people picketing at whatever location the signing was held, it's not like Japanese citizens would really care...

The MEP in charge just resigned. (5, Informative)

o'reor (581921) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831159)

According to this article (in french) [numerama.com] , the Member of the European Parliament in charge of the ratification process of ACTA, Mr Kader Arif, just resigned his position, saying that the whole process is just an anti-democratic farce.

Re:The MEP in charge just resigned. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832847)

...so, pretty much business as usual for the EU then?

Why? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38831231)

I'll have to admit, I'm having trouble understanding why so many nations want to sign this monstrosity. Why the US wants it globally accepted is obvious, we don't really manufacturer what we used to. A significant portion of our economy has moved to a creating ideas, instead of things, then selling those ideas at massively inflated prices. But why other nations would fight so hard to get this kind of thing implemented in their own countries, which won't benefit them, but in fact will likely be a determent to them, such treaties/legislation. Is there massive amounts of money paying off foreign politicians behind the scenes that I'm not seeing.

Re:Why? (1, Insightful)

Issarlk (1429361) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831331)

> I'll have to admit, I'm having trouble understanding why so many nations...
Not nations, people
> ...why...
Money.

Re:Why? (1)

White Flame (1074973) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831423)

The US makes sure that these other countries know it's "in their best interest" to go along with it.

Re:Why? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38831633)

As wikileaks has shown, the USA government is the one forcing them to sign. And they only need to force a handful of countries. Funny part is, they actually need this.
As said above, USA's economy is now creating ideas, no, don't confuse that with research, but ideas, which can be patented and sued over.

Problem is, while the world is forced to play by their rules, the Chinese on the other hand will have no problem ignoring them. So we'll have to buy from the Chinese everything we need, because our companies will be sued to hell and back for anything they try to create.

To the USA, keep pushing, when somebody will push back you'll probably break your neck.

Re:Why? (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832207)

Why the US wants it globally accepted is obvious, we don't really manufacturer what we used to. A significant portion of our economy has moved to a creating ideas, instead of things, then selling those ideas at massively inflated prices.

What ideas? Most of the good ones are already created. Every Hollyweird movie these days is either a sequel or a remake or a rehash of something they made money on before. And it's awfully hard to be creative when you're working 60+ hours a week to make the payments on that variable rate mortgage you got talked into while trying to make the insurance payments and pay for the kids' schooling. God help you if you get sick in the US, you'll be bankrupt in months.

If somebody does come up with something original, laws like this will make sure it's properly stolen by our corporate overlords where it will be milked beyond its lifetime to keep corporate profits properly high.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832287)

Careful... You're setting yourself up for some little know-it-all prick who has everything perfectly engineered in his life...

Re:Why? (4, Funny)

Noughmad (1044096) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832791)

Why the US wants it globally accepted is obvious, we don't really manufacturer what we used to. A significant portion of our economy has moved to a creating ideas, instead of things, then selling those ideas at massively inflated prices.

What ideas?

Rounded corners.

It is simple (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38833027)

It can be used as a form of population control.

Like someone else already pointed out here, in Russia, if you are anti-Putin, you are claimed to be against copyright and your computers will be seized.

The same things will take place elsewhere, too.

All these, ACTA, SOPA, PIPA, whatever, they aim for only one purpose: cement the current ruling class and elite into place. This is done by getting tools with which to fight any incumbents.

Currently the tools must be hidden with "helps copyright", "thinks of children", and such lies. Later, when any opposition can just be thrown to jail, these lies will not be needed. Reading the news and history books on your iPad will not show a trace of these people or their ideology.

Re:Why? (2)

Lazy Jones (8403) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833257)

why so many nations want to sign this monstrosity

They don't. It's some worthless f.cks who apparently repesent these countries and signed ACTA, I live in Austria and I don't even know the name of the creep who signed on behalf of this country. At its core, the EU is a rotten oligarchy where many decisions are made contrary to the will of the citizens. Other such examples are the SWIFT and passenger data sharing agreements.

Re:Why? (1)

turbidostato (878842) | more than 2 years ago | (#38834681)

"I'm having trouble understanding why so many nations want to sign this monstrosity"

So would I... if it were nations the ones signing it.

But they aren't.

Where's the ACTA text, to start with? Did you see it? You are being abused by "the old paradigm": your brain still see the world in a certain form that is no more true.

What do you think that thingie "globalization" really means? I know this will sound like old fashioned marxism, but heck, it's the truth despite Marx, Adam Smith or whoever: globalization is the old fashion class struggle reloaded. It is no more Oceania versus Eurasia versus Eastasia but, plain and simple, a rich oligarchy against everybody else. The rich oligarchy, no matter if born in USA, Germany or Zimbabwe *do* benefit from ACTA, everybody else go damned.

With this I don't mean to support any conspiranoic theory where a secret cabal acts as the world puppetmaster; it rises as an emergent property of our society but, in the end, the net results are basically the same.

The Dutch are just late (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38831303)

It seems that the Dutch ambassador did not receive the required mandate in time. It is the intention of the Dutch to sign.

Do you hear that? (3, Insightful)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831413)

That is the sound of inevitability... It is the sound of corporate rule.

Ha ha, just kidding. I'm sure the EP will fight for the rights of its people. :-D

Google is not helping... (2)

hawkingradiation (1526209) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831539)

I was looking for a particularly good piece on the ACTA entitled "How the ACTA kills your job" (in quotes search). The page(s) does not exist according to google or the site(s) is down. Also the media seems to think that this is a copyright/Internet related issues only (with Anonymous playing a big role???). Is there a good piece that describes how it would affect other aspects of our life in the media such as generic drugs, seeds, patents and even surveillance by ISPs and file sharing?

Re:Google is not helping... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832755)

Try the search with "how acta kills your job"; it returns a slew of pages, such asHow ACTA Kills Your Job [qummunismus.at] .

No vote required. It's a done deal. (5, Informative)

bughunter (10093) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831603)

Since it's a treaty, like NAFTA, it's far easier to implement, far harder to challenge in court, and more powerful than an act of Congress. And it's global.

ACTA vs. SOPA: Five Reasons ACTA is Scarier Threat to Internet Freedom [ibtimes.com] from the International Business Times:

The SOPA bill was derailed because it required both houses of the U.S. Congress to pass it, and for President Barack Obama to sign it. Once approved, it would have been subject to challenge and could have been changed by future congresses.

ACTA, on the other hand, was already signed by the United States on Oct. 11, 2011, and Obama was not required to get the approval of any outside authority to do so: not the Congress, not the Supreme Court, and not the American public.

Now that it has been signed, the legislative and judicial branches of the U.S. government also have little ability to challenge or amend the treaty, and Americans would be subject to a whole new scheme of laws, restrictions and regulations that could have them facing fines or jail through a process that would likely exist entirely outside the scope of the American justice system.

Re:No vote required. It's a done deal. (5, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38831691)

You seem to have missed the part where the Senate has to vote to accept any treaty. Clinton signed Kyoto, but the Senate unanimously rejected it anyway.

Re:No vote required. It's a done deal. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832761)

That legal analysis is incomplete and misleading. In the United States, laws and treaties get their power based on the Constitution and the number of branches of government that sign off on it. So here they are:

1. The Constitution is always the top and anything inconsistent with it is void. Only the People have the power to change the Constitution.

2. Two signatory branches. These are things that have been approved (or in the case of bills overridden of veto power) by two branches usually Laws and Treaties. If two of these conflict, the earlier in time is void; although the usual practice is to say they don't conflict. So, if you don't like a treaty, a law has to be passed to get rid of it or another treaty put in place to override it (in many cases, the government just stops enforcing it, but it is still on the books until one of the former happen). Also, anything below that conflicts with this level is also void.

3. One signatory branch. These are things that have been approved by one branch. These are things like resolutions or executive agreements. If two things at this level conflict, then the earlier one is void. However, you also need to take in account as to whether the branch in question had power to enact it. Additionally, if the action conflicts with any of the above, then it is also void.

4. No signatory branch. These are things that have not been approved by any branch. They lose to any of the above.

With the ACTA, having been signed by the president is at level (3). This means that all the legislature has to do is try to pass a law to get rid of ACTA or refuse to enact those laws. The President cannot force them to enact laws through a level 3 action; however, the various government agencies will be required to carry it out until something of a higher priority or same priority at a later time happens.

Additionally, some of the doom and gloom proposed under this treaty are not legal scenarios because the Constitution always wins, and many laws on the books prevent them, which beat ACTA (unless it is ratified).

Not the law (2)

Oxford_Comma_Lover (1679530) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833177)

Not quite.

The Senate has the power to approve treaties that the President makes:

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;

Under long-established judicial precedent, the Supremacy clause is interpreted to mean that the later-in-time treaty or law is the one which is in effect under domestic (United States) law when the two conflict:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

Thus a treaty approved by the senate can override other laws. They often do not, because most treaties are not "self-executing." If they are not self-executing, they create an obligation under international law but do not become law under the domestic laws of the United States. In this case, failure to pass a law enacting the treaty means (in the absence of an exception in the treaty) that the United States is in violation of international law.

Disclaimer: obviously, if any of this matters to you, hire a lawyer skilled in public international law and United States Constitutional Law.

Re:No vote required. It's a done deal. (1)

bughunter (10093) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833861)

Thank you for the illumination.

And thank you for demonstrating that Slashdot comments haven't completely deteriorated to 4chan levels of discourse...

Tokyo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38831673)

Could anyone please explain why the EU and its member states are conducting their business in Asia?

Re:Tokyo? (3, Insightful)

Anne Thwacks (531696) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833117)

So the voters can't see what is being done in their names.

You must be new here.

Same here in ireland (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38831705)

A minister there in Ireland, Sean Sherlock, is attempting to sign a law that will overturn a judgement UPC (non censoring ISP) vs IRMA (Irish RIAA) on favour of UPC.

http://stopsopaireland.com is the online petition.

Many Irish sites have once again gone dark/posted banners including boards.ie

We have been hammering our MEPs with e-mails about ACTA all last week, so I'm very disappointed to hear this news tonight.
There seems to be a globally co-ordinated simultaneous strike to enshrine IP into law, and to blur the line between bootleggers who sell toys made from toxic plastic, with websites whose users post a link to an .mp3

Folks in the US, This treaty originated there, Please spread the word, and help in any way you can.

Are we hosed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832127)

Am I the only one who thinks that ever since 9/11 - and actually before then as well - things have gotten diabolical across the globe, and in particular the US? It seems like there is huge, unseen effort to make the world a single nation (or effectively, by having universal laws), far more draconian control by government of everything, more police powers, etc., etc. No, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. It's just slowly dawning on me, with each new law, each new court decision, each new banking action, each new military action, that things are getting really weird. I used to think well of police, but now I see them as jack-booted thugs. I used to respect the military but now I see no honor. I used to believe politicians and bankers at least wouldn't work against their sponsoring country, but now I now I believe everyone is just a primal animal grabbing what they can.

YUO FAIL IT (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832281)

Fuck those who signed ACTA. (3, Insightful)

Per Wigren (5315) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832395)

Fuck Austria. Fuck Australia. Fuck Belgium. Fuck Bulgaria. Fuck Canada. Fuck the Czech Republic. Fuck Denmark. Fuck Finland. Fuck France. Fuck Greece. Fuck Hungary. Fuck Ireland. Fuck Italy. Fuck Japan. Fuck Latvia. Fuck Lithuania. Fuck Luxemburg. Fuck Malta. Fuck Morocco. Fuck New Zealand. Fuck Poland. Fuck Portugal. Fuck Romania. Fuck Singapore. Fuck Slovenia. Fuck South Korea. Fuck Spain. Fuck Sweden. Fuck the UK. Fuck the USA.

That's a lot of fucking. (1)

zooblethorpe (686757) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832785)

Fuck Austria. Fuck Australia. Fuck Belgium. Fuck Bulgaria. Fuck Canada. Fuck the Czech Republic. Fuck Denmark. Fuck Finland. Fuck France. Fuck Greece. Fuck Hungary. Fuck Ireland. Fuck Italy. Fuck Japan. Fuck Latvia. Fuck Lithuania. Fuck Luxemburg. Fuck Malta. Fuck Morocco. Fuck New Zealand. Fuck Poland. Fuck Portugal. Fuck Romania. Fuck Singapore. Fuck Slovenia. Fuck South Korea. Fuck Spain. Fuck Sweden. Fuck the UK. Fuck the USA.

That's a lot of fucking. I hope you brought enough condoms.

More seriously, don't confuse the countries for the few dickheads in those countries who are fucking things up. I've been to a good handful-and-some of the 30 countries you've listed, and most of the people I've met have been decent sorts.

Narrowing the field to just the assholes in charge, the people in these countries responsible for drafting and then signing ACTA generally look a lot like this guy [google.com] . I don't know about your preferences, *I* certainly don't want to fuck 30 different versions of that.

Now, if you had instead said, "beat them upside the head (and elsewhere) with a cluebat until they personally and intimately understand the extent of the damage they're doing to everyone else", I'd be booking my flights right now.

Re:That's a lot of fucking. (1)

Per Wigren (5315) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832949)

That's a lot of fucking. I hope you brought enough condoms.

I'll use the same one over and over, without washing it inbetween.

More seriously, don't confuse the countries for the few dickheads in those countries who are fucking things up. I've been to a good handful-and-some of the 30 countries you've listed, and most of the people I've met have been decent sorts.

Yeah, that's kind of implied. I've been to 13 of the listed countries and I can only agree.

I don't know about your preferences, *I* certainly don't want to fuck 30 different versions of that.

Can't say that I'll enjoy it to but someone has to do the dirty work. :)

Re:Fuck those who signed ACTA. (4, Funny)

Noughmad (1044096) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832817)

Fuck Sweden.

Assange tried, it didn't end too well for him.

PETITION EUPARL ! (5, Informative)

unity100 (970058) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832559)

if you are situated on an eu member country, or, live/work in an eu member country, or, is employed by a company that is registered inside eu, you have the right to petition european parliament. you also have the right if you are citizen of a country that is an official candidate for eu.

Petition euparl from below link. tell them to fuck this shit :

https://www.secure.europarl.europa.eu/aboutparliament/en/petition.html [europa.eu]

this is no joke petition - its official petition form of euparl itself. just drop your real name, address while petitioning.

The USA still can reject ACTA... (1)

paulsnx2 (453081) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832809)

Consider signing the Petition for Obama to Submit ACTA to the Senate for Ratification.

We can defeat ACTA in the USA in the Senate... If we can get ACTA submitted there.

Right now ACTA is only signed via Executive Agreement.

http://wh.gov/KxA [wh.gov]

Re:The USA still can reject ACTA... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38833291)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

You're thinking of the government that existed 50 years ago. This government does what it (and suitable large corporations) wants. And by what it wants I mean kill US citizens they don't like (Awlaki). Didn't you hear about NDAA (nobody outside Washington wants that)? Or the public option (75% of the population in favor)? Or cuts to social security (~70% against)? Or his promises to make this government transparent? Or to close Gitmo.

But I'm sure THIS petition will make a big difference.

No Worries (1)

vrythmax (1555425) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833977)

The EU can't figure out how to fix Greece or Italy (spending too much time traveling to Tokyo to sign things) so they won't even be around long enough for it to have much impact.

Re:No Worries (1)

Ash-Fox (726320) | more than 2 years ago | (#38834977)

The EU can't figure out how to fix Greece or Italy

You clearly haven't been following the EU parliament. They don't give a shit about Greece or Italy, they want to save the Euro project, so they won't let them leave and subsidize in hope this will keep the Euro project afloat.

As a portuguese (1)

carvalhao (774969) | more than 2 years ago | (#38834341)

I am disgusted by this. The worst part is that our politicians probably did it out of ignorance.
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