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Some Windows 8 Laptops May Come With Built-In Kinect Sensors

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the ah-kin-see-you dept.

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An anonymous reader writes to point out reports that Asus is "working on a new laptop that will include Kinect gestures and will be compatible with Windows 8," and adds, "What does this mean for the consumer? Portable gestures in Windows 8!" Wired has an article based on the same report, which mentions also the prospect of devices incorporating alternative gesture-tracking software from SoftKinectic and others.

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This could be amazing for the disabled (5, Insightful)

assemblerex (1275164) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852477)

I hope they make it have fine enough resolution it will work for challenged people.

Re:This could be amazing for the disabled (4, Funny)

Vecanti (2384840) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852513)

I have Parkinson's you insensitive clod!

Re:This could be amazing for the disabled (2)

Albert Sandberg (315235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38853455)

even if you don't have parkinsons, it might look like it sometimes...

Re:This could be amazing for the disabled (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38853457)

Could you hold my penis?

Re:This could be amazing for the disabled (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38852623)

Not very much, or not in laptops at least.

Kinect's recommendations were something like "at least 1.8m from sensor", not very useful with laptop. It leaves only face gestures [youtube.com] recognition.

But, well, if you limit "challenged people" to "quadriplegic", yep, that would be a lot of help.

Re:This could be amazing for the disabled (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852669)

Kinect's recommendations were something like "at least 1.8m from sensor"

Maybe its a different sensor.

Re:This could be amazing for the disabled (1)

Gibgezr (2025238) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852679)

Yeah, I bet they are designing/calibrating these ones for closer use.

Re:This could be amazing for the disabled (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 2 years ago | (#38853129)

Its probably just like the long range one works from 1.8 to 3 metres and the short range one works from 0.2 to 0.5 metres.

Re:This could be amazing for the disabled (2)

Vecanti (2384840) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852699)

I have Bell's Palsy you insensitive clod!

Re:This could be amazing for the disabled (2)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852761)

Is that you, Rocky? Peter Petrelli perhaps?!

Re:This could be amazing for the disabled (1)

sbrown7792 (2027476) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852877)

IIRC, the new kinects that microsoft have been (are going to?) sell specifically for the PC (at a higher price, of course) were designed with a different sensor, such that the user could be much closer to the kinect than previously. This probably was the stepping stone for these new laptops.

Re:This could be amazing for the disabled (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38853901)

kinect 2 has near mode that can see position fingers.

Re:This could be amazing for the disabled (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38853927)

WTF is a position finger you dyslexic fuck?

Re:This could be amazing for the disabled (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38853951)

I have a figure gesture for you ....

Re:This could be amazing for the disabled (4, Informative)

Gumbercules!! (1158841) | more than 2 years ago | (#38854299)

It is a different sensor, which was discussed on Slashdot recently. Microsoft announced it as CES 2012 - basically it's a special version for Desktop / PC use and it's useful range is from 30cm or there abouts. They've also released some APIs and so on, which will still work with the Xbox 360 1.8m version, but only while in beta. It's actually pretty cool and I am looking forward to it. I think it's the best way to get touchscreen like interface options, without the bad idea that having a touch screen laptop or desktop would be. It's one of the few IT announcements I am actually excited about, of late. (And please, because I know it is the fad on /. these days to accuse anyone who is positive on any MS product of being a paid shill, feel free to check my years long commenting history, much of which is -ve of MS. I am not a paid shill for MS. It just happens that I really like what I've seen of this product - albeit none of which has been in person; I've only seen product demos on youtube, etc, so perhaps the real thing actually sucks).

I remember seeing the Samsung touch screen see through Window on youtube, from CES and think Kinect, coupled with Windows like that, would make for a pretty awesome house! :-)

Re:This could be amazing for the disabled (3, Interesting)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852937)

You know I was confused for a moment because I work with "challenged" people all the time, until I realized you might have meant physically challenged people.

Seriously though, how is extra resolution on the kinect sensor going to help physically challenged people? I know some people that have challenges like that and I don't see how extra resolution is going to help with recognizing their hand gestures. I would think that training the software would be far more effective and required because each challenged person is going to have different "quirks" to their movements that need to be learned.

Having that sensor alone as a standard on laptops going forward, regardless of resolutions, seems to open the doors for software to help all sorts of people interact with their computers more effectively and easily.

Of course, ironically, one of the last articles had a poster with ALS being lambasted because he did not take the time to cut and paste from his blog instead of just linking to it. The Jerk! I know right? Would extra resolution help with somebody like Stephen Hawking to recognize facial twitches reliably?

Re:This could be amazing for the disabled (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38853197)

You said:

You know I was confused for a moment because I work with "challenged" people all the time, until I realized you might have meant physically challenged people.

While we're talking about accessibility, I think now is a good time for retard stories. My friend's older brother was born a strong, violent retard. My friend had invited his schoolmates, both boys and girls, to his 13th birthday party. We were all playing volleyball in his backyard when one of the girls joked that the birthday boy needed a kiss. On cue, out comes the violent apish retard, whipping his dick out for all to see, yelling, "kiss this!" while the girls hid their eyes and screamed.

Another story involving the same violent retard happened like this: The friend and I were water-wrestling in his swimming pool. The violent retard wanted in on the fun and so he jumped in the pool and dunked his little brother, holding him underwater for at least a good 60 seconds. When my friend finally broke free from his brother's clutches, he ran out of the pool crying, screaming," You fucking retard!" Minutes later the violent retard was sitting at the table across from his mother, and she asked him, "Why did you do that?" The violent retard screamed, "Monkey see, monkey FUCK!" outside at the top of his lungs.

-- Another informative story from the amazing life experience of Ethanol-fueled

Re:This could be amazing for the disabled (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38853503)

If you hadn't told us he was retarded, I would have assumed he was black.

Re:This could be amazing for the disabled (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38853985)

Q: What do you call a retarded nigger?

A: A nigger!

Re:This could be amazing for the disabled (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38854071)

I think the poster means that if it can recognize more subtle movements like by individual fingers, it would be more useful. I don't think they're talking about quirks.

Re:This could be amazing for the disabled (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38853347)

Forget that. I want to have a password in the form of an interpretive dance.

Can we get the systems with windows 7? (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852489)

With the big changes in windows 8 I don't think alot of people will want it right a way.

Re:Can we get the systems with windows 7? (1)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852833)

Doubt it. When Vista came out, there were tons of laptops people wanted to buy explicitly to wipe Vista and put XP on them, but the few I knew that tried had a ton of driver issues and all sorts of other problems. Granted, this was within the first month or so of Vista launch, so it could have taken a while for the XP drivers for the hardware to get out there, but it was pretty broken at first.

I would expect similar issues with Windows 8 hardware, especially the Kinect sensors. I wouldn't be surprised if they just required Windows 8 completely.

Re:Can we get the systems with windows 7? (2)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#38853525)

It wont be the same and Windows 7 will be there. That was only true for the first 3 months of Vista where OEMS had a rude awakening.

I am struggling to get my parents to leave XP. There excuse is its a new computer they bought in Christmas 2007 ( a year after Vista). My father is not a computere genius but he reads the news and knows Vista was a POS and Dell advertised their XP 64 line of XPS for consumers and not just business users.

Most OEMs this time arround will learn the lesson and offer both or have drivers. The driver model is windows 7 64 bit for Windows 8 and many corporations are just trying to leave XP now and will still be this summer when Windows 8 hits the streets. Windows 7 will be the new XP of the 2010s. Like Vista Metro is not mature yet and has some many issues for desktop productivity.Windows 7 will install fine and OEMs this time around will anticipate a demand for Windows 7 after the Vista disaster.

Who knows MS may work ont he desktop and add the start button back, add overlapping Windows, add a task bar for multiple apps on big screens, and better mouse controls by this fall so who knows. I think GUI designers are so used to whiny users who bitch about change that they assume every complaint is just that rather than realize the lack of input oriented, multitasking friendly, UI, is a serious problem. Not a WA Wa where is my start button, etc.

Re:Can we get the systems with windows 7? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38854185)

I am struggling to get my parents to leave XP.

Why don't you just let them use what they want to use? You sound like a real asshole of a son.

Re:Can we get the systems with windows 7? (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#38854025)

I'm confident Microsoft is working really hard with their hardware partners to ensure that their innovative W8 platforms are in no way compatible with prior versions of Windows and cannot be made so. They've learned this lesson well. The locked bootloader requirement for WoA should be your first clue that they don't want people buying this stuff for unapproved uses. Avoid.

Re:Can we get the systems with windows 7? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38854593)

The locked bootloader requirement for WoA should be your first clue that they don't want people buying this stuff for unapproved uses. Avoid.

Wow.. you're a mind reader?! Please tell us more about what Microsoft is going to do. We don't need any evidence - just irrational arguments, speculation and conspiracy theories.

Re:Can we get the systems with windows 7? (1)

monkeyhybrid (1677192) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852891)

Most consumers use the version of Windows that came with their PC so the vast majority of buyers of new PCs will be using Windows 8. And seeing as Windows 7 appears to have gone down rather well with most Windows users, I think Windows 8 probably will too. It's not drastically different on the outside compared to Windows 7 except for the inclusion of Metro UI, which today's average smartphone / tablet type user might actually like.

Metro UI is touch based and laptops don't have (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852935)

Metro UI is touch based and most laptops don't have touch screens and I hope windows 8 will have more of the older windows 7 desktop the betas cut to much.

Re:Can we get the systems with windows 7? (1, Insightful)

CodeReign (2426810) | more than 2 years ago | (#38853363)

I think Windows eight will suck for no other reason than it doesn't follow mod2. You only ever purchase the mod2 of windows. 98 sucked 98 2nd edition didn't me/2000 xp/vista/seven there is a shit version before a non-shit version historically speaking. Though some features look nice. Perhaps this new filesystem will be worth it's weight in diamonds.

Re:Can we get the systems with windows 7? (1, Insightful)

LocalH (28506) | more than 2 years ago | (#38853807)

Your mod2 theory falls flat because XP wasn't shit and Vista was (immensely so). 98 didn't suck either, at least not as bad as 95. The only thing that really sucked about ME was the removal of real mode DOS (yes, I know, there are mods available to bring this back, but that requires modifying system files and so IMO is only useful for hobby or bullshit usage).

One does have to admit that Vista is way better than any 9x-based OS simply because it has the stronger NT underpinnings that make it more secure and reliable. And that half of the major "complaints" were just because something changed that they didn't like (for example, for a while there it seemed that people actually liked it when RAM went completely unused because I heard tons of bitching about SuperFetch). Also, UAC is a good thing, and the main problems with it were actually not UAC failings per se (like the hassle of trying to copy files into a protected folder and getting IIRC three or four dialogs to click through - this was an Explorer issue, as it did not happen with Directory Opus). 7 is heaps better than Vista, however.

Re:Can we get the systems with windows 7? (2, Interesting)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#38853577)

I have not met a single person who likes Windows 8. Average Joes look at the screen funny and then ask why is this computer pretending to be a cell phone?

Metro on Windows Phone 7 rocks and has great reviews but I am not blowing dough to leave tweets on tweetorama as the vast majority of users use PCs for work now and let their phones and tablets waste such time.

I think it will bomb. Especially in the corporate environment. Many will be resentful and angry as after staying with IE 6/XP for 12 years the last thing they want is to use a 3 year old OS and standardize on IE 8 and get shit up the creek yet again (this time in only 7 years instead of 12). If they choose Windows 8 the users will FREAK OUT not being able to have 5 windows open at once, no task bar, no search function like their is in Windows 7, and people using tweeteroma instead of office working. The METRO versions of Office are just cheap notepad like functionality. Switch to desktop and you can't stay there. Since search is gone when you hit the Windows key you are back in the annoying Cell phone land UI. The gui is schzo and if Windows 9 gets rid of the desktop all hell will break loose and Macs might not look that bad in the corporate envrionment. /bitch
I worked freelancing and in a pc shop wipping Windows Vista and 7 with XP. Yes consumers are actually willing to pay money to go back to Xp as late as 2010. Seriously. Ms is right but wrong in so many ways. The gui is the future ... just not with multitasking with big monitors. Metro 2.0 needs to address these shortcomings.

Re:Can we get the systems with windows 7? (1)

dead_cthulhu (1928542) | more than 2 years ago | (#38853659)

Depending on how long MS supports 7 (and given that yeah, most users do stick with the version it comes with), 8 may have quite a number of people hold off from hardware upgrades until something better comes along. It's really a pity that MS, Apple and Canonical seem determined to foist tablet OSes onto laptops and workstations. It's a serious regression. Windows 7 is actually good, I'll admit to keeping it on a spare partition on the laptop and a copy under Virtualbox on the Desktop. Apple had just about everything right with Snow Leopard, but now they're moving closer and closer to iOS on the mac.

All of this makes me quite glad that I can use any DE I want on Linux.

Re:Can we get the systems with windows 7? (1)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 2 years ago | (#38854165)

All of this makes me quite glad that I can use any DE I want on Linux.

Nothing prevents you from using alternative DEs on Windows. Other than the lack of interest in creating them.

Re:Can we get the systems with windows 7? (1)

dead_cthulhu (1928542) | more than 2 years ago | (#38854409)

An interest that might develop once Win8 comes out.

And a locked down bootloader? (-1, Flamebait)

kid tested (1676806) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852525)

Is this the sweetener that will attract users to laptops that can only boot DRM-laden Microsoft-certified OSs?

Re:And a locked down bootloader? (4, Funny)

game kid (805301) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852577)

It's ok, someone will make a Metro app that unlocks the loader with a middle-finger gesture. (The devs just need a new name because "Angry Flipped Birds" won them a C&D...)

Re:And a locked down bootloader? (0, Troll)

sowth (748135) | more than 2 years ago | (#38853309)

Considering most MS Windows lusers, they'll probably be comforted knowing they can't load any "rogue" software. Even though there will be plenty of security holes for malware to get through, including Microsoft signing it.

(Yeah, mod me down microserfs. I don't care!)

Re:And a locked down bootloader? (0)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#38853601)

Windows 7 also supports UEFI so you can still run Windows 7 on these locked machines too

Re:And a locked down bootloader? (1)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 2 years ago | (#38853887)

"Lusers". How...contemporary. I like how you're not at all embarrassed by your throwback behavior though. You're a real tiger!

Re:And a locked down bootloader? (0)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 2 years ago | (#38855003)

You're absolutely right. He should totally call them "n00bfagz," since that's "contemporary."

Re:And a locked down bootloader? (1)

AmberBlackCat (829689) | more than 2 years ago | (#38853999)

Maybe, but at least in Windows you can install apps regardless of what permissions they want and allow or disallow when they try to use the "permission". And at least you can change what they get access to after they've been installed.

Exciting (2)

redemtionboy (890616) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852567)

What really has me excited about Windows 8 is Kinect. I think we're going to see a big transformation in the landscape of user interface in the next several years pushing us towards device-less interfaces.

  Granted, this stuff isn't a replacement, it's a supplement. So don't think I'm preaching the death of touch or mouse and keyboard. The more options of well developed and useful interfaces we have the better.

Re:Exciting (5, Funny)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852855)

What really has me excited about Windows 8 is Kinect. I think we're going to see a big transformation in the landscape of user interface in the next several years pushing us towards device-less interfaces.

Yeah, we're all going to create Excel spreadsheets by randomly waving our hands in front of the screen.

Re:Exciting (3, Funny)

Globe199 (442245) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852975)

Stop trying to drag us into the past. The future is now. You just think of the numbers and they'll appear in the spreadsheet.

I don't know. Some bullshit I read on a tech blog.

Re:Exciting (3, Funny)

n1hilist (997601) | more than 2 years ago | (#38853075)

That pretty much sums up my experience with Excel :)

Re:Exciting (5, Insightful)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852919)

What really has me excited about Windows 8 is Kinect. I think we're going to see a big transformation in the landscape of user interface in the next several years pushing us towards device-less interfaces.

  Granted, this stuff isn't a replacement, it's a supplement. So don't think I'm preaching the death of touch or mouse and keyboard. The more options of well developed and useful interfaces we have the better.

I think device-less interface make sense for hand held computers, and less and less sense as you scale up the size of the computer.
Contrary to the scenes in CSI-Miami, flinging things around a huge table sensor is not particularly useful or efficient. Nor is reaching across your keyboard to move or select some object by dragging it across your 24 inch screen.

Even on a level of effort basis, waiving hands and fingers around in the air is pretty much a non-starter. (Not to be too George Jetson here...).
Then there is the on/off problem. Were you gesticulating while talking to your work-mate, or editing paragraphs on the page? Mice do nothing much unless you click.

The mouse still rules, and even the Wacom Bamboo line of touch/pen input devices are clumsy approximations.
Mice cost anywhere from 2 to 40 dollars, are amazingly precise, and by now, fully intuitive across all platforms.

If QWERTY can last from 1878 to the present, something far more elegant like the mouse is going to have a very long life.

Kinect will probably remain for games, and maybe music (performance, not listening), and the air guitar is going to become a REAL instrument.

Re:Exciting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38853961)

Bamboo kicks ass. Granted there is a learning curve but afterwards your much quicker than a mouse.

Re:Exciting (3, Insightful)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852967)

I'm excited too.

Something that might let me surf websites, go from links to links, control video playback, and have two hands free?

It's A Good Thing.

Re:Exciting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38853829)

What do you need the other hand for? Grabbing your partner's cock?

Re:Exciting (5, Insightful)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 2 years ago | (#38854641)

What do you need the other hand for? Grabbing your partner's cock?

A strange inference from my post. Let me try do the same with your post.

You cannot understand what a 2nd hand could be used for, and your seemingly first thought is that it must be used for another man's cock.

There are several possibilities that are floating around in my head right now and let me take a whack at drawing inferences from your post as well.....

1) You are dealing with latent homosexual urges as evidenced by your apparent obsession with grabbing another man's cock.
2) You don't often have partners, because if you did, you would realize that there are 4 hands present and several orifices with the additional person. Cirque Du Soleil abilities aside, your own orifices are irrelevant. Only a single hand is required from either party to work the remote/mouse.
3) You are prepubescent and/or possessing of a small penis. Therefore it would never occur to you that an additional hand might be useful or desired.
4) You have at least one unusually large hand, and again, it would never occur to you that an additional hand would be needed.

Living in the post Atomic Age might cause one to conclude #4 to be correct, but statistically speaking, such mutations are very rare. #2 is certainly possible because this is Slashdot with the ever present stereotype that we are all in our mother's basements awaiting the delivery of Hot Pockets and Mountain Dew. #2 is also possible because the lack of logic and creativity with some people here never ceases to surprise me. #1 could be due to simple anonymous asshole syndrome, which is best explained by the Penny Arcade's Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory.

Hmmmmm.....

I will have to go with #3. You must have a tiny little penis. Do not lament your tiny penis my anonymous friend, because it is not the size that matters but how well you can convince somebody other than yourself to touch it.

These parting words I offer you as comfort [youtube.com] .

Re:Exciting (1)

monkeyhybrid (1677192) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852983)

It may have some uses but I just don't see it being that big a deal aside from some casual gaming, although even that makes more sense on a console in front of the TV.

It's the same with touch screens on PCs; it's just not comfortable to sit in front of a keyboard and hold your arms up to perform gestures on screen (or in the air) when you can just rest your arm on your desk and use a mouse.

The voice recognition aspects of Kinect could have lots of uses though, if it's far better than alternative systems we already have available to us.

Re:Exciting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38854023)

No one is saying the keyboard and mouse is going to die (not yet, maybe with mind reading tech), you don't have to use these other interfaces the whole time. It's just for casual use, say your cooking dinner and you want to change the music track, then call out to the kinect. Maybe your standing up next to the computer and all you want to do is one click, then it's quicker to prod the screen than grab the mouse, find the cursor, move the cursor, and click. Passwords becomes easier with the kinect's 3d modeling, and the list goes on.

Re:Exciting (1)

ShnowDoggie (858806) | more than 2 years ago | (#38853823)

I agree. Between Microsofts Kinect and Apples Siri the interface might get really good. I think it will take a while, eg a few missteps, before either are really good. But I am looking forward to good things with both. I hate using a mouse and attempting to touch a PC display sucks. I really like the apple trackpad. With good interface design the Kinect could make the mouse all but obsolete. (Good logical interface Microsoft. Interface! Come on MS, please think!!!!) I am not sold on the new look (Metro). I am hopefully for the filesystem. And some of the other changes worry me a bit.

Re:Exciting (1)

thereitis (2355426) | more than 2 years ago | (#38854625)

I think we're going to see a big transformation in the landscape of user interface in the next several years pushing us towards device-less interfaces.

Apple is way ahead of them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXyNgXTt0ns [youtube.com]

HD or SSD? (1)

Teun (17872) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852599)

With all the throwing around I hope these laptops will have an SSD instead of an HD.

Re:HD or SSD? (2)

fostware (551290) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852745)

Don't worry - all your data will be safe in the cloud anyway!

and you will pay $10 a gig and $20 meg roaming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38853721)

and you will pay $10 a gig and $20 meg roaming on 3g / 4g

Re:HD or SSD? (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#38854055)

Mod parent funny. It's what they were going for.

And the response is "until it's not. [techcrunch.com] "

And the purpose is..? (5, Interesting)

Digicrat (973598) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852609)

Kinect in the living room makes sense - voice/gesture commands in place of a remote control is surprisingly useful (when it works). On a laptop though -- what does the Kinect give that a touch screen can't do better? I mean outside of adult entertainment...

On the other hand, if it can support gestures with your eyes, then it might be useful. For example, gaze at a specific window/monitor and having it automatically come into focus could be quite a convenience ... but I don't think we'll see that for a while.

Re:And the purpose is..? (1)

TheCouchPotatoFamine (628797) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852713)

"automatically come into focus" mucho approve! That's one great idea (stick a keyboard modifier in front of the command, and it could be damned useful.

Re:And the purpose is..? (1)

Gibgezr (2025238) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852715)

It has one thing that could be much better than a touch screen: gesture input without greasy fingerprints on my screen.

This is why, although my newest Sony e-reader has a touch screen, I still use the buttons to flip the pages 99% of the time.

I am actually interested in this technology. I've gotten used to browsing the web on touch screen devices, so much so that I find myself annoyed when I'm browsing a website on my PC and can't "pinch-to-zoom" the tiny text on a page.

Re:And the purpose is..? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38852901)

Ctrl + mousewheel.

20 years ago (5, Funny)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852751)

someone talking to themselves walking down the street would have been considered insane or on drugs

now, they just have a bluetooth headset on and are perfectly normal

today, someone sitting alone in the park making random jerky gestures would be someone on drugs, or insane

in 5 years, that's just someone using their kinect-enabled laptop

it's all part of technology's goal of virtualizing the experience of tourette syndrome and schizophrenia for us all

Re:20 years ago (1)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852993)

today, someone sitting alone in the park making random jerky gestures would be someone on drugs, or insane

Uhhhhhhh, I think you forgot the 3rd option dude.

Re:20 years ago (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38854017)

Mime!?

Re:And the purpose is..? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38852769)

I suddenly have a vision of a bunch of tech workers, professionals, what have you out in public, coffee shops, etc, flailing around like a bunch of epileptics jacked up on coke.

The purpose may, in fact, be to troll the public at large.

Re:And the purpose is..? (1)

SeaFox (739806) | more than 2 years ago | (#38854829)

Drat, I was trying to mod this Funny as I was just imaging a bunch of people in a coffeehouse myself, and chose Overrated by accident. But I can't blame a Kinect interface for that.. yet. /replying to undo mod

Re:And the purpose is..? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38853001)

Price.
A Kinect-licensed camera could be a cheaper component than a five-touch-point capacative digitizer and the hinge/engineering cost for designing a convertible laptop, as it's uncomfortable to use a touch screen at that angle.

Re:And the purpose is..? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38853007)

Check this. Kinect killer if I ever saw it. It's like thought control UI. Can you *imagine* games and whole UI systems with this. http://dvice.com/archives/2012/01/the-best-demo-w.php

I have a suggestion! (4, Funny)

goldaryn (834427) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852691)

BSOD - you can simply bang your head on the table to restart your computer!

Re:I have a suggestion! (5, Funny)

PPH (736903) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852953)

Bang Skull On Desk?

So let me get this straight... (4, Funny)

jjoelc (1589361) | more than 2 years ago | (#38852809)

Windows8... With a touch inspired graphical interface... And someone thinks the solution is to include a touch less hardware interface...

I'll skip all the jokes about keeping away from Wwindows... Or a hands-off approach to management, etc. (or not...)

Re:So let me get this straight... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38853067)

It's still basically a touch device, the Kinect.
It takes input from how fingers move around in a certain part of space. It'll operate in the same fashion.

Re:So let me get this straight... (1)

poity (465672) | more than 2 years ago | (#38853203)

Kinect interface seems like a useful extension to touch interfaces. There are lots of games out there still that rely on hovering your mouse in an area for an essential action, which is impossible to replicate on touch screens. Kinect can provide that layer of interaction.

Also, inb4 "It looks like you're trying to touch the screen, would you like help?" :D

Re:So let me get this straight... (1)

Solandri (704621) | more than 2 years ago | (#38854161)

Windows8... With a touch inspired graphical interface... And someone thinks the solution is to include a touch less hardware interface...

C'mon, the people who are OCD about fingerprints on their screen need some loving too.

Gesture (1)

Psicopatico (1005433) | more than 2 years ago | (#38853039)

- Swing your left arm across your chest;
- Block your left elbow with your right hand;
- When you block your elbow you have to say "toe";

Computer shuts down and powers off.

(Courtesy of John Peter Sloan and Dave Dickens [youtube.com] )

I've been making gestures for years! (4, Insightful)

jbeaupre (752124) | more than 2 years ago | (#38853087)

I've been making gestures MS products for years. Call it feedback. Hell, I feel like making a gesture right now. The big change? Now we can be ignored 4 ways (keyboard, mouse, sound, gesture).

And people thought Siri was silly... (5, Funny)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#38853101)

Some people were complaining about Siri, saying that for some reason they didn't want to be seen out in public, talking on... a phone.

Well I'd take that over being out in public with my mobile device looking like I was being attacked by an invisible cloud of bees.

Worst airline seat neighbor ever (1)

CambodiaSam (1153015) | more than 2 years ago | (#38853115)

I typically have someone in the row ahead of me recline as far as humanly possible, which can be frustrating but is tolerable. I hope I don't get someone sitting next to me who is flailing wildly trying to perform a copy and paste shortcut.

Afterthought (1)

MojoRilla (591502) | more than 2 years ago | (#38853195)

The problem is that not all Windows 8 laptops will have this, so it will be an afterthought. When will Microsoft learn from Apple? If you build a platform that requires certain sensors, developers will use them. Otherwise...well, it will just be a gimmick.

so you want to locked hardware and AIO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38853259)

so you want to locked hardware and AIO's on the desktop.

Also add $100 to each video card for the UEFI rom.

Re:Afterthought (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38853805)

The problem is that not all Windows 8 laptops will have this, so it will be an afterthought. When will Microsoft learn from Apple? If you build a platform that requires certain sensors, developers will use them. Otherwise...well, it will just be a gimmick.

Yet, Nintendo did this, Sony and Microsoft followed suit, and that's STILL considered just a gimmick. What?

lessons not learnt (4, Insightful)

Tom (822) | more than 2 years ago | (#38853307)

Way to kill an excellent concept, MicroIdiots!

Voice control largely failed because nobody wanted to be caught dead talking to his computer and it just doesn't work at all in office environments.

Putting gesture control into notebooks must have been the winner of the "stupid idea of the year" contest, and for some reason it got mixed up with the actual product plan.

Seriously, on a train, in the airport lounge, on the airplane - that's when you really wish your notebook had gesture controls, right? And when you pitch your product to your business partners and give a crucial presentation, that's exactly the moment where you want to rely on more-or-less reliable gesture controls instead of a mouse or keyboard click or remote control.

Totally. The only place dumber than notebooks would've been the Zune.

Re:lessons not learnt (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38854069)

Sure beats getting crap all over the laptop when using it to view a multipage recipe when cooking.

Has potential in the workshop as well. No more grease covered keyboard.

A thought (1)

Legion303 (97901) | more than 2 years ago | (#38853431)

"I see you're looking for *PORN*. I will open a Bing window and help you search."

(5 minutes later)

"You appear you have found what you were looking for. Have a nice evening."

ctrl+alt+delete (2)

Flipstylee (1932884) | more than 2 years ago | (#38853499)

"OW!", that fucking hurt :S

Touch screen with the actual touch? (1)

bigsexyjoe (581721) | more than 2 years ago | (#38853595)

I think the biggest advantage to this is that the Kinect will be able to read gestures so you can act like you have a touch screen without having to pull your hands too far from the keyboard or get your finger prints on your screen. It would also be useful to raise you hand four inches off the keyboard and use an imaginary mouse.

Re:Touch screen with the actual touch? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#38854413)

yeah, if they include mind reading in the interface and joint medicine in the package..

not too many visionaries on Slashdot right now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38854077)

It's amazing how people assume that we'll keep using technology to do the same things as the technology evolves. We won't.

Think outside the box. Gestures aren't going to be so black and white and you're going to be able to do new, complex tasks that you hadn't even thought of doing before. Creative types will really love this.

Kinect Sensors? (1)

Gravis Zero (934156) | more than 2 years ago | (#38854207)

when did cameras become classified as "Kinect Sensors"?

Re:Kinect Sensors? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38854315)

Mod this up. Microsoft has achieved a marketing triumph by renaming its online optical camera pointed at you as a "sensor." Nobody would buy it if it was called a "Kinect camera."

Re:Kinect Sensors? (2)

Your.Master (1088569) | more than 2 years ago | (#38854547)

When they started detecting distance.

Re:Kinect Sensors? (1)

Gravis Zero (934156) | more than 2 years ago | (#38854795)

When they started detecting distance.

stereoscopic cameras have been able to do this for quite some time and more accurately. it's still just a camera.

Re:Kinect Sensors? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38854847)

Not quite. IIRC, Kinect builds 3D image with a structured light IR projector coupled with IR camera. That's probably the part they called "Kinect sensor". Kinect box is this plus color camera and microphone array.

Interactive fapping. (2)

Jimbookis (517778) | more than 2 years ago | (#38854685)

Kinect and WebGL might make all those POV porn movies a lot more interesting. It could also give a new metric for Google over just how much fapping a web site generates.

Re:Interactive fapping. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38855007)

fap-roulette anyone?

Army smartphones will have this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38854909)

You may look silly waving your hands around in the airport, but in some work enviroments, giving commands by gesture is standard proceedure.

I think the army will eventually move toward bluetooth headset type device with with a forward facing camera that recognizes gestures.

  Combine this with a HUD monocle that has eye tracking and SIRI like voice control and you have the perfect hands free user interface that maps to basic human actions well enough to use when you're operating with your stress incuded monkey brain.

What will really happen with Windows 8... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38855031)

1) Consumers and OEMs will demand downgrade rights to Windows 7.

2) Corporations will refuse to upgrade to Windows 8.

3) Steve Ballmer gets fired.

Remember, you heard it here first.

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