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Ask Slashdot: Where Are the Open Source Jobs?

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the employment-wants-to-be-free dept.

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stry_cat writes "My company has bought into the FUD and is going 100% Microsoft. Rather than work in this environment and be continuously at odds with upper management, I have decided to seek employment elsewhere. Where do I look for an open source job? I've started with the local paper's Sunday classifieds. I've looked on dice.com and monster.com. However almost all are Microsoft related. The few that aren't are some sort of dinky contract or temp job. So is there a place to find a job in an open source environment?"

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All around...oh, wait, you mean the PAYING ones? (5, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#38983639)

Well, that may be a little more difficult.

You could always work as a contractor specializing in customizing software. Even companies that use FOSS often need someone to make custom modifications to said software to meet their specific needs. But I doubt you'll find many of those jobs posted in "Help Wanted" ads, and I'm not sure how many of them are actually out there or how you would find them.

And if you just want to avoid MS stuff on principle, you could always work as a Unix admin, Cobol programmer, Java developer, etc. depending on your skill set.

I would suggest you avoid Cobol programmer, though. I had to learn that godforsaken son-of-a-whore language in college and would rather eat glass while being raped by an angry Mike Tyson on top of a pyre of burning feces than to ever have to deal with it again. But some seem to find it a somewhat less suicide-inducing-please-god-give-me-the-strength-to-pull-this-trigger-and-end-it-all prospect than I.

Re:All around...oh, wait, you mean the PAYING ones (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38983761)

I would rather eat glass while being raped by an angry Mike Tyson on top of a pyre of burning feces than to ever have to deal with it again.

That can be arranged.

Re:All around...oh, wait, you mean the PAYING ones (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38984113)

As hard-up as Tyson is, he may do it for a tenner!

Re:All around...oh, wait, you mean the PAYING ones (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38983859)

Amazon, facbook, google. To look for an open source job look at companies that do not implement dot net that use enterprise java systems and will probably have oracle databases. But majority of companies like the dot net solution because they think that it is easier to maintain which to a certain degree they are not far off. Open source companies usually use perl, python, ruby, java but also keep in mind a lot of times if it is an opensource place they may expect for you to understand and know the projects that your building on top of.

Re:All around...oh, wait, you mean the PAYING ones (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38983929)

But some seem to find it a somewhat less suicide-inducing-please-god-give-me-the-strength-to-pull-this-trigger-and-end-it-all prospect than I.

You know, I once had a temp contract job because someone felt that way about perl. I was sure that wasn't the reason she'd killed herself (shot herself in the parking lot of the local airport), but all of her former co-workers insisted that it was the deliberately obfuscated perl code that drove her to it, and knowing that in six months, her usefulness as "the only person who can prop up this piece of garbage we got stuck with by a bad contractor" would be over because the other programers on staff would be finished making the properly documented, non-obfuscated replacement for the software. (In C, since none of them knew perl anyways.)

After experiencing the remaining five months as a temp contractor patching and propping up that pile of garbage, I began to believe them.

You're a douche (4, Insightful)

bonch (38532) | more than 2 years ago | (#38983663)

You're a douche. In an economy where many people have been unemployed for so long that they're just dropping out of the workforce altogether, you're fretting over "FUD" because your company did a normal thing and switched products? Get over it. Do you realize how insane you have to be to take platform wars so seriously that you actually quit your job and avoid any other jobs that have anything to do with Microsoft products? For god's sake, get some perspective.

Re:You're a douche (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38983727)

It's pretty clear this guy got fired for being a preachy douche.

Read between the lines..

Re:You're a douche (5, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 2 years ago | (#38983875)

Platform switches tend to shake out people. There is nothing at all surprising or shocking about this. If he doesn't want to deal with Microsoft crap in his day job, there are plenty of places that are Unix shops. Plenty of places that use Unix also use Linux. All you have to do is search in the places you would usually search.

It's a total non-problem really.

Re:You're a douche (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38983947)

Between the lines, I read that this guy's a douche who doesn't know how to do anything out of his comfort zone. So fucking what that they chose microsoft? It's their decision to make. Every platform has pros and cons. And even if it didn't -- is it his job to chose the platform? Obviously not. So who fucking cares? And what the fuck is "bought into the FUD" supposed to mean?

"Oh no. My management made a platform decision that I don't like. I quit." Then fucking quit you idiot. Go start your own company founded on whatever principles you want and make your own platform decisions then.

If you had to explain to family why you quit your job, do you realize how fucking retarded it sounds to say "I quit because of principles. I refuse to work for a company that buys from Microsoft"

Good for you that you have principles -- but those are fucking stupid principle. Set your priorities. Jeebus Christ this is idiotic.

Re:You're a douche (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38983755)

^^ This, this and this. Couldn't have said it better.

Re:You're a douche (2, Insightful)

Idimmu Xul (204345) | more than 2 years ago | (#38983783)

What the parent said.

I don't know of many jobs who's specialist requirement is knowledge of random software available under open source licenses, other than maybe working for the EFF?

What skills do you have? What commercially used OSS do you have transferable work experience in that other employers want?

I googled 'linux sip job' earlier and got a shit load of relevant positions ...

Re:You're a douche (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38983981)

Who is specialist? Huh?

Re:You're a douche (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38983825)

Right. I'm not sure if this person actually quit, but irrational decisions like this, in the end, always lead to a disaster. Also, they didn't necessarily switch to MS because of FUD, but maybe because there're advantages, since MS products are better integrated... I used to be a big proponent of open source, but not so much any more.

Re:You're a douche (-1, Troll)

Stradenko (160417) | more than 2 years ago | (#38983883)

Hi! Skilled people can find jobs. If you can't find one, it's because you suck, you're not trying or you have unreasonable expectations.

Have a nice day.

Re:You're a douche (1, Funny)

Tsingi (870990) | more than 2 years ago | (#38983949)

Hi! Skilled people can find jobs. If you can't find one, it's because you suck, you're not trying or you have unreasonable expectations.

Have a nice day.

Nice post. Asshole.

Re:You're a douche (2)

masternerdguy (2468142) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984133)

Hi! Skilled people can find jobs. If you can't find one, it's because you suck, you're not trying or you have unreasonable expectations.

Have a nice day.

Nice post. Asshole.

Except that he's absolutely right. This guy quit his job because they are switching to MS products. If he was any good he could learn the new system and continue his work, however he has decided to quit and come appeal to Slashdot's anti-MS mentality. He has unreasonable expectations and probably lacks the skillset to do the new job. He didn't even try.

Re:You're a douche (4, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984253)

...or he could simply find a new job at a better company.

Chances are that their sudden exclusive use of Microsoft is just the tip of the iceberg.

Re:You're a douche (2)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984355)

Working with MS server-side stuff is a gigantic PITA and it's understandable that you might leave a job to avoid it. It's like switching from managing a team of educated adults to babysitting a bunch of brat children. I'd do the same thing in his shoes.

Re:You're a douche (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38984077)

"Hi! Skilled people can find jobs. If you can't find one, it's because you suck, you're not trying or you have unreasonable expectations."

Or because your entire industry went kablooie like pharma and biotech did.

On the contrary (1)

6031769 (829845) | more than 2 years ago | (#38983919)

stry_cat sounds highly principled and I for one applaud him for it. It's not an easy step to take but it certainly can be the right one. If I were stry_cat I would look to get the new job sorted before quitting the old one, of course. Hopefully that's what they're doing.

As to the question of where to look, why not start with the big players? RedHat, Canonical, IBM, Google all (clearly) make serious use of open source technologies. Outside of pure IT there are plenty of others who do the same: Amazon, eBay, CERN, NASA, etc.

If you have a skill in a particular area (a language, an application, a protocol), most of those will have their own job board or similar and you probably know already where to look for that. Good luck in the search.

Re:You're a douche (4, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984013)

You are a dickhead.

His employer switched to a platform he does not have enough knowledge with. He should find a job he can do ASAP. This is normal, happens all the time. I am a linux/unix sysadmin, I do some windows work as well, but I would never take a job were that was my main focus. It is outside my field of expertise, nor do I want to do that job. I will not take a job flipping burgers or digging ditches either.

The economy has nothing to do with it, I am getting 2+ recruiters calling me everyday for the past week. What your skills are matter far more than the economy.

Re:You're a douche (5, Insightful)

beelsebob (529313) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984139)

Personally, if my employer switched to something I didn't have experience with I'd take it as an excuse to gain experience with something new while getting paid for it, rather than going "wha wha wha, must find a new job and limit my skill set even more".

Re:You're a douche (4, Interesting)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984191)

Good for you.
Different strokes for different folks. I would not be willing to take the pay cut that comes with going from the Sr guy to a Jr.

I spend 8+ hours a day working, it had better be something I like doing.

Re:You're a douche (3, Interesting)

WilyCoder (736280) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984207)

The viewpoint expressed in your post is exactly why I can now bill myself as both an Android developer and also an iOS developer.

I'm not in the market for work right now, but you can be sure that I have two pools of jobs to pick from when it comes to mobile development now...

Re:You're a douche (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38984267)

Is he going to quit again when he joins an ecommerce company that wants a Linux-to-iOS bridge between backend and frontend systems, because iOS is FUD and not FOSS and all that?

I wouldn't go so far as to call the guy a douche, but I agree with those that say there's more to this story. Either he doesn't have the skillset to work with MSFT products, he got fired, or he's being super-particular.

Re:You're a douche (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38984103)

^^^^ This times 1000. The neckbearded zealotry is so strong in the submitter it's amazing.

Re:You're a douche (3, Informative)

kurkosdr (2378710) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984131)

+1 At least the company benefited by getting a fanatic of their backs. Can't people just use whatever software fits their needs? I understand people who reject things like the iPhone and WP7 because such platforms may prohibit them from loading software they want (see the Google Voice fiasco in iOS for more info), and they may not feel OK by having others decide for them even though they are the ones who pay for the device, but rejecting a piece of software because the author didn't chose to donate (yes, donate, it wasn't his obligation) the code under an OSI license? Also, is it just me, or most of the open source fanatics dream of working for a project like Fedora or Firefox, aka a project that allows them to give code to the community and get paid for it? Unfortunately most of the times "open source jobs" means either configuring some open source software for some corp, or maintaining some internal fork of some open source software, like Google does with Linux in their data center, and none of this benefits the community in any way. PS: Anyway, here is a list stry_cat may be interested in (though i doubt he will read past the first sentence of my post) http://www.fsf.org/resources/jobs [fsf.org]

Re:You're a douche (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38984163)

Sorry you got modded down. I guess there are or more unemployed fossfags who have time to metamoderate. Anyhoo, back to my high paying job. Enjoy the job hunt!

Re:You're a douche (2)

Kjella (173770) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984201)

Well, for one it sounds like he's still employed, if he had just rage quit that would be different. If you don't want to be a Microsoft admin, why stay in an all-Microsoft shop? As long as you feel the new job is as secure as the old one - which may be very low - there's nothing wrong with moving sideways as long as you've got the new job lined up before you leave your old one. He's just not finding the jobs he expected. As he said open source and not Linux servers, I'm guessing he's a developer. And his problem, as far as I've seen it is that you almost never hire a random person to work on an open source project. You almost always pick some person that has worked on it for a long time already and turn a volunteer job into a paid job.

There's so many people that already know the code base with first hand experience of code quality, commitment, coding style and personality that just lack the money to do it full time already, why would you search on monster.com for one? That would only be like he found for the odd contract job, though I'd try the project's mailing list first, unless that's frowned upon but usually they have one open for commercial requests/offers. Of course you can see if Red Hat etc. is hiring but that's a pretty damn small pool. There's custom development and CotS development, paid OSS development is actually rare.

Re:You're a douche (3, Insightful)

jeffmeden (135043) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984203)

You're a douche. In an economy where many people have been unemployed for so long that they're just dropping out of the workforce altogether, you're fretting over "FUD" because your company did a normal thing and switched products? Get over it. Do you realize how insane you have to be to take platform wars so seriously that you actually quit your job and avoid any other jobs that have anything to do with Microsoft products? For god's sake, get some perspective.

You make a good troll, but the point is right on. Is MS stuff really so hard to wrap your head around that you had to pull the ripcord? If you are right that MS products in general are harder to maintain, then guess what THAT IS THE BUSINESS TO BE IN. Think about this, Mr. I'm So Fucking Smart, if you are right that FOSS products are a dream come true and they work as soon as the key is turned, you are going to have a pretty damn hard time convincing someone to bother keeping you on the payroll. Get an in-demand skill (some of them are in FOSS, most are not) and stick with it. If you are set on being a sysadmin type person, you either need to know old school unix (for those companies still kicking their legacy systems down the road) or you need to know MS (for any modern company of decent size.) That's just the way the world is spinning right now.

Re:You're a douche (1)

Dogbertius (1333565) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984257)

If only I mod points left. Insightful.

As for TFA: Oh no, my company changed products - I miss my old Thunderbird e-mail client, and Outlook is just too much to endure, so I'm switching jobs. If you have a family and kids that depend on you, I'd say your significant other has every reason to call you a completely unreliable moron. People change jobs due to poor working conditions, unethical company practices, or simply a desire for better pay. Changing products? Seriously?

MS is a criminal company (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38984273)

No. YOU get some perspective. MS is still a criminal company responsible for who knows how many years of stagnation in sector. Even if the rest of the world looked the other way, some of us will never forget nor forgive MS its past and ONGOING practices of stomping competition with all kinds of shady tricks.

OOXML? Netscape? IE6? Office file formats?

This is not about "platform wars". This is about working for criminals. If you don't have a problem with that then fuck you.

Re:You're a douche (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38984319)

Wanting to change because you believe your management is incompetent is not being a douche, you might be wrong, but either you're right and staying might well be a bad "move" since your management will fail, and guess who's going to be punished (hint: not them).
And if you are wrong, it still is a bad idea to work with people you do not respect.

Moreover companies who are looking for open source developpers usually expect people to have strong opinon about this.

And no it is not a "platform war" but a war about the way to make IT, this is very different.
Choosing Microsoft over Oracle or a legacy IBM platform is a "platform war" where you look at what "seems nicest"

tomcat vs jboss vs jonas is a "platform war"...

But open source/free software vs proprietary software is about : not wanting lock in, trying before buying, seeing what's under the hood... or not...
You might prefer a "good contract" to "avaiable code", but do not think it's just a "platform"...

Moreover in "bad economies" the people with guts tend to be better at survival thant the "reasonable peons"..

Consulting. (2)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#38983703)

Only source I know of outside the rare internal position is as a consultant being hired piecemeal to make modifications to existing open source software. Basically company A saying we want to use software B because its free (aka open) but we want it to do Y so hire X to make the changes. Dont know that you can make a carrier out of it, especially if you refuse to bid on non-open source jobs.

Re:Consulting. (1)

Relayman (1068986) | more than 2 years ago | (#38983815)

He/she doesn't have to try to do this on his own but seek employment with a consulting company that does. stry_cat, pick an open-source package you like and do a Google search to find companies that support that package. Then you can use LinkedIn to contact people inside that company to see if they are hiring.

Alternatively, you can contact IBM, Red Hat, Apple(?) or someone like that which works for money in the open-source arena.

Embedded systems, or academia (1)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984287)

Only source I know of outside the rare internal position is as a consultant being hired piecemeal to make modifications to existing open source software.

I know several people who are platform agnostic, work on Windows, Mac OS X or Linux as a client needs, and who occasionally work on Linux based software targeting an embedded environment. However such a job may be philosophically objectionable for the job seeker in question. In addition to the Linux work on the device itself there is often a part of the project that requires a Windows based utility that interacts with the device.

Given that this job seeker is not platform agnostic being a consultant may not be the best idea. Perhaps he should work in academia, an environment where a person gets to choose the area they work in, accepting of course relatively lower salaries as the price for that freedom.

I wouldnt you (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38983713)

Who wants an engineer who puts his goofy personal philosophy ahead of the technology stack?

Who wants to pay you to waste hours upon hours configuring samba to talk to Windows 7 when that shit works out of the box?

Re:I wouldnt you (3, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984039)

If you spent "hours upon hours" trying to configure samba to talk to a Windows 7 box then you need to turn in your college degree and ask for a broom.

Re:I wouldnt you (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38984089)

That's funny - last time I had to configure Samba to talk to Windows (NT, 98se, XP, Vista, AND 7 on the same network), it only took a few minutes. You really suck at setting up Samba, don't you?

Where are the open source jobs? (3, Funny)

Johnny5000 (451029) | more than 2 years ago | (#38983715)

Why, there are plenty of open source jobs! Just last week I started working in Happy-Land, in a gumdrop house on Lollipop Lane!

Come join me, and bring your friends. We're having a tea party later.

open source is a passion, not a paycheck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38983739)

You work your day job, and contribute to open source on your own time. Or, if you can swing it, you work on open source on company time, in the shadows.

What is an "open source job"? (4, Insightful)

Neil_Brown (1568845) | more than 2 years ago | (#38983745)

Are you looking for a company developing something, which is to be released under an open source licence?

Or to support open source platforms, irrespective of what the company itself does?

Are you looking for employment, rather than offering consultancy services / self-employed? If you have expertise with particular open source platforms, are there jobs available to work with those platforms — even if the companies in question do not realise that they are open source?

Could you be looking for jobs where the company wants a solution which does [x], and is not worried how you get to [x] as long as you are on time and on budget, and so would be amenable to an open source solution?

Re:What is an "open source job"? (3, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#38983835)

Exactly. I've never seen a open source job advertised. On the other hand, I fairly regularly get sent adverts from people looking for a FreeBSD or LLVM developer, and there are lots of jobs around for Linux or *BSD admins. Looking for an open source job makes even less sense than looking for a 'Microsoft job' (which, actually, sounds like a euphemism).

Re:What is an "open source job"? (2)

jd (1658) | more than 2 years ago | (#38983879)

Dunno if Hot Linux Jobs is still around, but that would be where I'd start looking.

Re:What is an "open source job"? (1)

M. Baranczak (726671) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984213)

And we still don't know what the guy actually did at his old job, or what his qualifications are. This question is impossible to answer. It's like they posted it deliberately to invite pointless arguments. And here I am, contributing to it. I feel dirty.

Unanswerable (5, Informative)

jemtallon (1125407) | more than 2 years ago | (#38983747)

I'm afraid this question is unanswerable as we don't know what type of job you:
a. Like to do
b. Have already done
c. Are good at

Please be more specific in future requests for assistance.

Re:Unanswerable (1)

GreyWolf3000 (468618) | more than 2 years ago | (#38983961)

This.

Personally, I've been doing ruby on rails development for about four years now, and I haven't had to touch proprietary code in as many years. Development platform is linux or OSX, and 100% the software stack is open source.

This is just my personal anecdote, but I think you'll have success working on open source if you find an open source platform that's actually used by your company. (Duh, I know right?)

Re:Unanswerable (2)

mooingyak (720677) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984169)

I was thinking a similar thing, though a different list:

1. Where do you live
2. Where are you willing to relocate to

Re:Unanswerable (2)

Necroman (61604) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984215)

Other important questions (you should be asking yourself these):

d. are you willing to move?
e. does it have to be OSS, or just a more open-minded culture?
f. why is OSS so important to where you work?

From what I've seen (2)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 2 years ago | (#38983785)

Pretty hard to find. Microsofts tentacles are everywhere and even the shops that are as much open source as possible, get infected somehow. We're pretty much a Debian shop, but accounting needed a Windows 2008 server for their proprietary accounting package and left and right there were supporting servers for little tasks where it was best suited. However, now developers are requesting a MSSQL server for a real production platform. Why? I don't know... Doesn't make much sense.

Pure open source jobs are very very rare. It's the level of Microsoftism that you want to accept, that opens some jobs. It is, alas, reality. I'd say: suck it up. I have no choice either. Well, except for the choice of starving and not being able to pay the rent.

Welcome to reality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38983831)

Now grow up.

community (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38983833)

First learn an Open Source program well (like drupal or civicrm) AND learn the community.
You can do that from your house.

If you're good you'll get known.
Then you'll also get to know the companies that need people.

Open Source Jobs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38983839)

Do they exist?, i hope you didn't quit your current job, you're going to get disappointed.

Embeddedland (5, Interesting)

LikwidCirkel (1542097) | more than 2 years ago | (#38983845)

Stop thinking of "desktop PC's" and start thinking embedded hardware products. Tons of things are moving that way anyway.

In general, I find that the embedded community is much more into open source solutions.
Windows is the king shit desktop OS. Linux is the king shit embedded OS.

... and serverland (1)

slim (1652) | more than 2 years ago | (#38983993)

Also...

Call it "the cloud", call it "software as a service" or call it "managed services" -- or just call it "running a web site". Companies that run services tend to use a lot of OSS.

You'd be *using* OSS software (Apache, memcached, Google Java libs, MySQL, all that kind of thing), and you'd be likely to be adapting it. Depending on the company, you might have to fight a bit if you want to contribute back to the OSS projects in a significant way.

Try IBM... then once you're in, work on getting moved to the right department.

Re:Embeddedland (1)

davydagger (2566757) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984221)

linux is also king shit in the super computer market, with 92% of the install base.

also linux servers are more flexable and scalable than windows, and they DO have a presence in the mainframe market(suprised but true).

Shaking windows from the desktop market is going to be hard, and there is no real concentrated effort to do so. Every other market, linux either dominates or is a major player.

oh an make sure you know your shit.

Embedded device manufacturers. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38983847)

Lots of them run Linux and use F/OSS extensively.

Look at the back of the manuals of your electronic gadgets - chances are you'll find a GPL or BSD disclosure.

Thank you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38983849)

Thank you for letting your petty ego and prejudices get in the way of your continued employment. I know there are many people who would like to know what company you left so they can properly address their resumes. Please provide that information.

Stop being silly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38983857)

I highly prefer to work on Linux systems (I am an embedded developer, but somethimes end up writing GUI's to control various devices). However I don't always get to work on Linux or even open source platforms. A few times I have even had to develop Windows based systems.

So what. I hate Windows, but I got paid, and I learned a lot.

I then paid my bills, and went on to the next task.

This might work... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38983867)

1. Contribute over years and years to open source projects with a large following. (like the Linux kernel, GNOME, KDE, any farting application for iPhone, etc.)
2. Wait for a large company with serious interests in open source (like Red Hat, Google or IBM) to notice you and offer you a job.
3. Profit!!!!

Yeah, that could happen.

Good Luck Starving (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38983901)

Good luck starving... I drop a few quarters in your cup on the way into work

Move (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38983913)

It sounds like you live in a small market. You will likely have to move to a larger city/metro area for this.

What's your current job? (4, Insightful)

Call Me Black Cloud (616282) | more than 2 years ago | (#38983923)

Are you a janitor? Programmer? DBA? SA? Middle manager?

And what is "an open source job"? Is that a job where anyone can come by and do your work for you?

Your knee-jerk reaction makes no sense. You didn't say what you do or how the change will affect you, only "OMG M$!!!!!". In the end your company will be better off without you.

I work at SUSE. (5, Interesting)

vojtech (565680) | more than 2 years ago | (#38983941)

... we're hiring. Are you any good?

Re:I work at SUSE. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38984135)

He apparently can't even find postings for jobs that involve, say Linux, MySQL, apache, or countless other non-microsoft/opensource products. So, I assume "no", he's not any good.

Re:I work at SUSE. (1)

perotbot (632237) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984171)

I was going to say exactly that, I work in a Novell based environment and work on SUSE most the day.

The entire setup seems bogus. (3, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 2 years ago | (#38983945)

The entire setup seems bogus.

If you don't want to work with Microsoft products, there's plenty of room for you out there. Dice and Monster are full of such jobs.

The idea that you can't find any seems like some sort of lame attempt at propaganda.

I don't understand the open-source business model (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38983951)

So you want to be paid for your work as you work for a company that doesn't get paid for their work? Just doesn't seem to make sense, I understand most of the open-source stuff as pure digital philanthropy. If you mean work for a company that only uses open source? I think open source generally costs more than the commercial counterparts in the long run.

Re:I don't understand the open-source business mod (1)

slim (1652) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984241)

Wow, you really don't understand the OSS business model, do you? After all these years.

Here, let me try to help.

Al runs a web site in 1993. Bill also runs a web site.

Al writes some code that makes his web server more useful. He lets Bill have that code too.
That might appear to be "pure digital philanthropy", but it's not, it's quid-pro-quo. Bill looks over the new code and finds a defect, which he fixes. He sends the fix back to Al. Al has traded a feature for some bug checking. When Bill adds another useful feature, he gives it to Al.

Scale that to Chris, Dave, Evan etc. and you get a bunch of people getting *more value* by contributing to Apache, than they would by doing the alternatives (selling software, buying a web server).

Move (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38983969)

Move out of redmond, move to silicon valley.

You are misguided (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38983989)

First, there is a big difference between being a programmer and working in IT.

Working as a programmer, you are able to make the choice between open source and closed source. Not everyone will have a job for you, but that's a risk you take by drawing that kind of line.

Working in IT, you would be stupid to go all open source all the time. In IT, you have to be pragmatic. You pick the best solution for the job. Factors that go into the 'best solution' concept are cost, supportability, and usability. Do you really think you'll make it anywhere if the first thing you do is say "Scratch Windows. Scratch Office. We're going with Ubuntu and OpenOffice.org. Oh, and accounting? You can't use Excel".

I expect the replies of "Well, OpenOffice.org Calc is a reasonable replacement for spreadsheets!". Well, it is except when it's not. A Prius is more fuel efficient than a pickup unless you need to haul a ton of bricks or plow a road (had to work in the car analogy). Try this for a cost benefit analysis: Your company has four accountants. You can either pay the $150 MS Office license fee, or have each accountant spend three hours figuring out this new-fangled OO.o thingy, plus limit what they can do in a spreadsheet. And worry about all the headaches when the spreadsheets are not compatible outside your organization.

Honestly, anyone who makes IT decisions based on some ideology over corporate strategy and pragmatism is foolish and does not deserve to make decisions. A closed source solution is often the better choice due to the support contracts and the fact that your users are probably already familiar with it. Open source also has many benefits and uses within a corporation. It's IT's job to pick the best solution, not just pick the solution that warms their heart. /rant

Open source jobs (1)

geekasaurus (140451) | more than 2 years ago | (#38983991)

I dislike many Microsoft products as much as the next (Unix) guy, based on what I see as poor features/function in said software/languages. And IF you have the correct skill set, there are Unix/Linux specific jobs out there (think admin or consulting); if you are a developer, there are many OS-neutral languages. If you want hired, however, you had better have the documented experience/expertise to justify that hiring. Otherwise, (IMHO) you would be better served by continuing to get the paycheck and taking courses or otherwise getting the requisite experience and then making the change at your leisure.
I've encountered more than a few "wanna-be's" out there who fell flat when I put them to the test during a pre-employment interview.

In Open Source, the job finds you! (5, Informative)

ccguy (1116865) | more than 2 years ago | (#38983995)

Bad joke in the subject, but it's true. I've found that submitting patches to a established open source project is the easiest way to find a job, in fact without moving a finger.

Starting a decent open source program is even better. My pet project ccextractor is a very niche things yet I get offers for customizations / deployment / etc very often (to me often here is something like twice a month).

Suck it up, whiny (1, Informative)

spidercoz (947220) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984015)

MS has 80% of the planet. You can either adapt and deal, or continue fighting the wind.

(speaking as a pure F/OSS user at home and any other chance I get)

Circuit Designers Need Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38984017)

If you work for IT at a circuit design company you can be sure that there will be Linux. Microsoft won't be excluded, but you can only run Cadence on a Unix-style operating system.

Convince them to use Spring.NET (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38984021)

If you can convince them to use Spring.NET and embrace dependency injection along with a mock unit testing library for easier TDD, does it really make a difference? C# is not a bad language and you can integrate with F# to boot.

On the other hand, if they bought into the MS stack without any sort of strategy for DI/mocks/TDD, leave immediately. They'll produce worse software than they did before.

Embrace & extend (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38984023)

My advice to you: drink the koolaid.

Seriously. While you may not like MS, knowing their products and how to program for Windows is a great set of skills to add to your resume/CV. In addition, having both on your resume shows you're versatile and can adapt to changing situations, something that employers find valuable. It also gives you an edge over applicants that know only one environment, especially in those places where both exist.

Were I in your shoes, I would definitely take the opportunity to learn and gain experience with MS products. If I still didn't like the situation later on, I could still leave, but with much broader experience than I currently have,

I got a nice linux based job (2)

davydagger (2566757) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984061)

now, convincing companies to run linux on the desktop is hard. it does help that we have an old UNIX guru at work as the "master hacker" and computer cult cheiftan. Being that linux is probably the most flexible, powerful, and usable of all modern day *NIX systems.(runs on more systems than netbsd)

I work in a large but otherwise nameless company. They picked up "linux" on my resume, gave me and interveiw and hired me without any real certs based on my linux knowledge.

I get a lot of emails looking for either linux admins or linux system tuners. its the hot new thing.

keep looking through monster and career builder. or mabey your city is just open source unfriendly?

Contract (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984079)

At elance.com and similar places. you will have a difficult time winning bids from 15/hr rate against indian houses at first, but as your reputation increases, you will easily win bids, and after a time your hourly rate will increase and people will seek you out. eventually, you will start working with a party in permanent basis and go off the market.

Open source areas (5, Informative)

Animats (122034) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984085)

The Mozilla Foundation is hiring. They even have a billboard on 101 near San Francisco: "Work for mankind, not for the man".

Most of the hosting, "cloud", data mining, and data warehousing industry is Linux based. The infrastructures of the big players like Google and Facebook are all Linux. Once you get off the desktop, Microsoft isn't dominant.

You don't look for an Open Source job... (4, Interesting)

zarlino (985890) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984093)

...most of the times, it's the Open Source job that will look for you. Create or join interesting projects. Let you skills shine. If you're good, someone will ask you if you're interested in applying for a job with them.

Shops that use MS != Evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38984099)

Do not avoid positions at companies that use Microsoft software.
While there are companies that buy into the MS FUD, there are also companies with high-level FOSS Zealots who will tell you that AD/Exchange/MS product X is evil and refuse to use it or any other commercial product. This is equally bad.

My advice: Look for a company with sane culture and managers who accept business arguments (cost/benefit) over technical merit arguments.

timothy is obvoously having a slow day (3, Insightful)

prgrmr (568806) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984111)

There are a lot of "open source" jobs out there, whether you mean working with open source products like Linux or PHP or Android OS, or working for a company that is an open source provider like Red Hat or Google, and the article is nothing but a troll. Mr. stry_cat completely neglected to give so much as a hint about his technical skill set, let alone enumerate anything specific. There are programming, admin, project management, and management positions in all parts of the country, across almost every industry imaginable, and the only constraints for any given individual are personal preferences as to where to live, and current responsibilities for where they are currently located.

Every time a slashdot editor allows a completely worthless article like this to hit the front page, they are devaluing slashdot as a brand. Given how often timothy does this, I am amazed he is still permitted the opportunity to do so.

You have to look (1)

stormesj (701697) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984125)

We are Open Source at the server level, with a mix of Mac/Windows at the desktop. You have to look and it helps to join local meet ups that do open source and like others say it helps to be involved in projects.

What kind of job? (1)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984127)

Since you work in IT, you should know by now that IT isn't just a single field.

Were you a... Linux admin? Perl programmer? Postgres Database admin (or [insert database here])? Network technician?

A mix of all of the above?

What are your skills, moron? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38984145)

First off, don't quit your job because you don't like the software you have to work with unless you A) are filthy rich, or B) already know where you plan to go work, C) are a total fucking moron.

Secondly, specify what the hell you actually do.... Web/application/embedded/etc development? Network administration? Graphic design? Spreadsheets?

Do you want to work with open source tools, or develop open source products? I do embedded development with Linux running on my primary machine and do 99% of my work in open source tool chains, but my company wants to avoid using copyleft-licensed libraries in production code for business reasons. Not many companies will pay you to write software that you end up giving away for free unless it's client-side web development, which is essentially all given away for free.

Also, I don't think you know what FUD means. Most companies use Microsoft because it's what their staff knows / is trained in and don't allow Linux machines on the network because it's easier to administer when your network is homogeneous. Not because of fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Believe it or not, most companies are in business to make money, not to tout idealistic world views.

Jobs are everywhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38984155)

I found my longest job via Craigslist. It was a small PHP project that turned out to be an awesome PHP project. My current job which is quite open-source friendly I found by talking to the best companies in a field that I'm interested in. I suggest you look everywhere. Many companies will not know that they need Open Source people until they see that you have serious skills. Of course conferences are designed to help with this as well, there are a bunch of good Open Source conferences coming up.

Startups, Mailing Lists, etc. (1)

allenw (33234) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984173)

The easiest way to find a company who hires for open source work is to look at who is actually submitting patches back, participates on mailing lists, files bugs, etc. From my own experiences, it seems as though almost every Bay Area startup or former startup from the past 10 years (but clearly not all of them) are doing work in open source either out in the open or behind closed doors. Many positions don't have open source in big bright letters, so you might need to just flat out ask. If you are outside of the Bay Area, those companies exist but will require more legwork.

So many places! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38984177)

My fiancee is all about open source and best practice. She used to work at a University in Alaska, and their entire setup was based on Red Hat type systems. Pretty much everything developed and used were open source. She now works for Intel and while the kernel patches aren't open source, she keeps documentation on all her processes online and free.

There are also places that develop open source software which needs supported, such as RHEL, DRBD, etc. Maybe look into one of these.

As one poster said, you didn't even mention your skill set. Are you a programmer? Are you a support specialist? Systems administrator? Cluster specialist? Web developer? Geodatabase specialist? DBA? IT Manager? Desktop support? This matters.

open source meetup in Denver; in your town? (1)

peter303 (12292) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984197)

The recruiters way outnumber the people looking for jobs there. At least they buy pizza and the first round of drinks afterwards.

In the past couple years this meetup has become indistinguishable from the Java User Group. And its spawned an Android, html5, and design meetups.

Seriously??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38984199)

Sorry... I can't... I can't even answer this one without being a TROLL. Some many companies have a LOT of internal customized Open Source builds. They all prefer to hire internally... or low-ball price tag a new hire. They expect to have to train you regardless of your experience.

Every company hiring I've seen in the USA is looking to leverage the poor economy to low-ball new hires. Regardless of M$FT or *NIX.

Warning...go without a new position more than 6 months at your own risk. After that point, your price tag will be dropped lower as corporations especially are going to say you've "lost skill".

What do you mean open source job? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38984237)

Personally I have been using PHP for about 12 years now. I prefer to "use" open source tools/languages. I don't need the product itself to be open source.

Today if you know PHP and some of the frameworks (cake, symfony, codeigniter) or even wordpress or drupal, there are PLENTY of jobs.

If you want one of the more groovy languages, like python or ruby, there are much less, but still lots of jobs.

I tend to program in the LAMP stack a lot. With apache, mysql and PHP.
I have had to use Microsoft as my dev machine often, but I use PHP, mysql ( i prefer linux)........

MOST IMPORTANT. I have NOT had to use ANY MICROSOFT API's and refuse to do so. This has not been a barrier to
jobs ever.

So what do you mean by open source job? A job where you use open source stack, or you write code that is released open source?

And also, by not buying the microsoft 'fud', do you mean you will not use a microsoft machine to check your email while using a lamp stack,
or do you mean that you refuse to use .Net api's......

One last thing, i never ever ever check monster or anything else. It's MUCH MUCH better to let head hunters do your work for you

Put you resume on monster publicly, and your phone number and get 10 calls the next day.......

One more tidbit.

Here is a TRUE open source company you can apply for.

http://www.couchbase.com/careers

they make a NoSQL database called couchdb. They need people. They are in the Boston area.

Open Source (1)

dtoader (1104557) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984249)

Disclaimer: I'm making sweeping generalizations below. There are exceptions to the rule. Stakeholders who make the business decision to go with with open source software fall into: 1. Brilliant techs who run the show and eschew proprietary software 2. Clueless PHBs who have a minuscule budget and go cheap across the board (try not to pay for anything) The first type tends to go BK after running out of venture capital (because brilliant techs are usually bad at business and gauging the market) Google and Facebook are examples that buck this trend. Stakeholders who go with proprietary software are usually PHBs who go with the "industry standard" because of a google search or reading "industry rags" Usually, every work place has a healthy mix of everything. Bottom line is that programmers need to get work done and if the sanctioned M$ system doesn't cut it, they will download and install a system that will do the job. PHBs are clueless and tend not to go against programmer recommendations so they tend to approve free tools.

You are doing the right thing. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38984291)

I applaud your courage. Pay no attention to the Microsoft-loving pukes Shun Microsoft. Good luck!

where to look (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38984337)

The unemployment line.... thats where all the open source is!!!!

startup (1)

Kennon (683628) | more than 2 years ago | (#38984339)

I know my situation is unique but I found a local govt environment built on legacy tech. I had the opportunity to steer it towards Linux. Find a startup or a datacenter ripe for upgrade (UNIX, netware etc). Also there are a lot of federal positions for UNIX stuff. There will be a lot of Linux opportunities there too.

Have You Looked at Hacker News? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38984351)

Every month they have a ton of job postings. Here's this month's:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3537881

A lot of *nix shops, more opportunities if you are willing to do OS X development.

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