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Philatelists Push Petition For Pluto Probe Postage

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the mi-go-mail dept.

Space 79

Hugh Pickens writes "Space.com reports that an online petition directed at the USPS and its Citizen Stamp Advisory Committee (CSAC) hopes to collect 100,000 signatures or more by March 13, the 82nd anniversary of the announcement of Pluto's discovery as the New Horizons robotic spacecraft gets closer to flyby Pluto and its moons in 2015. 'This is a chance for us all to celebrate what American space exploration can achieve though hard work, technical excellence, the spirit of scientific inquiry, and the uniquely human drive to explore,' reads the petition. Whether or not the New Horizons team is successful in getting the USPS to honor their spacecraft's mission, the probe will have delivered a stamp to Pluto. New Horizons includes nine stowaways including one of the 1991 'Not Yet Explored' Pluto stamps together with other mementos including a Florida quarter, a small container with an ounce of the ashes of Clyde Tombaugh, discoverer of Pluto, and a small segment of 2004 Ansari X Prize winner SpaceShipOne, the first privately-funded crewed spacecraft. 'Why nine mementos? I bet you can guess,' says Dr. Alan Stern, New Horizons' Principal Investigator adding why he wanted to send one of the Pluto stamps on the mission. 'Pluto may not have been explored when that stamp set came out, but we were going to conquer that,' says Stern. 'I wanted to fly it as a sort of 'in your face' thing.'"

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What a waste... (4, Funny)

Briareos (21163) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938011)

Why would anyone replace the perfectly good "pertaining" with "for" in that subject?

Re:What a waste... (3, Funny)

Ukab the Great (87152) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938057)

To avoid be showered with accusations of having a P fetish.

SATELLITES, NOT MOONS... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38938883)

Hugh Pickens,

gets closer to flyby Pluto and its moons in 2015

As Pluto isn't even considered a planet anymore, you have no excuse to call Pluto's satellites moons. They are truly just satellites.
 
And on a more pedantic note, while I'm at it, flyby is not a verb. Editors, HELLO???

MODERATORS!!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38939275)

Mod parent up!

Re:MODERATORS!!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38940219)

No

Re:SATELLITES, NOT MOONS... (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 2 years ago | (#38939867)

And on a more pedantic note, while I'm at it, flyby is not a verb. Editors, HELLO???

He's right; you can't just verb "flyby" like that.

Re:SATELLITES, NOT MOONS... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38940841)

Dwarf moon? :-)

Re:What a waste... (2)

arcsimm (1084173) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938135)

"Proposing" would be a better choice, since it avoids adding "to."

Re:What a waste... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38938327)

Philatelists Push Petition Phoar Pluto Probe Postage

Re:What a waste... (1)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938373)

What are you 12....
and on the internet?

Re:What a waste... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38938471)

He is more likely...4...

Re:What a waste... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38938975)

I think the more relevant question is : Why are you looking for 12-year-olds on the internet?

Re:What a waste... (2)

arcsimm (1084173) | more than 2 years ago | (#38939185)

Philatelists Push Petition Pfhor Pluto Probe Postage

(I'm guessing that reference will fly right over the heads of quite a few...)

Re:What a waste... (2)

nickspoon (1070240) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938525)

Philatelists Push Pro-Pluto Probe Postage Petition

Re:What a waste... (4, Funny)

Triv (181010) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938537)

Perhaps "Postage Pals Push Petition, Pushing Pluto Probe Postage" preferred, possibly?

Re:What a waste... (1)

Sez Zero (586611) | more than 2 years ago | (#38941307)

Well done, sir.

Pluto is a Planet (2)

Slashdotgirl (912338) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938055)

Please do not forget that Pluto has been and always will be a planet and yes I'm aware of the current definition.

Regards
Slashdotgirl

Re:Pluto is a Planet (5, Insightful)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938079)

Planet or planetesimal, it's just tremendously sad that

'This is a chance for us all to celebrate what American space exploration can achieve though hard work, technical excellence, the spirit of scientific inquiry and the uniquely human drive to explore ...'

The "chance" happens to be a frigging stamp.

Somehow, I had hoped for a bit more.

Re:Pluto is a Planet (2)

Seumas (6865) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938557)

Instead of a strong space program pushing our species into space to fulfill that hope-filled drive to explore, we're going to give you a stamp.

Re:Pluto is a Planet (1)

Darth Snowshoe (1434515) | more than 2 years ago | (#38941797)

The spacecraft is the example of what can be achieved by "hard work, technical excellence, the spirit of scientific inquiry and the uniquely human drive to explore ..." If it were easy, someone else would have done it, or even attempted it. The stamp is just a stamp. Get a clue.

There's a lot of 'Hurf durf, the space program is no more. Our technical edge is gone. Oh, woe!' on Slashdot, and it really ticks me off. Hey, why don't you read a bit what NASA's been up to lately, rather than griping about how 1960s America put aside the Apollo program after the space race was won?

Re:Pluto is a Planet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38938187)

No more of a planet than ceres.

Re:Pluto is a Planet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38939037)

No more of a planet than ceres.

Correct, they are both planets.

Re:Pluto is a Planet (1)

ThePeices (635180) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938541)

Always will be...

I dont think phrase that means what you think it means, as Pluto has no longer been a planet (according to our definition of 'planet') since a few years ago.

Re:Pluto is a Planet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38939133)

Earthlings are so arrogant.... won't let pluto in your exclusive club.

Re:Pluto is a Planet (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 2 years ago | (#38940387)

Once a planet, always a planet.

Re:Pluto is a Planet (1)

iggymanz (596061) | more than 2 years ago | (#38945127)

whom do you mean by "our". I don't have to follow some organisation's (IAU) definition of a planet which is disputed by plenty of reputable scientists. nor yours.

Re:Pluto is a Planet (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38939213)

What people don't realize is that in a short time, the new definition of the Solar System will contain 16 planets, not 8. Pluto will be "reinstated" by the few who incorrectly "demoted" it, actually they will be TOLD this and they will accept it or lose their funding, or be relegated to a future not in astronomy, as well as adding Eris, 2005 FY9, 2003 EL61, Sedna, Orcus, Quaoar, and Varuna. Proper names will be given to 2005 FY9 and 2003 EL61 of course. The rest of the Kuiper Belt will be designated from dwarf planet->space dust because that is what those objects are, too small to be significant by themselves.

Why because basing a planet on composition is silly. Really one atom is better than another or one particular state of matter is better than another? Because a few nearsighted individuals say so? They are basically saying, Pluto is not cool with us anymore because the methane is not in gaseous form as found on the other 8 planets and *spoken softly* it's really a mulatto planet you know, an ice/rock mixture, we can't have that in our solar system. We will of course publicly still acknowledge it in a non-provoking way, such as "dwarf planet" to keep everyone happy, but between you and me, it's not a planet, it's sub-planet.

Basing it on circular orbits or distance from the Sun is silly. By that I mean no orbit is perfectly circular, although they try to make you believe the current planets orbits are. Guess what, planets who reside on the "wrong side of the tracks"(AKA the Kuiper Belt) will no longer be treated sub-planet.

The definition of planet will be changed to be based on size(see 1st paragraph) and general periodic orbit around the Sun. It's that simple. So we have telescopes that can find more planets now. Woop. If we had those telescopes earlier, we would already have 16 planets.

You don't backtrack on what you know and what is accepted just to get your name published. Oh wait...

With apologies to Monty Python... (3, Funny)

TWX (665546) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938123)

Philatelists Push Petition For Pluto Probe Postage

Don't practice your alliteration on me!

Re:With apologies to Monty Python... (1)

Nimey (114278) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938221)

If only we had some kind of missile!

Re:With apologies to Monty Python... (2)

sjames (1099) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938241)

Let me guess, you're a lifetime member of the American Association for the Abatement of Alliteration?

Re:With apologies to Monty Python... (1)

TWX (665546) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938409)

At least I'm not a member of the AA-AAA...

An organization for drunks who drive...

Re:With apologies to Monty Python... (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938429)

Philatelists Push Petition For Pluto Probe Postage

Don't practice your alliteration on me!

Alliteration poorly practiced pursuiant to pluto pissoff preview.

Re:With apologies to Monty Python... (2)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 2 years ago | (#38939627)

But they need to practice their alliteration somewhere. Ph has an "f" sound...

Good grief... (3, Funny)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938137)

Philatelists Push Petition For Pluto...

I'm not sure what oral sex has to do with Pluto...

Re:Good grief... (1)

physburn (1095481) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938309)

Have I I've swallowed a mouse, or are you taking the Mickey. If i'd had known it was that sort of a cartoon, I wouldn't have shown it to mum or dad.

Yawn (0)

DrInequality (521068) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938139)

Slashdot story about stamps?!

Re:Yawn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38938209)

Slashdot story about stamps?!

We. Are. NERDS. I suggest you get used to it.

Re:Yawn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38941027)

Slashdot story about Pluto. Namely about Pluto possibly making it on a stamp.

Why? (4, Insightful)

uvajed_ekil (914487) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938163)

Why should New Horizons get a stamp, and why not Cassini-Huygens, the Galileo probe, the Magellan orbiter, or MESENGER? The others all completed their missions and studied real planets, while New Horizons has not arrived at the minor planet Pluto yet. Get over it, Pluto fanboys, your boring little ice ball is not a planet!!!

Re:Why? (2)

uvajed_ekil (914487) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938201)

Excuse my haste, I meant to refer to 134340 Pluto, as the dwarf planet is known, not simply Pluto.

Re:Why? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38938293)

And by this you meant Pluto, the planet. We get it.

Re:Why? (4, Funny)

dissy (172727) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938635)

You know how the new saying goes

There are eight planets, unless of course you still count Pluto in which case there are nine million planets.

Pluto is still Pluto, same as it ever was. (1)

Soralin (2437154) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938797)

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

Re:Why? (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 2 years ago | (#38939111)

Been-there-done-that syndrome

Culture (3, Interesting)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938165)

In 2015 we will be more aware that we don't have flying cars nor MrFusion than that we got near Pluto. When Doc Brown appears in his Delorean will be badly disappointed.

Re:Culture (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 2 years ago | (#38939117)

His USA Today was paper. A consolation prize will be USA Today on an iPad.

Your taxpayer dollars at work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38938171)

a small container with an ounce of the ashes of Clyde Tombaugh

As if Tombaugh cares. This is your taxpayer dollars at work serving a Stone Age vision that Tombaugh isn't dead and gone, instead he's up in the sky with a magical sky fairy looking down at Pluto and thinking "It's nice they gave me such a resting place."

There's no afterlife, so enjoy the life you got, and encourage people not to waste public money doing anything pointless with you after you die.

Re:Your taxpayer dollars at work (1, Offtopic)

Sarten-X (1102295) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938877)

My plans for death (though I have yet to find a good legal way to have them fulfilled) are to have all recyclable parts (joint replacements, etc.) removed and reused/recycled, all acceptable organs donated, and the remainder of my body being donated to research and/or education, with the exception of my head (sans eyeballs and/or whatever was donated), which will be involved in its own ritual.

I intend that a significant portion of my fortune (you know, once I have a fortune) will go to whomever can bring about the most absurd use of my head in a publicly-visible manner. I'm particularly fond of being shot from a cannon on a skyscraper into water. My head must also sit, preserved, in an easily visible location of the heir's primary residence for a year, either before or after the absurdity.

My goal in life is to become influential enough to make these plans legal. My goal in death is to make the world a weirder place.

So philately is acceptable on this website now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38938179)

You sick deviants.

UNSUBSCRIBE

Re:So philately is acceptable on this website now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38938369)

No, no. Don't go. Whatever will we do without you?

Re:So philately is acceptable on this website now? (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938437)

No, no. Don't go. Whatever will we do without you?

Mothers against Maudlin Mutterings

AAAAAA (2)

djlemma (1053860) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938213)

The American Association Against Abusively Applied Acronyms has a problem with the title of this submission.

Re:AAAAAA (2)

Sulphur (1548251) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938443)

The American Association Against Abusively Applied Acronyms has a problem with the title of this submission.

AAAAAA . . . Fat Albert is that you?

Re:AAAAAA (1)

dissy (172727) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938655)

I wonder if they answer their toll free number with "Hello, you've reach the sextuple A! How may we help you?"

I would sure love to hear the hilarious confusion that should ensue...

Re:AAAAAA (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 2 years ago | (#38939123)

Refer them to the Department of Recursion Department because they broke their own rules

Re:AAAAAA (1)

MachineShedFred (621896) | more than 2 years ago | (#38940661)

This advanced application of alliteration is almost accepted to ask for an avalanche of aspirin.

Make it 2015? (2)

darkonc (47285) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938223)

The probe will be pretty much to Pluto by then, and it will be the 85th anniversary of the {dwarf}-planet's discovery. A nice round number that people normally reserve such celebrations for.

Something to replace commemorative stamps? (3, Interesting)

DanielRavenNest (107550) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938265)

My personal use of stamps is down about 50%, as more of my bills are paid electronically. As more and more data replaces first class letters, postage stamps will soon be a relic. So what can replace them as a way to publicly commemorate an event? I recognize the Post Office will not vanish entirely, since we still need to deliver physical items sometimes, but those rarely use regular stamps.

Re:Something to replace commemorative stamps? (2)

chromas (1085949) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938359)

$75 commemorative coins.

Don't worry... (2)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938365)

Don't worry, the post office killed off the stamp collecting hobby years ago. And the US mint is threatening to do the same to (commemorative) coin collecting.

The post office kept making stamps for the silliest things and so the hobby died due to over-saturation. Perhaps we need to realize that not -everything- needs to be commemorated in coin or stamp format and keep it for the big things that happen.

Re:Don't worry... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38938387)

Like the Hungarian RIP Steve Jobs [macnn.com] stamp?

Re:Don't worry... (4, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938425)

Yes, like that, its completely ruined the market for stamp collecting because so many stamps are purely produced for collectors. The US post office has been doing it for several years, the US mint has just started doing it in the last few years by producing presidential dollars and Native American dollars no one wants but "collectors" snatch them up hoping they will be worth lots of money later (they won't be) and making worthless commemorative coins for collectors which they buy in hopes they will sell for more later on (chances are they won't). I mean, today you can't even hardly give away modern (non silver) proof sets. While older coins are rising in value and the value of junk silver/gold has gone up dramatically, there are few modern coins made at any western mint that has retained its issue price value except for a rare few which now have a higher scrap silver/gold value than issue price. This is true for the US mint, the Royal Mint, the Royal Canadian Mint, the Perth Mint and many private and European mints. About the only positive gain in modern commemorative is from China which is dangerous for a western collector to collect due to the huge amount of fakes and lack of information.

Just stop with the madness of commemorative stamps/coins.

Re:Don't worry... (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 2 years ago | (#38939919)

The market for stamp (or coin) collecting isn't ruined. All this simply means collectors will ignore the "for-the-collectors" issues and only collect normal stamps. Just because those commemorative stamps and coins have no collectors value, doesn't many ALL new coins and stamps issued have zero value.

Re:Don't worry... (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 2 years ago | (#38943829)

I don't know much about the stamp market, but I know a decent amount about the coin collecting market and normal issue coins are next to worthless and will continue to be worthless. Just look at the mintage numbers, they are all insanely high. About the only modern (1970-present) US coins that have been solid investments in the past 20-30 years have been precious metal coins (gold eagles, silver eagles, etc.) and the occasional error coin. A few years ago there was a great stir as Presidential dollars were found with no edge lettering... Except that now it is believed that a good amount of these were smuggled out of the mint by an employee... (see http://numismaster.com/ta/numis/Article.jsp?ad=article&ArticleId=23748 [numismaster.com] ). State quarters, presidential dollars, national park quarters, shield pennies, etc. will never be worth more than face value unless you have one with a major error. The mintages are too high and they lack precious metals, unless the dollar collapses they will only be worth face value. Both stamp and coin collectors have a rich history which is where most of the developments come out of when it comes to western coins/stamps. While in the 1910-1920s it was quite possible to stumble upon a real "key date" in pocket change (back then the 1916 D Mercury Dime wasn't really considered to be much of a rarity) and if you held on to it for a few years it could be worth quite a bit. However, look at the people with a 1950 D Jefferson nickel, in the 50s and 60s it was expensive! Mint state examples ran about $25 (~100 today), however, today you can walk into most coin shops and buy the same coin for $10 or $15 in today's money.

Re:Something to replace commemorative stamps? (3, Funny)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938495)

So what can replace them as a way to publicly commemorate an event?

Google's custom logos.

Re:Something to replace commemorative stamps? (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938567)

I don't think I have used a stamp since the 90s and I could get by just fine if the USPS just made a monthly visit to my house, instead of daily. All they do is bring me crap I have to pay to dispose of (and it all DOES go into the trash on my way back from the mail box).

snail mail (1)

mcswell (1102107) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938305)

Rats, my snail mail is slow enough already (three weeks for a package from NJ to MD, by way of side trips to Florida and Virginia--maybe they got a slingshot gravity boost down there?). If my mail has to go to Pluto, I'll have to get relativistic to live long enough for my snail mail to get to me.

Thread titles with so many "P"s (2)

AnalogDiehard (199128) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938367)

Keep it down with the "P"s, willya? My shirt is soaked, I had to wipe my face, and I had to disinfect my keyboard.

Re:Thread titles with so many "P"s (1)

dissy (172727) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938669)

Keep it down with the "P"s, willya? My shirt is soaked, I had to wipe my face, and I had to disinfect my keyboard.

Wow, talk about missing the rim by not keeping it down! That is some spectacularly bad aim sir!

I think it's a bad idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38938419)

..., after all, everybody knows philately will get you nowhere!

Uniquely Human? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38938439)

Is the "drive to explore" uniquely human?
I don't know.
My chickens are pretty inquisitive.

Re:Uniquely Human? (1)

Fusselwurm (1033286) | more than 2 years ago | (#38939635)

Is the "drive to explore" uniquely human?
I don't know.
My chickens are pretty inquisitive.

parent++

We humans tend to think we're very special, and we are - we are more intelligent, we are more empathic, etc... but we cannot claim that we are the only ones possessing intelligence or inquisitiveness or even homosexuality.

.... also, who cares about pluto. He lost his mojo long ago.

Philately will get you nowhere (0)

tudza (842161) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938455)

Wow, spelled that right first time.

Murphy's Stamp (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938459)

What if something goes wrong? Stamp will be egg on face.

It's spelled... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38938775)

..."fellatists".

Make a Canadian Stamp Instead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38939755)

Canada lets you make your own stamps. Didn't see anything about not being allowed to ship to the States.

http://www.canadapost.ca/cpo/mc/personal/productsservices/atoz/picturepostage.jsf

Get it for Android, Blackbery, or iPhone too.

What a waste! (1)

wfstanle (1188751) | more than 2 years ago | (#38943001)

The Post Office is losing money, do we really want to do this? I have a radical proposal. How about the Post Office printing just one stamp for each denomination. Once a stamp design is decided, NEVER change it. This printing up new stamps to satisfy stamp collectors is lunacy. If the stamp collectors want new stamps to collect why don't they hire a printing company to issue stamps just for their personal hobby. Yes, they will tell you that their hobby adds to the revenue of the Post Office. Does the money brought in actually pay for the cost of designing new stamps? You have to pay for artists to design the stamp and then have to retool the printing press to produce the stamp and then distribute and possibly advertise the new stamp.

The same is true for coin collectors.

Uniquely? (1)

Sigvatr (1207234) | more than 2 years ago | (#38945921)

"...the uniquely human drive to explore." There is absolutely nothing unique about this. A great deal of the animal life that exists spends the majority of their time doing what could be interpreted exploring. From ants foraging for food to monkeys waving their arms running around in the jungle, nearly every animal explores. It is a fundamental behavior to many forms of life. Humans are actually much less likely to explore than other animals, since we live in dwellings with monotonously repetitive lives on a planet that we have mapped in its entirety. Either the writer of this sentence either hadn't thought about this, or they were using a thesaurus to inject their dribble with more interesting words.
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