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Yahoo's Project To Disrupt Mobile Publishing

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the giving-you-the-once-over dept.

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waderoush writes "Right now, content publishers who want to reach readers through dedicated mobile apps have to hire a separate engineering team to build each app — one for iOS (based on Objective-C), another for Android (Java), a third for Windows Phone (C#), etc. Yahoo's Platform Technology Group is working on an alternative: a set of JavaScript and HTML-based tools that would handle core UI and data-management tasks inside mobile apps for any operating system, moving developers closer to the nirvana of 'write once, run everywhere.' The tools are gradually being open-sourced — starting with Mojito, a framework for running hybrid server/browser module-widgets ('mojits') — and Yahoo is showing off what they can do in the form of Livestand, the news reader app it released for the iPad in November. In his first extensive public interview about Mojito and the larger 'Cocktails' project, Bruno Fernandez-Ruiz, chief architect at Yahoo's Platform Technology Group, explains how the tools work and why the company is sharing them."

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Organized trolling campaign by GreatBunzinni (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832591)

GreatBunzinni [slashdot.org] has been posting anonymous accusations [slashdot.org] listing a whole bunch of Slashdot accounts as being part of a marketing campaign for Microsoft, without any evidence. GreatBunzinni has accidentally outed himself [slashdot.org] as this anonymous poster. Half the accounts he attacks don't even post pro-Microsoft rhetoric. The one thing they appear to have in common is that they have been critical of Google in the past. GreatBunzinni has been using multiple accounts to post these "shill" accusations, such as Galestar [slashdot.org] , NicknameOne [slashdot.org] , and flurp [slashdot.org] .

That's not the problem. The problem is that moderators gave him +5 Informative and are now modding down the accused, even for legitimate posts. Metamoderation is supposed to address this by filtering out the bad moderators, but clearly it's not working.

This "shill" crap that has been flying around lately has to stop. It's restricting a variety of viewpoints from participating on the site and creating an echo chamber.

ALREADY DONE (5, Informative)

Roachgod (589171) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832595)

Take a look at Appcelerator Titanium, or Corona. Or even PhoneGap. Kinda late to the party Yahoo... again.

Re:ALREADY DONE (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832693)

Add MoSync to that list: http://www.mosync.com/

Re:ALREADY DONE (5, Informative)

Tronster (25566) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833063)

Also add "HaXe / NME":
http://www.haxenme.org/ [haxenme.org]

Re:ALREADY DONE (1)

james_van (2241758) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833203)

Also add Adobe AIR

Re:ALREADY DONE (1)

lolcutusofbong (2041610) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833633)

Don't forget Enzo, the webOS framework that supposedly works cross-platform, since it's all HTML and JS. Oh, and it's open source now.

Re:ALREADY DONE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38833753)

I thought Air was dead.

Are any of these actually good? (1)

MikeTheGreat (34142) | more than 2 years ago | (#38836661)

(This is not intended as a troll - my apologies in advance if it's read that way)

The beautiful thing about OSS is that anyone, anywhere can contribute. Just throw together a project, put it on the web, give it the right license, and BAM! You've contributed an open source project. Producing a high-quality, production-ready OSS project, on the other hand, takes some doing.

I ask just because I looked at a couple of these frameworks and got the impression that they have potential, but they're 'not there yet'

Maybe the real news here is that big, established company has decided to devote resources to really doing this right?

Re:ALREADY DONE (1)

slackergod (37906) | more than 2 years ago | (#38835189)

A developer enters a market and wonders aloud "There are 12 conflict libraries, which one should I target?"

His friend replies: "You know, we should write a single library to abstract away all those differences, so everyone can just target 1 library!"

"That's a great idea!" the developer exclaims.

Now there are 13 conflicting libraries.

"Ahem" (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832605)

"...a third for Windows Phone (C#)..."

BlackBerry market share still dwarfs Windows Phone. What is with the tech world's hate of BlackBerry?

Re:"Ahem" (2)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833121)

It might have something to do with their lackluster efforts to keep pace as Apple and Google speed off into the future. Microsoft's effort to catch up makes BlackBerry look old-and-busted.

Re:"Ahem" (1)

Hentes (2461350) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833289)

Doesn't it support JME making this a non-issue?

Re:"Ahem" (3, Insightful)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833307)

If the thing is based on JS, CSS and HTML, I think the answer is pretty obvious: BB browser sucks ass so terribly they'd have to write one from scratch (or to port Webkit)

Re:"Ahem" (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38833387)

Blackberry, aka "My Crackberry" has garnered negative associations as a device that takes parents away from their families...much like the pager of old. Blackberry has, despite attempts to the contrary, been branded as a "Business phone". It's not fun, it's not hip, it is a phone for business-people. RIMM's Canadian teams do not have a firm grasp on product identification, branding, and marketing to tech people (or anyone really). There are steps RIMM could make, but much like Border's Books, their efforts will come much too late.

Re:"Ahem" (1)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 2 years ago | (#38834523)

a) Blackberry only begrudgingly gives away development tools, and doesn't invest much in community support. (Android reason)

b) Blackberry doesn't give me access to a userbase flush with cash and with little or no inhibitions about spending it. It's mostly business' and they're tight wads (iPhone Reason).

BSD is dying (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832609)

It is now official. Netcraft has confirmed: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be the Amazing Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

I don't get it. (3, Insightful)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832615)

Right now, content publishers who want to reach readers through dedicated mobile apps have to hire a separate engineering team to build each app

Why a dedicated mobile app? What's wrong with HTML? We are talking about books, right? Not Quake or Angry Birds or even a radio station; plain old text. WTF?

Re:I don't get it. (5, Insightful)

Anrego (830717) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832649)

Hard to sell a subscription to a site.

Easy to sell an app.

This is one of my big gripes with the whole "app" thing. A lot of stuff could just as easily be a website, but is being done as an app for the purpose of generating revenue.

(That's not to say that a lot of apps out there make sense and use features which would be impractical or clumsy as a web page)

Re:I don't get it. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38833473)

From the developer side, the 'app' seems like a good way to finance mobile-friendly websites, which otherwise effectively require a complete site redesign.

Re:I don't get it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38834885)

> (That's not to say that a lot of apps out there make sense and use features which would be impractical or clumsy as a web page)

(That's not to *deny* that a lot of apps out there make sense and use features which would be impractical or clumsy as a web page)

Fixed. Have a nice day.

Apps == Walled Gardens again. (1)

Rossman (593924) | more than 2 years ago | (#38835861)

The move to apps is, I think, a much larger issue. It's forcing us back into walled gardens where Apple, Google, MS etc are the gatekeepers and control (and get a cut out of) everything.

Meanwhile most everything can be done in a browser nowadays, we should just continue on with what we were doing, building web apps.

Ugh, I feel like we are regressing back to the Prodigy/Compuserve/AOL days.

Re:I don't get it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832653)

HTML isn't shiny enough and doesn't allow vendor lock-in.

I agree (-1)

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Please help me with my Insluin (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832757)

There was a post last month before thanksgiving on the So-Cal Craigslist with an elderly gentleman selling R type insulin for cash or btc. The last part caught me eye and from out talks, its sounded like he just had a recurring RX and was letting the stuff go for cheap aslong as you payed him the cost and a little bit for his time.

Well last night I went to refil my insulin pump and woke up nearly dead today. It was just water, or saline, or who knows.

Point of this post is to see if anyone else saw that post and kept the info, and to warn off people in the LAX area buying insluin online.

Slashdot is dead (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832783)

Infiltrated by Google employees and well-wishers, Slashdot consistently offers justifications for every bad behavior and terrible decision coming from Google. Just look at the privacy changes article in which fanboys banded together to make sure Google was perceived as the good guy and that anyone critical of them was modbombed.

Just to recap, Google is a multibillion dollar advertising megacorporation that was caught by the German government sniffing people's wifi data (they "accidentally" did it for three years before admitting it only when authorities threatened an investigation), forced people to use real names on Google+ and admitted it was an identity service and not a social network, stuffed Google+ results into the search engine without any competing social networks even though they have those networks indexed by the search engine (hello, Microsoft tactics), said that the only people who care about privacy "have something to hide," hacked into Mocality to call its customers, removed H.264 support in Chrome out of "openness" only to turn around and ship the closed-source Flash plugin, withheld Android source from the public but shared it with privileged hardware partners so they could have a leg up, abused their Android compatibility program to make things difficult for smartphone makers who chose Bing over Google, and on and on and on.

With all this crap they pull that would get them completely trashed if they were Microsoft or any other company, there's one reason and one reason only that they have been propped up as the good guy on Slashdot all these years--Linux. They use Linux. Slashdot is a Linux advocacy site, and so because Google uses Linux, they are good guys and get a pass for everything. That's all it takes to get Slashdot to love you. Just use Linux.

Hypocrites. When Microsoft used their Windows monopoly revenues to fund development of Internet Explorer and release it for free to try to dominate the web market, everyone here cried "antitrust!" But when Google uses its web search monopoly revenues to fund development of Android and release it for free to try to dominate smartphones, everyone defends it. For anyone who was on Slashdot during those times, to see Google doing all the very same things Microsoft did but get a completely different reaction is surreal.

Slashdot is a bubble. You only get pro-Google, pro-Linux news. Major news occurring elsewhere is often days late, if it gets reported at all. The Google+ search results fiasco is huge all over the tech sites right now, but there's nothing about it here, as if it doesn't even exist as a controversy. And did you know iOS surpassed Android in marketshare by the end of 2011 according to three research firms? With how obsessed Slashdot is over marketshare, and how they constantly trumpeted Android's marketshare all the time as a victory last year, you'd think it would be big news. But, no. This is pro-Google territory, pro-Linux territory. Gotta keep the natives happy for more page views.

This will get modded down because trolls have taken over the moderation system and openly subvert it. That's fine. It just proves my point about how Slashdot reacts to anything outside the partyline. This site's news reporting is old, antiquated, and slow, but the news isn't even why people come here anymore. The part of the community still remaining (after its years-long exodus to Reddit, Hacker News, and other sites, which is why traffic has decreased so dramatically on most Slashdot stories today) only comes here to pat themselves on the back for thinking a certain way. "Yeah, Microsoft is still evil! Yeah, Google is still the good guy! Yeah, Apple is still for chumps!" It's the year 2000 forever on Slashdot.

Re:Slashdot is dead (1)

imboboage0 (876812) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832937)

If you believed your message, you'd have the balls not to post AC.

Re:Slashdot is dead (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833785)

Your troll is offtopic, boy. Now go away.

*BSD is dying (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832795)

It is now official. Netcraft has confirmed: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be the Amazing Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales, and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Re:I don't get it. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832807)

Slashdot's gone cold I'm wondering why I got out of bed at all
The morning rain clouds up my window and I can't see at all
And even if I could it'll all be gray but your picture on my wall
It reminds me, that it's not so bad -- it's not so bad

Dear Rob, I wrote but you still ain't callin
I left my email, my ICQ, and my yahoo chat at the bottom
I sent two emails back in autumn, you must not-a got 'em
There probably was a problem with your sendmail or somethin
Sometimes I scribble email addees too sloppy when I jot 'em
but anyways; fsck it, what's been up? Man how's your boxes?
My boxes is linux too, I'm bout to be a compiler
once I learn gcc,
I'ma go on and compile for hours
I read about your Palm Pilot too I'm sorry
I had a friend lose his Palm over at the airport in Maradonna
I know you probably hear this everyday, but I'm your biggest fan
I even read all your bullshit Linux news and Microsoft's man
I got a room full of your posters and your pictures man
I like the way you sold your ass out too, that shit was fat
Anyways, I hope you get this man, hit me back,
just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan
This is Stan

Dear Rob, you still ain't called or wrote, I hope you have a chance
I ain't mad - I just think it's FSCKED UP you don't answer fans
If you didn't wanna talk to me outside your Linux World
you didn't have to, but you coulda signed an autograph for Matthew
That's my Senior sys admin he's only 26 years old
We waited on a 9600 baud for you,
four hours and you just said, "No."
That's pretty shitty man - you're like his fsckin idol
He wants to be just like you man, he likes you more than I do
I ain't that mad though, I just don't like bein lied to
Remember when we met in Boston - you said if I'd write you
you would write back - see I'm just like you in a way
I never had a clue about shit either
I gcc'd shit with my wife then beat her
I can relate to what you're saying in your page
so when I feel like rmusering I read Slashdot to begin the rage
cause I don't really got shit else so that shit helps when I'm depressed
I even got a tattoo of slashdot across the chest
Sometimes I even packet myself to see how much it floods
It's like adrenaline, the DDoS is such a sudden rush of blood
See everything you say is real, and I respect you cause you tell it
My girlfriend's jealous cause I talk about you 24/7
But she don't know you like I know you Rob, no one does
She don't know what it was like for people like us growin up
You gotta call me man, I'll be the biggest fan you'll ever lose
Sincerely yours, Stan -- P.S.
We should be together too

Dear Mister-I'm-Too-Good-To-Waste-A-Packet-On-My-Fans,
this'll be the last packet I ever send your ass
It's been six months and still no word - I don't deserve it?
I know you got my last two emails
I wrote the @ signs on 'em perfect
So this is my payload I'm sending you, I hope you hear it
I'm on my modem now, I'm doing 9600 baud so fear it
Hey Rob, I drank a fifth of vodka, you dare me to code?
You know the song by Deep Purple or Slayer
its irrelevant by playing on my linux player
while I write some php scripts and play some Dragonslayer
That's kinda how shit is, you coulda rescued me from drowning
Now it's too late - I'm on a 1000 downloads now, I'm drowsy
and all I wanted was a lousy letter or a call
I hope you know I ripped +ALL+ of your pictures off the wall
I love you Rob, we coulda been together, think about it
You ruined it now, I hope you can't sleep and you dream about it
And when you dream I hope you can't sleep and you SCREAM about it
I hope your conscience EATS AT YOU and you can't BREATHE without me
See Rob {*screaming*} Shut up bitch! I'm tryin to code
Hey Rob, that's my senior admin screamin from the comode
but I didn't cut the power off, I just rebooted, see I ain't like you
cause if rm -rf'd we'd suffer more, and then the boxes die too
Well, gotta go, I'm almost BGP bridged now
Oh shit, I forgot, how'm I supposed to send this packet out?

Dear Stan, I meant to write you sooner but I just been busy
You said your box is running now, how'd you like your gcc?
Look, I'm really flattered you would install 7.0 Redhat
and here's an autograph for your senior sys admin
I wrote it on the Starter cap
I'm sorry I didn't see you at the show, I musta missed you
Don't think I did that shit intentionally just to diss you
But what's this shit you said about you like to DDoS lamers too?
I say that shit just clownin dog,
c'mon - how fucked up is you?
You got some issues Stan, I think you need some counseling
so heres some more Linux stories to keep your ass busy when you get down some
And what's this shit about us meant to be together?
I sold Slashdot for thousands so now I'm a single jetsetter
I really think you and your boxes need each other
or maybe you just need to treat them better
I hope you get to read this letter, I just hope it reaches you in time
before you hurt yourself, I think that you'll be doin just fine
if you relax a little, I'm glad I inspire you but Stan why are you so mad? Try to understand, that Linux and MS is just grand
I just don't want you to do some crazy shit
I seen this one shit on the news a couple weeks ago that made me sick
Some dude was drunk and switched his router for a bridge
and his packets were blackholed, and his DNS couldn't get digged
and in the colo they found a tape, but they didn't say who it was to
Come to think about, his name was.. it was you
Damn!

Re:I don't get it. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832815)

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Re:I don't get it. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832839)

It's official: iOS now has more marketshare than Android. Reuters reports that Apple completely erased Android's marketshare lead [reuters.com] , confirming earlier reports by both Nielsen [nielsen.com] and NPD [gigaom.com] . Over 150 Android smartphones couldn't outcompete the iPhone 4S. With 37 million iPhones sold last quarter, Apple is the largest smartphone marker, and their profits exceed Google’s entire revenue, $13 billion to $10.6 billion. Finally, with 15 million iPads sold last quarter, the tablet market is now larger than the entire desktop PC market.

Remember that Slashdot triumphantly posted in January 2011 about Android surpassing iOS in marketshare [slashdot.org] . A year later when the opposite happens? Not a peep...talk about bias.

Re:I don't get it. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832849)

Hello you are reading the THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING TROLL !
Yes that's right, THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING. Why you might ask? Well it's simple!
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There are also MANY variations of this. For example, think about:
1. BLINKING!
1. SWALLOWING SALIVA!
1. HOW YOUR FEET FEEL IN YOUR SOCKS!
1. THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING AGAIN!
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In fact, by EVEN RESPONDING to this troll, you are proving that IT HAS CLAIMED ANOTHER VICTIM -- YOU!

Re:I don't get it. (1)

Anrego (830717) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832887)

Hah.. ok, that one is actually pretty funny...

Re:I don't get it. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832861)

"Trollin', Trollin', Trollin',
perl scripts a' pollin',
keep on slashdot trollin',
Portman!
Mae Ling Mak and First Post,
So I can now boast,
Wishin' my gal was petrified.
All the things I'm missin',
My Karma, baths, and wimmin,
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Portman!

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Though they're disapprovin',
Keep them fingers movin,
Portman!
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Just post and reprimand 'em,
Soon we'll be trollin' far and wide!
My porn's stimulatin'
My right hand will be achin'
I don't care or else I'd cry!

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Re:I don't get it. (1)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833207)

Why a dedicated mobile app? What's wrong with HTML?

Damn, you couldn't even make it past the first sentence of the summary? That's impressive even for Slashdot.

Re:I don't get it. (1)

Anrego (830717) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833329)

In his defense, it is a painfully long and drawn out sentence ..

Re:I don't get it. (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833603)

<HTML>
<body>
Anybody who can't write HTML and javascript has no right to be attempting to write applications. I read the summary, the question still stands; you need no application for <b> TEXT.</b> We're talking about TEXT here. TEXT. Why an app, framework, or any other such nonsense?
</body></html>

Re:I don't get it. (1)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833643)

We're talking about TEXT here. TEXT.

Where does the summary say that?

For that matter, where does it talk about books?

In the case of mobile phones, "content publishing" means a variety of things, and it typically must include a UI.

Re:I don't get it. (1)

Anomalyst (742352) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833741)

I don't have web access on my phone. I "pay as you go" on boost for about $7/month for talk & text assuming I don't burn thru a $20/90day minutes card in the period. Next month I plan to pop $450 to move to the Galaxy Nexus on T-mobile for $100/125min/year, still no internet. Yes, between work/home I am WiFi accessible 90% time, but off-net when mobile. Which makes me prefer a standalone app instead of a website for utilities.

Re:I don't get it. (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#38834839)

Which makes me prefer a standalone app instead of a website for utilities.

Ideally a web application SHOULD work offline using the Application Cache [whatwg.org] and Web Storage [w3.org] components of the HTML5 stack. But some publishers are under the impression that offline access is a premium feature.

Re:I don't get it. (1)

Anomalyst (742352) | more than 2 years ago | (#38834871)

Interesting point, I will have to make sure I accommodate that on any Android app I develop.

Re:I don't get it. (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#38834971)

Next month I plan to pop $450 to move to the Galaxy Nexus on T-mobile for $100/125min/year, still no internet.

If you're comfortable with no Internet, then why not just carry a Galaxy Player or Archos 43 (Android PDA) and a separate pay-as-you-go dumbphone? That way your use of apps on the PDA won't drain the battery and leave the phone unable to make an urgent call.

Re:I don't get it. (1)

billcopc (196330) | more than 2 years ago | (#38834215)

HTML isn't trendy enough with the non-techies. No, seriously, people are too dumb to bookmark a page, but they'll happily install a browser-based app that basically accomplishes the same as a handful of bookmarks.

As a guy who writes apps for hire, a lot of the stuff I do is essentially packaged HTML, occasionally with small native features added, but nothing groundbreaking. Once in a while, I'll take a bunch of complex pages and recreate them with native UI widgets, as mobile browsers tend to be a bit laggy with DOM manipulation or Javascript-heavy pages. I guess it's kind of like what business app development was 10-15 years ago: skinning MS Access. One guy wanted a database that catalogs sales data, the next guy wants to store supplier data. You change a few labels around and POOF! You sell the same bullshit all over again for zillions of dollars.

The great majority of non-gaming apps can be recreated with HTML. Things like jqTouch and Sencha basically accomplish the same thing. They just don't earn you brownie points with the hipster crowd.

Mindshare (1)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 2 years ago | (#38834547)

A web site is just a bookmark quickly forgotten. An app is an icon on the front page of their phone.

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Think about your breathing (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832637)

Hello you are reading the THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING TROLL!
Yes that's right, THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING. Why you might ask? Well it's simple!
Your brain usually takes care of breathing FOR you, but whenever you remember this, YOU MUST MANUALLY BREATH! If you don't you will DIE.
There are also MANY variations of this. For example, think about:
1. BLINKING!
1. SWALLOWING SALIVA!
1. HOW YOUR FEET FEEL IN YOUR SOCKS!
1. THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING AGAIN!
In conclusion, the THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING troll is simply unbeatable. These 4 words can be thrown randomly into article text trolls, into sigs, into anything, and once seen, WILL FORCE THE VICTIM TO TAKE CARE OF HIS BREATHING MANUALLY! This goes far beyond the simple annoying or insulting trolls of yesteryear.
In fact, by EVEN RESPONDING to this troll, you are proving that IT HAS CLAIMED ANOTHER VICTIM -- YOU!

Again? (4, Insightful)

GreyLurk (35139) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832645)

If only there weren't a half dozen other companies like Xamarin, Appcelerator and PhoneGap already doing the same thing, this might be impressive.

Re:Again? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832775)

It's all irrelevant anyways. In 2 or 3 years, most "apps" will be written in HTML5. There are very few apps that actually need to run on client hardware, especially considering that most client hardware is low capability.

Re:Again? (2)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833719)

It's all irrelevant anyways. In 2 or 3 years, most "apps" will be written in HTML5. There are very few apps that actually need to run on client hardware, especially considering that most client hardware is low capability.

Depends what you mean. If you're talking about content publishing, then voila -- TFA is describing some new HTML5-based tools for content publishing. I agree that we'll see a lot more HTML-based apps in future (even if we don't realize that's what we're looking at), but the idea here is that Yahoo wants to be one of the companies that makes that happen.

Content publishing doesn't represent the full breadth of mobile apps, however. How do you use HTML5 to access the phone's camera, webcam, GPS, accelerometer, or other sensors? How do you write an HTML game that takes advantage of a variety of different input mechanisms, depending on hardware? Can HTML5 gauge your battery level, or choose which content to download based on whether you're connected via WiFi or a mobile data network? There are lots of things that are easier to code using a native API.

Re:Again? (5, Insightful)

Roceh (855826) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832945)

The problem with all of these cross platform frameworks, they work great if your writing a game or a very simple app that consists of a single screen. However as soon as you go multiple screen you find that the UI metaphors each OS has fight each other, namely Android use of a hardware back button and it use of a hidden menu, these just don't gel with iOS way of doing things. You end up having to write two apps within one app anyway, and in javascript...

Re:Again? (4, Interesting)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833769)

You end up having to write two apps within one app anyway, and in javascript...

Then again, isn't this kind of like the browser compatibility problems that jQuery aims to solve? Sure, the user has to download some code that won't be used, but the upshot is that the same code will display and function in a useful way on browsers all the way back to IE6.

Re:Again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38836327)

No. jQuery wraps the language APIs to make elements work. The parent was pointing out that the actual UI operates differently. You can't really abstract that part out as an app - you need to make two different UIs.

Re:Again? (1)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837039)

No. jQuery wraps the language APIs to make elements work. The parent was pointing out that the actual UI operates differently. You can't really abstract that part out as an app - you need to make two different UIs.

Because one has a button and the other doesn't? I hardly think so.

Re:Again? (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#38834265)

So far as I know, what Xamarin provides doesn't even attempt to tackle this problem - they simply give you native APIs for UI wrapped for consuption from C#, and it's up to you to implement UI separately on different platforms (but in the same language, and working on top of the same data model), or make a universal UI layer on top of that.

The first Slashdot troll post investigation (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832647)

The last few months I have been doing some research into the trolling phenomenon on slashdot.org. In order to do this as thoroughly as possible, I have written both normal and troll posts, 1st posts, etc., both logged in and anonymously, and I have found these rather shocking results:

* More moderator points are being used to mod posts down than up. Furthermore, when modding a post up, every moderator seems to follow previous moderators in their choices, even when it's not a particularly interesting or clever post [slashdot.org] . There are a LOT more +5 posts than +3 or +4.

* Logged in people are modded down faster than anonymous cowards. Presumably these Nazi Moderators think it's more important to burn a user's existing karma, to silence that individual for the future, than to use the moderation system for what it's meant for : identifying "good" and "bad" posts (Notice how nearly all oppressive governments in the past and present do the same thing : marking individuals as bad and untrustworthy because they have conflicting opinions, instead of engaging in a public discussion about these opinions)

* Once you have a karma of -4 or -5, your posts have a score of -1 by default. When this is the case, no-one bothers to mod you down anymore. This means a logged in user can keep on trolling as much as he (or she) likes, without risking a ban to post on slashdot. When trolling as an anonymous user, every post starts at score 0, and you will be modded down to -1 ON EVERY POST. When you are modded down a certain number of times in 24 hour, you cannot post anymore from your current IP for a day or so. So, for successful trolling, ALWAYS log in.

* A lot of the modded down posts are actually quite clever [slashdot.org] , funny [slashdot.org] , etc., and they are only modded down because they are offtopic. Now, on a news site like slashdot, where the number of different topics of discussion can be counted on 1 hand, I must say I quite like the distraction these posts offer. But no, when the topic is yet another minor version change of the Linux kernel, they only expect ooohs and aaahs about this great feat of engineering. Look at the moderation done in this thread to see what I mean.

* Digging deep into the history of slashdot, I found this poll [slashdot.org] , which clearly indicates the vast majority does NOT want the moderation we have here today. 'nuff said.

Feel free to use this information to your advantage. I thank you for your time.

Anonymous cowards are... well, cowards.

Isn't that Java? (2)

sys_mast (452486) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832663)

How many of these 'apps' really need dedicated apps when some good old fashond HTML 5 would work. Wasn't google voice originaly HTML 5 before Apple approved a native app? Didn't it work fairly well?

I guess I'm sick of all these websites that want an app installed, to use the website. Just write the HTML so it detects the device and adjusts the page as needed.

That said. I admit a write once run anywhere, for apps that really do need and app, would be cool. Wait, isn't that Java????

Re:Isn't that Java? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832793)

You need a JVM running.
And maybe you cant afford to have a JVM, or no JVM is available for your platform.
And you may also be looking for something half performant.

Re:Isn't that Java? (1)

DutchUncle (826473) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833029)

And many years ago, wasn't that Basic?

Re:Isn't that Java? (1)

sys_mast (452486) | more than 2 years ago | (#38834005)

Re:Isn't that Java? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38836063)

When you can snatch the mainframe from my hand, grasshopper . . ..
BASIC was promulgated as being consistent across implementations a *long* time before Java. Of course, so were Fortran and COBOL, but BASIC was the first interactive one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BASIC_programming_language

Re:Isn't that Java? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38834575)

"Write once, debug everywhere" is only for systems running a JVM with the standard libraries (not iOS or Android). That and Java is much trickier to use everywhere when Oracle intends to sock everyone with major license fees or lawsuits.

We've learned now it must be an open, patent & license free environment to be usable everywhere. That means HTML5. HTML5 is not exactly old-fashioned as you'd be hard-pressed to find even a few of its features in use on the internet let-alone available on the current mobile phone browsers (though Android 4 has it).

Bought fake Insluin, hope someone has some info on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832679)

There was a post last month before thanksgiving on the So-Cal Craigslist with an elderly gentleman selling R type insulin for cash or btc. The last part caught me eye and from out talks, its sounded like he just had a recurring RX and was letting the stuff go for cheap aslong as you payed him the cost and a little bit for his time.

Well last night I went to refil my insulin pump, and woke up nearly dead today. It was just water, or saline, or who knows.

Point of this post is to see if anyone else saw that post and kept the info, and to warn off people in the LAX area buying insluin online.

Yahoo has to share (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832695)

Yahoo has to share and pray the community will help them. Anybody who has used Yahoo's site lately would agree with that. I will say one thing positive about Yahoo's management. They knew better than to send their crap coders to Flickr. It looks like they've actually managed to acquire something and not ruin it. Google should take that (and only that) as a lesson.

Re:Yahoo has to share (1)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833123)

Actually, I would take this posting seriously had Yahoo not been mentioned.

But as soon as that word slipped out, you automatically know this is going no where. They barely make enough to keep the lights on, and their chance of pulling something like this together is slim to none.

Google probably is not the right place either. You need someone big enough but not aligned with any of the platform providers.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Apple iOS forbid these types of code execution development platforms? They used to, but maybe that has been relaxed.

Re:Yahoo has to share (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#38834909)

but doesn't Apple iOS forbid these types of code execution development platforms?

Apple tried requiring all apps to be written in C++ or Objective-C for a few months but abandoned that rule after six months when it discovered that developers of e.g. Lua games were defecting, perhaps to Android.

Do the Portman (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832707)

"Trollin', Trollin', Trollin',
perl scripts a' pollin',
keep on slashdot trollin',
Portman!
Mae Ling Mak and First Post,
So I can now boast,
Wishin' my gal was petrified.
All the things I'm missin',
My Karma, baths, and wimmin,
I don't care, or else I'd cry!

CHORUS
Click 'em on, post 'em up
Post 'em up, click 'em on
Click 'em on, post 'em up
Portman!
Click 'em on, post 'em up
Post 'em up, click 'em on
Click 'em on, post 'em up
Portman!

Keep movin', movin', movin',
Though they're disapprovin',
Keep them fingers movin,
Portman!
Don't try to understand 'em,
Just post and reprimand 'em,
Soon we'll be trollin' far and wide!
My porn's stimulatin'
My right hand will be achin'
I don't care or else I'd cry!

Portman!
Portman!

GreatBunzinni, at it again (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832735)

GreatBunzinni [slashdot.org] has been posting anonymous accusations [slashdot.org] listing a whole bunch of Slashdot accounts as being part of a marketing campaign for Microsoft, without any evidence. GreatBunzinni has accidentally outed himself [slashdot.org] as this anonymous poster. Half the accounts he attacks don't even post pro-Microsoft rhetoric. The one thing they appear to have in common is that they have been critical of Google in the past. GreatBunzinni has been using multiple accounts to post these "shill" accusations, such as Galestar [slashdot.org] , NicknameOne [slashdot.org] , and flurp [slashdot.org] .

That's not the problem. The problem is that moderators gave him +5 Informative and are now modding down the accused, even for legitimate posts. Metamoderation is supposed to address this by filtering out the bad moderators, but clearly it's not working.

This "shill" crap that has been flying around lately has to stop! It's restricting a variety of viewpoints from participating on the site and creating an echo chamber.

Those poor, poor software companies. (3, Interesting)

scottbomb (1290580) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832819)

Having to write for multiple platforms... the humanity!

Back in the 80s, they wrote for Commodore, Atari, Apple, Tandy, IBM, CP/M, a handful of others.

Maybe they got spoiled by the 90s, where MS Windows pretty much ruled all computing platforms.

Re:Those poor, poor software companies. (5, Insightful)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#38832925)

Yea... for a billion-dollar software conglomerate, writing different code for different platforms is no big deal, since they have the resources to do so.

For the indie guys like me, who write apps now and again to supplement the pittance we receive from our corporate day jobs (and are lucky to know even one programming language, let alone three), it's a real pain in the ass.

But then, I guess that's the definition of YMMV.

Re:Those poor, poor software companies. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38833215)

If you only know one programming language, it should be no surprise, that you are earning only a pittance as a programmer. Comfortable familiarity with three (an interpreter and a compiling among them) is a bare-bones minimum...

Re:Those poor, poor software companies. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38834151)

Maybe he is earning a pittance doing something other than programming?

Translation by hand introduces mistakes (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#38834921)

It's not that I know only one programming language. I am fairly proficient in at least C, Python, PHP, JavaScript, and even 6502 assembly language. It's just that translating a program from one language to another by hand introduces mistakes and has to be redone by hand every time the "master" version of the program changes.

Re:Those poor, poor software companies. (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#38835319)

The average program of today does more before you even start actually using it than most of those programs did all day, when we were talking with machines with 64kB of RAM.

Time to think about your breathing (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832875)

Hello you are reading the THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING TROLL!
Yes that's right, THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING. Why you might ask? Well it's simple!
Your brain usually takes care of breathing FOR you, but whenever you remember this, YOU MUST MANUALLY BREATH!! If you don't you will DIE.
There are also MANY variations of this. For example, think about:
1. BLINKING!
1. SWALLOWING SALIVA!
1. HOW YOUR FEET FEEL IN YOUR SOCKS!
1. THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING AGAIN!
In conclusion, the THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING troll is simply unbeatable. These 4 words can be thrown randomly into article text trolls, into sigs, into anything, and once seen, WILL FORCE THE VICTIM TO TAKE CARE OF HIS BREATHING MANUALLY! This goes far beyond the simple annoying or insulting trolls of yesteryear.
In fact, by EVEN RESPONDING to this troll, you are proving that IT HAS CLAIMED ANOTHER VICTIM -- YOU!

Why Yahoo will fail (-1)

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Another mobile publisher (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832897)

The last few months I have been doing some research into the trolling phenomenon on slashdot.org. In order to do this as thoroughly as possible, I have written both normal and troll posts, 1st posts, etc., both logged in and anonymously, and I have found these rather shocking results:

* More moderator points are being used to mod posts down than up. Furthermore, when modding a post up, every moderator seems to follow previous moderators in their choices, even when it's not a particularly interesting or clever post [slashdot.org] . There are a LOT more +5 posts than +3 or +4.

* Logged in people are modded down faster than anonymous cowards. Presumably these Nazi Moderators think it's more important to burn a user's existing karma, to silence that individual for the future, than to use the moderation system for what it's meant for : identifying "good" and "bad" posts (Notice how nearly all oppressive governments in the past and present do the same thing : marking individuals as bad and untrustworthy because they have conflicting opinions, instead of engaging in a public discussion about these opinions)

* Once you have a karma of -4 or -5, your posts have a score of -1 by default. When this is the case, no-one bothers to mod you down anymore. This means a logged in user can keep on trolling as much as he (or she) likes, without risking a ban to post on slashdot. When trolling as an anonymous user, every post starts at score 0, and you will be modded down to -1 ON EVERY POST. When you are modded down a certain number of times in 24 hour, you cannot post anymore from your current IP for a day or so. So, for successful trolling, ALWAYS log in.

* A lot of the modded down posts are actually quite clever [slashdot.org] , funny [slashdot.org] , etc., and they are only modded down because they are offtopic. Now, on a news site like slashdot, where the number of different topics of discussion can be counted on 1 hand, I must say I quite like the distraction these posts offer. But no, when the topic is yet another minor version change of the Linux kernel, they only expect ooohs and aaahs about this great feat of engineering. Look at the moderation done in this thread to see what I mean.

* Digging deep into the history of Slashdot, I found this poll [slashdot.org] , which clearly indicates the vast majority does NOT want the moderation we have here today. 'nuff said.

Feel free to use this information to your advantage. I thank you for your time.

Anonymous cowards are... well, cowards.

Netcraft confirms, BSD is dead (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832909)

It is now official. Netcraft has confirmed: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be the Amazing Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1.. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Please help me with my Insluin (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832927)

There was a post last month before thanksgiving on the So-Cal Craigslist with an elderly gentleman selling R type insulin for cash or btc. The last part caught me eye and from out talks, its sounded like he just had a recurring RX and was letting the stuff go for cheap aslong as you payed him the cost and a little bit for his time.

Well last night I went to refil my insulin pump, and woke up nearly dead today. It was just water or saline or who knows.

Point of this post is to see if anyone else saw that post and kept the info, and to warn off people in the LAX area buying insluin online.

or (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832951)

They could just publish their work in HTML and let anybody access it.

I buy books from Baen (baen.com)

Silly title. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832953)

More like Yahoo's Attempt To Streamline Mobile Publishing

GreatBunzinni, stop it (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832963)

GreatBunzinni [slashdot.org] has been posting anonymous accusations [slashdot.org] listing a whole bunch of Slashdot accounts as being part of a marketing campaign for Microsoft, without any evidence. GreatBunzinni has accidentally outed himself [slashdot.org] as this anonymous poster. Half the accounts he attacks don't even post pro-Microsoft rhetoric. The one thing they appear to have in common is that they have been critical of Google in the past. GreatBunzinni has been using multiple accounts to post these "shill" accusations, such as Galestar [slashdot.org] , NicknameOne [slashdot.org] , and flurp [slashdot.org] .

That's not the problem. The problem is that moderators gave him +5 Informative and are now modding down the accused, even for legitimate posts. The metamoderation is supposed to address this by filtering out the bad moderators, but clearly it's not working.

This "shill" crap that has been flying around lately has to stop. It's restricting a variety of viewpoints from participating on the site and creating an echo chamber.

Do the Portman (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832971)

"Trollin', Trollin', Trollin',
perl scripts a' pollin',
keep on slashdot trollin',
Portman!
Mae Ling Mak and First Post,
So I can now boast,
Wishin' my gal was petrified.
All the things I'm missin',
My Karma, baths, and wimmin,
I don't care, or else I'd cry!

CHORUS
Click 'em on, post 'em up
Post 'em up, click 'em on
Click 'em on, post 'em up
Portman!
Click 'em on, post 'em up
Post 'em up, click 'em on
Click 'em on, post 'em up
Portman!

Keep movin', movin', movin',
Though they're disapprovin',
Keep them fingers movin,
Portman!
Don't try to understand 'em,
Just post and reprimand 'em,
Soon we'll be trollin' far and wide!
My porn's stimulatin'
My right hand will be achin'
I don't care or else I'd cry!

Portman!
Portman!

THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING

Think about your breathing! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38832983)

Hello you are reading the THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING TROLL!
Yes that's right, THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING. Why you might ask? Well it's simple!
Your brain usually takes care of breathing FOR you, but whenever you remember this, YOU MUST MANUALLY BREATH! If you don't you will DIE.
There are also MANY variations of this. For example, think about:
1. BLINKING!
1. SWALLOWING SALIVA!
1. HOW YOUR FEET FEEL IN YOUR SOCKS!
1. THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING AGAIN!
In conclusion, the THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING troll is simply unbeatable. These 4 words can be thrown randomly into article text trolls, into sigs, into anything, and once seen, WILL FORCE THE VICTIM TO TAKE CARE OF HIS BREATHING MANUALLY! This goes far beyond the simple annoying or insulting trolls of yesteryear.
In fact, by EVEN RESPONDING to this troll, you are proving that IT HAS CLAIMED ANOTHER VICTIM -- YOU!!

Why exactly? (2)

Hentes (2461350) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833269)

"Right now, content publishers who want to reach readers through dedicated mobile apps have to hire a separate engineering team to build each app — one for iOS (based on Objective-C), another for Android (Java), a third for Windows Phone (C#), etc. Yahoo's Platform Technology Group is working on an alternative: a set of JavaScript and HTML-based tools that would handle core UI and data-management tasks inside mobile apps for any operating system, moving developers closer to the nirvana of 'write once, run everywhere.'

Like, you know, the webpage they already have?

Hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38833333)

So they're recreating the browser. Except, they're using their own standards other than HTML and HTTP. And the thing has a hardcoded home page.
BRILLANT!

Cross Platforn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38833365)

YA PhoneGap is now an opensource Apache project. It can even handle the Android back button correctly. I use PhoneGap plus a JavaScript frame work call joapp http://joapp.com./ [joapp.com.] My IOS applicaiton is currently under review by apple.

not cross platform (yet) (3)

Mike_K (138858) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833429)

Yahoo's Platform Technology Group is working on an alternative: a set of JavaScript and HTML-based tools that would handle core UI and data-management tasks inside mobile apps for any operating system (...) Yahoo is showing off what they can do in the form of Livestand, the news reader app it released for the iPad in November.

Seriously? This is about a cross platform framework that so far has produced a single application that runs on only one platform?

A little premature, don't you think?

Michal

What a moronic post title! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38833481)

Disrupt means to prevent from working properly. Now why would a Yahoo project want to break mobile publishing is beyond comprehension.

Re:What a moronic post title! (1)

mrquagmire (2326560) | more than 2 years ago | (#38833875)

Because 'disrupt' is the hip new buzzword. And we all know that buzzwords make the things they're describing much better.

Disrupt the business models of the incumbents (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#38834935)

Perhaps "disrupt" is shorthand for "disrupt the business models of the incumbent gatekeepers".

f%u3ker (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38833539)

the problems may be hurting the about who can rant I8cludes where you

Simple solution. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38833739)

Just write one App for iOS and don't bother writing for the anything else. Problem solved.

Re:Simple solution. (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#38834941)

Good luck selling a $200 app now that you have to bundle an iPod touch with each copy that you sell to users of phones that run Android, BlackBerry, Java ME, Symbian, Windows Phone 7, or something else.

Yet Another Platform (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38833903)

This only represents *YET ANOTHER* platform to support, until some distant, highly unlikely time when Yahoo! supplants iPhone, Android, Windows, and Blackberry in installed customer base and I can afford to ignore those platforms.

In the meantime, I think it is safe to ignore Yahoo!'s

Enyo! (1)

gregthebunny (1502041) | more than 2 years ago | (#38834127)

Enyo was just released as open source, and is practically the same framework. It will even run on desktop browsers!

http://enyojs.com/ [enyojs.com]

Dogfood it, bitches (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 2 years ago | (#38835069)

Ok, first off, I don't want to hear about disruption or curating, or whatever fucking words the pack-minded journalists have a hard-on over.

Second ... If you've used google's sites on your iPhone or Android, you know that they have very nice mobile websites. I tried using yahoo finance on my iPhone a couple days ago and they didn't bother giving custom layout for mobile devices. If I was head nigger in charge at yahoo, the first step would be optimizing all the web sites to work great on mobile devices. Step two would be beefing up and pushing the web APIs to attract developer mindshare.

Re:Dogfood it, bitches (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#38835349)

Ok, first off, I don't want to hear about disruption or curating, or whatever fucking words the pack-minded journalists have a hard-on over.

The rest of your comment aside, this is what I came here to say. When I read "disrupt" I thought Yahoo! had gone rouge and was planning a DDoS. I'm not homophobic or anything but I mean it in the junior high school sense when I say gay it down a little*, Slashdot.

* I want the rainbow back as well as the word gay, thanks.

yahoo aint disrupting dick (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38836027)

fuck yahoo they're about as relevant as hp

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