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Apple Could Lose $1.6 Billion In iPad Lawsuit

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the or-could-stall-in-court-indefinitely dept.

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redletterdave writes "Proview Technology, which currently uses the 'iPad' name on several of its products including computer monitors, stands to win up to $1.6 billion and an apology from Apple for allegedly infringing upon Proview's trademarked name to use on its bestselling tablet. Proview International, which owns subsidiaries Proview Technology in Shenzhen and Proview Electronics in Taiwan, originally registered the name 'iPad' in Taiwan in 2000 and mainland China in 2001. Proview eventually sued Apple in 2011, and even though the Cupertino-based company retaliated with a counter-suit of its own, Apple lost the case in local Chinese courts. Depending on the court's findings, Apple could be fined anywhere from $38 million to the $1.6 billion that Proview is seeking. In addition to the money, Proview also wants Apple to apologize. 'We have prepared well for a long-term legal battle,' said one of Proview's lawyers."

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What about MaxiPad? (1, Funny)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959329)

Couldn't they sue as well?

Re:What about MaxiPad? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38959377)

... and they'd have a better case as they're not just, arm, squatting on the name.

Re:What about MaxiPad? (2)

crutchy (1949900) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959553)

shh.. you'll offend the entire corporate world, whose livelihoods depend on trademarks, patents, copyright, etc. (as well as violation of all of these)

what, did you think that companies actually made money out of innovation nowadays?

Re:What about MaxiPad? (4, Funny)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959779)

Not till Apple introduces the new 21 inch Max-iPad.

And Apple's Worried? (5, Interesting)

eagle1361 (2557464) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959347)

Not that $1.6 billion would hurt them much, but all they'd have to do is threaten to stop selling the iPad in China. At that point, the government will just make Proview go away.

Re:And Apple's Worried? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38959361)

To Apple, lawsuits like this are just part of the cost of doing business.

Re:And Apple's Worried? (4, Insightful)

Defenestrar (1773808) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959841)

No, this is the cost of doing business poorly. A trademark search needs to be international in scope if you plan on making an international product. On top of damages Apple should be prohibited from further infringement (rename the product in countries with a previously registered trademark). There was a similar debacle (within the US registry if I remember) over the iPhone. I think it was settled, but the infringing product (Apple's iPhone) should have been pulled off the shelves, relabeled, and future infringement explicitly prohibited. It seems that Apple only cares about IP when they can use it to keep others out of their business - the evidence here is that they don't even bother looking to see if they infringe in a direction they want to go.

Re:And Apple's Worried? (5, Interesting)

Whatanut (203397) | more than 2 years ago | (#38960039)

Actually, I would assume they did do a trademark search. They found that this company owned the trademark and bought it from them. However, this company claims that they didn't sell the trademarks for China and Taiwan. Just everywhere else.

Fine print...

Re:And Apple's Worried? (1)

SomePgmr (2021234) | more than 2 years ago | (#38960087)

Yeah with a Cisco product called iphone, I think.

I get the feeling Apple does whatever they like best and counts on the legal team to sort out the issues later.

Re:And Apple's Worried? (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959369)

Hey that's a lot of money. Just $97 billion to go :P

Re:And Apple's Worried? (2)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959407)

Selling? They would lose money doing that. Now, they can threaten to stop building them in China. That's a threat.

But let’s be honest: this was an Apple fuckup. They have the resources to search these names in all nations and trademark them in time, if taken anywhere; they can just use a different name in the country or pick a name that has not been used.

That being told, perhaps it would be cheaper for Apple to buy out this company than to pay up 1.6 billion.

Re:And Apple's Worried? (3, Informative)

jythie (914043) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959467)

They did search. And paid the company for use of the name. The Chinese company seems to be trying to double dip.

Re:And Apple's Worried? (1)

cyfer2000 (548592) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959583)

One hint, Proview International got big money trouble recently.

Re:And Apple's Worried? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38959691)

They did search. And paid the company for use of the name. The Chinese company seems to be trying to double dip.

Nonsense. Apple only paid for the use of the trademark within Taiwan. They didn't negotiate for its use in the rest of the world.

ROC vrs PRC (5, Interesting)

ZombieBraintrust (1685608) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959825)

There are two companies. They paid for use of the trademark from one based out of Tiawan. The Chinese arm of the company is filing the lawsuit. Not sure witch is the parent company. I would assume the Tiawan based one since that is who Apple paid. China does not reconize Tiawan as a seperate country. So there may be some politics involved in this dispute.

Re:ROC vrs PRC (5, Informative)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 2 years ago | (#38960219)

The Chinese arm of the company is filing the lawsuit. Not sure witch is the parent company. I would assume the Tiawan based one since that is who Apple paid.

Both companies are subsidiaries of a larger parent company.

Proview International, which owns subsidiaries Proview Technology in Shenzhen and Proview Electronics in Taiwan, originally registered the name 'iPad' in Taiwan in 2000 and mainland China in 2001.

Apple bought the trademark from Proview Electronics, and they are now being sued by Proview Technology. Both companies are owned by Proview International, which is based in Hong Kong.

Re:And Apple's Worried? (2)

cyfer2000 (548592) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959547)

Proview International is a Hongkong company, if apple threatens to stop building them in China, it won't hurt Proview International much but it will hurt apple a lot.

Re:And Apple's Worried? (1)

crutchy (1949900) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959585)

Now, they can threaten to stop building them in China. That's a threat.

yeah, cos that would reduce the competition for the local chinese ripoffs

Re:And Apple's Worried? (3, Interesting)

mosb1000 (710161) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959589)

They are in bankruptcy right now. They're betting on this to save them. Bail them out essentially. Apple already bought the trademark from them (under another name), so I'm not even sure how they could have possibly lost this lawsuit.

Re:And Apple's Worried? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38959683)

Corrupt chinese courts, obviously.

Re:And Apple's Worried? (1)

raedeon (1246638) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959737)

Remember the iPhone too? Apple has a track record for coming out with products using other company's names (Cisco Iphone)

Re:And Apple's Worried? (5, Insightful)

sideslash (1865434) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959413)

I don't think directly or indirectly threatening the Chinese government is in Apple's best interests. All the government would have to do is threaten to shut down Apple's Chinese manufacturing facilities and they'd be back to square one. Given how defensive Apple is about their own trademarks, I do find the whole spectacle amusing now that they've been caught in hypocrisy on that count. With that said, I'm sure they'll work out a backroom deal of some kind, everybody will save face in some way, and life will go on.

Re:And Apple's Worried? (-1, Flamebait)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959717)

What hypocrisy? They already bought the trademark before the iPad was released back in 2009. This is a bogus lawsuit but the Slashtards well revel in it because it's against Apple.

Re:And Apple's Worried? (2, Informative)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959729)

There's no hypocrisy. Apple bought the iPad trademark from a Proview subsidiary. I don't know Chinese law, but it's difficult to see how Proview can now sue for it's misuse.

Prediction: Apple will win at appeal.

Re:And Apple's Worried? (2)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959785)

Was the subsidiary the owner of the trademark?

Re:And Apple's Worried? (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#38960235)

Morally a parent company ought to be responsible for the actions of it's subsidiaries. Whether Chinese law follows morality in that regard I wouldn't know.

Re:And Apple's Worried? (3, Informative)

Americano (920576) | more than 2 years ago | (#38960159)

Here's [electronista.com] more.

At the core of the dispute is a 2006 agreement in which Apple bought the iPad trademark from Taiwan's Proview Electronics for $55,000, by way of a front business known as IP Application Development. Proview says, though, that Apple didn't win the rights to the Chinese trademark, since those were owned by Proview Technology in Shenzhen, a subsidiary of the Hong Kong-based Proview International.

So it sounds like Apple perhaps fucked up and they didn't secure the rights in China like they thought they were, or the Taiwanese company deliberately misled them, waiting until they were in financial trouble to cash in this particular chip, and say "Surprise, you didn't buy the rights in China like you thought."

Whichever it is, I suspect it'd be easier and cheaper for Apple to simply buy the company and shutter it than it would be to pay 1.6 billion dollars and lose the right to use the name. Realistically, I think you can expect the companies to settle with Apple being granted the rights to the name, and Proview getting a nice chunk of cash for it.

Re:And Apple's Worried? (1, Insightful)

santax (1541065) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959483)

Lol... apple would (and does) lick many a heel just to be able to get those slaves there... Apple wants cheap slaves. China provides them. Apple will have to comply. And not don't forget, the Chinese market is a bit bigger than US and EU combined. China doesn't give a fuck about apple. Sure, it's nice for them they are there, but seriously apple doesn't make a different for China. China however, makes all the difference for apple. Yeps, apple is screwed and rightfully so. Apple hates copyright infringment, so they will understand this court order more than anyone.

Re:And Apple's Worried? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38959493)

China has the whip hand here. If push came to shove, China could just shut down the iPad factories and even nationalize it. (Remember -- all businesses in China are essentially owned by the government, and any foreign interests have to have a local Chinese part own 51% of anything.)

I'm pretty sure Apple will pony up the 1.6 billion. They know that China can lop them off at the knees at any time.

Of course, if China was wanting to play hardball, they would arrest all Apple employees on their soil for some vague charges like "attempting to foment revolt", shut down all Foxconn factories, and demand any/all trade secrets for national security's sake.

Apple is powerful, but they would be eaten if they tangled with the tiger.

Re:And Apple's Worried? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38959803)

Oh, c'mon. Did you even think through what you just wrote? The implications to the Chinese economy from such an action could lead to massive demonstrations and riots amongst the new Chinese middle-class. All those corporations that have invested in China would be very nervous about investing any more dollars or euros.

Re:And Apple's Worried? (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959839)

You realize these factories make more than iPads, right? And if China starts making itself unfriendly to a major foreign manufacturer (Apple is a BIG FUCKING COMPANY these days), they risk what amounts to the fuel of their economic engine.

My bet is that the whole thing will be squashed in very short order. The Chinese government knows what side the bread is buttered on.

Re:And Apple's Worried? (1)

Americano (920576) | more than 2 years ago | (#38960189)

I'm pretty sure Apple will pony up the 1.6 billion

I'm pretty sure they won't pay anywhere near 1.6 billion. They'll probably settle for a sizable amount with no admission of wrongdoing and get use of the name, all for a fraction of the 1.6 billion that Proview is claiming they're owed.

Re:And Apple's Worried? (1)

raedeon (1246638) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959709)

No, that's not how things work in China. Apple wouldn't pull out of China either as China is one of the biggest markets for them.

Re:And Apple's Worried? (3, Insightful)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959789)

I don't think you quite know how the Chinese work. This is a country which turns a blind eye to entire corporations being cloned including multi story buildings and factories being made for phantom companies. Companies such as NEC existed in China for years unnoticed until NEC in America started getting warranty calls for DVD players, a product it doesn't make but none the less had its logo on it.

If Apple pulled out of China ... nothing changes. iPads would still be available on the grey market just like every other product. Now if Apple pulled PRODUCTION out of China that may be a different story entirely, but the reality is they don't have anywhere else to go, and this is not a decision a company can make on the short term.

Corporations lobby and threaten, that's about the extent of power over governments. In the west this lobbying works worryingly well.

Re:And Apple's Worried? (1)

g0bshiTe (596213) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959809)

It's China most likely the iPads sold there are counterfeit to begin with.

Re:And Apple's Worried? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38959861)

they wont give up china's market,,,,hahahha they are a little over a billion souls out there, a wee bit heavier than the US market or THE AMERICAS all together

Re:And Apple's Worried? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38960067)

Oh noes, the people of China would be devastated if they couldn't get iPads. if only China had factories that could make them and all the blueprints.

Re:And Apple's Worried? (1)

stanlyb (1839382) | more than 2 years ago | (#38960105)

Not going to work simply because iPad is manufactured in China.

Re:And Apple's Worried? (1)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 2 years ago | (#38960181)

Not that $1.6 billion would hurt them much, but all they'd have to do is threaten to stop making the iPad in China. At that point, the government will just make Proview go away.

FTFY.

The loss of jobs would be immense. If Apple stopped selling the iPad legitimately, it's not as if Chinese people wouldn't be able to get a bootleg version of it. Hell, China has made a knockoff Apple Store! [wsj.com]

Name.... (-1, Redundant)

rew (6140) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959351)

His name must be Tristan Schaap. Not Schapp.

He used to work for me, but Apple made him an offer he couldn't refuse. When he left, he said he was going to work in security. Apparently they found something else for him to do :-).

Re:Name.... (1)

rew (6140) | more than 2 years ago | (#38960069)

Apparently by logging in I ended up on a different Apple story. Sorry. :-(

Good (1, Insightful)

dave562 (969951) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959355)

The title says it all.

Let Apple taste some of their medicine. They consider themselves to be so smart, and such savvy marketers. Yet they failed to do a few simple searches to make sure that they were not co-opting someone else's name? Or perhaps they did, and decided that it did not matter? If the latter, they double plus good on them getting sued.

Re:Good (0)

dave562 (969951) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959373)

then* double plus good...

Need more food, less /.

Re:Good (2)

Rary (566291) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959417)

Or perhaps they did, and decided that it did not matter?

I think that's more likely. If Steve wants to use a name, he'll use it, and leave it to the lawyers sort out the mess later. It's not the first time, and won't be the last.

Re:Good (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38959471)

I can assure you, it will be the last for him.

Re:Good (5, Informative)

jythie (914043) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959439)

Actually, if you read the piece, they bought the name off the company before they started marketing the iPad, but now the company is coming back and claiming that Apple only purchased the name for use outside China. So either they did a real dumb, or this company is trying to use local corruption to shake money out of a foreign company that they backstabed and are trying to double dip on the deal.

Re:Good (0)

squidflakes (905524) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959661)

A ding ding ding ding ding ding ding!

Of course a Chinese court found Apple to be in violation. Do you know how much justice $1.6 billion USD buys in China?

Re:Good (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959905)

No, not ding ding ding, you ding-a-ling.

The bought it from Fujitsu, nor Proview; which has registered the trademark in several countries.

And it is not unheard of for business to get IP agreements from Chinese companies under the Agreement they won't use it in China.

I don't know because I don't have a copy of the contract; i'm just saying it ma not be as unreasonable as we think.

Re:Good (1)

jpwilliams (2430348) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959479)

Of course they knew the name was taken, but since iPad was such a logical name for the device, they probably decided the likely lawsuit and resulting fines are acceptable as the cost of doing business. And it should be. The iPad (Apple's version) has already made a ton of money, and the franchise will make a ton more.

Personally, I think it's silly Proview can collect such a large amount of money simply for using the name first. Then again, Apple tried to reserve "appstore" ... karma anyone?

People get upset when companies sue each other, but it's par for the course for tech companies. Reading the news would make you think all these lawsuits are a new trend, but it's been going on for a long time (at least since the 80s on). What get's frustrating is when laws limit the ability for companies to create new products.

Re:Good (1)

cyfer2000 (548592) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959521)

It's just like Apple Corps v Apple Computer.

Re:Good (0)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959609)

Of course they knew the name was taken, but since iPad was such a logical name for the device...

I would think that iTab would have been a better name. Sure, it reminds me an old, nasty, diet soda, but that's better than what iPad makes me think of.

Re:Good (1)

jpwilliams (2430348) | more than 2 years ago | (#38960043)

If I recall, several other suggestions were ...

iSlate
iTablet
iPhone SuperSize
iMcoolerthanyou
iLikeshinythings

Re:Good (4, Interesting)

compro01 (777531) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959569)

Let Apple taste some of their medicine.

We're going to need to increase the dosage dramatically if we want them to start paying attention.

Re:Good (5, Informative)

Alan Shutko (5101) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959635)

You need to read the history on this one before commenting. It's not a simple matter. In this case, Apple bought the mark from an intermediary who bought the global rights from Proview (Taiwan). Apple claims they bought the rights outright, Proview claims that the china rights were held by a second subsidiary, Proview (Shenzhen)

From http://www.marbridgeconsulting.com/marbridgedaily/archive/article/53231/update_apple_appeals_ipad_trademark_lawsuit#When:12:00:00Z [marbridgeconsulting.com]

Apple laid forth a number of views in its appeal, including that the case should be adjudged according to the laws of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region; that Proview (Shenzhen) had given written authorization for Proview International Holdings' Taiwan subsidiary, Proview Electronic, to sign a trademark transfer agreement, under the principle of unnamed agency, meaning that all iPad-related trademarks should be considered by the court to have already been transferred by Proview (Shenzhen) to Apple. Apple will also name Proview Electronic as a defendant in the case.

Just bad business (0)

dlp211 (1722746) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959357)

But keep doing business in China APPL. I am sure this isn't just a one off of things to come from that country.

my karma's already terrible so what the... (3, Funny)

nopainogain (1091795) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959383)

Whenever greedy slave trader Apple loses money, a Unicorn is born farting rainbows.

Re:my karma's already terrible so what the... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38959441)

my karma's already terrible

Maybe there's a good reason for that?

Re:my karma's already terrible so what the... (1)

nopainogain (1091795) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959505)

like Jay-Z and Kanye, I get people going.

surprise... (2, Interesting)

jythie (914043) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959423)

Ah.. ha.. an American company lost in Chinese court to a Chinese company? A Chinese company that Apple paid for the trademark... yeah... never saw that one coming...

Re:surprise... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38959543)

Ah.. ha.. an American company lost in Chinese court to a Chinese company? A Chinese company that Apple paid for the trademark... yeah... never saw that one coming...

Proview sold the international rights, but not Chinese rights, to a third party company, and continued selling their iPads in China, where they had no desire to expand out of. This third party company, at a much later date, sold the international rights to Apple. Apple then violated Proview's Chinese trademark by selling the iPad in China.

But hey, Apple also ignored Cisco's iPhone trademark, and that worked out, so why WOULDN'T they? The other company will just roll over and acquiesce like always, right? (PS: Check out the Burger King in Mattoon Illinois)

Re:surprise... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38959639)

The iDevice era of Apple has been a comedy of errors when it comes to Trademark.

The thing is the comedy of errors just proves that the biggest guy always wins, even if the 2nd biggest guy is as big a Cisco.

At what point does is it only a club that is used to hit other people and at what point do we realize that is not the purpose of law?

That's funny (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959447)

Chinese gov. backs the theft of IP, reselling of copies, etc. Yet, all that happens is hand slapping. NOW, Apple could get 1.6 BILLION dollar over the use of the name. Amazing. Who knows. PERHAPS, it will lead to western, esp. American, companies re-thinking what they are doing in China.

Re:That's funny (2)

Sir_Eptishous (873977) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959529)

The only rethinking will be to contemplate whether to swallow or not...

Isn't the summary missing something? (5, Informative)

PickyH3D (680158) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959453)

Apple supposedly purchase the trademark in 2009 from Proview, but it appears that they may have bought it from their Taiwanese counterparts [geek.com] , which the Chinese portion is using to its advantage. China being China, they are choosing to side with the Chinese-based business.

If China awards the company anything remotely close to $1 billion, then I hope Apple pulls out of China. Wishful thinking as it is, it would be interesting to watch. I also hope all such companies fail, but that's pretty obvious.

Re:Isn't the summary missing something? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38959513)

Apple wont pull out of China until they source another pool of near-slaves to make their toys.

Re:Isn't the summary missing something? (3, Insightful)

squidflakes (905524) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959695)

There is a place where they could go where there is a whole huge pool of workers who have had their rights trampled, their savings destroyed, and their ability to think dismantled in a systematic way for decades. It is called The United States and there are people there who will jump at the chance to get a job, no matter how terrible the conditions, how grueling the work, or how poorly compensated they are.

Of course, we're not talking Chinese slave wages, but close.

Re:Isn't the summary missing something? (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#38960073)

this is actually part of the agenda of the megabankers, to turn the U.S. into third world

Re:Isn't the summary missing something? (1)

mark-t (151149) | more than 2 years ago | (#38960199)

For definitions of "close" that are different by more than an order of magnitude, I suppose.

Re:Isn't the summary missing something? (2)

hackingbear (988354) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959603)

Anything happening in China is considered bias by us nowaday, while at the same time we blame them for ignoring IP. But imagine if Proview has a US subsidiary that owns the trademark and the Apple lawyers forgot to work out the agreement with the US subsidiary, don't you think the US subsidiary would sue and win too? It is $1.6 billion; everyone would try to look for loophole with such huge amount, regardless if it is based in China, Taiwan, US, or fantasyland.

Re:Isn't the summary missing something? (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959607)

Isn't the summary missing something?

Judging from the number of people who are (hypocritically) calling Apple hypocrites for not doing any searches for the trademark in question... yes, the summary is definitely not doing its job of educating anybody around here.

Then again, a lousy summary is only half the problem...

Re:Isn't the summary missing something? (1)

stevenfuzz (2510476) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959959)

How are people Hypocritically calling Apple Hypocrites? If I were to say, "wow look how Apple get's a taste of their own medicine", how am I a hypocrite? Do you understand what a hypocrite is? Now, if I were a Google and had my fingers on the pulse of a bunch of possible Apple law suits, and then I said that, I GUESS I would be a hypocrite; as I would also be a talking set of multicolored iconic letters. The definition of a hypocrite is certainly not: Someone who has a different opinion or viewpoint than you--i.e. you are not the general discourse.

Re:Isn't the summary missing something? (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#38960123)

How are people Hypocritically calling Apple Hypocrites?

Well if you're really truly genuinely curious about the answer to that question, you could try reading the rest of the sentence instead of clicking 'reply' halfway through.

Or is this a really clever satire illustrating my point?

Re:Isn't the summary missing something? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38959745)

They won't win. Eventually the case will make it to a high court and the party will make sure things go in favor of Apple. Proview may very well be a Chinese company, but Apple does a lot of business in China and indirectly provides a lot of employment for Chinese citizens. Proview might get a token award, but it's not going to be in the billions.

Re:Isn't the summary missing something? (1)

brainzach (2032950) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959993)

Why would Apple pull out of China over this? Do you think Apple would remove its headquarters from the US because a patent troll is going after it?

Worst case would be that Apple stop selling the iPad or other Apple products from China. They are still allowed to use Chinese factories to build iPads and ship them overseas.

Re:Isn't the summary missing something? (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | more than 2 years ago | (#38960151)

If Apple stopped selling iPads in China, it wouldn't stop "iPads" being sold in China. It will only stop Apple seeing any profit from the iPad sales.

Fuck Yeah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38959477)

That's what you get for trying to patent the idea of a tablet being glossy-black and having rounded corners.

Perhaps the Chinese will respect IP? (1)

wisebabo (638845) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959489)

(IP: Intellectual Property not Internet Protocol).

I don't know the particulars of this case but, assuming Apple IS violating their trademark, what are the chances that this will cause other Chinese companies to stop infringing on foreign trademarks, copyrights and patents?

If this really changed the way Chinese companies legally did business (and stopped their alleged illegal theft of IP through industrial espionage) then 1.6 Billion would be a small price to pay. Way to take it on the chin for America, Apple!

Re:Perhaps the Chinese will respect IP? (4, Insightful)

cyfer2000 (548592) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959657)

China government is there to protect Chinese IP and US government is here to protect US IP. Nothing will change.

Re:Perhaps the Chinese will respect IP? (4, Insightful)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959763)

No... Chinese gov't protects the Chinese and the US gov't protects the top 1% of shareholders who import the Chinese crap. Don't start thinking that the government protects US IP or US people in general. They don't do that.

Re:Perhaps the Chinese will respect IP? (1)

brainzach (2032950) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959867)

If Apple didn't really violate anyone's trademark and there was obvious corruption, it can expose China as a poor place for foreign companies to do business in.

In FreeMarket Communist China... (3, Funny)

Sir_Eptishous (873977) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959509)

all your iPad are belong to us!

Re:In FreeMarket Communist China... (1)

stevenfuzz (2510476) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959847)

Don't often see Aphex Twin refs... Nice.

Speaking as an Apple Fanboi (0)

godglike (643670) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959551)

Speaking as a longtime Apple fanboi and iPad owner:

Whoops, bwahahahahaha!

Oh well, At least Apple only missed a trademark in one country (Taiwan+China are technically the same country). With a trademark as simple as "iPad", that's pretty good.

For comparison wasn't there a company that accidentally infringed Ireland?

Re:Speaking as an Apple Fanboi (1)

treerex (743007) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959613)

(Taiwan+China are technically the same country)

In what way are they the same country?

Re:Speaking as an Apple Fanboi (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38959675)

Just like US and Canada are the same country.

Re:Speaking as an Apple Fanboi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38959855)

Try Quebec and Canada.

Why is "China" one country? (1)

sartin (238198) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959699)

That's a huge topic, but is partially summarized by the 1992 Consensus [wikipedia.org] which is basically that both PRC (mainland China) and ROC (Taiwan) agree there is only one "China", but disagree over which government is legitimate.

Re:Why is "China" one country? (1)

treerex (743007) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959775)

That's a huge topic

Indeed.

...that both PRC (mainland China) and ROC (Taiwan) agree there is only one "China", but disagree over which government is legitimate.

Which is a great piece of political mental masturbation but of little use in reality, where there are separate governments and separate courts and separate financial institutions at play.

Re:Speaking as an Apple Fanboi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38959735)

He has difficulty noticing the difference between "Republic of China" and "People's Republic of China"

A quick hint, a "people's republic" isn't.

Re:Speaking as an Apple Fanboi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38959805)

In what way are they the same country?

Depends on who you ask. [wikipedia.org] When you're done reading that, read this [wikipedia.org] for more confusion.

This case is going to have a lot of attention from a lot of heavyweights.

Re:Speaking as an Apple Fanboi (2)

Anonymous Psychopath (18031) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959851)

(Taiwan+China are technically the same country)

In what way are they the same country?

Taiwan is either a Chinese province in rebellion or a Chinese government in exile, depending on who you're talking to. For all practical purposes the rest of the world treats them as two independent sovereign nations, but the Chinese, whether they be ROC or PROC, don't see themselves that way.

Re:Speaking as an Apple Fanboi (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959877)

Taiwan+China are technically the same country)

No they're not. Taiwan is technically "The Republic of China". Mainland China is technically "The People's Republic of China".

Similar sounding formal names. Very different countries.

Let me translate this for you. (2)

Lashat (1041424) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959571)

$1.6 Billion payment to Proview = Chinese Government Kickback.

Of course my babelfish may be horked.

Re:Let me translate this for you. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38960015)

Yes, running windows 7 on commodity hardware that happens to have the Apple logo stamp onto it. Way to over spend

The days of Apple Hardware superiority are over. IT's all OS.

Apple should apologize and stop selling (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38959697)

selling iPads in China.

They have a good story, namely it was an honest mistake, we thought we bought the rights, but it looks like the folks that we bought from didn't own them.

This puts Apple in China time out, but also puts China in iPad time out which is probably worse.
This seems the best place to be to negotiate a new deal for the trademark.

So Apple... (1)

stevenfuzz (2510476) | more than 2 years ago | (#38959837)

Hows that medicine taste, like apple sauce?

China wins at IP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38959921)

ITT: people crying rivers about the dubious treatment of a fascist, multibillon-dollar company by the courts of the totalitarian state that underwrites the cheap manufacturing of all that company's crap... wut?

All I can say is (0)

Reverand Dave (1959652) | more than 2 years ago | (#38960005)

BWAHAHAHAHA, ahhahahahahahahahaha, hahahahahahahahha, ahahahahahahahahaha.

what would proview cost to purchase (1)

dutchwhizzman (817898) | more than 2 years ago | (#38960051)

What would it cost to buy the company, if it wasn't for this law suit? I doubt it'd be much more than a few million dollars if they are near bankruptcy?
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