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Pentagon: 30,000 Pound Bomb Too Small

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the go-big-or-go-home dept.

The Military 612

smitty777 writes "According to the Pentagon, the 30,000-pound, precision-guided Massive Ordnance Penetrator GBU-57 bomb is just too small. Concerns around Iran's fortification of their nuclear program facilities has the DoD seeking from Congress something not quite as subdued as the GBU-57, the largest non-nuke bomb operated by the USAF. This 'smaller' bomb just recently won a prize for its ability to cut through 60 feet of concrete. The upgrades will cost $82 million on top of the $330 million spent so far to develop the system. There is some interesting high speed camera footage of the GBU-57 in the video below."

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No, no, no! (5, Funny)

ForgedArtificer (1777038) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880499)

Light speed's too slow! We'll have to go straight to.... Ludicrous Speed!

Re:No, no, no! (2, Funny)

PortHaven (242123) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880539)

Oh no...we've gone P-L-A-I-D sir!

Re:No, no, no! (1, Offtopic)

ForgedArtificer (1777038) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880663)

They must've overshot us by a week and a half!

Re:No, no, no! (-1, Flamebait)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880895)

Pray tell me, what kind of aircraft is in th existing arsenal, capable of delivering this turd-of-death?

Lies.
Propaganda.
Boondoggle.

The US is a klepto/crony state, with military adventureism sold as the patriotic mission, once reserved for the space program and material progress.

And next? They'll kick off th eshooting-phase of our current, third world war. Against Iran, probably - fo rdoing less, with fewer actual hostile intentions than did India, a couple decades ago. But it isn't about "nuclear intentions" - where Iran has been meticulous in observing International treaty-law.

"Grasshopper always wrong, in argument with chicken".
-- Book of Chao

Iran is one of a handful of countries that maintain an independent economic system, outside the international mechanisms for conrol of central banks. You know - like the last victims did: Libya, Iraq...

If they want to stop brutal, mid-east regiemes, bent on subjugation and brutalization of their populations? Then the US could do worse than start with Saudi and Bahrain - or Israel.

Fat chance. All lies, all the time, always.

Re:No, no, no! (2, Insightful)

ForgedArtificer (1777038) | more than 2 years ago | (#38881011)

What does this have ANYTHING to do with a series of Spaceballs quotes?

Typical American motherfuckers (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880521)

WE NEED MORE POWERFUL DEVICES TO DESTROY THE BROWN PEOPLES ADVANCEMENTS. Only our white anglo leaders are allowed to have advanced technology and power production

you're a troll but even so.... (2, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880645)

.... it has nothing to do with "brown people" or white superiority. The Chinese have nuclear weapons and you don't see the Western World freaking the fuck out about that. Why is that? Because for all of their flaws the Chinese actually behave like adults in the global community. They don't sponsor terrorism, they don't threaten freedom of navigation on the high seas and they don't have an openly racist high level politician that denies the right of one of his neighbors to exist. If Iran wants to be treated like a grown up perhaps it should start acting like one.

BTW, I like the subject "Typical American". Do you realize that Europe is just as freaked out by the prospect of a nuclear armed Iran as the United States is? Actually it probably bothers them more; we aren't within range of Iranian missiles but most of Europe is.

Re:you're a troll but even so.... (5, Insightful)

Entropius (188861) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880771)

Well, their government is rather racist -- toward the Tibetans, at least. They've been working awfully hard to extinguish that culture. China hasn't been threatening freedom of navigation, but have you seen their absurd territorial claims in the South China Sea?

Iran didn't start shit in the Strait of Hormuz; the US and Israel have been threatening to attack them. They're just responding to that. Actually, that's sort of what's been going on with the Iranian nuke program: we just curbstomped their neighbor in an illegal war, and we're propping up a rather dangerous neighbor of theirs that has an openly racist agenda, that's bombed them before and that, oh -- has nukes. Can't really blame them for wanting some nukes of their own, considering.

Yes, the Iranian government is, to some degree, batshit -- in the "batshit religious" fashion. Their rationale for wanting nukes is perfectly reasonable (defense against Israel/the US). But they've actually been conducting themselves in a pretty reasonable manner; they've not done anything that a more sanely-led country in their position wouldn't have done, which is to try to use any resources at their disposal to ensure that they don't get their asses kicked.

Re:you're a troll but even so.... (2, Insightful)

mbkennel (97636) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880851)

"they've not done anything that a more sanely-led country in their position wouldn't have done, which is to try to use any resources at their disposal to ensure that they don't get their asses kicked."

Why is Qatar/Kuwait/Jordan not getting its ass kicked?

Maybe they haven't recently threatened to exterminate a whole bunch of people for ideological reasons and build the infrastructure for producing nuclear weapons.

Re:you're a troll but even so.... (4, Insightful)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880947)

You sir, are a model Soviet Citizen.

Give me a citation of Iran threatening extermination of anyone. No, DEBKA will not do as a source.

Whereas, who are the US and Israel ACTUALLY ENGAGED in exterminating, on a daily basis?

Re:you're a troll but even so.... (1, Insightful)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880873)

We prevent people who have been adjudicated as mentally incompetent from owning firearms, even if they have heretofore committed no crime and have the same general right to self defense as anyone else does. Prohibiting the current regime in Iran from owning nuclear weapons is no different.

Re:you're a troll but even so.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880973)

Iran isn't really mentally incompetent, though. They have overtly stated malicious intent towards Israel, and as an outworking of that, to threaten the entire world's economic and political stability.

Re:you're a troll but even so.... (5, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880905)

Iran didn't start shit in the Strait of Hormuz; the US and Israel have been threatening to attack them. They're just responding to that.

By cutting off global trade that countries whom aren't threatening them depend on. Yeah, that makes sense -- Mexico attacks the United States so we seize the Panama Canal and refuse to let Chinese flagged ships use it. That's essentially what they are threatening to do. Actually I'd love to see them try and close Hormuz -- that would bring the Chinese around to our side of this issue. China is far more dependent upon oil from the Arabian Gulf than the United States is. Contrary to popular belief the United States doesn't receive the majority of her oil from the Middle East; most of it comes from the Western Hemisphere.

As far as the rest of your post, I'm not going to be drawn into an argument on the merits or lack thereof of our policy with regards to Israel. It's interesting that you decline the mention the nervousness of the Arab states that border Iran though. If it was purely about Israel one would think that the Saudis and their neighbors would be cheering the Iranian nuclear program on. Of course they aren't; the prospect bothers them just as much as it bothers the Western World.

Re:you're a troll but even so.... (1, Insightful)

iggymanz (596061) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880859)

Everything you accuse Iran of doing Israel does, and the U.S. gives them billions of dollars in overt and covert aide.

Re:you're a troll but even so.... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880903)

Everything you accuse Iran of doing Israel does, and the U.S. gives them billions of dollars in overt and covert aide.

Israel doesn't deny the Holocaust.

Re:you're a troll but even so.... (-1, Troll)

iggymanz (596061) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880959)

How many wounded and dead has this Iranian leadership "holocaust denial" cause? Zero, that's how many.

Re:you're a troll but even so.... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38881007)

Israel inflates the holocaust, Iran minimises it. Both are half-truths.

Israel was founded as a modern state on pure, violent terrorism. King David Hotel. They also sponsored and funded the creation of Hamas - to splinter the Palestinian political efforts, and create a spectre of islamic opposition. But Hamas are not religious zealots, like the Lubbavitchers - who throw acid in the faces of young girls on the streets in Israel.

Re:you're a troll but even so.... (4, Insightful)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880915)

Everything you accuse Iran of doing Israel does, and the U.S. gives them billions of dollars in overt and covert aide.

Really? I do not recall Israel (or its head of state) ever saying that they intended to exterminate all of the Arabs, or even that they intended to completely destroy another country.

Re:you're a troll but even so.... (4, Informative)

iggymanz (596061) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880979)

Wrong, they have in fact threatened to destroy Iran (Persians, not arabs)

Re:you're a troll but even so.... (2)

Aryden (1872756) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880939)

Reality? Because in the US the Jewish vote is more powerful than the Islamic vote. When that role reverses, so will US policy.

Re:you're a troll but even so.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880993)

Like... when the Israeli's held American's hostage for over a year?

Or like in 1988 , during the Israeli mass executions of political prisoners?

Or when the Israeli's stood in huge crowds, cheering, as their leader crowed about nuking the US?

Or the 2 year detention of US hikers by the Israeli's?

Conversely --
Like the US Airbases in Iran?
Or how the Iranians welcome American tourists?

Yeah, it's all the same (sigh)

Re:you're a troll but even so.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880885)

"The Chinese have nuclear weapons and you don't see the Western World freaking the fuck out about that."

I'm sure that murikan gov is totally cool with it. No reason to have any major bases outside of Korea then right?

Re:you're a troll but even so.... (5, Insightful)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880891)

Exactly right. We don't worry about India having the bomb and last time I checked they were 'brown people' too. They are not likely to use one, especially in a first strike.

We worry about Iran because they are something new, a nuke possessing country who may not be subject to MAD. In the end the 'godless commies' had one thing going for them in the world peace issues of the Cold War. They wanted to rule the world but they didn't really want to 'win' by being the last survivor in a post apocolypse scenario, the party leaders liked the good life and wanted to keep living it, especially since they didn't much believe in an afterlife to be rewarded in for wiping out the enemy in this one for.

We just don't know if Iran would be so constrained. We pretty much have to take Ajad at his word that he doesn't give a crap if atomic hellfire rains down on him after his rightous jihad of nuking Israel and the US, as we would be fools not to. What we don't know is whether the military structure he commands is equally suicidal. Since guessing wrong, and especially considering the pitiful track record of western intelligence regarding things middle eastern/Islamic, could be a civilization extinction event we probably should err on the side of caution. A country burning off scads of natural gas because they don't consider it valuable enough to capture and use probably doesn't actually need nuke power plants for electricity generation.

Re:you're a troll but even so.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880917)

Yet for some reason much of the world, including our allies, see the US as the country that "sponsor terrorism, they don't threaten freedom of navigation on the high seas and they don't have an openly racist high level politician that denies the right of one of his neighbors to exist."

I can see you've been oh so easily suckered but the only "threat" was a few loudmouth Iranian politicians with no power to do anything.

Re:you're a troll but even so.... (3, Informative)

aevan (903814) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880945)

Were you intentionally being ironic? (thinking of certain racist politicians, covert-sponsored terrorism and such of a particular nuclear power-immaterial to the gp's post, but curious nonetheless).

Anyhow, rather sure when Russia and China were developing the bomb a lot of freaking occurred, but as no one was in a position to stop them, nothing came of it. Also, there are also several 'brown' nuclear powers currently existing who behave rather 'immaturely' and are verging on war, but we don't hear talk of taking their nukes away.

The difference here is that Iran does NOT YET have the nukes and so can be stopped from joining 'the club'. If they somehow manage to make it to the field testing stage, (my guess is) interest in intervention will fade rapidly by several powers to the point of just stern lectures...albeit Israel might take a different response. The seem to potentially have the most to fear.

Personally, I don't see this so much a race issue so much as a "let's stop nuclear proliferation, it dilutes our own power, and it is scary in the hands of non-allies'.

- - - -

Wonder why they just don't drop two bombs if they can't reach deep enough. Are the bombs not precision guidable, or is hitting rubble mitigating the penetration capability?

Re:you're a troll but even so.... (2, Insightful)

fyngyrz (762201) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880949)

The Chinese have nuclear weapons and you don't see the Western World freaking the fuck out about that. Why is that?

Because (a) it's too late, and (b) there isn't a damn thing we can do about it because (c) they would fry us where we stand, just as the USSR would, or, come to that, just like we would, if attacked.

They don't sponsor terrorism

Oh. You mean like when the USA sponsors attacks within other countries without the sanction of those governments.

they don't threaten freedom of navigation on the high seas

Oh. You mean like when the USA "blockades" other countries and boards other nation's ships by force.

they don't have an openly racist high level politician that denies the right of one of his neighbors to exist.

No? What about Taiwan / Formosa?

If Iran wants to be treated like a grown up perhaps it should start acting like one.

Actually, I think Iran is doing exactly the right thing -- from their perspective. They've hardened their nuclear program so as to make it very difficult for anyone to shut it down. If -- essentially because of that hardening -- they succeed in developing nuclear weapons, that'll be the end of any chance of the US attacking them, because the consequences are politically untenable; and it'll settle Israel down, too -- they're not into proactive suicide. As for them attacking Israel with nukes... Israel is already a significant nuclear power. So I doubt it. But if they do, a lot of people in Israel will die, but all of populated Iran will be a sea of molten glass, and the "Iran problem" is solved.

Do I want to see a nuclear armed Iran? No, not particularly. But then again, it's none of my business, just as our armaments are none of Iran's business. We have no more right to step into Iran's internal affairs than they do ours. And if we DO step in there and attack them for developing a credible nuclear deterrent, then when someone does it to us... we won't have a leg to stand on. Not that this will penetrate into the dim bulbs of the "rah rah" crowd, but there it is.

Re:you're a troll but even so.... (3, Informative)

Vaphell (1489021) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880969)

it's all bullshit. The minute they launch any rocket at Israel or Europe they seal their fate and become a glass desert in 1 day.
You are accusing them of being suicidal.
I live in a Europe and I am not freaked out at them having nukes. Brown people in Pakistan have them already, what's the difference?

Iran never invaded anybody and never toppled any foreign government while the US army and the CIA did, multiple times.

Re:you're a troll but even so.... (1)

gambino21 (809810) | more than 2 years ago | (#38881043)

When was the last time Iran invaded another country? According to wikipedia [wikipedia.org] it was over 100 years ago. When was the last time the US invaded another country?

If you want to know the actual threat that Iran holds to the United States, Noam Chomsky has a pretty good explanation [youtube.com] .

see (0)

chronoglass (1353185) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880529)

if they said they needed the extra punch to carve out the initial tunnels for a moonbase.. er a moonbase to be used to fight terrorism.. who would bat an eye?

Re:see (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880657)

The remote nuclear sites in Iran have lunar like terrain - I think you're onto something here!

Re:see (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880691)

It's not like a lot of space-tech wasn't used in weapons anyway.

Seriously though, why not? One thing the US is still exceptionally good at - making things go "kaboom." I'd be lying if I claimed that it didn't, at least, partially amuse me.

entirely coincidentally (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880531)

Coincidentally, the construction plans for Iran's entirely peaceful nuclear facilities are being modified to require at least 120 feet of concrete covering to protect them from terrorist attacks and tsunamis.

Re:entirely coincidentally (1)

jbeaupre (752124) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880819)

I know you were joking, but the facilities are 90 meters down already. Nothing odd about that.

The name of the bomb is "Massive" (3, Funny)

mehrotra.akash (1539473) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880545)

The name of the bomb is "Massive"
How can you call it "Not big enough?"

Re:The name of the bomb is "Massive" (5, Funny)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880575)

That's what she said.

Re:The name of the bomb is "Massive" (1)

noh8rz2 (2538714) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880585)

If I recall correctly, this is the moab mother of all bombs. What would the new bomb be? Gmoab? Mfoab? Muthatf* of all bombs. I like it!

Re:The name of the bomb is "Massive" (2)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880667)

Cthulhu

Re:The name of the bomb is "Massive" (1)

Nimey (114278) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880865)

Gnabgib.

Re:The name of the bomb is "Massive" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880631)

Mother of All Bombs... I think the new one should be Father of All Bombs (FOAB)

Re:The name of the bomb is "Massive" (5, Funny)

somersault (912633) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880705)

And after that will come the Mother In Law Of All Bombs

Re:The name of the bomb is "Massive" (2)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880745)

Mother of All Bombs... I think the new one should be Father of All Bombs (FOAB)

That name's already taken Father Of All Bombs [wikipedia.org]

Re:The name of the bomb is "Massive" (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880797)

From Iron Man 2...
I give you....the Ex-Wife.

Re:The name of the bomb is "Massive" (1)

mvar (1386987) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880739)

Because with bombs, size matters. Like G.Carling once said [youtube.com] : "What? They have bigger dicks? BOMB THEM!"

Re:The name of the bomb is "Massive" (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880753)

Besides, it's not how large the bomb is, it's how you use it.

I believe the correct way to drop a giant bomb looks something like this [youtube.com] .

Re:The name of the bomb is "Massive" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38881023)

"Massive Ordinance Penetrator".
Also available in vinyl and rubber.

Time to bring in the dogs to get rid of the cats.. (0, Offtopic)

1_brown_mouse (160511) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880547)

That got rid of the mice. Soon we will be at Elephants getting rid of lions.

So much better than the video (0)

toygeek (473120) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880569)

Was the one linked to it after it was done. "Nipplecopter!"

Gonna have that damned song stuck in my head all day now...

Cue The Peaceniks (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880571)

In before the usual hippy dippy commentators come in with the usual "US spends too much on war", "Food not Bombs" bullshit.

It happens with every military related story here, and it is simply redundant It should be modded as such.

Please keep the politics out of it, or perhaps slashdot shouldn't haven't have a military section.

Cue the idiots (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880749)

In before the usual hippy dippy commentators

We need them because the republicans are too busy stroking their guns to ask whether we should have spent however many billions developing and "rewarding" a useless weapon.

It's telling that Obama can make SEAL Team 6 do everything that the entire fucking republican army couldn't. What we need are fewer republicans rewarding their campaign donors, and more SEAL teams (say, seven through one hundred), doing what 6 does now. It would be an end to terrorism and piracy, but then KBR can't make billions of dollars supporting a decade-long war.

Re:Cue the idiots (2)

Aryden (1872756) | more than 2 years ago | (#38881009)

There are reasons why there are as few SEAL/Rangers/Green Berets/Delta/ParaRescue/Combat Controllers as there are, it's fucking hard to earn this designations. Most people can't earn them, ever. So trying to find an additional 500+ people to fill those roles would mean you need to relax standards. That's not happening.

Re:Cue The Peaceniks (2, Insightful)

Entropius (188861) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880805)

Why should we? Taking a bunch of my money from me by force to build a bunch of bombs to better threaten a bunch of nutters in the Middle East is inherently political. Discussing the politics of US military spending in the context of this story is perfectly topical.

Re:Cue The Peaceniks (4, Insightful)

somersault (912633) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880879)

Yes, quiet all you sensible people! We want more feeble-minded, opinionless sheep around these here parts!

Re:Cue The Peaceniks (1)

A nonymous Coward (7548) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880935)

Please keep the politics out of it.

Yes, please do.

prizes? I just want to see the competition (4, Funny)

DynamoJoe (879038) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880573)

This 'smaller' bomb just recently won a prize for its ability to cut through 60 feet of concrete

A prize like the X-Prize or something? A) who hands out prizes for stuff like this and B) where to I apply to be a judge?

Re:prizes? I just want to see the competition (5, Funny)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880765)

>> who hands out prizes for stuff like this

The Association of Iranian Concrete Manufacturers

Re:prizes? I just want to see the competition (2)

bigbangnet (1108411) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880875)

A) It's by the Precision Strike Association. B) see answer above

conclusion on size (0)

bigbangnet (1108411) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880581)

Size does matter. Nuff said

Re:conclusion on size (1)

Troyusrex (2446430) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880913)

Exactly. Size doesn't matter. It's all about penetration power. I'm still not sure if our penetration power is actually lacking or if the military is just overcompensating.

Re:conclusion on size (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38881021)

I'm not so sure that it actually has to penetrate to do its job. If you read up on the TallBoy and GrandSlam bombs of WWII, the idea was to shake things up, collapse walls, bounce equipment around, and so forth, without actually needing to penetrate into the underground cavern.

Proposed Backronyms... (5, Funny)

bughunter (10093) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880587)

Let's call it the Mountainous Occluded Fortification Ordinance.

Good job (-1, Troll)

musth (901919) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880599)

Yes, let's all whip out our dicks so we can watch things get blowed up real good by the US military. Way to go on another fine story selection, Slashdot editors.

Yeah (2)

no-body (127863) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880601)

And the misconception how to resolve conflicts and disputes between humans efficiently is too big.
Just rev up the volume (and your ego), keep the green buck rolling and feel good about it.

Here's a question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880603)

Are there any people that think "energy weapons" will ever even approach .0001% of what's possible with chemical warheads?

Yes, I believe they will (4, Interesting)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880759)

A better question would be will they ever approach what's possible with nuclear warheads? Little Boy was 15 kilotons or 640,152,000,000,000 joules of energy released in less than the blink of an eye. Modern nuclear weapons are much more powerful and can be scaled up indefinitely using the Teller–Ulam design. The largest American weapon ever tested was 15 megatons -- 6.40152e+17 joules. The largest Russian weapon ever tested was three times as powerful. It will be a long time before you see a directed energy weapon that comes close to those energy levels.

Re:Here's a question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880787)

Are there any people that think "energy weapons" will ever even approach .0001% of what's possible with chemical warheads?

Yes.. It's called a nuclear bomb

Re:Here's a question (2)

fyngyrz (762201) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880999)

Are there any people that think "energy weapons" will ever even approach .0001% of what's possible with chemical warheads?

Sure. We call these particular energy weapons "fusion devices." You let me know when a human-caused chemical reaction gets to 100 MT, lol. (reference is to the Soviet's Tsar Bomba [wikipedia.org] , which was tested at a low (!) yield of ~50 Mt but was designed for 100Mt in actual use.)

STOP PUSSYING AROUND !! NUKE EM !! NUKE EM NOW !! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880639)

And just get it over with !! Let them all be marters with their naked harems !! See if anyone cares !! Get it over with already !!

Re:STOP PUSSYING AROUND !! NUKE EM !! NUKE EM NOW (1)

Killjoy_NL (719667) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880783)

Sure, kill a lot of innocent people for the wrongdoings of their leaders, great job.
I'm guessing you are just trolling though, no sane person could actually want that.

Re:STOP PUSSYING AROUND !! NUKE EM !! NUKE EM NOW (1)

Maximum Prophet (716608) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880989)

Sure, kill a lot of innocent people for the wrongdoings of their leaders, great job. I'm guessing you are just trolling though, no sane person could actually want that.

If that mad dictator is just some raving lunatic in an asylum somewhere, then no, it's not appropriate to kill someone else because of his ravings. However, if people are following that mad dictator and paying taxes to his regime, then yes, it's entirely appropriate to kill his military, and if some civilian taxpayers get caught as well, that's ok.

Note. If you are in a military led by, or pay taxes to, a mad dictator, you're a legitimate target too. If we extend the definition of "mad dictator" just a little, no-one is innocent.

Why one? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880651)

How about they drop more than one? The first gets 60 feet deep, the next gets 120 feet deep...

Re:Why one? (1)

fyngyrz (762201) | more than 2 years ago | (#38881013)

How about they drop one to make a hole, and then put a 20 Mt fusion weapon into the hole?

That'll break some eggs.

Just Nuke 'Em (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880661)

When a 15-ton bomb is too small, why don't we just nuke 'em?

Ummmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880687)

Well just use 2?????

Was that video narrated by (0)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880701)

Was that video narrated by Siri's english cousin?

1984 much? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880709)

Its pretty obvious that the miltiary-political-industrial complex is trying to talk us all into war with Iran and now you see one of the many things they plan to gain from it. Plus more power and control of the populace.

Re:1984 much? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880941)

I had to scroll way too far down for this. All this posturing bullshit, it hasn't even been ten years since Iraq even started, are Americans really so complacent in their need for perpetual war that they'll buy into this shit again? Its just more money that goes to the Department of "Defense" and their contractors. Someone should really name it back to the Department of War, since we haven't really used it for anything remotely "defensive" since 1947 when it was renamed.

Prize (1)

SJHillman (1966756) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880713)

It won a prize? Can anybody enter a bomb? Does it need to be a bomb or just something extremely destructive? Can I enter my intestine destroying meatloaf of doom?

Re:Prize (0)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880833)

I believe you can enter, but a purchase is necessary. You have to buy at least a representative or two, if not a senator. Have to check for the specific contest. Afterall... thats how all this military stuff works.None of it is for our benefit, just the benefit of those who profit off war. The last thing we should even be considering is war with Iran.

We need to take responsibility for our role in letting relations get this bad, and stop treating them like a bunch of children. They want the ability to refine uranium....good for them. Its their uranium, their absolute right to mine it from the ground and process it as they see fit. Its high time we recognize that respect goes two ways and demanding that the other guy drop the ACT first is childish.

Prize? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880731)

Wait - there are bomb contests?

Good Lord, people (5, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880737)

You already have a giant phallic bomb called a MASSIVE (ordnance) PENETRATOR and it's not good enough for you? Does everyone in the Pentagon have such a small penis or is it just the people in charge of purchasing?

Re:Good Lord, people (4, Funny)

forkfail (228161) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880957)

I guess all the Cialis and Extends commercials, and "get bigger" spam campaigns work well on military brass...

Re:Good Lord, people (1)

DogDude (805747) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880967)

No, they just want more money.

Re:Good Lord, people (1)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880975)

It's purchasing. They're not working there because of their excessive virility, y'know.

Pillow Talk (1)

srussia (884021) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880751)

As in life, a little pillow talk (State Department), should mitigate any shortcomings (DoD) you may think you have.

Not big enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880755)

I can see how a 30,000 pound bomb may not be big enough to competely destroy the larger hospitals in Libia.

Massive Penetrator (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880773)

Hey, that's what i have been called in college...

why just one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880777)

How about dropping more than one? First one gets 60 feet, second one 120 feet....

cost effective sterilization professionals (-1, Offtopic)

epine (68316) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880789)

A peculiar arms race: the more we spend on oil to develop such weapons, the more the Iranians can spend to dig deeper facilities. For a hell of a lot less money, we could have handed Monsanto a nuclear tip and had the FDA write a blanket decree: "entirely worth doing". Monsanto would of course protest at first blush, "but only if we can sue surrounding nations for harbouring unauthorized radionuclides". If only our reticence to fight fire with fire had been matched by a similar reticence concerning the safety of shotgun gene splicing. For a long time I was under the illusion that Monsanto had grafted these genes into a fixed chromosomal position so that you actually had a stable organism to assess for safety, rather than the biological equivalent to Bertie Bott's Every Flavour Beans.

I guess "interesting" is a judgement call. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880827)

I see some high speed camera footage. Still looking for the interesting high speed camera footage.

What is really needed for this sort of thing.... (4, Interesting)

PortHaven (242123) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880831)

Sequential Bombing System.... where a sequence of bombs is dropped concurrently in short succession. (ie: 4-8 bombs in a 60-120 second interval).

But SBS is a lame sounding name. How can that compete with Mother of All Bombs (MOAB)

How about Bombing On Sequence System (BOSS)

Now the BOSS BOMB has a nice Pentagon expenditure feeling way. Essentially the delivery system should transit from the bomber to target via a cruise delivery system. Which would contain 4-8 war heads each about a 1/4 to 1/2 of MOABs size. The delivery unit would circle target while releasing the individual warheads which would each be guided to their target at about 15-30 second intervals. Allowing the first bomb to detonate and blow a crater while the next bomb hits the new exposed area, so on and so on. Tests would need to be completed to determine the amount of time necessary between individual warhead impacts for optimum penetration.

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Proposed solution to MOAB. Build big ballon under first layer of protection with lots of vents. When MOAB hits it explodes, but instead of crushing your super secret facilitity (that was obviously not secret enough if it's being bombed), the balloon detonates the bomb early and above and allows the pressure to escape through hundreds of vent area.

Bomb two, kills you...GAME OVER

Re:What is really needed for this sort of thing... (4, Informative)

twotacocombo (1529393) | more than 2 years ago | (#38881033)

Each successive bomb would have to hit the exact same spot, and blow through a layer of debris in an ever-changing target zone. This isn't water torture, this is blowing the motherloving shit out of a huge chunk of reinforced concrete. You don't kill a tank by shooting it with an AK-47 a hundred times, you hit it once with something that will penetrate. The effects of lesser attacks are not necessarily cumulative.

CIA:Iran Prepared to Launch U.S. Terrorist Attacks (2, Interesting)

iggymanz (596061) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880901)

Will Iran war be Obama's October Surprise? Triggered perhaps by false flag or provoked attack?

Can't kill 'em from an airplane? (3, Insightful)

idontgno (624372) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880943)

Kill 'em from orbit! [wikipedia.org]

Yet more waste.. (5, Insightful)

E_Ron.Eous (2521544) | more than 2 years ago | (#38880981)

From the Department of Defense which should be renamed to the Department of Wasting Tax Dollars..

Re:Yet more waste.. (-1)

EmagGeek (574360) | more than 2 years ago | (#38881017)

Your assessment is.... erroneous.

Providing for the common defense is one of the few constitutional tasks of the Federal Government, and it is spending a tiny fraction on this compared to it's myriad of unconstitutional adventures, such as Welfare, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and other stuff it has no legal right to do.

Rods From God (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38880991)

Forget the conventional.... go with ultra conventional.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment

How big can they make a bomb? (1)

Karmashock (2415832) | more than 2 years ago | (#38881015)

30,000 pounds seems pretty close to the limit on how big you can make one of these before you need a whole new cargo plane to drop it.

They can't even use bombers to drop the existing MOAB...

Maybe a better idea would be to drop lots of smaller bombs and just "dig"... I suppose they've thought of all that.

Anyway... at some point they're going to have to build these bombs to attach like the Space Shuttle to that specially retrofitted 757 that can carry it on it's roof.

We're #1 (1)

DogDude (805747) | more than 2 years ago | (#38881019)

If there's one area in which the US has maintained it's superiority in, it's killing people. There's no question about it. The US still kills people better than any other country on the planet. Sure, we can't educate, feed, house, or otherwise care for our own people, or even protect them from inevitable natural disasters, but GODDAMN we can kill some foreigners!!!

USAF should think about using asteroids instead (1)

CHK6 (583097) | more than 2 years ago | (#38881025)

Lets get back to throwing rocks. USAF can either start creating high earth orbital guns that can rain down large inert ordinance or start harvesting asteroids and push them into a trajectory to their intended target. In both cases let gravity do all the hard work. No missile defense shield can stop a house sized chunk of iron going 30K mph. That should have the power of an atomic bomb without the radiation.

Using high precision explosive ordinance is so passe. Time to act like gods and get back to wiping out entire countries; not just small Toyota pickups in the middle of deserts.
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