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Red Hat Appoints Robyn Bergeron First Female Fedora Project Leader

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the cultural-barriers-be-damned dept.

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darthcamaro writes "Red Hat is changing the leadership at the Fedora Project. Jared Smith is out after having been the Fedora Project Leader since June of 2010. In is Robyn Bergeron — who will be the first female leader of the open source project's history. Bergeron is well known in the community as she has most recently been the Fedora Program Manager."

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Well the obvious question is... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38954921)

Is she hot?

Re:Well the obvious question is... (-1, Troll)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955077)

Is she hot?

I've done worse, and they didn't know Linux.

Re:Well the obvious question is... (1)

Talderas (1212466) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955155)

I believe the obvious question is to ask for pictures as proof of the appointment or else you would infer that said the appointment did not, in fact, ever occur at the time in question.

Re:Well the obvious question is... (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | more than 2 years ago | (#38957773)

Is she hot?

Nope. By becoming a techie leader, she's become very cool instead. (But she could have an insulating layer somewhere and a bit of hotness, though.)

First Post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38954955)

So will she make sure that 2012 is the year of Linux on the desktop?

Re:First Post (2)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#38957377)

Definitely not, unless she kicks out the stupid Gnome devs that work for Red Hat and makes KDE the premier DE on Fedora. "Linux on the desktop" is always going to be a pipe dream as long as Linux distros keep trying to push these idiotic touchscreen-esque garbage UIs like Unity and Gnome3 on everyone. No one in their right mind would abandon Windows or MacOS for these ridiculous UIs.

s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (4, Insightful)

Tanktalus (794810) | more than 2 years ago | (#38954967)

The more we focus on the gender of the applicant rather than their skill in doing the job, the more we encourage people to treat others different based on gender. And the misogynists will continue to blame "affirmative action" for their lack of progression in their jobs. Seriously. Congrats to Robyn. I assume she's the most qualified for the job, though I have no idea who she is so shouldn't (and don't) have an opinion on the matter. But to focus on her gender rather than her skills will only focus attention away from what she accomplishes and to her gender. That doesn't do her any justice, women in general any justice, or Fedora any justice.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (2)

noh8rz2 (2538714) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955027)

I was going to make a joke about the Red Hat Society [redhatsociety.com] . But i realized i would be tearing down and marginalizing a woman for just being a woman. A agree with parent, I take on face value that she is the most qualified. I would ask all the lonely dudes on /. to consider this before interjecting thier jokes.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (4, Insightful)

laffer1 (701823) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955079)

You are completely correct. My wife is a computer programmer and she has to deal with this crap all the time. Yes, we need more women in computing but we also need people to get jobs based on their skill set. I've met a lot of female programmers that can hold their own. Gender should not matter.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (-1, Troll)

DesScorp (410532) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955277)

Gender should not matter.

That's like saying "the sun shouldn't be hot".

Look, if a woman is a great programmer, then she should be hired, I agree, strictly because she's a great programmer. But "stereotypes" exist for a reason: they have a basis in reality. There are always exceptions to the rule here and there, but men tend to be good at some things and women at others. The idea that "gender is a social construct" is as ludicrous as saying that calling up "up" is unfair, and that down deserves to be "up" too. The differences between men and women are wide and deep and visible at a very early age.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (3, Interesting)

lambent (234167) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955353)

Okay, I'll take the bait. How exactly does gender affect programming ability?

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38955447)

Okay, I'll take the bait. How exactly does gender affect programming ability?

You didn't take any bait. You are the troll here.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#38957415)

Actually, your question should be, how does gender affect managerial ability? After all, she's going to be the project leader, not just a programmer. And the answer here is that women generally make much better managers than men, so this is probably a good move. People who are excellent programmers usually tend to have very poor social skills and make terrible managers.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (1)

lambent (234167) | more than 2 years ago | (#38957563)

Excellent points.

Also, thanks for actually addressing the topic at hand.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (2)

Feyr (449684) | more than 2 years ago | (#38958253)

"And the answer here is that women generally make much better managers than men"

that's another stereotype that's patently false
i've had plenty of more than useless female manager
i've also had really bad men manager
most studies never account for actual skill level when they compare the two, or they have an agenda to propel.

of course a good "female" manager is going to be better than a bad "male" one. this has nothing to do with gender and all to do with skill, experience and individual traits

i wish all the best to robyn here though i've never heard of her. the only question that matter is "is she qualified for the job?" and the summary seem to imply that yes, she is

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955401)

What you say is true, but the point does still remain that we shouldn't treat people differently or regard one person's accomplishments as more weighty because of their gender.

I once heard a female executive answer a question at a workplace townhall from someone asking essentially "How do you carry out the mission of a woman in a position of authority in addition to your regular duties?" She deftly responded that her duty was only to do her regular duty as well as she could like anyone else, and that she didn't think of herself as a woman in a position of authority, but a person in authority who happens to be a woman.

Personally I don't see why this is news, even on slashdot.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (-1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955979)

Maybe it's the head of a new wave on Slashdot. Maybe we will soon see some headlines like "First woman to play Resident Evil 6!", "First woman to buy a 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee!", or "First woman fix a toilet at 547 Pine St, Springfield, VA!"

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (3, Insightful)

jjohnson (62583) | more than 2 years ago | (#38956293)

What you say is true

No, it's not. When female participation in law, medicine, or business was near zero, the same tired stereotype existed of women being unable to work in those fields for whatever reason--too emotional, not logical enough, whatever.

Now women exist in large and growing numbers in all three areas, as legal and social barriers to them were dropped (or, more often, shoved out of the way by women we now admire). The stereotype is viewed as a quaint bit of wrongheadedness.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#38957485)

Now women exist in large and growing numbers in all three areas, as legal and social barriers to them were dropped (or, more often, shoved out of the way by women we now admire).

However, there's also women who got into those fields that we don't admire at all, and it wasn't because they were "too emotional" or some such. For example, look at Carly Fiorina. Holy crap, what a horrible and disastrous CEO she was. Anyone who admires that woman is an idiot. Obviously, there's been plenty of horrible male CEOs too (like Bob Nardelli of Home Depot), so all this proves is that women aren't any worse than the men they've replaced, but don't admire them just because they're female either, because they can be just as evil and greedy as men. Another woman in a high-up position who should be spat on, rather than admired: Janet Napolitano, head of DHS and TSA.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (2)

vadim_t (324782) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955491)

Explain the third paragraph [wikipedia.org] , then. Photo [whyy.org] for additional evidence.

If women have something that inherently makes them less suitable for programming on average, why would somebody have them as the programmers of a military system, when the military (especially in those times) is heavily male dominated?

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (0)

crow_t_robot (528562) | more than 2 years ago | (#38956769)

Outliers are not the rule. That would be like claiming that since there is one women in the world that can run a 14min 5k that the bar should be raised for all women for competitive scoring.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (1, Insightful)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955867)

The differences are not as wide or as deep as you would think. Your example of being visible to kids at an early age is simply wrong. Kids are terrible at identifying gender. They look at the most obvious and superficial characteristics. Put a man in a dress and you can confuse kids. Get that hairy chick to stop waxing her upper lip. Heck, just have a guy grow his hair out, and a lot of kids will get confused.

Even adults have a hard time telling the difference. Find out if YOU can tell the difference as easily as you think you can. http://www2.b3ta.com/femaleorshemale/ [b3ta.com]

We also don't need more women in programming. We just need people like you to stop suggesting that we hire based on gender.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#38957637)

What's really scary is that I got 75% (12/16) on your quiz, but on the sister quiz here [b3ta.com] , where you try to identify girl and boy cats, I got 14/16 correct. I'm not even sure how I can tell the boy and girl cats apart just by looking at their faces, but apparently I can.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (1)

jjohnson (62583) | more than 2 years ago | (#38956117)

Like the stereotypes that women aren't capable of practicing law or medicine?

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (4, Insightful)

robthebloke (1308483) | more than 2 years ago | (#38956445)

But "stereotypes" exist for a reason: they have a basis in reality.

Welsh people shag sheep.
Mexicans are lazy.
French people wear garlic.
Irish people are thick

Clichés are based in reality, but stereotypes tend to be rooted in prejudice. FWIW, I used to teach C++ to fairly mixed classes (~40% female). I'm sorry to break it you, but women are just as good at men at programming. There is one big difference though. Men don't have to put up with absurd comments such as: "Oh sure. She's a very talented engineer who's probably more than capable of doing the job, but she is a women, and we all know that stereotypes are true right?". Do you not see the hypocrisy in your own post there? Women find the idea of working in the software industry extremely off putting, and it doesn't take a genius to figure out why.....

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#38957671)

Irish people are thick

Definitely a wrong stereotype. All the Irish people I've met are quite thin. It's us Americans that are thick.

Women find the idea of working in the software industry extremely off putting, and it doesn't take a genius to figure out why.....

Maybe it's because of the age discrimination, the fact that you can't get a job once you're over 40, the long working hours, the salary compression, the unrealistic schedules, having to deal with all kinds of crap code, etc.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38955837)

Why do we need more women in computing? Perhaps you mean we need more talented people?

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (0)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 2 years ago | (#38957153)

To qualify for a lot of federal contracts, I'm pretty sure you need to have a certain percentage of minority and female workers, respectively. Even if you don't though, they try to get minority or female hires (even if they're not the most qualified candidate) for good PR.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (4, Insightful)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955171)

you are completely wrong. IT is 97% male. Famous Open Source project leadership is 99.9% male. It IS news, what other distro has woman leading? Answer me that question first, anyone who replies to me.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (1)

Golddess (1361003) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955489)

Sorry, but you've not managed to explain why it is news.

"Person gets job based on qualifications" is not news.

"Company hires applicant based on qualifications" might be news, if said company used to put qualifications second to gender/race/religion/etc.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955613)

you are wrong because our society hasn't evolved to that point yet. there are hardly any women in open source leadership at all (a bad thing). it IS news, she may be the first female leader of a linux distro (has that happened to BSD yet)? very very newsworthy. very very surprising. unheard of. unprecedented.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955651)

in fact, you seem oblivious to fact that in over half of planet earth, women are subjected, unliberated, partially or wholly enslaved, abused. Take the middle eastern cultures, latin ones, east asian ones together, the woman's lot largely sucks in those.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (1)

Golddess (1361003) | more than 2 years ago | (#38956697)

in fact, you seem oblivious to fact that in over half of planet earth, women are subjected, unliberated, partially or wholly enslaved, abused.

"Company hires applicant based on qualifications" might be news, if said company used to put qualifications second to gender/race/religion/etc.

s/company/country/i

So no, I'm not oblivious as you seem to think I am. I know full well there are places on earth where women are treated like crap. One of those places suddenly treating women with respect would be news. However, I am unaware that Red Hat was one of those places that treat women like crap.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38956711)

Take the middle eastern cultures, latin ones, east asian ones together

You racist piece of shit. Who the fuck are you to judge the values of another culture you arrogant prick? FOAD

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#38957703)

...in over half of planet earth, women are subjected, unliberated, partially or wholly enslaved, abused. Take the middle eastern cultures, latin ones, east asian ones together, the woman's lot largely sucks in those.

Watch out, some liberals are going to call you a "RACIST!" for saying anything negative about those cultures, and that those cultures are better than western cultures.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38955957)

I could give a fuck what's between your legs.

I want the best person for the job.

Since you jerkwads are making such a big deal about this, maybe we shouldn't take it at face value that she's the best person for the job and start asking if its just a publicity stunt?

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (1)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 2 years ago | (#38956237)

Why is it bad that there are few women in leadership positions in open source?

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#38956381)

because it is yet another symptom of a terrible, ancient problem in this world of how women are treated

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (0)

ed1park (100777) | more than 2 years ago | (#38956279)

Good point. Now if she is hot, has a sextape/nudie pics/reality tv show, then it would most definitely be news!

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (1)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 2 years ago | (#38957423)

"Company hires applicant based on qualifications" might be news, if said company used to put qualifications second to gender/race/religion/etc.

To be fair, she didn't meet the "Cheeto-stained neckbeard" job requirement to be the head of a Linux distro, but they hired her anyway.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38956377)

Canonical, the company behind Ubuntu, has a female CEO. So, to answer your question, the leader of the most widely used distro in the world is a woman.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#38956447)

the CEO is not leader of the distro. Mark is still the project sponsor and proclaimed SADFL

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (3, Informative)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 2 years ago | (#38956853)

It was rarely noted at the time, but Anne Nicolas was the head engineer (her job title changed a few times, but she was always in overall charge of all the engineers actually working on the distribution and hence arguably 'in charge' of the distro itself) at Mandriva for quite a while.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (4, Insightful)

Bogtha (906264) | more than 2 years ago | (#38957741)

Famous Open Source project leadership is 99.9% male. It IS news, what other distro has woman leading?

Albinos are even rarer project leaders than women. If an albino happened to become project leader of a "famous" open source project, would you expect to see similar "Holy shit, an albino!" news stories with prominent mention of it in headlines? I don't think that would happen. Certainly in the comments, but not in the headline. This isn't just about how rare female project leaders are.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38955585)

Since her surname is Bergeron, and not something like Chen, or Seo, or Yamaguchi, Affirmative Action is a pretty safe bet.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (1)

Jawnn (445279) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955707)

Agreed. If Robyn wants to crow about that distinction, more power to her, but the rest of us probably shouldn't care which bathroom a project leader uses.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38955835)

"Red Hat Appoints Robyn Bergeron Robyn Bergeron as Fedora Project Leader"?

I can't believe nobody has pointed this out this yet.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (1)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | more than 2 years ago | (#38956163)

Agreed.

Another thing is the separatoin of the sexes for awards. Now, in the Olympics, this makes perfect sense. Men grow bigger and stronger, so the spirit of competition demands that runners and swimmers compete within their sex. Now, what about the Oscars? Why do they have a category for Best Female Lead and Best Male Lead? Men are not naturally better or worse than women at acting. There should just be Best Actor.

Same with project management. Honestly, why should I care if it's a female? Is Red Hat's organization so sexist that her appointment is a marvelous accomplishment? I assume it isn't.

--d

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#38957769)

Men grow bigger and stronger, so the spirit of competition demands that runners and swimmers compete within their sex.

Yes, because the men could very well lose to the women in running or cycling, due to their excessive upper-body mass that contributes nothing to locomotion. Men are only 'bigger and stronger" when you look at the upper body; women frequently have longer legs proportionately than men.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (1)

Beeftopia (1846720) | more than 2 years ago | (#38956205)

No relation of course, genetically or content-wise, to Harrison Bergeron [wikipedia.org] .

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (1)

rilian4 (591569) | more than 2 years ago | (#38956485)

Hear Hear! Well said. I say the same about race as well. The more it is focused on, the more it will remain a problem. Stop taking race into consideration in any way. If you continue to give consideration(positive or negative) to someone based on their race (any race), you are promoting racism by definition.

It's much the same with gender with the exception that a few jobs requiring physical strength (fire-fighter for example) are more difficult for the average female to perform (such as having to lift an unconscious person as dead-weight and carry them out of a burning building. Most women just don't have the strength to do it. If they show they have the strength, then more power to them).

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#38957815)

Yep, that's why it should be based on physical requirements, rather than the presence or absence of certain sex organs. If a woman can lift an unconscious person and pass the physical requirement, she should be allowed to apply for the job. Most women don't have the necessary upper-body strength. But that doesn't mean they all don't.

Re:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/ (1)

Eevee (535658) | more than 2 years ago | (#38956621)

Lets try it.

:i

Red Hat Appoints Robyn Bergeron First Female Fedora Project Leader<esc>

:s/First Female/Robyn Bergeron as/

Hmm, I get:

Red Hat Appoints Robyn Bergeron Robyn Bergeron as Fedora Project Leader

Perhaps you should try

:s/First Female/as/

Why is gender important? (5, Insightful)

crath (80215) | more than 2 years ago | (#38954971)

And what is the point of putting her gender in the headline? Are women generally less capable than men and so it's a miracle that she made it to project leader? I don't believe that is the case; so, why emphasise her gender? This is a non-story and shouldn't have made it to the front page of /.

Slow news day? (3, Insightful)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955053)

Agreed, I work in IT and have had several top level managers who are female. It's the 21stC and should be no surprise that a woman should have risen through the ranks of Red Hat.

Re:Slow news day? (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#38957839)

I think what's news is not that it's a female in IT, but that it's a female in an open-source project. The male:female ratio in OS projects is even worse than IT in general, and women are even more rare there than in other software fields.

Re:Why is gender important? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38955119)

Are women generally less capable than men.

No, but they are outnumbered 50:1 by men, so yeah, having a girl as a project leader *is* kinda big news.

Re:Why is gender important? (3, Insightful)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955999)

About as big of news as having a red head as a project leader.

So, What Is SlashDot Trying To Say... (2)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955159)

...that the Open Source industry is finally on the verge of catching up with the rest of the tech and software industry in matters of gender equality?

The whole headline is a perfect example of back-handed praise. It's got to be Editor-Trolling because even Timothy can't be that naive.

Re:Why is gender important? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38955233)

Are women generally less capable than men and so it's a miracle that she made it to project leader?

Yes.

It is not politically acceptable to say, but the facts are that studies have show that women do not over all perform as well as men in "high tech" fields.

Re:Why is gender important? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38955663)

Citation needed.

Re:Why is gender important? (1)

sohmc (595388) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955253)

It's important only so far as that the public should know that she's the first woman to do (fill in the blank).

Just like Barack Obama was the first black man to (fill in the blank).

It's PR. They have to make things interesting.

Re:Why is gender important? (2)

synapse7 (1075571) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955265)

and besides, the glass ceiling is only 3 atoms thick now. [slashdot.org]

Re:Why is gender important? (3, Insightful)

Presto Vivace (882157) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955539)

Because it is news when a women breaks the gender barrier in IT. Just read this thread, or any thread on Slashdot, the hostility to women and belittling our achievements is an very ugly part of technology culture. Something wonderful just happened. Let's celebrate it.

Re:Why is gender important? (1)

jjohnson (62583) | more than 2 years ago | (#38956367)

Hear hear.

Re:Why is gender important? (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955789)

Well, it's a non-story in the sense of turning it into a discussion of gender in IT, when we should be doing is celebrating the fact that Robyn really knows her stuff (at least, based on a few interactions I had with her at a FUDCon a while back) and got a good and well-deserved promotion.

Re:Why is gender important? (1)

jjohnson (62583) | more than 2 years ago | (#38956337)

Her gender is important because technology is one of the last areas where sexism is respectable and defended. In business, law, and medicine, the same tired stereotypes used to be operative, and are no longer because women like Robyn Bergeron stuck it out.

Her gender is news because it's a sign of progress.

Re:Why is gender important? (1)

crow_t_robot (528562) | more than 2 years ago | (#38956723)

Are women generally less capable than men

Yes. Look at the physical fitness standards and scoring for the military if you don't believe so.

Re:Why is gender important? (1)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 2 years ago | (#38956917)

Fortunately, being FPL doesn't involve a whole lot of 30 mile forced marches with heavy backpacks.

Re:Why is gender important? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38957597)

If we're sticking with sterotypes here (nerd posting on a nerd site) I can assume that you are a less capable human being since you most likely don't meet physical fitness standards?

Re:Why is gender important? (1)

garrettg84 (1826802) | more than 2 years ago | (#38957183)

Why is gender only important for high paying and high performance work? Why aren't we crying and complaining about the number of male maids or female garbagemen (even the title shows the gap)? There may be gender gaps based on preference. Nobody ever mentions this. Why do we NEED more women engineers, construction workers, or tech workers? Maybe the women DON'T WANT THOSE JOBS. Stop trying to equalize something that has already found it's equilibrium.

I'm Glad That's Out of the Way (5, Insightful)

walkerp1 (523460) | more than 2 years ago | (#38954985)

So next time we don't have to wonder about the motivation of the first X to do Y when Y has no performance correlation to X.

Re:I'm Glad That's Out of the Way (1)

bieber (998013) | more than 2 years ago | (#38957405)

Right, because it's not like abhorrent attitudes towards X in the Y community have had anything to do with the colossal under-representation of X in Y, and seeing Xs begin to break through those barriers is a big deal or anything. Today I learned just how thoroughly ignorant the average Slashdotter is of his male privilege...

Re:I'm Glad That's Out of the Way (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38957691)

And a Project Lead position in an open source project is like the pinnacle of female accomplishment in a male world? Women have been CEOs of the largest tech companies (Lucent, HP, IBM, Yahoo etc), that was significant this is not.
I seriously hope your last name actually is Bieber and you are not using your handle as a tribute to that silly kid singer.

New logo (1, Troll)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 2 years ago | (#38954987)

I think the red fedora is about to become a pink glittery one :P

Re:New logo (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38955073)

She's a woman, not a Brony.

Re:New logo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38957281)

These aren't mutually exclusive. The Brony label has nothing to do with gender.

And a ton of other jobs (2)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955039)

Bergeron is well known in the community as she has most recently been the Fedora Program Manager

And a ton of other simultaneous jobs listed at:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rbergero [fedoraproject.org]

From the outside, I've never heard anything bad about her. So, good luck!

A little bit of info (1)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955813)

They also host a small interview [fedoraproject.org] about her.

In the name of science (2)

SpaghettiPattern (609814) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955063)

In the name of science! Let us capture this specimen, lock it up in a laboratory and conduct experiments on it!

Is it big news that the first female is appointed to any function at all? Emancipation has come a great way and nowadays female lead is business as usual. Admittedly there are a less females in IT but that's more to do with it being less appealing to women. Not because the male majority keeps them from career opportunities. There are enough examples of women doing more than fine. In fact, using this tone is rather patronizing and I wonder whether Ms. Bergeron really appreciates the attention on the sole base that she's a lady, doing lady's things.

Why does this matter? (1)

sdhankin (213671) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955121)

I've worked with many wonderful managers, male and female. I've also worked with a few awful managers, male and female.

Hmmm - actually most of the bad managers were male. But let's move on - nothing to see here.

Robyn Bergeron? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38955123)

I heard she is very important. She has many leather-bound books and her apartment smells of rich mahogany.

Meehh... (1)

Ecuador (740021) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955243)

Call me when a woman goes into space...

Oh, wait...

The title takes women's rights back several decades.
Oh, yeah, its a big post, uncommon for the likes of the womenfolk ehh? Oh, that's not all, it is also *techy* eehh? Right, because we know how it goes with women and technology - har har!. What? Linux is involved? I' d never...! Wow, Congrats slashdot.

And this post would not be complete without some lame predictions of future /. articles - shall we?
-Fellulah Davidovic, first woman to load a file onto emacs!
-Regina Filange, first woman to live in her mom's basement well into her thirties!

Re:Meehh... (1)

bieber (998013) | more than 2 years ago | (#38957447)

You're completely missing the point. No one (at least no one with half a brain) believes that women are under-represented in technology because they're somehow inferior at it. They're under-represented because it's a subculture loaded with misogyny and sexism. Seeing women begin to break through those barriers and attain high ranking positions in what has traditionally been a boys only club is kind of a big deal. I'm sure this is a significant personal achievement for Robyn, but it's also a great achievement for the entire industry in moving towards a more gender-equal culture.

Info and picture from Fedora (2)

Dareth (47614) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955317)

http://fedoraproject.org/en/using/life/robynbergeron.html

Recovering sysadmin indeed.

Did Jared lose the job to Robyn in a poker game? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38955319)

I suspect that Jared lost to job Robyn in a late night poker game at the recent FUDCON in Backsburg VA.

In other news, Lennies's Cab (1)

drwho (4190) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955389)

...has just hired its first left-handed Lithuanian. Get over the gender and racial/ethnic background issues! They're not important! You're just going to get Robyn labeled as the 'token female'. It's disgusting!

Will she stop the travesty/debacle Gnome 3? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38955435)

All I want to know is her position on Gnome 3. Is she going to be the one who stops it?

A recipe for disaster (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38955633)

Putting a woman in charge will destroy Fedora, putting "The year of Linux on the desktop" back at least a decade.

Useless discussion (2)

kiwimate (458274) | more than 2 years ago | (#38955669)

1. I'd imagine that the news that a major distribution has a new project leader is what people should be discussing.
2. Yes, it is shameful that Slashdot felt they should emphasize this in the headline.
3. But, to be fair, it is mentioned in the linked article...

She will be the first (what took them so long?) female leader of Fedora

4. ...which isn't any better. ("What took them so long?" Maybe because they had a habit of picking whoever was best for the job regardless of other characteristics?)
5. Futile discussion. Everyone is now focused on the sexism. Way to go, Slashdot editors. And Slashdot readers. And whoever wrote that quote in the linked article.

Err what? (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#38956217)

First woman in charge of Red Hat and her name isn't Carmen?

Video games lied to me again.

I'm outraged! (1)

Baldrson (78598) | more than 2 years ago | (#38956383)

The NERVE of these misogynists to claim a mere XX female is a significant step toward true diversity!

Wake me up when there's a pentasomy X WOMAN [wikipedia.org] in charge of the Fedora project.

zzzzzzzz.....

Re:I'm outraged! (3, Funny)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 2 years ago | (#38956787)

Wake me up when there's a pentasomy X WOMAN [wikipedia.org] in charge of the Fedora project.

XXXXX syndrome causes mental, growth, and motor retardation.

Sorry, the Windows Vista team beat us on this one.

Does that mean Beefy Miracle will be a "she"? (1)

leftie (667677) | more than 2 years ago | (#38957101)

That could a little bit creepy.

Pics or it didn't happen! (1)

headqtrs (467875) | more than 2 years ago | (#38957211)

Oh wait, that's something else....

Waiting for the day... (1)

sensei moreh (868829) | more than 2 years ago | (#38957347)

I'm just waiting for the day when a person's gender/ethnicity/religion/you-name-it... is no longer news. As a Fedora user, I really give a damn if the project leader is male, female, black, white, gay, straight, Mormon, Scientologist, or whatever. I just want to know that he or she is competent.

The sounds of the shattering glass ceiling! (1)

Theovon (109752) | more than 2 years ago | (#38957927)

A few people have pointed out that we should not emphasize Ms. Bergeron's gender. In an ideal world, this would be true. But in THIS world, it's a big deal, simply because women in high IT positions are so rare. Having worked with some very talented female engineers, I can say that as skilled engineers, they brought more to the work environment than just engineering. Women are not inferior, but there are differences, some biological, some sociological, and those differences have huge benefits when it comes to working in a creative environment. Since they don't think exactly like men, they solve problems differently, and this means we as teams can solve more problems more effectively. So I say congratulations to the Fedora Project for bringing greater practical diversity to their team.

Many of our scientific advances came from Arabs. Then Islam came along, and they fell behind. This is not just because they subjugated half their workforce but also because they suppressed half their variety in ways of thinking.

Women also wear better looking clothes, smell nicer, and have a penchant for adding things to the physical environment that make the workplace more pleasant. How can you beat that?

(Yes, I will favor a good-smelling slightly less talented applicant over one who is very skilled but smells like ass. Tough shit for those of you with bad diets and poor hygiene habits who can't manage to take an interview seriously enough to BATHE before they show up. People have to work next to you.)

Cool, now we are all waiting for... (2)

DerCed (155038) | more than 2 years ago | (#38958089)

Cool, now we are all waiting for the first Black Female Linux Team Leader?

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