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EU ACTA Chief Resigns

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the take-this-treaty-and-shove-it dept.

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bs0d3 writes "The EU ACTA chief has resigned, saying, 'This agreement might have major consequences on citizens' lives, and still, everything is being done to prevent the European Parliament from having its say in this matter. That is why today, as I release this report for which I was in charge, I want to send a strong signal and alert the public opinion about this unacceptable situation. I will not take part in this masquerade.' 22 EU members signed the controversial ACTA treaty Thursday in Tokyo."

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I can understand why (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837055)

I have a tendancy to resign myself when I can't get FIRST POST!

Re:I can understand why (5, Insightful)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837109)

All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. - Various attributions.

Re:I can understand why (4, Insightful)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837227)

Fortunately, for evil to lose not much more is required than for good men to do something.

Re:I can understand why (5, Informative)

dmbasso (1052166) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837413)

I did something, I signed this petition [avaaz.org] . I hope it helps.

http://www.avaaz.org/en/eu_save_the_internet/?fp [avaaz.org]

Re:I can understand why (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837427)

Ah, thanks my European friend, I signed a petition too. I guess it did help.

Re:I can understand why (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837513)

Mod +1 Informative, please

Re:I can understand why (5, Informative)

kinarduk (734762) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837561)

I also did something, I wrote to the MEP's in my area, outlining my position and asking their opinion. They need to know this is important. My local government web site had a link to my MEP's. http://www.thurrock.gov.uk/democracy/content.php?page=mps#c03 [thurrock.gov.uk]

Re:I can understand why (4, Informative)

xaxa (988988) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837671)

Excellent :)

Write to Them [writetothem.com] has a convenient link to MEPs (and MPs, etc).

Re:I can understand why (1)

kinarduk (734762) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837685)

Thanks, so much easier than my way :) Still it's done now... Let's hope they respond.

Re:I can understand why (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837425)

We must do something. This is something, so it must be done! -- politicians

Re:I can understand why (4, Insightful)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837579)

Depends which side has more money. Evil is profitable.

Re:I can understand why (5, Funny)

evilviper (135110) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837541)

Evil will always triumph, because good Is dumb - Dark Helmet

Re:I can understand why (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837643)

All that is required for good to triumph is for evil men to do nothing.

Another politician with half a brain? (5, Funny)

ToiletBomber (2269914) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837083)

I think my faith in humanity might yet be vindicated.

Re:Another politician with half a brain? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837093)

Apparently you've missed the Republican Presidential race.

Re:Another politician with half a brain? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837865)

Ah yes, they're the only ones responsible.

Are you truly that stupid? Are your blinders that large?

Re:Another politician with half a brain? (1)

Mister Transistor (259842) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837971)

Whooosh....

Re:Another politician with half a brain? (-1, Troll)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837117)

I think my faith in humanity might yet be vindicated.

Not so fast.

He got ACTA signed in Europe. He did the job he was paid for, only now can he say whatever he likes.

Re:Another politician with half a brain? (3, Insightful)

SeaFox (739806) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837161)

Looks like a classic case of "Push the red button and then then run into hiding to avoid the angry mob".

Re:Another politician with half a brain? (4, Funny)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837229)

Looks like a classic case of "Push the red button and then then run into hiding to avoid the angry mob".

Vada a bordo, cazzo!

Re:Another politician with half a brain? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837663)

hahahahahaha, grande Schettino

Re:Another politician with half a brain? (5, Insightful)

petman (619526) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837169)

He got ACTA signed in Europe.

That's not how I understand it. I think you got misled by the misleading title of TFA/TFS. He's not the 'EU ACTA Chief'. He was the European Parliament's rapporteur on ACTA. His job was to investigate the issue and produce a report on it.

Re:Another politician with half a brain? (-1, Flamebait)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837461)

That's not how I understand it. I think you got misled by the misleading title of TFA/TFS. He's not the 'EU ACTA Chief'. He was the European Parliament's rapporteur on ACTA. His job was to investigate the issue and produce a report on it.

In other news, rapporteur on the Holocaust concludes in his 1946 report that it was a Bad Thing.

He's a little fucking late, don't you think?

Re:Another politician with half a brain? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837727)

Get a clue before spurting nonsense. The vote in the parliament is still not done, if the vote fails (which he wants to make sure with his dramatic exit), the all the signing by the member states isn't worth the paper the treaty is printed on

Re:Another politician with half a brain? (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837973)

Ahhh... I read "22 member states had signed ACTA" and assumed the worst. More fool me. Now I've read the back-story to that, I'm a little less irate.

Fuck you very much, samzenpus, for your once again inflammatory stub posting. kdawson would be proud.

Re:Another politician with half a brain? (5, Insightful)

TapeCutter (624760) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837939)

He's a little fucking late, don't you think?

Nope, handing over the report and quitting at the same time is perfect timing, especially if you want to draw attention to why you are quitting. Finishing what he started shows he's a professional, had he quit half way through they would have simply replaced him with someone more malleable.

Re:Another politician with half a brain? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837189)

I think my faith in humanity might yet be vindicated.

Not so fast.

He got ACTA signed in Europe. He did the job he was paid for, only now can he say whatever he likes.

He did no such thing. Signing is the responsibility of the respective member countries, specifically their ministers. In "EU-speak" the Council. The next step is to get ACTA ratified in a) the EU parliament and b) the national parliaments, without which ACTA is just a piece of paper with no impact whatsoever except for wasting a lot of time.

What this man did was (at first glance) admirable. Had he done this after the ratification in EUParl had gone through, not so much, but that vote is not until in a few months, and is going to be a highly influenced by this kind of high-profile action.

Still, that doesn't mean you shouldn't call your MEP to make them aware of this action, and the importance of saying no to ACTA

Call me picky but... (5, Informative)

Corporate T00l (244210) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837091)

"News sites" hosted on port 82 set off some alarm bells. That being said, this piece has been picked up by other news sites with more direct citations. Techdirt (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120126/11014317553/european-parliament-official-charge-acta-quits-denounces-masquerade-behind-acta.shtml) and The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/27/eu_signs_acta/) both have articles that are worth reading.

Re:Call me picky but... (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837245)

"News sites" hosted on port 82 set off some alarm bells.

So why don't you fill us in then? What is so suspicious about using port 82? Is that port often used by pedophiles or terrorists? Is that the port that the NSA uses to spy on people?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Re:Call me picky but... (3, Interesting)

Rockoon (1252108) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837285)

What is so suspicious about using port 82?

Because its not 80. Why isnt this alleged news site (that is either down or is slashdotted right now) not using the standard http port?

Re:Call me picky but... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837319)

What is so suspicious about using port 82?

Because its not 80

That's a circular argument. Care to elaborate?

I have to defend this argument (that port 82 is inherently suspicious) in a thesis paper. If you can give me the answer before 9:00 AM EST you will have saved me from failure, and possibly protected me from ruining my life (by inadvertently using port 82 to read news articles).

Thanks in advance!

Re:Call me picky but... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837537)

The reason it is (or could be) suspicious is because not using the default HTTP port can cause a tremendous amount of trouble due to corporate firewalls and proxies, and one would need a really good reason to not use the default port. The only reason I can think of not using the default port is If one illegally gained to a machine hosting a well-known public website, one wanted to start hosting an imposter website in parrallel on it without taking the main site down (which would immediately alert the website owners), but still be able to use the domain name.

Re:Call me picky but... (1, Troll)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837753)

So basically, you're saying "It's different, therefore I find it scary and view it with suspicion."

Yeah, great. That mindset has served mankind very well over the years.

Re:Call me picky but... (4, Informative)

jareth-0205 (525594) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837891)

So basically, you're saying "It's different, therefore I find it scary and view it with suspicion."

Yeah, great. That mindset has served mankind very well over the years.

Jeez... we're not talking a moral choice here, we're talking about a technical standard. And if you do something different from the standard and nobody can think of a good reason... but they *can* think of a number of nefarious reasons... that's a pretty good basis for suspicion.

Re:Call me picky but... (2)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837505)

Perhaps because they're not a huge shop, can't afford the kind of security personnel Sony have (fnar fnar), and someone told them that not using the most commonly associated port with a specific service can help protect against automated attacks at the expense of minimal cost to the consumer.

Perhaps.

Re:Call me picky but... (4, Informative)

geogob (569250) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837327)

The whole idea of a "news site" is to be openly accessible. A website on a non-standard port is still openly accessible, but only to those who know the site is accessibly through this port. This knowledge may either be direct or indirect (like through a link like here).

Basically, its a news site only accessible to the general public through linking. This points a lot to "targeted news", which also tend to point into the direction of "false news" and/or "propaganda". Now, I'm not implying this is the case here. In fact, there are many other possible explanation, one of them being the one I just provided. As the previous post said, it "sets off some alarm bells", but it doesn't necessarily mean something foul is going on. It's just weird.

As for your open, trollishy questions, I'll say this. Many illegal activities that are performed on the web, regardless of their nature, do so on sites accessible only through nonstandard ports, like port 82, to hide the said activities from general view. Only those within intimate knowledge of the activities know the ports and can thus access those sites.

Re:Call me picky but... (1)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837495)

The whole idea of a "news site" is to be openly accessible. A website on a non-standard port is still openly accessible, but only to those who know the site is accessibly through this port.

... and most importantly, it is only accessible to those not behind a coproate firewall which only lets 80 through.

This knowledge may either be direct or indirect (like through a link like here).

Well, the link was present in the Slashdot summary, so it's not a question about knowledge. And a link would have been needed even on a site hosted on port 80, as there are many pages on a site, and the link allows to directly go to the page of interest.

As for your open, trollishy questions, I'll say this. Many illegal activities that are performed on the web, regardless of their nature, do so on sites accessible only through nonstandard ports, like port 82, to hide the said activities from general view. Only those within intimate knowledge of the activities know the ports and can thus access those sites.

Indeed. Not only corporate firewalls think that all web sites are on port 80, so do many network sniffers. Thus using a non-standard port is a way to evade some of these sniffers.

Re:Call me picky but... (1)

jzu (74789) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837353)

News sites usually answer on port 80, or 443, you know. 82 is highly unusual, so much that my corporate proxy won't let me connect. Who are these guys, whose site is on 82? Are they serious? I don't know, and couldn't read TFA, but this port does ring a bell in the "amateur news site" section.

See, they called Kader Arif a "Chief" when he's only the "rapporteur". From Techdirt on this subject [techdirt.com] , 'A rapporteur is a person "appointed by a deliberative body to investigate an issue."', far from a "Chief".

Re:Call me picky but... (1)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837523)

See, they called Kader Arif a "Chief" when he's only the "rapporteur". From Techdirt on this subject [techdirt.com], 'A rapporteur is a person "appointed by a deliberative body to investigate an issue."', far from a "Chief".

maybe not a chief, but still a very important person to the proposal. The rapporteur is supposed to investigate the proposal, and then to present it to the deliberative body for approval, usually making a case in favor of the proposal. If now the rapporteur, who is supposed to defend the proposal, is already against it, this speaks volumes...

However, this doesn't mean that ACTA is dead yet. What will probably happen is that the MAFIAA will just chose another rapporteur (being more careful this time around...), and so the only effect will be that the vote will be slightly delayed, if even that.

Re:Call me picky but... (1)

impaledsunset (1337701) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837279)

Port racism!

Re:Call me picky but... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837545)

Damn right.

Re:Call me picky but... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837321)

Mr Kader Arif gave some insight here [numerama.com]:

(french) http://www.numerama.com/magazine/21424-acta-demissionnaire-kader-arif-denonce-une-mascarade.html
(google tr) http://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.numerama.com%2Fmagazine%2F21424-acta-demissionnaire-kader-arif-denonce-une-mascarade.html&act=url

"I want to denounce as the greatest of all the process that led to the signing of this agreement: no association of civil society, lack of transparency from the beginning of negotiations, successive postponements of the signing of the text without no explanation was given, setting aside the claims of the European Parliament, however, expressed in several resolutions of this assembly, "he complains.

The MEP also confirms what we reported on the schedule to the charge imposed for parliamentary committees to express their views on the content of the agreement. "As the reporter on this text, I also faced unprecedented maneuvers of the right of Parliament to impose an accelerated schedule to pass the agreement as soon as possible before the public is alerted, denying that the European Parliament's right of expression and the tools at its disposal to carry the legitimate demands of citizens. "

For Kader Arif, "everyone knows, the ACTA has greement problem, whether its impact on civil liberties, responsibilities it imposes on providers of Internet access, impact on the manufacture of generic drugs and the lack of protection it offers to our geographical indications ".

"This agreement can have major consequences on the lives of our citizens, and yet everything is done for the European Parliament has no say. So today, in submitting this report in my charge, I wants to send a strong signal and alert the public about this unacceptable situation. I will not participate in this charade. "

Re:Call me picky but... (1)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837391)

"News sites" hosted on port 82 set off some alarm bells.

... and they also tend to crumble lots quicker under the slashdot...

It's not the first time (4, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837101)

It's not the first time the government of the EU has made decisions that hurt the people, using tricks to get them past the populace. And it won't be the last. We can expect a lot of bad stuff coming up, with the economic crisis.

Re:It's not the first time (1)

Teun (17872) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837131)

What does this personal action of a politician have to do with an economic crisis?

Re:It's not the first time (3, Insightful)

alci63 (1856480) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837293)

Making decisions without taking the people into account is becoming quite common these days in EU. Crisis is the best justification they found. When Papaandreou said he will make a referendum, he was dismissed. An ex-banker is now leading the country. In Italy, it was decided (not by the people) the government should be changed. An ex-banker is now leading the country. See this http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/37700.html [quotationspage.com] ... So the fact that governments are making EU level decisions without consulting the only elected instance at the EU level (the parlament) is quite concerning.

Re:It's not the first time (4, Informative)

Teun (17872) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837477)

In Italy it was decided and approved in and by the elected parliament they needed a different government than the one led by Berlusconi.

Of course the rest of Europe put a lot of pressure on the Italians to get this change of government but it was and still is still 100% in the power of the parliament to agree with the new governments policies or ultimately send it home.

The Greek situation is from a democratic point of view not much different, parliament can send their government packing at any moment it no longer agrees with the policies proposed.

Since last year the EU has become closer to the electorate now the EU parliament can veto policies put forward by the commission. These EU commission policies don't fall from the sky, they are the result of lengthy deliberations between the governments of the member states who also have to answer to their parliaments at home.

So when you, like me, are not happy with the signing of the ACTA agreement you should also contact your local politicians, not just the MEP's.

Re:It's not the first time (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#38838003)

Yep. Nothing quite like a quasi-binding non-elected government body dictating to a sovereign nation on what they should do on their internal affairs. You forgot to mention about them wanting to siphon off a few trillion euros and be immune from prosecution though.

Re:It's not the first time (1)

bloblu (891170) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837369)

The Parliament, having a say in the matter, protests vehemently. What more can they do? This is a problem at the level of Member States, not EU institutions.

Re:It's not the first time (1)

Teun (17872) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837485)

They can veto the proposal.

Re:It's not the first time (1)

Anzya (464805) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837399)

That is because people don't know their history regarding EU. When it first started it was an economic union. The target was to help companies, not the people. Since then it has changed it's name but I belive that its root values are still there. There are people who try to change it though.

Re:It's not the first time (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837591)

The EU? Find me a government that hasn't done that.

Why can't more politicians do this? (1)

euroq (1818100) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837115)

I think it would fix so many problems...

Re:Why can't more politicians do this? (-1, Flamebait)

gutnor (872759) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837167)

What is the difference with other politicians really ? He apologized at the end, after he screwed everyone ? That is even worse IMO than a politician that is convinced he is doing something good: this one completed something that was against his opinion without complaining until it was too late.

Re:Why can't more politicians do this? (3, Interesting)

petman (619526) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837183)

How did he screw everyone?

Re:Why can't more politicians do this? (0)

Theophany (2519296) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837221)

How can a factually inaccurate comment made by somebody who clearly doesn't understand the issue here get modded up to 3?

Re:Why can't more politicians do this? (0)

Khyber (864651) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837755)

How can someone that reads slashdot not know that people with good/excellent karma START out at 3?

Talk about being poorly informed, yourself, pal.

hey dude. (2)

unity100 (970058) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837409)

he is the RAPPORTEUR for acta. his duty was to investigate the proceedings, and report to european parliament. he did NOT have anyone sign acta.

Re:Why can't more politicians do this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837479)

Well if everyone who refused to participate in unacceptable acts was to leave, who would remain?

How do we protest this? (5, Interesting)

Zandamesh (1689334) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837123)

What we need is a simple webpage with links to complete tutorials of how to protest this for each country, where people can edit the tutorials, like, a wikipedia for protests. I don't know how to create such a website quickly, but I'm sure some guys on Slashdot could whip out something like this in a couple of hours.

Re:How do we protest this? (5, Informative)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837171)

Once again the French come through:How to act against ACTA [laquadrature.net] .

In addition, if you're a member or supporter of any national party in Europe, lean on your party's committee members as well. Often they have a large influence on their EU counterparts, and don't forget that your own governments still have to ratify the treaty.

Sadly, it looks like in many countries ACTA will sail through the ratification process: at that point most ruling parties will already have given it their implicit endorsement, and they might look silly nacking out now. Rebelious coalition members might vote in favour as well, out of political expedience. If the EU parliament does not kill this, I guess it'll be too late.

Re:How do we protest this? (2, Insightful)

Khyber (864651) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837765)

"What we need is a simple webpage"

What you need is to grow a pair and shoot the bastards responsible for this.

I'm proud of Mr Arif (5, Insightful)

Trapezium Artist (919330) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837129)

What can I say? I'm very pleased that Kader Arif had the guts to make his disgust with the ACTA process known so publicly. His actions deserve to be widely recognised outside the tech community as well as within; we should ensure that "regular" media outlets cover this part of the story.

Will his stand bring down the entire shameful edifice that is ACTA? No. Is it an important part of the battle that is being fought and must continue to be fought? Yes.

Re:I'm proud of Mr Arif (2)

Spottywot (1910658) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837297)

OK, but what is he going to do next? If he feels so strongly about this, why did he not remain in his position and use that power more constructively? This isn't likely to be put in front of the E.U. parliament before June so who is this going to notice this 'falling on my sword act' apart from those who already oppose this, i.e. Slashdotters and the like. I'll gladly eat my words if this makes national news anywhere.

Re:I'm proud of Mr Arif (1)

mr_gorkajuice (1347383) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837445)

Exactly. My first thought was "Finally we have a politician worth his salt, and then he quits".

Re:I'm proud of Mr Arif (3, Insightful)

Rakarra (112805) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837617)

OK, but what is he going to do next? If he feels so strongly about this, why did he not remain in his position and use that power more constructively? This isn't likely to be put in front of the E.U. parliament before June so who is this going to notice this 'falling on my sword act' apart from those who already oppose this, i.e. Slashdotters and the like.

Sometimes you are put into a token position where you have no real power, where no one has to answer to you and you can enact no policies. Not uncommon in, say, a sham investigation. In that case his only power is to resign in the most public and shaming manner possible.

Re:I'm proud of Mr Arif (5, Interesting)

Capitaine (2026730) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837631)

Just checked out the 3 major French (Le Monde, Liberation, Le Figaro) and German (Frankfurter Algemein, Süddeutscher Zeitung, Die Welt) newspaper website. No trace of the ACTA. Nothing more in economical newspapers. Your words are safe.

Re:I'm proud of Mr Arif (1)

slydder (549704) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837347)

I have to admit. It's one of the few times that the French has impressed me. Respect Mr. Arif.

Re:I'm proud of Mr Arif (1)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837769)

"ACTA? It's like that SOAP or PIPE thing them kids been screamin' about on the Facebooks? Who cares, let those cheese-eating surrender monkeys go out and buy some good ol' American films, the thievin' little shits!"

Fundamental disconnect: (2)

tkel (2454568) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837147)

'This agreement might have major consequences on citizens' lives'

Re:Fundamental disconnect: (4, Interesting)

JavaBear (9872) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837173)

"might"?

There is nothing "might" about it. It will have devastating effect on a lot of law-abiding users, and probably very little on the less law-abiding users, if not outright help the "pirates" in the long run.
But it will criminalize the majority of the internet users.

Re:Fundamental disconnect: (5, Insightful)

petman (619526) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837195)

Since ACTA is yet to be passed by the parliaments, then "might" is the right word.

Re:Fundamental disconnect: (3, Interesting)

analyst-cz (1386075) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837635)

It is still underestimated by EU governments, that repression can be successful (victorious) in long run only if it is supported at least by the "silent majority" of public. This is not, or at least will not, be the case of ACTA, if ever tried to be really enforced. There REALLY SHOULD be some official government security advisor, that can put together several bits proved by the true human history:
1) "Bread and games" concept and fall of the Roman empire once it (for any good reason) was unwilling or unable to support it anymore. (No way I say it was the only one reason, off course, but still the significant one.)
2) It is generally reproved by historians as well as the humanity to cut the hand for stealing the bread during medieval. It can easily be the same about jailing people because they looked at the film or played the game after several hundred years.
3) Total number of victims in consequence of the Red October Revolution (which was just misuse of general public discontent by selfish political movements) was bigger then the WWII victims count. (And still it failed in long run once it itself turned towards the repressions.)
Such a revolution could hardly occur (or at least be so massive), if capitalism would timely adapted it's hunger for money to some sustainable position, as it was forced to do anyways as the consequence of the revolution. The parallel is in adapting new, sharing based, business models by major content producers (what, I believe, could paradoxically even increase their profit - at least in the middle horizon) instead of provocative and generally ineffective repressions.
4) People suffering large (=unpayable) fees, thus loosing their homes and possession, suffering arresting of their children ("stealers" of the copyrighted content) and lack of access to any relaxation, aggression diminishing, sources (i.e. copyrighted content) will tend to join ANY riots, regardless of how obscure goal they serve behind the curtain.
5) Final prove is the recent Greece history, where EU-enforced saving rules (which in general and especially compared to the ACTA targets are very reasonable) showed to be even more cost consumptive (because of the productivity decrease by strikes and cost increase due to suppressions of public riots plus collateral damage) than would be the status quo. This fact is not too publicly disseminated, but is confirmed by EU officials in some public sources and is behind the very recent statements of the Angela Merkel admitting the ability of the Greece bankrupt.

On the site note: yes, I do agree that any repressive push is just in the favor of the International Pirate Movement (which I foresee to be in the similar position now as Green Movement was in 70 years of last century, large uprise ahead), but still I do not support "the end justifies the means" approach if such a collateral damage is predictable.

Terrorists (2)

masterfpt (1435165) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837235)

The American Mafia that is terrorising the other (EU, and then some) countries (bribing, black-mailing, pressuring, whatever) should be arrested by "your" patriot act and sent to guatanamo. They are a menace not only to the life of every American, as to the whole world.

I never thought that my generation would ever get the world to this state. Seems we were a bad batch... "I don't want to live in this world anymore..."

awww sh*t! (3, Insightful)

gciochina (1655025) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837253)

I'm from Romania and I think I can say that I've been actively involved in "down with SOPA/PIPA" movement... and, for now, looks like we've won a battle on these two. However, i'm getting really worried about the whole ACTA stuff, because I don't think that we'll ever manage to get that much support for an anti-ACTA movement. Right now, at least two of the guys (Romanians) we've got in the EU parliament are certified retards and i'm pretty sure that they'll never consider the full implications of their vote on this one. The most disturbing thing is that the majority of the population hasn't even heard of ACTA, SOPA, PIPA... let alone ever heard of what they stand for and how will these change their lives. Without a huge move like the one made by Reddit/ Wikipedia/ Google & Co/ etc we'll never be able to stop it. Right now, the only thing i can think of is FML :(.

Re:awww sh*t! (1)

dokc (1562391) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837381)

Without a huge move like the one made by Reddit/ Wikipedia/ Google & Co/ etc we'll never be able to stop it.

You must have some important (and independent) site which can black-out Internet. ACTA will hit hard on ISP's, it must be a chance that they can put a pop-up Web Page once per day or every few hours explaining to Internet users whats going on? Or they are just in the hands of politicians who signed the ACTA?

Re:awww sh*t! (1)

gciochina (1655025) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837439)

You must have some important (and independent) site which can black-out Internet. ACTA will hit hard on ISP's, it must be a chance that they can put a pop-up Web Page once per day or every few hours explaining to Internet users whats going on? Or they are just in the hands of politicians who signed the ACTA?

good point, but that's exactly my concern above ... there are 22 countries that have already signed. basically it's impossible to get people from 22 countries informed via one or two important sites. what we are using here everyday are basically the same big-name sites that US/Australia & others are using (Wikipedia, YouTube, Google) but asides from that, everyone is on his own: For instance in Romania, (probably) the only high-impact news site is hotnews(.)ro. But can't guarantee for it's independence.... And even if we would manage to get hotnews to make a blackout/popup warning about ACTA, this would only get us 1 vote down.

Re:awww sh*t! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837483)

Or they are just in the hands of politicians who signed the ACTA?

Now that's an understatement! :)

You'll understand my (sad) amuzement once I explain some thing about most of that region (Russia, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Ukraine etc.). It's rife with politician collusion in Mafia-like organizations at national level. Basically the entire system becomes one big corrupt blob which infiltrates everything: justice, administration, religion, health, economy, education, mass media etc. It's core purpose: making money for the members, mainly by robbing massively from national resources, EU grants, IMF loans, anything and anyhow, without any regard for long term consequences.

Choices for average Joe: A) join the system, leave backbone and scruples at the door; B) don't join the system, lead an honest life, but you'll never get ahead; C) GTFO of the country. Of course there's also D) civil disobedience and protests, but the population in these countries is usually brainwashed by decades, sometimes centuries, of "bread and circus", and sistematically kept out of practice with any kind of stepping out of line.

Even so, in the long term the resources eventually dry up and the shit hits the fan. Now, I'm not gonna throw all those countries in the same basket; each of them has very different circumstances. But the economical crisis has exposed the ugly underbelly of the system and brought the end so much closer, and it's coming to a conclusion soon.

Coming back to topic: adopting ACTA against the interest of the citizens is perfectly natural in such systems, but it's a drop in the ocean. Stuff like that is business as usual in these countries, and they have much bigger issues right now, such as nearing complete collapse of economy, health care, education etc.

Re:awww sh*t! (1)

gciochina (1655025) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837667)

Or they are just in the hands of politicians who signed the ACTA?

Now that's an understatement! :)

You'll understand my (sad) amuzement once I explain some thing about most of that region (Russia, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Ukraine etc.). It's rife with politician collusion in Mafia-like organizations at national level. Basically the entire system becomes one big corrupt blob which infiltrates everything: justice, administration, religion, health, economy, education, mass media etc. It's core purpose: making money for the members, mainly by robbing massively from national resources, EU grants, IMF loans, anything and anyhow, without any regard for long term consequences.

Choices for average Joe: A) join the system, leave backbone and scruples at the door; B) don't join the system, lead an honest life, but you'll never get ahead; C) GTFO of the country. Of course there's also D) civil disobedience and protests, but the population in these countries is usually brainwashed by decades, sometimes centuries, of "bread and circus", and sistematically kept out of practice with any kind of stepping out of line.

Even so, in the long term the resources eventually dry up and the shit hits the fan. Now, I'm not gonna throw all those countries in the same basket; each of them has very different circumstances. But the economical crisis has exposed the ugly underbelly of the system and brought the end so much closer, and it's coming to a conclusion soon.

Coming back to topic: adopting ACTA against the interest of the citizens is perfectly natural in such systems, but it's a drop in the ocean. Stuff like that is business as usual in these countries, and they have much bigger issues right now, such as nearing complete collapse of economy, health care, education etc.

What this guy wrote here is totally true, (sadly) especially in my country.

activepolitic.com:82 Link not work (2)

sugarmotor (621907) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837259)

URL: http://activepolitic.com:82/News/2012-01-26d/EU_ACTA_chief_resigns_in_disgust_over_disrespect_at_citizens.html [activepolitic.com]

        Connection to 64.30.66.124 failed.

The system returned: (111) Connection refused

Here's some alternative, https://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/ACTA_rapporteur_denounces_ACTA_mascarade [laquadrature.net] which quotes from Kader Arif's blog:

http://www.kader-arif.fr/actualites.php?actualite_id=147 [kader-arif.fr]

Probably was the best course of action (4, Interesting)

BeforeCoffee (519489) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837265)

It's probably best for himself and his family that he made a big show of his dissent like this. There's probably some angry, big moneyed cockroaches that are scurrying after the light was shone on their big bureaucratic power grab.

These fat media/government cockroaches are appearing more and more desperate, no?

It's just a matter of time till the lazy-ass 1337 network hackers get their collective acts together and start shunting their god-given right to free traffic off onto a pure P2P, encrypted, usually-connected, fido-net style worldwide wireless network grid a la "media net" from The Diamond Age by Neil Stephenson.

"The media net was designed from the ground up to provide privacy and security, so that people could use it to transfer money. That’s one reason the nation-states collapsed – as soon as the media grid was up and running, financial transactions could no longer be monitored by governments."

'Monitored' is post-central-government era term that means the same as 'controlled'. In our lifetimes, there will be no centralized corporate/governmental infrastructure worth controlling. And the most delicious part: their goofy special protections for DRM in the 90's will be their undoing.

Computer networks, exchange and value, ideation and realization - these have all become interlinked concepts. The hub is the network.

Guess what, cockroaches? The democracy genie is outta the bottle, and it has been for 15 years. These desperate, piddly attempts of yours to stuff it back in the bottle won't work for long. (And if the people would just WAKE UP, they won't work at all!)

Re:Probably was the best course of action (5, Insightful)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837315)

Guess what, cockroaches? The democracy genie is outta the bottle, and it has been for 15 years. These desperate, piddly attempts of yours to stuff it back in the bottle won't work for long.

It's funny for me to read this not two minutes after I finished Roger Hutchinson's book High Sixites, a sweeping view of 1960s youth culture. The final pages are an interview with the artist Jeff Nuttall held in 1991, at the end of the Thatcher era. Nuttall poignantly recalls that he thought at the time that his generation had triumphed, that conservative forces should just step out of the way since they had already plainly lost. And then came two decades (and more) that did away with all that they had accomplished, and with their hope itself.

For our own generation, the genie may well go back in the bottle...

Re:Probably was the best course of action (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837493)

Some 'hippies' from that era are now Big Business themselves, directly making deal with government leaders.

Re:Probably was the best course of action (3, Insightful)

Rakarra (112805) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837633)

Some 'hippies' from that era are now Big Business themselves, directly making deal with government leaders.

The pot smokers of that 60s eventually had kids, but those parents come up with all sorts of BS reasons for why it was ok for them to smoke, but not their kids. Those same hypocrites will also change their business ways now that they actually have some money in the game.

Re:Probably was the best course of action (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837527)

the second coming in a revolution?

Re:Probably was the best course of action (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837547)

One wonders if Ireland will be the turncoat in this saga - Ireland is at the forefront of imposing ACTA-type restrictions (already in force with the ISP Eircom, and coming into force on all other ISPs through a statutory instrument being prepared this week, following the failure of a case against the ISP UPC). Ireland is also host to the European headquarters of Google, Twitter, Facebook and almost every other internet company whose business is threatened by carrier-liability laws.

I can see Ireland's government having a Damascene conversion to oppose ACTA if there is enough public anger combined with enough business lobbying.

Re:Probably was the best course of action (0, Offtopic)

BeforeCoffee (519489) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837569)

It's funny for me to read this because I'm a rabid conservative libertarian. I've always thought the liberal forces should just wither away (as they are designed to do) and yield to those who would lead and do. There's this odd built-in, self-hating weakness in liberal thought that usually breeds more weakness whenever it gains traction with the herd.

As to whether the democracy genie will go back in the bottle or not, I like to think nature always finds a way. So, I'm thinking these niggly bureaucratic speedbumps we're running into today will eventually get ground away to nothingness by natural progress. The way the internet works is core to our human nature, and we're survivors, but it's also all very v1. Needs lots of refining just like our individual thinking needs refining.

Don't misunderestimate Gen-X, we're punchy and we're taking power.

Re:Probably was the best course of action (3, Interesting)

MatthiasF (1853064) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837995)

Every generation grows up thinking it invented revolution, rebellion, drug-use, sex, and a new world.

Every generation becomes a teenager and picks something the government is doing, thinks it's wrong and protests.

But every generation grows up and eventually realizes they were really dumb when they were younger after they learn every generation before them did the same thing and it made no difference.

Re:Probably was the best course of action (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#38838001)

"It's just a matter of time till the lazy-ass 1337 network hackers get their collective acts together and start shunting their god-given right to free traffic off onto a pure P2P, encrypted, usually-connected, fido-net style worldwide wireless network grid"

Go support Freenet. It's all of those things except the wireless, which may be added on with ease once node density increases. We're having retention issues at the moment, so if you'd run a node or two with a terabyte-sized store and a fair amount of bandwidth it would really help.

why people loss money in the stock market (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837275)

Know the common reasons why people loose money in the stock market and avoid them to earn money from the share market

Stealth laws (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837447)

It seems my country has signed this, and it's funny as hell (or not) that I've only known it through slashdot.
Local journalists don't talk about it, so the information doesn't reach the population. I'm sick, tired and disgusted of these politicians and lobbyists, how come we don't have a say in the matter?

Democracy? It's more like pseudo-dictatorship to me.

European Citizens' Initiative (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837473)

http://ec.europa.eu/citizens-initiative

What is a European citizens' initiative?
A European citizens' initiative is an invitation to the European Commission to propose legislation on matters where the EU has competence to legislate. A citizens' initiative has to be backed by at least one million EU citizens, coming from at least 7 out of the 27 member states. A minimum number of signatories is required in each of those 7 member states.

The rules and procedures governing the citizens' initiative are set out in an EU Regulation http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2011:065:0001:0022:EN:PDF adopted by the European Parliament and the Council of the European Union in February 2011.

What can be proposed as a citizens' initiative?
A citizens' initiative is possible in any field where the Commission has the power to propose legislation, for example environment, agriculture, transport or public health...

Re:European Citizens' Initiative (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837701)

I am here not to criticize you, but I would like to make statement about the wording "at least 7 out of the 27 member states."

I think it would be better to write: at least 26% of all the member states. Or at least: at least 7 out of all the member states.

Please explain ACTA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837529)

I have never heard of ACTA. It is clearly another SOPA/PIPA fight but what is going on and what should i do?

Re:Please explain ACTA (0)

Khyber (864651) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837779)

Get a gun, shoot all people responsible for the drafting of ACTA.

It's the only way to be sure.

Re:Please explain ACTA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837809)

ACTA is the base treaty. It is the reason why SOPA and PIPA exist.

Alternative link. (1)

Sinn3d (1594333) | more than 2 years ago | (#38837673)

Some slashdotting going on I think... Still here is a translated piece of his own website,

http://njuice.com/4QR9 [njuice.com]

why (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837715)

Isn't there a single article on this subject on main newspapers?

Lost in translation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837771)

I suspect: masquerade -> deception

spanking needed ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38837945)

"22 EU members signed the controversial ACTA treaty Thursday in Tokyo."

these 22 EU members need some serious spanking ... or at least house arrest for 33 days without TV and internet..

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