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Golden Delicious Now Shipping Hackable Openmoko GTA04

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the price-vs-performance dept.

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An anonymous reader writes with an update to the updated Openmoko phone that's long been in the works. From the story at Linux For Devices: "German manufacturer Golden Delicious has begun shipping a hackable open source smartphone that runs a variety of Linux software, including a newly optimized Openmoko distro. The Openmoko GTA04 is available as a finished phone or as a board that slips into earlier Openmoko Neo Freerunner GTA01 and GTA02 cases, providing an 800MHz Texas Instruments DM3730 processor and a full range of sensors and wireless features." It's rather expensive for a mid-range Android phone, but far more interesting than fairly ordinary phones decked out with bling.

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Specs and price and ordering (3, Funny)

migla (1099771) | more than 2 years ago | (#39003607)

wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA04

666.66 â

That's like devilishly expensive. If I had the extra money, I'd pay it, but dang!

Re:Specs and price and ordering (4, Informative)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#39003647)

It's 666.66 euros, and that's just the an in-stock board. A complete device is likely beyond 750 once paid, assuming they have them. It gets down to 450, but you're still stuck with only a board.

Sadly, the project is rather late and I get 99% of what I've wanted out of my N900 for less than it would have cost to buy the Freerunner then this on top.

Re:Specs and price and ordering (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39003829)

As a fellow N900 user I agree. I loved that phone but when it dies (mine stopped speaking to the mobile network, so only works over wireless) you are out of luck. I don't want to send it back to Nokia since I hear that they just send back some other Symbian phone; probably a windows phone now.

What we need is a way of licensing the N900 to either build or be able to repair the ones out there, even if that phone is drastically underpowered in typical Nokia fashion.

If openmoko becomes the N900 we all loved, then this is a good step in the right direction. I'm saying this is as someone who's preordered the openpandora which is back in production \o/.

Re:Specs and price and ordering (1)

tnnn (1035022) | more than 2 years ago | (#39004209)

While I haven't experienced this problem myself, I've come across this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1147506 [maemo.org] - it is possible that it can be of some use to you.

Re:Specs and price and ordering (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39010981)

I have an N900, and an OpenPandora as well. The OpenPandora's nubs broke within about a day of taking it out of the box, hardly inspiring. It also has battery issues; it's currently waiting to be returned.

The N900 is OK, but has far, FAR too little RAM, is too slow, and the GPS has never worked from Day 1. Like the GP, I also wouldn't ever let it near Nokia. Agree with GP that the ideal would be for the community to somehow be able to manufacture its own N900s (though with a faster CPU, more RAM and a GPS that actually works).

If the GTA04 had 1GB of RAM and a bigger screen, I'd buy one - even at that price. But it doesn't, and doesn't, and I can't understand why not.

Re:Specs and price and ordering (4, Insightful)

rtfa-troll (1340807) | more than 2 years ago | (#39003887)

Sadly, the project is rather late and I get 99% of what I've wanted out of my N900 for less than it would have cost to buy the Freerunner then this on top.

That's the whole point though. Up till now, if you bought a Nokia N900 or N9, you were worrying what happens when you lose the device in two years time and there isn't anything equivalent on the market. The OpenMoko phone looked like a failure since the company gave up. Now they begin to look visionary and just a little bit too early. We now know for sure that people are going to keep coming out with these hobbyist devices and that they are going to keep getting better and better. That means you can start to take the idea seriously and invest time effort and even money. This is the equivalent moment to the moment when the ISA bus was added to the IBM-PC. Suddenly you realise that you have an open Linux based mobile device architecture which has escaped from the control of the big companies that were initially involved in setting it up.

Re:Specs and price and ordering (1)

cthulhu11 (842924) | more than 2 years ago | (#39017083)

That's the whole point though. Up till now, if you bought a Nokia N900 or N9, you were worrying what happens when you lose the device in two years time and there isn't anything equivalent on the market.

Why would one worry? Two very easy options: 1) eBay 2) Get a normal, widely-available phone and spend the time saved looking for a girlfriend.

Re:Specs and price and ordering (1)

hobarrera (2008506) | more than 2 years ago | (#39096467)

I don't live in USA, so getting shipping from eBay is pretty imposible.

Re:Specs and price and ordering (2)

root_42 (103434) | more than 2 years ago | (#39003905)

Well, the N900 was a great platform, but you can't buy it anymore (at least here in Germany), since Nokia stopped producing it, I think. And the whole open Linux-based smartphone idea at Nokia died as well.

Re:Specs and price and ordering (2)

vyvepe (809573) | more than 2 years ago | (#39003999)

Isn't Nokia N9 (with MeeGo) a good enough successor? It definitely can be bought now (at least in EU).

Re:Specs and price and ordering (1, Informative)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 2 years ago | (#39004015)

No keyboard makes it useless for any serious use. It's a toy like iStuff.

Re:Specs and price and ordering (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39004193)

You mean iShit?

Re:Specs and price and ordering (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39004357)

There is the N950 then (That is harder to get however though).

Re:Specs and price and ordering (1)

hobarrera (2008506) | more than 2 years ago | (#39096481)

Imposible if you live outside the US.

Re:Specs and price and ordering (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39005319)

No keyboard makes it useless for any serious use. It's a toy like iStuff.

It won't talk to a bluetooth keyboard?

Re:Specs and price and ordering (1)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 2 years ago | (#39005417)

You mean, will that keyboard fit in your pocket?

Re:Specs and price and ordering (2)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 2 years ago | (#39006269)

You mean, will that keyboard fit in your pocket?

yes [google.com]

Re:Specs and price and ordering (1)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 2 years ago | (#39006821)

Nice, although unless there is some means to firmly affix them to the phone, they'd be of no use in any place I recently used my N900 in.

Re:Specs and price and ordering (1)

hobarrera (2008506) | more than 2 years ago | (#39096473)

Not really. The meego interface is quite inferior to maemo, al least for power users, and the lack of a hardware keyboard is a killer.
xterm + virtual keyboard. No thanks (I've tried it, by the way).

Re:Specs and price and ordering (1)

migla (1099771) | more than 2 years ago | (#39004119)

Yes, the euro symbol I typed turned into something else when I posted. Then I also noticed the 666 was for the board. Further down the list is indeed "GTA04 Complete", which is the new board in the old case, for 749 euro.

I too have the n900, which I bought instead of the more open but less functional at the time Freerunner. Not being Stallmannesquely pure, the n900 seemed like a good enough compromise to me.

I should get a spare n900 or two, while there still are used ones available.

Re:Specs and price and ordering (2)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#39004259)

Plus with my last experience with OpenMoko, making a phone call was still on their to-do list.

Re:Specs and price and ordering (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 2 years ago | (#39007293)

Short of the GSM modem/voice calling functionality, you can get 200%+ of the embedded computer for less than $200 USD. I can get a used/refurb

Hell, I can get a new/refurb HTC Sensation for about $250-300 USD on Ebay (not quite as 'open' yet but twice as spec'd and much more functional), or a (used) HTC HD2 for around $100 - still more device, and markedly more capable in terms of what it can do and what's available for it in terms of free software.

I know comparing a used/refurb device to a new one isn't exactly fair, but c'mon. It's 7x+ more expensive for just the board and it's got nothing to make it appealing over, oh, say, a Pandaboard or Beagleboard, which are both under $200.

iPhone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39003863)

We need to combine the freedom loving of the hacker, with the "shut up and take my money" retardedness of the apple customer, and combine it in one person.

Such a hybrid would have the greater hipness than the apple user, but more uber skills than the hacker. And would buy this no questions asked.

Re:Specs and price and ordering (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39003879)

666.66 was also the price of the apple I.

And you can even 3D-print your own case! (5, Interesting)

slyon (2571845) | more than 2 years ago | (#39003613)

I reworked the original Openmoko CAD files, to be 3D-printable. Checkout my work here: http://blog.slyon.de/3d-printed-gta04-case/ [slyon.de]

Re:And you can even 3D-print your own case! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39004165)

and you should print it yourself, as the original case-design is plain horrible. I mean the specs are nice, one can argue about the pricing, but why did they have to choose such a shoddy design?

Re:And you can even 3D-print your own case! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39004385)

Exactly. Especially that stupid locking tab design they have on that thing. I know it's a relatively common design but that doesn't mean it's any good. Those will break after opening the device once or twice and then it won't stay together. Horrible design.

Re:And you can even 3D-print your own case! (1)

quezz38 (990826) | more than 2 years ago | (#39010721)

I'm going to be 3d printing my next phone body. I hate that the competition to make thin devices has created so many sharp edged phones with forms that have no relationship to the human hand or pocket. Open hardware files are the key, thanks!

Wonder if Apple noticed (2)

sempir (1916194) | more than 2 years ago | (#39003643)

....Golden Delicious is a variety of apple. Maybe GD should have marketed the phone under their own name! ;~)

It's annoying when people (1)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 2 years ago | (#39004429)

Wonder if Apple noticed Golden Delicious is a variety of apple.

Yeah, but unfortunately it's also one of the most bland and tasteless, at least as far as the modern examples on the UK market are concerned. Not a good association for me.

That said, if they want to name their product after an Apple, fair enough. Would I be right in assuming that Apple couldn't do anything about this sort of thing unless it was likely to cause confusion with an existing Apple product anyway?

Re:It's annoying when people (2)

Abreu (173023) | more than 2 years ago | (#39005011)

Yeah, but "Granny Smith" gives it a wrong idea...

Re:It's annoying when people (2)

hawkinspeter (831501) | more than 2 years ago | (#39006523)

How about "Cox"?

Ugly... (2)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 2 years ago | (#39003667)

The screen seems kind of small for a Smart Phone, and the case is definitely ugly-ass... Couldn't they have made the case a bit more, er, cool? Or did they have to design it that way to avoid Apple design patents?

Re:Ugly... (2)

jonwil (467024) | more than 2 years ago | (#39003679)

I don't know how the hardware works but I bet its possible to come up with a better looking case that still fits the PCB and I bet it might be possible to use a larger (but still pin compatible) LCD screen (although that depends whether the touchscreen and LCD controllers on the GAT04 PCB are compatible with the newer touchscreen you choose to use)

Re:Ugly... (2)

justforgetme (1814588) | more than 2 years ago | (#39003717)

not to mention that you would have to print a custom case to house the new interfaces... GD are apparently trying to be as open as they can but I think they should try a bit more to enable their potential buyers by offering solutions for custom cases or general help on how to get it done efficiently and end up with high quality hw. Maybe they should partner up with some high quality touchscreen, display and battery manufacturers and suggest solutions for generating your own high quality custom components (buttons, cases) with multiple materials (plastics, metals, wood?).

I know some people who can afford it and would definitely go for a self tailored phone if they could make it happen with one or two couple k€.

Re:Ugly... (1)

mirix (1649853) | more than 2 years ago | (#39003823)

Yeah, looks like they kept the same ugly case from years ago. For compatibility I suppose?

You'd think if you have enough cash for the new board, the case isn't really too relevant.
Upgradable phone aspect is cool, sticking with the same form factor... but that only applies when the original doesn't suck!

I wish it had a keyboard... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39003691)

I was happy enough with my N800, but the N810 and N900 spoiled me, so now my N9 sucks. If this had a keyboard, I'd have already signed up.

Still, I wonder if it can be conjoined with one of those bluetooth strap-on keyboards for iPhones...

Re:I wish it had a keyboard... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39003843)

Who knew Apple customers used strap-ons?

Golden Delicious?! (1)

n1hilist (997601) | more than 2 years ago | (#39003693)

Golden Delicious .. GOLDEN DELICIOUS.. a German company? I see the Japanese culture bomb has been dropped good and proper! Maybe the name sounds tougher in German ;)

So it costs a bit less than my Galaxy S2 and is way uglier.. pass. Though I'm sure a lot of hardware & software hackers will have a field day with it.

Re:Golden Delicious?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39003725)

They're a dropshipped sex toy manufacturer in Germany who decided to PENETRATE the boutique consumer electronics market.

Re:Golden Delicious?! (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39003793)

Golden Delicious is a variety of apples

Re:Golden Delicious?! (3, Funny)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 2 years ago | (#39003819)

A variety known for being pretty (thus easy to sell) but quite tasteless.

Re:Golden Delicious?! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39004025)

Are we talking about food, or, Apple products here?

Re:Golden Delicious?! (1)

rwise2112 (648849) | more than 2 years ago | (#39004711)

Yes

This is a wonderful idea (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39003737)

It's also 1,000 dollars.

I'm interested and supportive, but not enough to shell out a grand.

I'm guessing they're targeting the independently-wealthy geeks sympathetic to open-source and open hardware standards who don't mind having a second phone or don't care about app marketplaces and such.... Wait a second, who is going to buy this phone?

Re:This is a wonderful idea (1)

mirix (1649853) | more than 2 years ago | (#39003833)

Well, that's why it's $1000, of course. Economy of scale doesn't really kick in on things like this. Which is sort of.. self... perpetuating.

Re:This is a wonderful idea (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#39003873)

And no free ones for developers. I wish they'd provide an easy-to-install version of the software for some mass-market phone. I just bought an HTC Desire (the original, now two years old), because with a 1GHz GPU, 800x480 AMOLED screen, and 512MB of RAM, it seemed like it has pretty decent specs. I paid £100 (no contract). It has an unlocked bootloader, so I can install something like Cyanogen on it trivially. If I could install the OpenMoko stuff, I'd be tempted to play with it and contribute a bit. But I'm not going to pay 7 times as much for a device with an unfinished software stack. Once they have a decent set of software, they could approach HTC, Samsung, or whoever and get them to do a version of one of their phones with it installed by default. Right now, the thing the project needs most is developer buy-in, and that won't happen if you say 'please contribute to our project, entry fee €666'.

Re:This is a wonderful idea (2)

thsths (31372) | more than 2 years ago | (#39004547)

> I wish they'd provide an easy-to-install version of the software for some mass-market phone.

Why that? You can already install CM in for example ZTE Blade, which has no restrictions in the boot loader or radio. Drivers are a bit of an issue, but the hardware is actually quite ok, if maybe a bit slow. But most of all it only sets you back 100 to 200 currency units.

Re:This is a wonderful idea (2)

thsths (31372) | more than 2 years ago | (#39004579)

PS: In case that isn't clear, I wonder what OpenMoko provides that CM doesn't. I am not aware of any advantage, and certainly not one worth hundreds.

Re:This is a wonderful idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39008363)

I bought one of the older ones. I'm not yet independently wealthy or nothing although some might consider me a bit more fanatical than an open source user. I don't quite live up to free software standards although aim toward them more than open source. I definitely dissagree with the open source guys on certain issues like non-fre firmware.

In any case I'm not looking to develoe anything. I'm looking for a phone that works as a phone. If the phone function is "good eough" (can dial, hear, recieve, and the signal works as well as an Android G1 phone you've sold me one).

As far as being independently wealthy is concerned... I'm getting there. :) A few more years of working for the company I founded out of college and I'll be able to retire. I'm 27 now and we are doing really well. YES! We only do free software too. Free software IS profitable if you have half a brain and put together a business model that works (there are many which have shown to be profitable- some failed for other reasons- ie stupid CEOs/founders stealing from the company etc).

All right! (2)

Mathness (145187) | more than 2 years ago | (#39003781)

I can finally play GTA on my Apple computer? Awesome. :p

iPhone killer (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39003785)

This is the open-source halo device that consumers will finally notice and then start switching to Linux desktop in droves as a result. Openmoko finally restores all the freedoms taken away by Apple's walled garden.

This is a game changer.

Re:iPhone killer (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#39007477)

This is the open-source halo device that consumers will finally notice and then start switching to Linux desktop in droves as a result. Openmoko finally restores all the freedoms taken away by Apple's walled garden.

This is a game changer.

Consumers.

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Does it phone (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39003817)

I own the previous version of the openmoko phone, and that one doesn't work very well.

Achievement (2)

BlueLightning (442320) | more than 2 years ago | (#39003967)

After meeting some of the people involved at FOSDEM this year I've joined the group buy for this device. It's a little on the expensive side, to be sure, but I joined not just because I would like the device itself but because I think they deserve support. It's pretty amazing that a small company such as theirs have been able to put together a working phone with most of the features you expect - sure it's not going to be the next iPhone killer, but it does have reasonable specs. I'm sure they had a lot of fun doing it as well, and I look forward to the opportunity to play with the hardware.

I'd encourage anyone who still has an older Neo1973 / Freerunner and who can spare the money to do the same.

Re:Achievement (1)

oddtodd (125924) | more than 2 years ago | (#39003987)

I've got 2 FreeRunners, one with a broken screen, and I'm seriously thinking about getting a GTA04 and new screen for some fun.
But jeez, that's some expensive fun.
I also switched to an N900 when it became apparent that the OpenMoko wasn't quite ready for dependable everyday use.

Any word on ICS port? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39003989)

and what about Angry Birds?

Damnit! (2)

sgt scrub (869860) | more than 2 years ago | (#39004009)

Golden Delicious offers a Debian Squeeze for ARMEL distribution featuring the lightweight LXDE desktop environment.

I wish I had $800 bucks to spend. :(

Re:Damnit! (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 2 years ago | (#39007355)

For about $100, you can get a used HD2 and put Debian or Ubuntu on it, if you wanted...

Simplify features, Drop price, Get geeks on board (4, Insightful)

Qubit (100461) | more than 2 years ago | (#39004043)

Do all of those things first, and for a price under $100, and you can establish a solid community of geeks willing to pay for a phone w/Open Hardware.

Here's the deal: I really want to encourage and support the OpenMoko folks, but with the original Freerunner I just couldn't justify buying something that didn't have even solid telephony features, didn't have much battery life, and wasn't in a price range I could even afford (as a student).

Look, all the geeks know that we don't have all of the parts figured out yet, and last I heard Welte is still working on the first fully-FOSS GSM stack, so it's not just as simple as putting the pieces together and selling enough units to hit your $100, 200, or 500 target price. But the thing is that $100 is a small enough number that I and most of the full-time-employed geek crowd out there can probably justify getting a v0.1 TotallyOpenPhone each year for the next 3-5 years. But we've got to convince both ourselves and our significant others (for those of us who have been consed) that this is a good or at least not-bad decision.

So how do we convince ourselves? Easy -- we say that this 2nd GSM phone can serve as a "backup" for our first phone, you know, if anything happens to it, or if we accidentally drop it down a flight of concrete stairs or drop it into the churn while making fresh butter in the morning (I don't care what Kilgore thinks; the smell of fresh butter is much better than napalm). This logic is excellent; it works even better the less you think about it.

ARMed with our bullet-proof logic, we can now easily divest our pocketbooks of $100 and hand it over to whoever is brave/smart/crazy enough to make a run of Open-Hardware phones. We give them the money now, and then -- here's the genius part -- we tell them that there's more where that came from, if they make us a better phone next year. If it's a much better phone with many more features, we might consider paying $150 or $200 for it, but we let them know that what will allow us to buy it (remember that part where we lied...umm... convinced ourselves that it was a good idea?) is the requirement that it be a solid, low-cost device.

$1000 is just way, way too high a price for a product like this. Unless there's a solid strategy to drastically cut the price of the phone each year over the next 3-5 years, I just can't see enough product shipping to make the business sustainable. And we really, REALLY do want it to be sustainable. We don't just want one Open Hardware Phone. We want to see competition and innovation. We want to see a marketplace of Open Hardware.

Re:Simplify features, Drop price, Get geeks on boa (1)

jonwil (467024) | more than 2 years ago | (#39004179)

The problem is not an open modem stack (in fact, many geeks are happy with phones where the modem is a black box), its convincing someone to sell you a modem chip-set or module at a reasonable price when you aren't making the massive quantity of handsets the big boys are making.

I think the biggest things the GTA04 team need to do (other than obvious improvements in the omap-side software stack) is to further negotiate with vendors to get more hardware information made public (e.g. finding a way to convince the vendor of the WiFi/Bluetooth chip to let them publish the schematic page for that chip) and to work with the makers of the UMTS module to improve the firmware to be more suitable for a cellphone vs the mobile broadband devices the module is usually used for.

Re:Simplify features, Drop price, Get geeks on boa (1)

Qubit (100461) | more than 2 years ago | (#39004717)

The problem is not an open modem stack ...I think the biggest things the GTA04 team need to do ...is to further negotiate with vendors to get more hardware information made public (e.g. finding a way to convince the vendor of the WiFi/Bluetooth chip to let them publish the schematic page for that chip)...

Is the primary issue that vendors of the miniature-sized versions of all of these chips and integrated boards aren't as open about releasing specs as we see in the desktop/server market?

There are a lot of different goals that a project like OpenMoko could have -- Open Hardware, a fully FOSS stack, over 2 days battery life, small form factor, etc... so I guess one of the first things to do is to define the goals of any particular device or family of devices.

For me, I think the idea of a fully-open phone system is pretty slick on its own, so I'd even consider buying an open system if they put it in big box and used higher-power components that would have to be plugged into the wall. The thing is that until we even get that model working, we don't have a starting point for improvement. Once you have a hacked-together phone working, then iterate, iterate, iterate until you get to something that can fit in your pocket, or that has a battery that will last a whole day without a recharge.

Re:Simplify features, Drop price, Get geeks on boa (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39006333)

$1000 is more expensive -- but not THAT much more expensive -- than most high-end phones on the market today. The problem with our perception of the price (especially in the US) is that nearly all high-end phones are sold on contract with a carrier. The actual price is a combination of what you pay up front (say, $199), and what you pay towards the phone over the two-year contract to which you commit yourself when you paid the up front cost. Paying for a GSM Samsung Galaxy Nexus outside of contract may run you upwards of $600 now, but when brand new cost much closer to $900. The cost on a phone like that is lower than $1000 only because of the large volume of sales. I don't know how many Openmoki GTA04 handsets will ever be sold, but I'm sure that the number is not high enough to bring the costs down.

Is there an actual problem with the price tag? $1000 is still more money than you're ever going to pay for a high-end mainstream smart phone. But is it too high for anyone to justify? Just a few years ago, most of the ./ crowd probably owned a laptop that easily cost over $1000 new. This phone can fill the void of a laptop for many applications, and makes up for it by being much more portable, and therefore accessible. Perhaps this esn't enough to justify for most people, but it's a perfectly reasonable way to justify a purchase for many people to whom this product appeals. On the other hand, if this phone were $199, I doubt _many_ of the people trashing its $1000 price tag would buy it. It is a product for a select subset of geeks, and people outside that group are not going to want it. Given that, I don't see the price as much of a problem.

Re:Simplify features, Drop price, Get geeks on boa (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39010271)

the problem is paying over a grand for something isn't top of the line, barely makes phone calls and has no sw.

compare that to android linux systems you can buy with hundred bucks, with closed umts side. compare that to a galaxy nexus that is a very nice device.

but really, putting a N9 and gta04 side by side.. ...and you'll start feeling really stupid for picking the gta04, except as a third hobby phone!

LinuxDevices = Gone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39004151)

BTW, I haven't seen an RSS update since Linux For Devices (or, more accurately, Ziff Davis Enterprise) was acquired by (apparently) QuinStreet out of California.
Tell me this isn't the end...

You mean there's hope for my 755p? (1)

outofluck70 (1734164) | more than 2 years ago | (#39004421)

It was the only mobile form factor I enjoyed working with. I dropped it and smashed the screen the summer the Droidx came out. And though I've enjoyed the Droid, I hung on the 755p because... well,$1000 is a bit rich, but I'll be holding on to the shell a bit longer now.

fir5t (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39004545)

Apples and video games? (1)

Brucelet (1857158) | more than 2 years ago | (#39004791)

I don't think there's a single word in the title that means what I thought it meant.

Most expensive phones (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39005515)

5. VIPN Black Diamond Smartphone: $300,000

"The body of this cell phone is made from titan"

No wonder it's so expensive. They had to go a loooong way to get the materials for it.

But what about the .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39006507)

But what about the fragmentation issue :)

The GTA02 was a total train-wreck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39009869)

I bought the GTA02 - and it was a total train wreck at almost every level. The hardware was directly broken (no GPS and GSM at the same time), terrible sound quality, awful battery life, and a GPU that only had enough ram to accelerate half the resolution of the screen.

but all of this was ok - there were workarounds or you just lived with it - BUT the software stack... or the many software stacks - were all in pre-alpha stage. Nothing worked - no phoning, no address-book, no sms, random reboots, ... I left it on the shelf for two years and tried again a while back, and it was just as bad.

Although they may have ironed out a lot of hardware bugs, I hold little hope for a usable mobile-phone software stack. Especially when the user (and developer) base is so tiny. Now you can just run Android - but then you could also buy a real phone (unless you have RMSlike principles)

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