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ACTA's EU Future In Doubt As Poland Suspends Ratification

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the hitting-the-brakes dept.

EU 139

superglaze writes "Poland has suspended its ratification process for ACTA, throwing the copyright crackdown into doubt for the whole European Union. ACTA is being handled as a 'mixed agreement' in the EU due to its criminalization clauses, so if a single EU member state (such as Poland) fails to ratify it, it is null and void across the entire union. If that were to happen, at least six of the remaining international signatories would have to ratify ACTA for it to apply anywhere in the world. Outside the EU, only eight countries — including the U.S. — have signed."

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139 comments

backlash? (0)

bmimatt (1021295) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920393)

Fuckin' A!

Re:backlash? (5, Interesting)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920443)

There's a great pic of about 15 Polish legislators, holding paper Guy Fawkes masks over their faces - as the vote is tallied.
http://static.arstechnica.net/2012/01/30/polish-mask-4f26f00-intro.jpg [arstechnica.net]

Re:backlash? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38920533)

That is freaking awesome :D

Re:backlash? (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920649)

Remember, remember, the 5th of November...

Re:backlash? (1)

IronHalik (1568993) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921185)

The gunpowder, treason, and plot...

Re:backlash? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38922055)

Ironically its also copyright infringement. Or I bet some lawyers at WB think so.
Its funny that every time an Anon buys a Guy Fawkes / V mask from Amazon for $1.37 that WB gets richer.

Re:backlash? (1)

F.Ultra (1673484) | more than 2 years ago | (#38923101)

In all the pictures of people with these masks they are simple cut outs from printed paper. I don't think any Anon at all buys these from some one who pays any license to WB.

Re:backlash? (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920763)

It would appear that the MPAA Forgot Poland...

Re:backlash? (4, Funny)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922065)

See! That's ONE difference between them and the Nazis!

Re:backlash? (4, Funny)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920897)

This just in:

Sources in Washington report the extraordinary rendition of 15 Polish politicians for copyright violation from the Parliament Building of the European Union early today. Acting on secret orders from the MPAA and RIAA, spokesmutants claimed yet another victory in the War Against Piracy and Terrorism. The sources added, an additional 4 British journalists were also captured when they pointed out that it was a British copyright that was infringed upon, not an American copyright. The journalists are said to be 'settling in quite nicely' at Guantanamo Bay's Camp X-Ray...

Re:backlash? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38922217)

What were the 15 Polish MPs doing in the European Parliament building?

Re:backlash? (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | more than 2 years ago | (#38923051)

Why Guy Fawkes? That mask as a symbol is ridiculous. Guy Fawkes was a loser not a hero. Of course, I guess it's no more ridiculous than pacifists who wear Che Guevara tee shirts...

Re:backlash? (1)

F.Ultra (1673484) | more than 2 years ago | (#38923107)

What he as a person did is no longer relevant, symbols gets new meanings all the time.

Oh no (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38920395)

They forgot about Poland!

Re:Oh no (1)

tqk (413719) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922579)

They forgot about Poland!

It wouldn't be the first time. Remember Yalta? Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin all conspired to forget the Poles helped the Allies a lot, and died a lot for their trouble. Katyn Woods massacre was a propaganda coup used by both the Nazis and Soviets in turn.

BRAVO POLSKA! (5, Insightful)

n1ywb (555767) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920421)

Let me be the first to say "BARDZO DOBRZA! ACTA JEST GUWNO!" ("Very well done! ACTA is shit!")

Re:BRAVO POLSKA! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38920543)

I think you wanted to say: "Bardzo dobrze! ACTA to gówno!"

Re:BRAVO POLSKA! (1)

Janek Kozicki (722688) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922211)

Let me be the first to say "BARDZO DOBRZA! ACTA JEST GUWNO!" ("Very well done! ACTA is shit!")

I think you wanted to say: "Bardzo dobrze! ACTA to gówno!"

AC is right. It should be "Bardzo dobrze! ACTA to [jest] gówno!"

- verb "jest"(PL)=="is" (EN) is not necessary.
- ó and u are different letters.

Re:BRAVO POLSKA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38920841)

"ACTA jest gównem"
"ACTA to [jest] gówno" (verb is optional)

ó and u sound the same, but their linguistic origin is different and it has consequences in declension and conjugation

Re:BRAVO POLSKA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38920943)

You're welcome :)

Polish Anon stays ready to fight, in case our sh*thead gov't tries to pull something again.

Re:BRAVO POLSKA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38921271)

Yep. It's at times like this that I'm a little bit more proud to be part Polish :)

Thank you (5, Insightful)

qmaqdk (522323) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920427)

Thank you (again) Poland.

How can I thank my representative? (1)

F69631 (2421974) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920747)

I'd like to thank my representatives. The problem is, I don't live in Poland or know any Polish... Can someone from there tell me who/where/how to send my thanks and perhaps who to donate a bit of money for next elections? (I feel somewhat betrayed by the far-left candidate I voted for [wikipedia.org] , who actually became a minister of culture and one of the first things he did was to act like a good puppet of our RIAA-equivalent. He was the one guy I had hoped to protect my interests against those of multinational capitalistic corporations...)

Poland should have something like sixth-most weight to throw around in the EU but for some reason, they tend to act like one of the smaller countries. It's good that a lot of decisions are still made through consensus like this. And I feel a bit of pride that our own parliament likes it just the way it is [www.hs.fi] .

Re:How can I thank my representative? (4, Insightful)

SharpFang (651121) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922869)

Funny thing, there is not one party in Poland that can be trusted currently. Even these with the masks were just trying to cash in on the popularity, but they "woke up" only after massive protests started...

Re:Thank you (5, Informative)

TheBlackMan (1458563) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920769)

I am Polish and actually, it is only our Prime Minister which is trying to manipulate the public into thinking that acta will not be ratified.

Most of us is pretty sure that it is only a suspension, not complete stop. Polish government has a long history of lying and manipulating us, so they are waiting for the protests to chill out and will push ACTA at other time.

We are now in the process of collecting signatures for a referendum, so we can kill ACTA once and for all. If that will not be enough, it may even be neccessary to remove the government.

Re:Thank you (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38920817)

Maybe you can put them all in a plane going to Russia.

Re:Thank you (1, Funny)

TheBlackMan (1458563) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920961)

Apparently, somebody already tried that once, but by mistake the plane was filled with wrong people.

Perhaps somebody should try again, doing it properly this time ?

Re:Thank you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38921103)

There were right people there, just not all of them.

Re:Thank you (2)

SharpFang (651121) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922903)

damn right.
(pun unintended but accurate)

Bastards had said about a year ago that nothing will be done towards ratifying ACTA until its impact on the Internet is analysed in full detail.
Then they signed it without reading.

If they wanan pass it (MPAA ??) (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38920429)

They should bribe every country in the EU, not just the US.

Heck yeah! (5, Insightful)

robinsonne (952701) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920435)

My thanks go out to the Polish people that are making enough of a stink about this that their government had to (maybe) reconsider.

Re:Heck yeah! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38920527)

Personally, I'd like to give a big 'fuck you' to President Obama for trying to bypass congressional approval on ACTA by classifying it not as a treaty, but as an "executive agreement".

Although congress would probably pass it anyway, now that the Republicans realize that helping out Hollywood is acting against their best interest, there is at least a shot it would get shot down...

So much for 'change', just glad I voted third party. I'd rather throw away my vote than support a clown from the Republicrats.

Re:Heck yeah! (4, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921137)

Voting for either D or R is throwing your vote away. The only vote that counts is one for a third party.

Re:Heck yeah! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38922381)

Voting for either D or R—unless you're doing it with a gun—is throwing your vote away.

TFTFY.

Re:Heck yeah! (4, Funny)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920737)

My thanks go out to the Polish people that are making enough of a stink about this

today, in their honor, I will refrain from making polish sausage jokes.

Re:Heck yeah! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38921007)

I agree. It looks like the Polish aren't as stupid as some make them out to be.

The industry's next move (5, Funny)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920437)

Kick Poland out of the EU

Re:The industry's next move (2)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920695)

industry response: poland is now going to be forced to move to dvd region #12.

(claims its not from there, though)

Re:The industry's next move (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920715)

Nuke Poland from orbit

FTFY

Re:The industry's next move (1)

stanlyb (1839382) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920799)

Kick EU out of Poland.

Re:The industry's next move (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38921727)

"You cant fire me! I QUIT.

Re:The industry's next move (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38921063)

YES PLEASE!

- a pole

I love you, Poland! (4, Insightful)

HBI (604924) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920451)

There's an immense store of goodwill towards Poland in the US, despite the ludicrous actions of our corporations and government. When it counts, it will be repaid.

I feel a subluxation coming on... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38920465)

better turn off my wifi

Ah... (1)

IronHalik (1568993) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920471)

There are not many opportunities to by proud of my countrymen, but now, for once, we have shown true citizenship and democratic backbone.

Re:Ah... (1)

tqk (413719) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922783)

There are not many opportunities to by proud of my countrymen ...

If you think that, you need to read more history. I hope my Canuck compatriots can display even half the backbone Poles have, over and over again, when ACTA/SOPA/PIPA/TPP arrive here.

Apart from helping out with the BoB and Enigma... (1)

reluctantjoiner (2486248) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922899)

Yeah, not a whole lot to be proud of. I see what you mean. /s

Poland once again makes a stand against tyranny. (5, Interesting)

sehlat (180760) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920485)

This day will hopefully be remembered just as September 17, 1939 [wikipedia.org] is.

Re:Poland once again makes a stand against tyranny (1)

JustSomeProgrammer (1881750) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920509)

Because the RIAA and MPAA will get into tanks and perform a Blietzkreig on Poland?

Re:Poland once again makes a stand against tyranny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38920557)

No they will make a secret packet between Russia and Germany to divide and annex the country

Re:Poland once again makes a stand against tyranny (2)

g0bshiTe (596213) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920663)

I guess that would be a "stateful packet".

Re:Poland once again makes a stand against tyranny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38920563)

I don't know about the tanks, but the attack was secretly planned and swiftly executed, yes.

Re:Poland once again makes a stand against tyranny (1)

jd2112 (1535857) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920641)

Because the RIAA and MPAA will get into tanks and perform a Blietzkreig on Poland?

MPAA's panzers are hollywood props. And this time the Polish Army won't be fighting on horseback like they did against the Nazis.
Better watch out for the zombie lawyer attack though.

Re:Poland once again makes a stand against tyranny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38920731)

The biggest weapon we have is to kick american culture from europe.
Lets legislate a "preserve european culture" act and be done with it.
Allow 1 american film per year, and not more than 3 hours of american music on broadcast radio.
Fuck you MPAA and RIAA.

Re:Poland once again makes a stand against tyranny (2)

ZeroSumHappiness (1710320) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920927)

Can the US get that law, too?

"I am a Pole" (5, Interesting)

chrb (1083577) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921089)

Reminds me of the WWII story of Piorun versus the Bismarck: [lapsedhistorian.com]

Plawski knew what he had to do – without the other destroyers Piorun couldn’t hope to face the Bismarck alone. Now that suprise was lost the Battleship was fast enough to keep Piorun out of torpedo range, the Piorun couldn’t stay in contact with her now. She should radio in Bismarck’s latest position and then, for want of another phrase, get the fuck out of Dodge.

They’d all just have to hope that another ship was close enough to make contact with her again before she managed to slip away again – although given the weather and the darkness Plawski realised that was increasingly unlikely.

It was frustrating and may ultimately mean the British missed their opportunity to intercept, but sadly, that was the only sensible option. Anything else was suicide.

Plawski though for a split second then sighed, smiled and gave his orders to his crew:

“Full speed ahead. All hands to battlestations. We attack.”

Re:"I am a Pole" (1)

sehlat (180760) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921265)

“Full speed ahead. All hands to battlestations. We attack.”

To paraphrase Robert Heinlein, Tradition is doing things in the same grand style as your ancestors.

I'm glad Poland has not forgotten their traditions.

Re:Poland once again makes a stand against tyranny (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38921631)

Poland once again makes a stand against tyranny.

Yes. They do [wikipedia.org] that [wikipedia.org] a [wikipedia.org] lot [solidarity.gov.pl] .

awesome (1)

bash-rules_$ (1533589) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920529)

Poland is better representing its citizens rights on this issue than is my own country (USA). After seeing PIPA/SOPA fallout, I can't believe anyone in the US region of politics would want to attach their name to this. How do how do treaties work anyway? I don't remember having a vote on this.

Re:awesome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38920613)

Obama approved it all on his own. If you wanted to stop this happening, you would need to have voted against Obama (and for someone who wouldn't have signed it).

Re:awesome (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920719)

McCain likely wouldn't have survived long in office. The guy's a geezer, and the additional stress likely would have killed him. Which would have left us with Palin. She'd have signed it in an instant.

Re:awesome (3, Insightful)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920785)

ALL american politicians would sign this. come on, guys! stop acting like this is partisan.

mpaa/riaa own all those in power. D/R does not really matter.

they do own more of the D's but I hardly think the 'less government' R's would really step back from this; not one bit!

if you want to hate obama, fine. but don't act like the other guys would have done us any better!

Re:awesome (3, Insightful)

rahvin112 (446269) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921483)

Who gave you the impression the R's are for less government? That's not even REMOTELY true. The Republicans are for less of certain kinds of government and absolutely for more of other kinds. The Dems are in the same position, wanting more of some kinds and less of others. The disagreement between the parties is which parts need less and which parts need more.

Re:awesome (1)

zill (1690130) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921179)

Technically if there was super-majority opposition to this ""executive agreement" in the congress Obama could be impeached. Unfortunately this technicality can only occur in the fantasy world where elected representatives are not corporate sock puppets.

Re:awesome (1)

andymadigan (792996) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922219)

Impeachment requires a criminal offense. The constitution does not grant congress a general power to remove the president by a supermajority vote. If the claim is that classifying ACTA as an executive agreement is a criminal act, you'd first have to prove that it isn't an executive agreement. That would require a court ruling, not just a supermajority of congress.

Of course, I suppose they could try something like what happened with Andrew Johnson, but given the public's opinion of congress right now that would almost certainly backfire.

The U.S. hasn't ratified, either. (4, Informative)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920545)

ACTA, as it currently stands, in not binding on the U.S., because Congress has not ratified it.

The Executive branch has no Constitutional authority to enforce it as any kind of treaty without ratification by Congress. I know some are "debating" this, but the debate is nothing but BS. The Constitution spells it out pretty clearly.

Re:The U.S. hasn't ratified, either. (4, Insightful)

NoKaOi (1415755) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920579)

The Executive branch has no Constitutional authority to enforce it as any kind of treaty without ratification by Congress. I know some are "debating" this, but the debate is nothing but BS. The Constitution spells it out pretty clearly.

Since when does it matter what's spelled out in the constitution? Seems it's been awhile, at least when it's inconvenient to the executive branch.

Re:The U.S. hasn't ratified, either. (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920609)

"Since when does it matter what's spelled out in the constitution?"

I agree that many in D.C. have ignored the Constitution. But it does matter. It matters a lot.

Re:The U.S. hasn't ratified, either. (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920833)

I agree that many in D.C. have ignored the Constitution. But it does matter. It matters a lot.

only matters on the days your teacher has a written exam for you.

all other days, knowing your rights or the laws means, essentially, nothing.

Re:The U.S. hasn't ratified, either. (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921213)

...all other days, knowing your rights or the laws means, essentially, nothing.

I guess that depends on who you ask [deathpenaltyinfo.org] ...

Re:The U.S. hasn't ratified, either. (1)

FoolishOwl (1698506) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920835)

As SOPA/PIPA revealed, not all the power groups in the US are of one mind about this issue. And the system of "checks and balances" allows for an out in this sort of scenario, when some power groups are willing to fight it out.

Re:The U.S. hasn't ratified, either. (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922729)

Um... no. SOPA and PIPA were bills before Congress. ACTA was (supposed to be) a treaty.

They are very different things.

Granted, there may have been some of the same "power groups" behind them, but legally and politically they are completely different species.

Re:The U.S. hasn't ratified, either. (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920733)

Since when does it matter what's spelled out in the constitution? Seems it's been awhile, at least when it's inconvenient to the executive branch.

Since the American people became so complacent as to allow the federal government to over step it's bounds.

Re:The U.S. hasn't ratified, either. (2)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920813)

ok, do a thought experiment.

you do what you think is permitted by the constitution. then we have cops with guns and spray on the other side, 'interpreting' things their way.

lets have you wave (waive?) the constitution in front of them as they are kicking down your door and assaulting you.

yeah, paper really stops rocks. and bullets. and pepperspray.

as always: might makes right. and you and I have no real might. not really.

Re:The U.S. hasn't ratified, either. (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922741)

"as always: might makes right. and you and I have no real might. not really."

How fatalistic can you get? Sheesh.

Actually, as a citizen you have A LOT of "might". A lot more than the police, OR the Federal government, if you but stick together on an issue.

Re:The U.S. hasn't ratified, either. (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38920819)

Maybe if enough Americans got out in the streets to protest ACTA like the Poles did, Obama would unilaterally rescind the agreement.

Re:The U.S. hasn't ratified, either. (1)

stanlyb (1839382) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920837)

You mean just like NDAA was not signed on too???

Re:The U.S. hasn't ratified, either. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38920845)

The Constitution spells it out pretty clearly.

Really?

Article I, Section 8, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution, known as the Copyright Clause, empowers the United States Congress:
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.

Inventors = Patent = 20 years

Authors = the rest of their life + 70 years.

Right. So works that are made in the year you were born enter the Public Domain when you are an old balding grumpy man, 5 years into retirement, with problems holding up your pee. Sure. It's limited. But is it what the Founding Fathers intended, such a huge difference in "limited Times" between Inventors and Authors?

Re:The U.S. hasn't ratified, either. (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921009)

Authors = the rest of their life + 70 years and counting.

FTFY. If things keep going as they are, copyrights will never expire again.

Re:The U.S. hasn't ratified, either. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38920903)

The Executive branch has no Constitutional authority to enforce it as any kind of treaty without ratification by Congress.

If the Executive branch believes it has the authority to enforce it and the Legislative and Judicial branch don't disagree, it is effectively binding.

Re:The U.S. hasn't ratified, either. (2)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921845)

The Executive branch has no Constitutional authority to enforce it as any kind of treaty without ratification by Congress.

Ratification of treaties is by the Senate alone, not "by the Congress." If an international agreement is implemented by Congress through the normal legislative process, it is a normal statute law (these are also referred to as "Congressional-executive agreements"); the power to enter into these agreements is limited by Congress' existing enumerated powers, since this is simply an exercise of those powers in concert with foreign nations.

If an international agreement is implemented by the President alone, it is referred to as a "sole executive agreement", and it is constrained by the same bounds as the President's independent executive authority generally, as this is simple an exercise of that power in concert with foreign nations.

Only by treaty ratified by a 2/3 vote in the Senate can an international agreement extend beyond the other enumerated powers of Congress and/or the Executive, since only by treaty is a separate, independent Constitutional power of government exercised.

In international law as opposed to US Constitutional law, all three forms of agreements are "treaties".

In the particular case of ACTA, as a sole executive agreement it only has effect to the extent that it is within powers which are either inherent in the executive or which the executive has been given by law; looking through the text of ACTA that would seem to make most of provisions dead letters in US law.

Re:The U.S. hasn't ratified, either. (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922895)

"Ratification of treaties is by the Senate alone, not "by the Congress.""

Yes, by the Senate. But the Senate is part of Congress. Therefore, since you feel like nitpicking, "not 'by the Congress'" is incorrect.

"If an international agreement is implemented by Congress through the normal legislative process..."

Correct, but completely irrelevant in this case.

"If an international agreement is implemented by the President alone... it is constrained by the same bounds as the President's independent executive authority..."

Exactly. And as a corollary: it is therefore not domestic law. That was my point.

"Only by treaty ratified by a 2/3 vote in the Senate can an international agreement extend beyond the other enumerated powers of Congress and/or the Executive, since only by treaty is a separate, independent Constitutional power of government exercised."

This is very much debatable, since the Constitution does not stipulate which shall have priority, nor has the question ever been unequivocally settled by the Supreme Court. It would be just as valid to claim that the Constitution constrains treaties. Either one is an assumption with very little foundation.

"In international law as opposed to US Constitutional law, all three forms of agreements are "treaties"."

Again, irrelevant in this case, since I was referring to its effect on U.S. law.

One thing GWB was right on... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38920605)

...do not forget about Poland.

poland of all countries (2)

nevbear666 (1530271) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920615)

big cudoes to you, peoples, your acting in this case put you all alot closer to my heart.

Never forget Poland! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38920659)

http://polandshirt2.ytmnd.com/

Way to go, Poland. We won't be like John Kerry and forget you.

Meant to Fail (1)

Dripdry (1062282) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920709)

Has anyone else considered that the politicos in the U.S. aren't as stupid as we're making them out to be?

Perhaps they've pulled this ACTA thing together because they KNOW they it will never get fully ratified, and a bunch of this crazy copyright stuff is merely to get the RIAA/MPAA off their back? "Sorry! We did our best, looks like you'll have to compete in the open market..." Then they've fulfilled their duties to the companies they know are dying, and actually positioned themselves to buddy up to the online communities by saying "Hey! ACTA wasn't passed... you didn't REALLY think we meant it when this thing went through, did you? We've know for years that those dumb assholes at the recording industry are dead in the water... we just needed to get them off our backs to concentrate on you guys!"

I mean, it's a bit far-fetched,but I just can't shake the feeling that these people are not THIS stupid, because individually many aren't.

Re:Meant to Fail (2)

jesseck (942036) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920893)

No, I don't think it's a big sham by politicians. For many of them, their campaigns (and wealth) relies on RIAA/MPAA and other SOPA/PIPA/ACTA supporters contributions. If it was a ploy to take Hollywood money, I think Hollywood would have figured it out before now. We're at a tipping point in World / US history- change is coming (and not the false Change of Obama). What we are observing is people, and politicians as the people's proxy, saying enough is enough.

Re:Meant to Fail (1)

stanlyb (1839382) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920915)

It has almost worked. But they did not predict the outcry in EU. They thought they have bought them, and if this ACTA was signed some 3 months ago for example, they could actually have succeed. Not anymore. We, the people, we had it enough. Our patient is over. Remember, remember......

Estonia hasn't signed yet too... (5, Informative)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920721)

...and reason was also that agreement is too complex to be signed away so easily, so they have to discuss it first too. I highly doubt that they will hear nothing what happen in Poland and other countries with public opinion. This is country where government actually listens to people, using Internet extensively to collect comments about proposed laws.This is also a land where they elect their government using Internet and Skype was also started there.

SUSPENDED not CANCELLED! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38920729)

According to reports, Tusk said on Friday that his government had made insufficient consultations before signing the agreement in late January, and it was necessary to ensure it was entirely safe for Polish citizens.

All they have to do is do some consultations (like on C-32 in Canada, now known as C-11) and totally ignore them (like C-11 in Canada) and then pass it anyway (with some bogus excuse).

Make sure when you get to get out on February 11. Let this strengthen your resolve. Massive outcries DO work. In order to make suspension into cancellation, this issue needs to stay 'alive'.

This is far from victory (3)

poszi (698272) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920757)

Currently there is an enormous backlash against ACTA in Poland. If the ratification voting were held today, it would likely be rejected. But suspending means trying to push it later (or via EU channels) when it becomes forgotten. Now is the time for other EU citizens to stand up when it is still hot. Sadly, corporate lobbying is so strong nowadays that fighting it requires almost constant effort.

I take back every polish joke I ever made (1)

davydagger (2566757) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920759)

I herby take back every polish joke I've ever made.

hats off to poland! you guys rock.

Re:I take back every polish joke I ever made (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38921369)

Don't take them back some of us enjoy them.

  Some of the other comments said some things i too agree with.
This is a smoke screen.. trying to avoid backlash... when things quiet down they'll try to pass it again.
the only thing that PM said is that ACTA ratification may have not been presented well enough to the polish people.
not that it might be bad.. or he sees some of the points as a lot of us do. Just that it wasn't put forward to the public.
So I wouldn't have much hope that we will block ACTA but i sure will freeze my ass off in any protest i get a chance to participate in.

Well done Poland!!!! (3, Insightful)

bazmail (764941) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920781)

From Soviet puppet state to sole voice of freedom and reason in Europe in the space of 20 years. Wow.

Re:Well done Poland!!!! (5, Insightful)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921827)

Why is that surprising? They understand much better than many Western European states (or U.S. for that matter) why freedom matters, from recent and very personal experience.

ACTA negotiators' biggest mistake (1)

jez9999 (618189) | more than 2 years ago | (#38920923)

Hey, lawyers: You Forgot Poland!

We did it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38921485)

This is Poland! We are taking over this thread! :P

Thank you, Poland! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38921763)

Thank you, Polish protesters on the streets and in the parliament, that is. No thanks to Donald Tusk, he's still a prick. But right now he's a prick who is afraid he might lose some voters.

I feel bad for putting down Stanisaw Lem's "Fiasco" halfway through now. I think I'm going to finish it.

Re:Thank you, Poland! (2)

arcctgx (607542) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922567)

And after you finish "Fiasco" give "The Invincible" a try. It's Lem's best vision of extraterrestial contact. IMHO of course.

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