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Canada's Internet Among Best, Report Says

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the not-just-good-at-having-moose dept.

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silentbrad writes "Canadians enjoy among the fastest, most widely available and least expensive broadband Internet in the developed world, says a report released Thursday. The report, based on the results of 52 million speed tests of broadband users across the G7 countries and Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) membership, was produced by Montreal-based consulting firm Lemay Yates Associates Inc. on behalf of Rogers Communications Inc., the country's largest broadband service provider. It disputes the OECD's own report, published in July, that ranked Canada's high-speed Internet offerings significantly below those of other countries. The report comes days after the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission revealed a sharp jump in the number of complaints it has received regarding Internet traffic-management practices, or 'throttling' in recent months." And it's about to get a little better — reader ForgedArtificer points out that Rogers has promised to end all throttling over their network by the end of the year.

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Internet *access* (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38921723)

Canada's Internet access is among the best. They do not have their own internet.

Re:Internet *access* (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38921819)

Um, if we severed all external links we'd still have an "Internet" ya hoser

Re:Internet *access* (0)

crutchy (1949900) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921999)

canada does so have an internet... wtf do you think the internet is? you don't think they have tubes in canada?

Re:Internet *access* (2)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#38923077)

It's the old joke, like our navy. The strong, the proud, the battle canoe. Fear it. Along with the trusty beaver. After all, you've never seen a man shake in fear, until you've seen a Newfie in a kilt, riding at you on a moose, shaking an angry beaver.

It gives me chills.

Re:Internet *access* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38923587)

mmm... beaver

Bell Canada (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38921743)

I Got 25 Mbps & 200G llimits for almost nothing, and you can add lots of 120G for 40$

Re:Bell Canada (3, Insightful)

omganton (2554342) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921771)

200GB IS almost nothing these days.

Not that I can talk, Comcast caps me at 250GB.

Re:Bell Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38921991)

I use 200GB before breakfast, on the first day of the month...

Re:Bell Canada (1)

RavenManiac (220921) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922039)

How long does it take to DL 200GB on basic DSL? All month?

HAHAHAHA

Re:Bell Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38923015)

It would take me about 4 days to download 200GB on DSL here. I would also be charged around $100.

Re:Bell Canada (1)

crutchy (1949900) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922145)

let me guess... you are borg?

Re:Bell Canada (4, Interesting)

rikkards (98006) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921781)

Or Teksavvy 30M & unlimited for $49

Re:Bell Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38923235)

Must be nice living where you are. Teksavvy unlimited cable is about 80$ in Montreal, for only 8M. The unlimited at the price you mentioned, is 6M, on dsl. (which is subject to bandwidth throttling, unlike the cable one.)

Re:Bell Canada (2)

ILongForDarkness (1134931) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921977)

I don't know about "almost nothing". I have 50/2 Mbps cable for ~$100 a month. 250 cap I think it is. 50c per GB after up to an extra $50. So in practice me and the two other guys I live with download as much as we want and it costs $150 a month. Not bad compared to actually having to pay for all that porn but still not cheap. I write off the 2/3rds of the internet though because the other guys are tenants and it is operating expense :-)

Re:Bell Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38922459)

So, in Western Canada, for 114$/mo you can get 250Mbps down /15 MBps up with a 1TB cap, from Shaw. 65$ gets you 50/3 with a 400GB cap.

Strange thing with averages, half the people have to be below average, I guess that is just you guys in Eastern Canada. lol.

Re:Bell Canada (1)

DeathFromSomewhere (940915) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922715)

Average is not the same as median. </pedantic>

Re:Bell Canada (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38923005)

I don't know about "almost nothing". I have 50/2 Mbps cable for ~$100 a month. 250 cap I think it is. 50c per GB after up to an extra $50. So in practice me and the two other guys I live with download as much as we want and it costs $150 a month. Not bad compared to actually having to pay for all that porn but still not cheap. I write off the 2/3rds of the internet though because the other guys are tenants and it is operating expense :-)

Imagine that. If you lived in Northern Europe, I could sell you 100/100 FTTH with no caps and no blocking of any kind, for less than what you're paying now.

Re:Bell Canada (1)

crutchy (1949900) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922049)

in aus i pay $80 for home line + 50 Gb ADSL2+ /month

i get about 8 mbps consistent download on speedtest.net which is good enough for my needs, but it will be interesting to see how this all changes when (if) the NBN (fibre to the premises) gets implemented in my area. no doubt performance will increase (probably not incredibly though) but cost will also increase.

Re:Bell Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38923729)

By comparison, I am in upstate New York (i.e. the oft-forgotten part of the state that isn't NYC -- about 250km from NYC, actually), and I am paying $55/mo US (abut $51/mo Australian) in exchange for download speeds of 15 Mb/s with occasional bursts up to 20 Mb/s and upload speeds that are pretty consistently 4.5 Mb/s. Now, this isn't what Time-Warner promises (30/5) but it is meeting my needs sweetly.

I should mention that I got them to bring the price down to $55 by pointing out that their competitor (Verizon -- the local telco) was offering 15/5 for $55. Normally, Time-Warner would only give you 12/0.7 for $55 in this area, and what I am getting would normally be around $85.

Re:Bell Canada (1)

mariasama16 (1895136) | more than 2 years ago | (#38923685)

I have no caps on my internet, 10/2 Mbps, fiber and including TV (HD+DVR+top package without extra sports/premium channels) for $80/mon down here in the States. My provider is actually not a national provider, just a regional one and is much more known for telephone service (including cell phones), but I also get a discount (all of $10/mon) for being in my apartment complex.

And the report was paid for by... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38921777)

The report, based on the results of 52 million speed tests of broadband users across the G7 countries and Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) membership, was produced by Montreal-based consulting firm Lemay Yates Associates Inc. on behalf of Rogers Communications Inc.

I think that alone says how big a grain of salt to take this report with.

Re:And the report was paid for by... (5, Insightful)

Erioll (229536) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921847)

Exactly. The international report, we're doing not so hot. The one funded by one of the largest communications companies in the country who has an interest in the status quo: we're awesome!

Gee, you think there might be some bias?

Re:And the report was paid for by... (2, Insightful)

Obfuscant (592200) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921901)

Gee, you think there might be some bias?

In both reports, sure. You aren't accepting the "international report" at face value either, are you?

Re:And the report was paid for by... (4, Insightful)

crutchy (1949900) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922229)

merely comparatively speaking, i would trust a report ranking canadian internet performance from the OECD on face value more so than i would trust a similar report funded by a canadian telco on face value.

the factual accuracy (or lack thereof) of either is irrelevant in making such a decision (in this case bias trumps).

Re:And the report was paid for by... (4, Interesting)

clarkn0va (807617) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921927)

http://i.imgur.com/M3G7f.png [imgur.com] The math there is a little old, and SSD prices have come down some.

Re:And the report was paid for by... (0)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922311)

http://i.imgur.com/M3G7f.png [imgur.com] The math there is a little old, and SSD prices have come down some.

Wow... Just wow...

Re:And the report was paid for by... (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922291)

The thing that leaped out at me was "Canadians enjoy among the fastest, most widely available and least expensive broadband Internet in the developed world" and "Rogers has promised to end all throttling over their network by the end of the year." So did they test it new on day one, or at the end of the month on day 28...

Re:And the report was paid for by... (2)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922461)

Rogers is going to stop throttling because they've lowered all their monthly caps to ridiculously low levels. To invoke Godwin: "The Third Reich has stopped killing Jews! We ran out!"

Re:And the report was paid for by... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38922607)

Yeah, no idea why we couldn't have that at the BEGINNING of the summary, so I could have stopped reading right away.
Hell, it could have even been right there in the title: Rogers Communications says Canada has best 'Net Access.

I could have stopped reading after "Rogers Communications says".

Re:And the report was paid for by... (0)

inosent1 (142433) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922811)

I acually believe the report. It's easy to have fast internet when there are no other people on the pipe. What are there, three people in canada? I'm sure it took those three a long time to do 52 million tests, but i'm sure the internet is fast.

Not even close (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38921779)

I live in Canada and we have unusually slow and expensive Internet connections compared to other developed countries, especially places in Europe and the more liberal parts of east Asia. A lot of that is due to the remoteness of much of Canada. In the cities it's not so bad, but step outside the city limits and the speed drops off in a hurry. Many places in rural Canada don't have high-speed yet, at least not without a a very expensive satellite connection.
The highest speed connection I can find in my corner of the country is about 1/200th the speed of my friend's standard connection in Korea. And close to the same price.

Re:Not even close (5, Interesting)

BitterOak (537666) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921997)

A lot of that is due to the remoteness of much of Canada. In the cities it's not so bad, but step outside the city limits and the speed drops off in a hurry. Many places in rural Canada don't have high-speed yet, at least not without a a very expensive satellite connection.

I can second that. I have a friend who lives on a small farm just outside of the city (and I mean just outside), and he uses dialup. I'm not kidding. No cable. No DSL. His only "high speed" option would be satellite, which he can't really afford, and isn't that great anyway. The sad part is, his job is in IT. He also has three school age children. I'm not talking about remote here, either, I'm talking about a farm just outside city limits.

Re:Not even close (5, Insightful)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922539)

I can confirm both of these posters. There are parts inside of my city where you can't get DSL or Cable still, because there isn't the infrastructure. This is a city of 70k people. What's annoying as hell? The "northern broadband initiative" which originally was the rural broadband initiative. Where they were supposed to be getting broadband to places just outside of cities, and all that. Of course now it's all dry, and rogers, bell, and other companies just took the money and ran like hell.

Canada is damned terrible for broadband.

Re:Not even close (4, Informative)

ILongForDarkness (1134931) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922119)

The beauty is though in Canada most of the population is in big cities. About half of our population lives in the top 10 cities. Heck nearly a third of the country lives in the bottom half of Ontario. So comparing the "average" canadian we might look pretty good but mainly because we for the most part live in large cities. For the 30% or so not in a big city life can suck, 25Mbps on a LTE dongle for $91 for a 9GB monthly cap assuming you can get a signal in the hicks.

Ontario (1)

Oxford_Comma_Lover (1679530) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922661)

The beauty is though in Canada most of the population is in big cities. About half of our population lives in the top 10 cities. Heck nearly a third of the country lives in the bottom half of Ontario.

The bottom half of Ontario, to clarify, is not a city--there are just a few cities there. It is mostly rural--small towns, family farms, or commuter rural. (By commuter rural, I mean not really suburban, but nevertheless commuter). But quite a few of them have DSL.

Re:Not even close (4, Insightful)

realityimpaired (1668397) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922149)

Depends on who you're comparing it against. I pay $42/mo for 12meg DSL with a 300GB cap, and unmetered usage between 2am and 8am. Compared to the US, that's *really* cheap. Compared to South Korea? You've gotta be kidding me.

That being said, it does depend on where you are. The FTTH service that Aliant sells on the east coast is *way* cheaper than DSL services in Ontario/Quebec. Still, I do have to ask what developed countries the "study" looked at, because anecdotally I know that many developed countries in Europe put Canada to shame.

Re:Not even close (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38923183)

While it is true that high bandwidth services are widely available on Canada they still have some heavy caps, as parent mentioned 12meg with 300GB cap, and that seems to be common, take for example the infamous Rogers, with that sort of limitations the Canadian broadband does not seem so awesome anymore.

I find those studies a bit misleading, I live in a "third world country" and I get 20mb adsl for around $44/mo plus basic phone services, and that is uncapped, I'm all for better services but the comparison is a bit meaningless given the caps and prices.

But... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38922161)

It is normal to have cheap high speed internet access in other countries as well? IMO, comparison between cities should be separate from comparison between rural areas.

Re:Not even close (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38922657)

As a Canadian now living in Europe let me say Canada's internet is slower, more expensive and more restrictive than anything I've seen here. Most Canadians know this too, so at least this report will serve as a textbook example of buying results and why you should never trust a study without first looking at who paid for it.

not good for streaming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38921783)

For video streaming users, it sucks. You need to carefully manage your usage because of bandwidth cap. If you use more than 9GB/month, your internet account might be blocked.

I'll believe it when I see the speed in my home (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38921791)

Sure... I will believe Rogers when I actually see the speed improvement in my own home. I will admit that their service has improved over the years. No throttling. I'm sure they will just change the name of the function to something else.

Re:I'll believe it when I see the speed in my home (1)

ILongForDarkness (1134931) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922157)

I get greater than 5MBps on my 50Mbps Rogers connection (so pretty close to theoretical max and the rest is probably overhead anyways). But that is only for a dedicated download server that is fast. Trying to pull something from a torrent best I've done is about 1.5MBps on something really popular (like a House episode), more typical is about 500KBps. But that said 500KBps is fast enough that I can download 720p faster than I can watch it so it doesn't really matter much to me.

Best Internet? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38921807)

Best Internet?? Ohh that must be why my parents are forced to pay $59 a month for 512kbps as their only non-dialup option! $99 for 1mbit. Also a download usage cap of 24MB/hr... Don't believe me? netkaster.ca/packages.htm

1st... (5, Funny)

fire113 (1905208) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921809)

Would have had 1st post, but Rogers is throttling me...

Re:1st... (1)

RavenManiac (220921) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922077)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Re:1st... (1)

ILongForDarkness (1134931) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922177)

post 20 instead, yep that is about right ;-)

Our internet sucks (5, Informative)

Deliveranc3 (629997) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921815)

The big two (Bell and Rogers) just successfully lobbied to FORCE OUR OTHER COMPANIES to stop offering unlimited home internet.

Prices just went up from $24.95 a month for reasonable service (had problems with the Acanac $19.95 sorry) to $29 and that's only available paid in advance for a year (Still WAY WAY better the 3 year contracts they were handing out 5 years ago, but still...)

So our internet is now more expensive by 1/6 not sure how much that factors in but you can get a T1 anywhere so it must play a role.

Also they're rolling out wireless net, 802.11i/s equivalent... which increases penetration but hurts reliability and latency... which means no gaming + slow page refreshes + fewer home servers.

So depending on when the study was conducted they could be way off... Canadians generally are reasonably well off, educated and meticulous (fallout from the "Friendly Polite" thing) so we took to computing pretty well... doesn't mean the companies providing it are worth a damn.

I still remember receiving a file from a girlfriend living in Korea. Holy tube inferiority batman! She saturated my downlink then wrote me asking if something was broken :(

Re:Our internet sucks (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38921857)

"Finally, the perfect thread to bring up the girlfriend anecdote!"
-You

Re:Our internet sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38921953)

It sucks in most places. I live in the lower mainland for BC and you can get very fast internet for very reasonable prices 25/2.5 for $37.

Re:Our internet sucks (1)

JMJimmy (2036122) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922597)

While this report is complete crap, Canada's internet blows chunks for the most part, Bhell and Robbers did not succeed - Teksavvy is still unlimited but prices did go up for it.

The sad thing is that a reasonable connection now costs $40 at minimum. There's simply no possibility for the $10 connections found in other countries.

Re:Our internet sucks (3, Informative)

Nemyst (1383049) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922817)

Teksavvy has extremely low penetration though. Outside of the main cities, it's impossible to get service with them, and I'm not speaking of rural areas either (I'm in a new area in a 80k-large town, not small by any means, and they don't service us).

Re:Our internet sucks (1)

JMJimmy (2036122) | more than 2 years ago | (#38923375)

If you can get Bhell DSL you can get Teksavvy.

Re:Our internet sucks (3, Interesting)

DeathFromSomewhere (940915) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922735)

The big two (Bell and Rogers) just successfully lobbied to FORCE OUR OTHER COMPANIES to stop offering unlimited home internet.

No they didn't. We won that battle.

Re:Our internet sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38923069)

+5 Informative?

From a guy CLAIMING to have a Korean girlfriend... ya right! :P

Among G7 countries, perhaps, but... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38921831)

...the Nordic countries have no such thing as traffic allowances on broadband connections (in fact, they never did, not even 12 years ago when ADSL popped up), and their speeds as well as monthly fees are notably better than what Canadian ISPs offer.

So both are useless (4, Insightful)

bonch (38532) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921833)

That conclusion differs vastly from the OECD report, which ranks Canada as 26th, or seventh most-expensive among its membership. The disparity comes from different methodologies employed by the two reports.

Hey, kids, create whichever study results you want simply by changing your methodologies!

I call BS... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38921865)

As a Canadian living in California.

Cable here:
Comcast: I pull a lot of data at like 2MB/s consistently fast
Rogers: I pull like 1-1.2 MB/s & within like 10 days, I get a warning that I'm almost done with my cap.

Comcast: 49.95/mo
Rogers: 39.95 + overage charges which cap out at $20 extra (the overage charges are insane - basically guaranteed to get to $20).

Bell is an even bigger joke. I think I'm going to trust the OECD results than the results of a firm hired by Rogers.

Re:I call BS... (4, Informative)

Yaztromo (655250) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922889)

As a Canadian living in California.

Cable here: Comcast: I pull a lot of data at like 2MB/s consistently fast Rogers: I pull like 1-1.2 MB/s & within like 10 days, I get a warning that I'm almost done with my cap.

Comcast: 49.95/mo Rogers: 39.95 + overage charges which cap out at $20 extra (the overage charges are insane - basically guaranteed to get to $20).

Bell is an even bigger joke. I think I'm going to trust the OECD results than the results of a firm hired by Rogers.

Things are pretty bad in Ontario, and Bell and Rogers are completely to blame. But get outside Ontario, and things are significantly better in many places.

Here in Victoria, BC, I'm running 100/30Mb through Shaw for fairly reasonable rates (on its own it's about $85/mo, but as we're on a bundle with digital HDTV service we pay less than that -- unfortunately, they don't break it out for the sake of comparison. As I telecommute, I'm fortunate that my employer pays for it anyway), with 500GB of monthly data. They're currently upgrading our area to support 250MB connections, with 1TB of data per month.

Which is WAY better than when I lived in Toronto and was a Rogers customer, or for my family still living in the area (and still using Rogers). They're paying just a little bit less, and aren't even getting 10Mb service. Which, if anything just goes to show that what we should be taking from Roger's paid report here is that other providers outside Roger's coverage area are pulling up the average. Rogers itself still has a lot of work to do to improve their service.

Yaz.

Bandwidth caps (5, Insightful)

spacenet (2555388) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921869)

I beg to differ.

Typical entry-level plan in Canda:
http://www.videotron.com/service/internet-services/internet-access/basic-internet [videotron.com]
Cost: 29.95 CAD/month (29.97 USD/month)
Speed: 3 Mbps down, 800 Kbps up.
Cap: 5 gigabytes per month combined download+upload cap.

Best available plan in Estonia:
http://www.eq.ee/page.asp?p=45 [www.eq.ee]
Cost: 17,19 euros/month (22.60 USD/month)
Speed: From 16 to 64 Mbps down, 8 Mbps up.
Cap: None.

Re:Bandwidth caps (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922313)

So how exactly does Estonia do it?

Re:Bandwidth caps (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38922427)

Size of Estonia: 17500 square miles
Size of Canada: 3855103 square miles

When you have 200 times as much space, laying cable is expensive.

Re:Bandwidth caps (4, Informative)

jcombel (1557059) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922667)

what? no.

in any areas where population density is a problem, the cable has already been laid for decades now. any equipment upgrades that needed done were also completed many years ago.

in areas where population density is not a problem, "laying cable" is incredibly cheap work, and often subsidized.

the "expense" is that the large telecoms have lobbied their way into regional monopolies, and legally prevent competitors from supplying better products (unlimited packages).

Re:Bandwidth caps (4, Informative)

DM9290 (797337) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922763)

Size of Estonia: 17500 square miles
Size of Canada: 3855103 square miles

When you have 200 times as much space, laying cable is expensive.

It is irrelevant how many square miles exist: the question is the distance of the customer from the nearest point of presence of the ISP and how many customers are served from each POP.

the Greater Toronto Area alone, has over 3 times the population of all of estonia concentrated in an area about 1/7th the size.

When you add in the population of the immediate vicinities of the largest cities in Canada
Toronto 5.5 Million
Montreal 3.9 million
Ottawa, 1.1 million
Edmonton 1 million
Calgary 1 million
Vancouver 2.4 million
Quebec City 750 thousand

you have over 50% of the population of the entire county living in cities with large populations larger than 50% of the entire country of Estonia. And much denser than Estonia's average population density.

Re:Bandwidth caps (3, Insightful)

Nemyst (1383049) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922843)

When many of the lines were laid by the government, no.

Even when considering cable, the lines have been laid down a long time ago by now and most of the network doesn't need to be replaced when new, faster tech arrives.

The answer is much easier: few telcos, price fixing (effectively if not legally speaking).

Re:Bandwidth caps (-1)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922679)

So how exactly does Estonia do it?

By only having a land area about 5% of Ontario to worry about, and having 1/2 the population living in one city.
If all you had to manage was London, Ontario, you could do some pretty cool stuff.

No, that obviously does not cover the whole difference. But that is a factor.

Re:Bandwidth caps (1)

mikkelm (1000451) | more than 2 years ago | (#38923057)

I don't really understand this argument. Why can't you do cool stuff in London, Ontario, and elsewhere just do whatever you can feasibly do? There's no technical justification for designing a national network for the lowest common denominator.

Re:Bandwidth caps (2)

jcombel (1557059) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922629)

in louisiana, i was getting Cox's 8Mbps connection with no cap for $55 a month. i typically used about 170GB/month

in quebec, Videotron's 8Mbps connection cost $45 a month, but only had a 50GB cap. unusable.
Videotron's 60Mbps connection costs $83 a month with a 150GB cap. unreasonable price for the cap, still, and absurd speed - what kind of residence would need that? i can't find any slowdowns in anything i do with 15Mbps

i settled for videotron's 15Mbps connection: $55 a month, 90GB cap. toe the line every month and am getting sick of watching the (6-12 hours behind) meter on their website. hunted for an alternative two weeks ago, came up short considering the home phone/basic cable bundle.

getting fed up with this.

Compared to? (1)

decipher_saint (72686) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921893)

It's been said but, we're not exactly at the forefront of interweb techmonomolology unless you narrow the scope to equally um monopoly-based infrastructure.

AS a Canadian (4, Informative)

wisnoskij (1206448) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921905)

I can tell you with absolute conviction that WE DO NOT have even close to the best access or speed.
Huge swaths of the country are not able to access anything other then cell phone internet and most of the country is only able to get online using either Rogers or Bell (as they simply do not allow the little guys to use there lines outside of the big cities) and the price is huge (I pay $50 for 5GB max per month with over the limit prices that cost ~ $800 if you use 30Gigs).
Also absolutely everything is heavily throttled.
And Rogers only promised because they where threatened by the government.

Thanks for the laugh (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38921935)

Rogers pays for a study that says Rogers is one of the best providers in the world.

In other news, my wife declared that I was one the best lovers she ever had.

Re:Thanks for the laugh (4, Funny)

Nikker (749551) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922967)

In other news, my wife declared that I was one the best lovers she ever had.

She says that about you too?

Link to report? (1)

aembleton (324527) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921937)

Does anyone have a link to this report? It would be interesting to see the rankings for the UK and also their methodology.

I'd like to know how they define broadband. Is it >2Mbit/s or >10Mbit/s? What data limits are they comparing? When they compare pricing does that include phone lines if they are a mandatory pre-requisite to broadband access?

s eaking a a c nad an (5, Funny)

nimbius (983462) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921981)

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Shill study (5, Informative)

billcopc (196330) | more than 2 years ago | (#38921987)

This study was bought and paid for by Rogers. It is complete and utter bullshit!

I have good, fast, uncapped and relatively affordable cable internet access. I get it from TekSavvy, a smaller "indie" ISP that leases the last mile from the incumbents but uses their own network after that point. On cable, this gets me around Rogers' throttling and filtering. DSL users aren't so lucky as Bell's throttling happens right at the client node.

When I was still with Rogers, my monthly bill for the mid-range service tier was $130. This consisted of $64.99 for the service itself, $50 in overage charges every month, and taxes. With Tek, I'm paying $62 for faster service and no caps.

Our internet is far from the best. Bell, Rogers and Telus are classic telco robber barons. They oversell like mad, throttle and cap in such a way as to protect their old phone and TV services, and spend fortunes on advertising to fool us into believing we're not actually getting fucked. If they took half the advertising budget, and spent it on infrastructure upgrades, we'd be the envy of every other crooked G7 nation. With the low-cost, no-nonsense indies it's a lot better, but the grand majority of users are still with the big three due to misplaced loyalty and laziness.

Re:Shill study (0)

oldspicepuresport (1551767) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922247)

I investigated going with TekSavvy as they certainly had good deals on paper, but after realizing I'd have to lease a phone line at $10/month, rent a modem for $10/month, place a security deposit (???) etc... It quickly didn't seem like quite a great deal.

We ended up going with Rogers, free installation within two days, $44/month for the "express" (something like 6down/1.5up), and 250GB/month bandwidth cap (The rogers guy hooked up our cable TV for free as a move-in gift).

I'm not trying to promote Rogers here, I have had numerous horrible experiences with them, but I believe credit should be given where it is due. My experience with Rogers in Toronto has been fantastic (so far). When you say you pay $62/month for TekSavvy, what are you getting for the price? I understand that some have greater speed/bandwidth requirements than my two-person household, but for $20/month more than I'm already paying I would expect the difference to be substantial.

This isn't meant to be a troll, I would (and will) switch to Teksavvy if I can get better value for the money... As I said they were my first choice until I actually compared the total cost of each, and for my needs Rogers was by far the best deal going. YMMV.

Re:Shill study (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38922457)

He's talking about their cable service, which doesn't require leasing the dry line from the phone company. The $62 plan (in Ontario) is 24 Mb down / 1 Mb up.

I'm using Teksavvy cable in Vancouver, where Shaw provides the last mile, and outside a few outages on Shaw's side, it's been great.

this blows. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38922025)

can we tag this as bullshit?

Rogers Communications is infamous here for throttling p2p traffic, and personally took my connection down to 5kbps over all protocols while using p2p technologies.

Honestly slashdot, what happened to the editorial quality of years past?

fork anyone?

Rofl (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38922125)

I think this article is trolling us in canada, best internet rofl, we still dont even have something remotely close to fios, bell and rogers just raised their prices for third party isps, the infrastructure sucks so i got no idea what this report is talking about.

Re:Rofl (1)

realityimpaired (1668397) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922859)

We do, actually, have *exactly* fios. Just not in Ontario/Quebec (yet). And actually, even that's not entirely true, as Bell has been unrolling their FTTH networks in Quebec and Ontario for a while now... Quebec City, for example, doesn't have any copper at all any more, and most new subdivisions being built near major centres in Ontario and Quebec are FTTH, with no copper at all being sold. Bell is selling up to 150mbit connections with IPTV (not counting against that 150mbit) in some areas, and as I understand it, they're actually installing OC-48 lines. Just not everywhere. The footprint isn't very big at the moment, but it's happening.

Of course, Bell is still years behind Aliant... they've got their FibreOP service available through large parts of the maritimes.

I wonder if this Rogers study was looking at the best possible available from all providers, and saying "see? you can get 150mbit Internet from Bell, we're better than other countries!" without looking at the little asterisk that says it's only available to a few thousand people out of the country's 35 million.

Just usual FP propaganda (1)

drobety (2429764) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922147)

Heh. Financial Post is a cheerleader for the telecom industry. Try Michael Geist [michaelgeist.ca] instead to have the facts when it comes to the Canadian telecom industry, intellectual property and copyright laws in Canada. Example of one of his latest tweet:

Is 15 of 32 "among world's fastest"? RT @gregobr: Canadian Internet speeds among world’s fastest: report http://natpo.st/yARz0G [natpo.st]

Hahaha! (3, Interesting)

bunhed (208100) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922185)

Rogers and Bell are parasites of the worst order. I can't even bother to look at the report or links. I know what I get for speed, reliability and I know what my bill is. This report can only be complete bullshit in every way!

CORRECT THIS ARTICLE (5, Insightful)

sabernet (751826) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922263)

As a Canadian, let me respond as soon as I finish being angry at the editor...

Seriously, why post the results of an oligarchical industry funded story as if fact? Seriously, what the hell, editors?

Let me put how offensive and misleading this is in perspective by changing the quote a tad:

"Americans enjoy among the fastest, most widely available and least expensive broadband Internet in the developed world, says a report released Thursday. The report, based on the results of 52 million speed tests of broadband users across the G7 countries and Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) membership, was produced by NY-based consulting firm SomeGuy Associates Inc. on behalf of AT&T Communications Inc., the country's largest broadband service provider. It disputes the OECD's own report, published in July, that ranked Canada's high-speed Internet offerings significantly below those of other countries. The report comes days after the FCC revealed a sharp jump in the number of complaints it has received regarding Internet traffic-management practices, or 'throttling' in recent months."

By helping spread this FUD you are literally doing harm to us. Due diligence, do you speak it?

I've been visiting this site for a long time. I've not liked some of the things and mistakes I've seen posted here, but this is actually making me angry. Congratulations.

Re:CORRECT THIS ARTICLE (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38922725)

And to underscore how serious an offense this is:

You made a --CANADIAN-- angry. About something completely unrelated to hockey.

Shame on you Soulskill. Shame.

Re:CORRECT THIS ARTICLE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38923175)

He never said "eh" once.

Imposter!

-AC

7th best..... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38922343)

Not fucking good enough. Not by a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG shot. It is especially worse if you look at as having fallen to 7th, and will probably continue to fall.

This is some kind of self back-patting. Dis-fucking-info.

"among" the best?? (2)

jaapkroe (1001913) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922451)

I imagine this could be news of a local Canadian newspaper but Slashdot... Why?? I am from the Netherlands and live in Switzerland, both of which are "among" the best in terms of internet by some arguable measure, like Canada. The only newsworthy fact would perhaps be some nice ranked list but the article refers only to some Excel sheets, which place Canada far from number one. Better info can be found on Wikipedia.

Re:"among" the best?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38922549)

I wonder how much Rogers is paying Slashdot or one of its sister companies...

Re:"among" the best?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38922643)

I think the story here is how a report that is funded by industry gets reported in a newspaper as fact. The Financial Post newspaper is one of the lowest forms of media on the planet, right next to British tabloids, so I guess it should come as no surprise.

Re:"among" the best?? (1)

jaapkroe (1001913) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922727)

The Financial Post newspaper is one of the lowest forms of media on the planet, right next to British tabloids

That doesn't place slashdot editors very high in this case.

Re:"among" the best?? (1)

Jerry Smith (806480) | more than 2 years ago | (#38923125)

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1750410854.png [speedtest.net] Paying like 70 us-dollars a month for this (never discovered a cap) including a pretty smart tv and phone triple-play. I love Canada but this research is plain wrong.

I say B, you say S! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38922523)

I live in Toronto and pay $50 per month for internet with a 20 GB bandwidth cap and a maximum speed of 2.4 megabytes per second. I'd try to improve this situation except I'd rather spend a weekend at the dentist than experience the labyrinth of incompetence that is Bell's phone support.

If that ranks among the best internet provision in the developed world, then either the developed world now includes Antarctica or this study is garbage.

News is nonsense (3, Informative)

nierdal (928455) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922749)

Common slashdot.... this news is complete nonsense.... check real prices here :

http://www.videotron.com/service/internet-services/internet-access/high-speed-internet [videotron.com]

56$ per month for a very standard 8mpbs (without bundle) and 50gb cap. Add taxes and you're at 65$ per month

You can get way better than that in the US

Making a case for Canada (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922769)

Better government
Better healthcare
and now better internet ... yea I could handle the winters

Re:Making a case for Canada (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38923367)

-Shitty Conservative party who has the majority so they can do whatever the fuck they want, like wasting tax money buying new jets we don't need.
-Hospitals are alway full and we don't nearly have enough doctors. Expect waiting at the very least 20 hours without an appointment only to not get your own room, but left in the hallway. (if you need any medication, prepare to pay a LOT)
-The article is bullshit, Internet in Canada is Expensive and Bad. Only a few place in Canada offer more or less good Internet, like Bell-Aliant in N-B or Novus in BC.

Roger's hates it's customers (2)

kawabago (551139) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922791)

Roger's has the worst customer relations of any firm ever. Take Monopoly power, add some arrogance, take away any hint of customer service and you've got Rogers Cable.

Bullshit (2)

SilverJets (131916) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922829)

In Tokyo you can get fiber pulled right into your house.

I pay Rogers $100 CAD a month for their highest tier with a 250 gig data cap per month and "up to" 50 Mbps download speed (which I never get anywhere near...I'm lucky if I approach 8 Mbps).

A data point (1)

tom229 (1640685) | more than 2 years ago | (#38922891)

I live in Calgary Alberta and I have a 100/5 connection which I think is pretty good at least compared to some values I've heard from friends that live in the US.

To be sure... I also pay $85 a month for the privilege.

BS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38923053)

A study by canuckistan separatists says they are the best. Yes, a Country the size of the US with 3 cities and 30 million people. Somehow, just from the statistical skew of stupid, makes me think they're completely full of sh|t.

Are local speedtest results a useful benchmark? (1)

Grieviant (1598761) | more than 2 years ago | (#38923329)

We're talking about a type of traffic that isn't usually throttled, doesn't require sustained performance for more than 10 seconds, and can be artificially inflated by ISPs to deceive their customers.

To Lemay Yates, who I strongly suspect is a shill that doesn't mind quoting the most favourable statistics to give an overall misleading impression (if not outright manufacturing them with flawed experiments), I ask how Rogers specifically fares in terms of:

-Average cost per monthly quota ($ per GB)?
-Average cost per upload speed ($ per Mbps)?
-Variation in ping and u/l, d/l speed during peak hours?
-How often multi-player video games are throttled?
-Performance beyond the local servers but still within Canada?

One thing I know about Canadians.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38923559)

Is that they are the second most common visitor to http://www.earthsquotes.com and we are happy to have them using their fast internet on our quote site which is the best on the web!

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