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UK Law Enforcement Starts Seizing Music Blogs

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the your-computer-is-broadcasting-an-IP-address dept.

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Grumbleduke writes "From Dajaz1 (a site that is no stranger to unjustified copyright takedowns) we learn that the popular R&B website rnbxclusive.com (warning: threatening message on site) has allegedly been seized by the Serious Organized Crime Agency, a UK law enforcement agency, and its operators arrested on fraud charges. Not only does the replacement message contain a number of factually dubious claims, it also shows the visitor's IP address, browser and operating system, and threatens to track and monitor them. At a time when copyright lobby groups are strongly pushing for even greater powers through laws such as SOPA and ACTA, one is left wondering why they think they need them, when police can shut down websites such as this at will."

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Darknets (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39039179)

Time to switch to the darknets. At least until their generation dies off and some reason returns.

Re:Darknets (5, Insightful)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039333)

A nice thought, but the problem lies in the fact that it isn't just a single generation soaked with this particular poison.

If it were just a matter of waiting until Orrin Hatch died off, that would be easy. OTOH, the MPAA and RIAA likely employs an awful lot of 30-somethings, as well as a lot of duped people out there who swallowed their propaganda... and that's going to take at least half a century before they die off.

I'm afraid we're stuck with either fighting, or watching the whole thing get strangled.

There is no reliable means or method to hide anymore - no matter how many TOR nodes you traversed to get your packets here. If they cannot reach you now, they will find ways to insure that they can (a heavily-modified and enforced TPM on all devices, anyone?)

Better to fight them now than suffer under their burdens later.

Re:Darknets (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39039409)

I bet 7 proxies would be enough to keep from being tracked.

Re:Darknets (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39040007)

Not if the government finishes its work on the Trace-Buster-Buster-Buster-Buster-Buster-Buster-Buster-Buster.

Re:Darknets (5, Interesting)

History's Coming To (1059484) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039505)

I actually found it rather useful to test a IP/user-agent switching plugin. (I use it to test environment sensitive sections of websites I write). All works fine, which IP address would they like me to come from?

The irony with this whol thing is I'm anti-piracy, I'm one of those weirdos who thinks artists deserve to get money for what they produce, however easy it is to copy bit for bit. But that SOCA message strikes me offensive and wildly accusatory that I'm starting to think my anti-piracy crusade needs to go on the back burner while I deal with the important thing, keeping the internet free.

Re:Darknets (5, Insightful)

Nethemas the Great (909900) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039589)

You're not weird. Most people believe artist should be compensated for their work. The trouble is the MPAA/RIAA, their ilk and their members do not.

Re:Darknets (1)

flyneye (84093) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039661)

Yeah, well I noticed the U.K. serious sissy patrol neglected to leave any contact information so I could ridicule them about tracking me and offer them a taste of my stool. Common tactic.

Re:Darknets (5, Interesting)

whoever57 (658626) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039733)

Yeah, well I noticed the U.K. serious sissy patrol neglected to leave any contact information so I could ridicule them about tracking me and offer them a taste of my stool

So leave a message in their logs, go to: http://rnbxclusive.com/SOCA_Are_Wankers [rnbxclusive.com] or some similar URL

Re:Darknets (5, Informative)

sugarbomb (22289) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039995)

Complain away!

http://www.soca.gov.uk/contact-soca/complaints [soca.gov.uk]

Complaints
We do our utmost to provide the public with the best possible service, and to act professionally and courteously at all times. However if you want to complain about SOCA or a SOCA officer, first please look at our complaints process

Then, if you wish to make a complaint, you can contact:

SOCA Counter Corruption Department
PO Box 58396,
London
NW1W 9SB

Telephone: 020 7238 2626
Email: publiccomplaints@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk

If you would rather complain to the Independent Police Complaints Commission or you are not happy with the way your complaint about a SOCA officer has been handled, you should contact:

The Independent Police Complaints Commission
90 High Holborn
London
WC1V 6BH

Telephone: 08453 002 002
Email: enquiries@ipcc.gsi.gov.uk

Re:Darknets (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39040075)

There are only so many combinations of words, and so many combinations of posible note configurations (within say a 5m song)

Eventually we run out, then what?

Re:Darknets (4, Insightful)

wbr1 (2538558) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039773)

You'r not strange at all. I beleive artists should be paid. However, as the music industry stand most get paid a pittance while corps rake in huge money and spend it on ways to make more with lobbying, and pay execs self congratulatory fortunes. The record company model made far more sense when tney had to fund expensive studios, and actually manufacture a physical product. Now it has morphed into simple greed, and inertia and money keep it moving.

Re:Darknets (5, Interesting)

gmack (197796) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039823)

I understand your offense but I wonder if anyone has considered that this whole thing could be a hoax.

  Domain servers in listed order:
        SK.S7.ANS1.NS103.KLCZY.COM
        SK.S7.ANS2.NS103.KLCZY.COM

If a government agency had grabbed the domain wouldn't they have changed the hosting to something they control rather than some cheap name service whose homepage seems to only be an ad portal?

False dichotomy (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39039861)

Opposing artificial scarcity is not the same thing as preventing artists from being paid for their work. It just means the artists need to adapt their business model to one that better monetizes the production of an abundant good. Those who think this can't be done are either lying or intentionally ignorant.

Re:Darknets (1)

Fned (43219) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039897)

...I'm one of those weirdos who thinks artists deserve to get money for what they produce, however easy it is to copy bit for bit.

Artists produce copies? Weird, I thought they produced creative works.

Maybe if copies were still worth something, charging for them would still make sense.

Re:Darknets (1, Interesting)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039911)

There is NOTHING ironic about it! Don't muddy the waters even a little bit. None of us fighting against censorship and government control are pro-piracy. The people stealing music who can't be bothered to cough up a dollar for that pop song they like don't give two shits about the long-term damage they're causing to freedom of expression. They're not on our side, they're one side of the war of greed, the mafIAA is on the other. Our rights and the artists are stuck in between.

A thousand times: being opposed to draconian schemes to crack down on your freedom like this DOES NOT MAKE YOU PRO-PIRACY.

Re:Darknets (1)

russotto (537200) | more than 2 years ago | (#39040031)

I actually found it rather useful to test a IP/user-agent switching plugin. (I use it to test environment sensitive sections of websites I write). All works fine, which IP address would they like me to come from?

Didn't work for me. My operating system came out as "unknown", despite being bog-standard Safari on a Mac running Snow Leopard.

Re:Darknets (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39039481)

Assholes are born into every generation. And, the stupid people that swallow all their shit are also. Good luck to the rest.

Re:Darknets (3, Interesting)

AaronLS (1804210) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039715)

The manipulators, and the manipulated. The biggest problem with this world.

This woman I worked with got a hoax email saying mars would appear the next night as big as the moon, supposedly from NASA(which had themselves published an article saying they were not the source of the email and that it was hoax). I told her it was a hoax, to save her the disappointment of taking her kids to stare at the bland city lit sky all night. She got pissed off at me, like I was some horrible person who must be an idiot because she was convinced the email was originated by NASA.

This is the typical hostile response of these gullible idiots across the full spectrum of bullshit, from meaningless trolling hoaxes to political deception and corruption. How dare you try to make them aware that they are idiots.

It was no surprise to me at the time that as an army reservist(not saying this is typical of all reservists, just a side note of her perspective) she bought into the whole "We have to kill 3000 Iraqis to make up for 9/11 and stop them from making weapons of mass destruction" as well as the "If you oppose the war then you are a treasonous bastard and you must hate America". She was also the one coworker who required my help more than anyone else. Almost constantly I was rolling over to her desk in response to her mind boggling failure to do her job independently and apply problem solving skills to the hurdles she encountered.

Re:Darknets (1)

arisvega (1414195) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039947)

Indeed.

"Your IP: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" (note: not my IP)

"Your Browser: Unknown"

"Your OS: Unknown"

fight the powers (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39039181)

First post

Re:fight the powers (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39039461)

First post fail

Tee-hee (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39039211)

Does anyone else giggle when they read "Serious Organized Crime Agency" with a deep voice?

Re:Tee-hee (3, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039249)

Does anyone else giggle when they read "Serious Organized Crime Agency" with a deep voice?

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Re:Tee-hee (1)

pinfall (2430412) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039309)

If only some python-esque troop would come to our rescue and mock these ludicrous web police into a stupor.
That's not funny! Enough of that!

Re:Tee-hee (3, Funny)

AaronLS (1804210) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039731)

They would be arrested and tried for copying the ideas of Monty Python.

Re:Tee-hee (1)

wbr1 (2538558) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039839)

Their office is next door to the Ministry of Funny Walks.

Re:Tee-hee (4, Funny)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039285)

Sounds like something a 10 year old came up with. "I'm the head of the Very Important Government Stuff!!"

Re:Tee-hee (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39039519)

oo oo oo *jumps up and down* and the law and order sound at the end, too!

Re:Tee-hee (1)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039551)

Well they have to somehow distinguish themselves from the "Just For Laughs Organized Crimes Agency"

Re:Tee-hee (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039941)

I read "SOPA" first. It was like in some horror movie where toward the end, the bad guy stands up, and the good guy is like "YOU!?!? BUT... BUT WE KILLED YOU!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOoh wait, my mistake, I thought you were someone else. Sorry."

Thanks SOCA (4, Insightful)

viperidaenz (2515578) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039223)

for assuming you have jurisdiction in my country.

"About SOCA"

SOCA tackles serious organised crime that affects the UK and our citizens. This includes Class A drugs, people smuggling and human trafficking, major gun crime, fraud, computer crime and money laundering. and downloading american music

ftfy.

Re:Thanks SOCA (1)

Foxhoundz (2015516) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039337)

for assuming you have jurisdiction in my country.

What makes you think they can't request your government to extradite you?

Re:Thanks SOCA (1)

lightknight (213164) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039451)

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the crime did not occur on American soil?

Re:Thanks SOCA (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39039501)

are you sure you understand what 'extradition' means?

Re:Thanks SOCA (3, Insightful)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039531)

Like that ever stopped the MAFIAA before. Get accused of downloading any American 'intellectual property' anywhere on the planet and expect to get put on a 'deport to the US please' list forwarded to your local national government.

I'm thinkin mebbe we oughta move offplanet, make it more expensive to come after us...

Re:Thanks SOCA (0, Troll)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039653)

I'm thinkin mebbe we oughta move offplanet, make it more expensive to come after us...

Yep, either that or buy your music, whatever's easier.

Re:Thanks SOCA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39039949)

It certainly is easier to set precedence for international law. I imagine you might be more upset if the cops showed up at your house to arrest you because China accused you of something. There seems to be a Think of the music [slashdot.org] tone to support these actions.

Re:Thanks SOCA (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039569)

They're having a hard enough time extraditing Kim Dotcom

Re:Thanks SOCA (3, Interesting)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039813)

They still haven't even filed the request to do so. And they have only until March 3 to do that.

Re:Thanks SOCA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39039801)

If it's downloading American music, I can only conclude that the fraudulent act being investigated is Auto-Tuned music.

Thank you SOCA. Carry on the good work.

Serious Organized Crime Agency (4, Insightful)

microbee (682094) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039231)

One wonders what that means: is it an agency against serious organized crime, or is one to commit the crime itself?

Re:Serious Organized Crime Agency (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39039273)

I'm not sure, but it's the latest revision of the Organised Crime Agency. The last one kept goofing off all the time.

Re:Serious Organized Crime Agency (1)

networkBoy (774728) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039303)

That's because they used to be under the umbrella of the ministry of silly walks, but they have since been re-chartered under the MOD.
-nB

Re:Serious Organized Crime Agency (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039955)

Quick, someone copyright "the No-shit-we-ain't-joking-around organized crime agency" so they'll have to buy it from you.

Re:Serious Organized Crime Agency (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039413)

Like there's a difference these days?

Good luck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39039267)

it also shows the visitor's IP address, browser and operating system, and threatens to track and monitor them

Good luck with that - they just got Slashdotted!

Looks Fake (5, Insightful)

Olipro (1531021) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039287)

whois indicates the original owner still controls the domain, the server itself is Rackspace owned whereas SOCA's own website is run themselves via Connect Internet Solutions Ltd. - throw in the fact that SOCA haven't made any announcement or press release regarding the alleged takedown and the whole thing looks like a setup, I call shenanigans.

Re:Looks Fake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39039335)

Looks Fake

No, it looks like exactly what I would expect from the dimwit that came up with the name "Serious Organized Crime Agency".

Re:Looks Fake (1)

Dan541 (1032000) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039577)

It tells me that my Operating System is "NT" not specifically NT 6.1 or Win7 and my browser is "Desktop".

Re:Looks Fake (1)

Sarten-X (1102295) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039631)

My OS is Unknown, but my browser is also "Desktop". I guess an iPad could serve as a very small desk...

Re:Looks Fake (1)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039347)

Actually, the server's hosted by Private Layer in Switzerland. But I still don't think this is actually seized by SOCA at all (especially since SOCA would have no jurisdiction to seize a domain held by Godaddy, an American company).

Re:Looks Fake (2)

whoever57 (658626) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039875)

Actually, the server's hosted by Private Layer in Switzerland.

Doesn't look like it to me. Looks like Rackspace in the UK:
traceroute to rnbxclusive.com (83.138.166.114), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
....
4 nyk-b2-link.telia.net (213.248.83.105) 0.621 ms 0.601 ms 0.581 ms
5 nyk-bb2-link.telia.net (80.91.245.246) 0.560 ms 0.554 ms 0.537 ms
6 ldn-bb2-link.telia.net (213.248.65.93) 70.682 ms 70.634 ms 70.836 ms
7 ldn-b4-link.telia.net (80.91.251.13) 71.043 ms 71.016 ms 70.986 ms
8 rackspace-ic-132020-ldn-b4.c.telia.net (213.248.85.202) 72.684 ms 70.921 ms 71.109 ms
9 vl912.core5a.lon3.rackspace.net (92.52.76.245) 73.318 ms 73.291 ms vl911.core5a.lon3.rackspace.net (92.52.76.203) 73.002 ms
10 aggr310a-core5a.lon3.rackspace.net (92.52.76.111) 72.219 ms 71.905 ms 72.352 ms
11 S82574.clubonside.dk (83.138.166.114) 74.882 ms 75.357 ms 75.543 ms

# whois 83.138.166.114
...
% Information related to '83.138.166.64 - 83.138.166.127'
inetnum: 83.138.166.64 - 83.138.166.127
netname: RSPC-UK-RACKSPACE-INTERNAL
remarks:
descr: Rackspace Managed Hosting
country: GB
admin-c: IA247-RIPE

Re:Looks Fake (4, Interesting)

Olipro (1531021) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039381)

according to a commenter elsewhere, they apparently phoned SOCA's press office and asserted it to be genuine, so, perhaps I stand corrected.

Re:Looks Fake (1)

realityimpaired (1668397) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039855)

To add to your suspicions... the blog in question is not one I've ever heard of. Now, I make no claims about being any sort of authority on the entire content of the Internet, but the first question that occurred to me on reading the summary was "does anybody here follow the blog in question, and if so, does it actually advocate piracy or promote the theft of property in any way?"

UK police are... special... at times. But they're not stupid. They wouldn't make a move against a website unless that website was actually doing something illegal. Coupled with your own information, I am now asking "is this an attempt to raise the profile of the blog, so that a few days from now when they are 'proven innocent', they'll have more hits?"

Is that a real thing? (5, Informative)

mosb1000 (710161) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039293)

I can't believe there's actually a crime fighting organization called the Serious Organized Crime Agency [wikipedia.org] . It's hard to imagine how they could have a sillier name, or who would feel threatened by something called that. Maybe they should upgrade it to the Super Serious Organized Crime Agency, or maybe even Super Serious Organized Crime Agency Plus.

Re:Is that a real thing? (2)

kurzweilfreak (829276) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039329)

They were planning on adding the Plus to the upcoming Super Serious Organized Crime Agency name that they're about to put into effect, but their CEO, ManBearPig, said that was going a little over the top.

Re:Is that a real thing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39039479)

How about Crime, Rackets and Associates Police? (CRAP for short)

Re:Is that a real thing? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39039585)

I certainly wouldn't cross the Soccer Organization of Charlottesville-Albemarle

Soccer moms by day.
Crime fighters by night.

Re:Is that a real thing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39039611)

They probably don't want to get sued by Capcom for prefixing Super to a title. Or for appending actiony/emphasizingy words to a title.

Re:Is that a real thing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39039643)

They're super serial, guys!

--
Al Gore

Re:Is that a real thing? (1)

Hentes (2461350) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039927)

I would like to live in England if music piracy is the most serious crime over there.

Time to Slashdot them... (2)

lancelet (898272) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039319)

Everyone should visit the site with the threatening message. It's time to put the Slashdot effect to good use! :-)

Re:Time to Slashdot them... (2)

pla (258480) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039391)

Everyone should visit the site with the threatening message. It's time to put the Slashdot effect to good use! :-)

Unfortunately, they don't have a feedback form.

Fortunately, if they mean that page at all threateningly, they will probably at least take a glance at the logs - So make sure to not just go to the base domain, but also
rnbxclusive.com/fuck_off_and_die_fascist_pigs
rnbxclusive.com/superinjunction_THIS_filth
rnbxclusive.com/couldnt_find_anyone_jaywalking_eh_thats_some_mighty_fine_police_work_there_lou.

Get creative.

Re:Time to Slashdot them... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39039499)

rnbxclusive.com/smd [rnbxclusive.com] should get the message across fine.

Re:Time to Slashdot them... (1)

Mitsoid (837831) | more than 2 years ago | (#39040033)

TERRORISM http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terrorism [merriam-webster.com]
1: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion

Governments using terrorism to control people then claiming we (the world) need to fight terrorism...

Looks like we need to fight our governments then... I'm not a fan of anarchy though, so I'd recommend simply writing a strongly worded letter to the government to inform them they are engaging in acts of terrorism.
It's actually a funny joke..... Our governments are using what we are fighting...

Complaints link: http://www.soca.gov.uk/contact-soca/complaints [soca.gov.uk]

Re:Time to Slashdot them... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39040091)

Jaywalking does not exist as a crime here in the UK.

AC to preserve moderation.

djehuty3

Re:Time to Slashdot them... (1)

medv4380 (1604309) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039425)

hmm... what would happen if a bot net instead of doing a DoS just had every user "browse" that site?

Re:Time to Slashdot them... (4, Informative)

Blue Stone (582566) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039683)

As a result of illegal downloads young, emerging artists may have had their careers damaged. If you have illegally downloaded music you will have damaged the future of the music industry. [emphasis mine]

Hilarious.

A perfect union of government law enforcement and lying, deceitful, dishonest, morally corrupt shysters (called the music industry) in operation. Zero facts. Zero credibility and destroying the credibility of SOCA's serious work with the alienating, dishohonest hyperbole the seized website now displays.

Every major study published independently has suggested that the opposite of what they say is true. So where the hell do they get off nakedly lying like that? I guess all pretence at independence is gone and they don't mind being seen to be little more that RIAA, BMI (et all) shills.

Makes you realise who's really running government and their institutions in this day and age.

Google... (1)

ElementOfDestruction (2024308) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039339)

Google one of the first phrases "If you have downloaded music"+SOPA; the only results are from the last three hours.

I call scam - all jokes aside, could you see government wasting their money taking a site down, then putting up a message like that? Furthermore, can we have an expert on the legality of downloading music (I always thought infringement came with uploading...)?

Serious Organized Crime Agency (1)

trip23 (727132) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039359)

I actually enjoyed

If you have downloaded music using this website you may have committed a criminal offence which carries a maximum penalty of up to 10 years

Seriously, is SOCA known for taking down sites? On there website they have

Have you received correspondence purporting to be from SOCA and want to verify its authenticity?
http://www.soca.gov.uk/contact-soca [soca.gov.uk]

It kinda sounds fishy to me.. Anyway now they're collecting tons of IP-addresses of Slashdotters who can't resist to click on links.

Re:Serious Organized Crime Agency (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39039389)

Anyway now they're collecting tons of IP-addresses of Slashdotters who can't resist to click on links.

Slashdotters? Reading anything past TFS, let alone TFA or links contained therein?

Thanks, man, I needed a good laugh like that.

Re:Serious Organized Crime Agency (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39039641)

Have you received correspondence purporting to be from SOCA and want to verify its authenticity?
http://www.soca.gov.uk/contact-soca

Found two email addresses that could possible work.
publiccomplaints@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk [mailto]
enquiries@ipcc.gsi.gov.uk [mailto]

Re:Serious Organized Crime Agency (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39039689)

Really, download music carries max penalty of 10 years? How about robbing people money?
How about police killing innocents? How about politicians misused public resources?
How about ... whatever, I was thinking what 'anonymous' is inappropiate and border line terrorists. But I think they might be right, with these kind of government, no government might be a better option.

Re:Serious Organized Crime Agency (1)

Stoutlimb (143245) | more than 2 years ago | (#39040015)

The penalties for copyright infringement are getting absurd, considering in British Columbia a guy who had a huge child porn collection got 3 years in prison. This despite the fact he was HIV positive and raped a 14 year old boy because he likes to spread the disease.

When stepping on the toes of those who buy politicians becomes the worst crime in the land, it's time to burn the whole system down and start from scratch.

Strange? (1)

znx (847738) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039363)

Am I the only one that thinks it strange that SOCA would endorse another site; even a site provided by international music groups. I also think the second link makes a really good point, SOCA seizing a .com is a little strange. I don't think they'd threaten either, after all it will all be logs from the past not at the point of takedown that would interest them.

All in all a little strange.

It is my understanding... (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039371)

I get the impression that, no matter how rosy the state of the industry or how sweeping the existing state powers, the push for harsher 'anti-piracy' legislation will continue until such time as the primary task of the world's security forces will be the summary execution of those suspected to be guilty of insufficient music purchase during the preceding fiscal year.

Re:It is my understanding... (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039439)

Dingdingding. Got it in one, mushroom. Add to that, taxpayer money to make up the difference between what they got and what they claim they should be getting, and you got yourelf a law.

Re:It is my understanding... (1)

AaronLS (1804210) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039521)

"yourelf"
I have an elf?! I hope he is not like the underpants gnomes, whom cause me great frustration in the morning when getting dressed.

Re:It is my understanding... (1)

lightknight (213164) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039617)

*Shrugs* Content-enforcement does not, over the long run, keep the economy afloat. It's unfortunate, but that's part of the reason for the limitations on Intellectual Property -> "We will back up your monopoly on this set of works that you have created for a set period of time with all our might, but after that, it's public domain." The copyright owners, however, have gone a little insane here, and have repeatedly changed those terms through successful lobbying. This poses something of a problem, as greed & stupidity know no limits, and taken to its logical extreme, will result in future populaces being implanted with chips in their brains to help them "forget" content.

See, the original design of Intellectual Property was many fold: 1.) It ensured the inventor / creator got paid, which promotes research and development, 2.) It prevents the inventor / creator from going to the grave with their marvelous invention / songs / writings / whatever locked up in their skull (Bob built an amazing machine, but no one knows how, and now Bob is dead; Ashley wrote this incredible song, but never actually wrote it down, for fear someone would copy it), and 3.) It helps grow society / advance it through freedom of invention (each succeeding generation becomes "richer" in culture / ideas / actual wealth than the previous one, on the basis of societal inheritance).

     

Archive.org to the rescue (4, Funny)

Necroman (61604) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039437)

So, I wanted to see what was so bad about this site, so I checked out the latest cached version of it from archive.org [archive.org] . It looks like the site wasn't hosting anything that was copyrighted, but provided links to copyrighted content (their downloads from June 2011 seem to use HulkShare.com, but those links are dead).

It's hard to say if he was just providing linking to illegal content or if he was uploading the files to the file sharing sites himself and then providing a link.

Re:Archive.org to the rescue (2)

pbhj (607776) | more than 2 years ago | (#39040043)

You know about this? http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/13/us-filesharing-extradition-idUSTRE80C15C20120113 [reuters.com]

A UK subject is being extradited for actions that his lawyers say are not illegal in the UK (I'm inclined to agree, immoral as they are).

Basically US media companies are currently somehow managing to own worldwide formerly-democratic states to the extent of enforcing US law in, for example, Australia and the UK.

SOCA? (1)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039493)

This is one Soca that I won't dance to.

--
BMO

Fake (1)

M0j0_j0j0 (1250800) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039497)

All of it, from start to beginning.

Here's some more IPs (1)

AaronLS (1804210) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039503)

I like the idea that this being posted on slashdot means their list of IPs is going to get quite large and unwieldy. Are we all going to get extradited? Free trip to UK?

Phew (2)

kyrio (1091003) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039513)

It's a good thing it's legal for me to download music in my country because I pay a tax on all blank media and that money goes to all of those poor artists (no it doesn't) that had their careers ruined by my [lack of] downloading their music.

My favorite part (1)

atari2600a (1892574) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039571)

My browser is 'Desktop' & my OS is 'UNIX'. My user agent explicitly lists 'chrome' & 'linux x86_64'.

Re:My favorite part (1)

Deorus (811828) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039665)

My browser is Desktop and my OS is Unknown ... on an iPhone [imgur.com] ...

Re:My favorite part (1)

phil reed (626) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039711)

I'm on a Mac with Chrome, got the same "Desktop" and "Unknown".

Blatantly fake. (4, Interesting)

gallondr00nk (868673) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039579)

Come on, it doesn't even look real. Anyone can relay back browser information. Look at the language. "Arrested for fraud", "damaged the future of the music industry". Official notices don't look like this. They don't go off on stupid tangents about destroying the music industry.

There's some corporate shilling going on here, almost certainly.

I really hope that's the case (1)

Sparx139 (1460489) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039771)

And I also hope that they find whoever is behind it, hopefully someone in the record industry rather than someone pulling a prank. There'd be hell to pay :D

Re:Blatantly fake. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39039799)

And why would a Government posting have a copyright notice.
And why would the Government notice say "Visit pro-music.org for a list of legal music sites on the web"

Analysis (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39039627)

Well, apparently the agency does care about IP href="http://http://www.soca.gov.uk/threats/intellectual-property-crime"> [soca.gov.uk]
The Whois shows it's still owned by 'Suheil Saiyed'; last update Jan 4.
The IP address the domain currently points to (83.138.166.114) is in San Antonio, Texas, and is owned by Rackspace.com, an American company.
The wording on the adver..erm..warning is over-the-top, and is unlikely to have originated from a real governmental agency.
also, it specifically references a commercial site (something a real government agency wouldn't do).
Here's an article on Ars Technica about a similar incident IP href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/06/no-the-feds-didnt-seize-your-domain-youve-just-been-punked.ars"> [Ars Technica]
All in all, I'm pretty sure it's a hoax.
And I'm suspecting the folks behind pro-music.org (the site referenced in the 'warning').

Seriously? (1)

epp_b (944299) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039645)

They have a law with "Serious" in the title as a descriptor? It must be Serious Business!

That logo was clearly designed by a ten year old. (1)

niallj (877350) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039669)

Seems likely to be a fake. I really hoped the logo was fake too, but it seems not. That is their actual logo. Nothing says "we're serious about catching criminals" like a stylized Jaguar logo.

Wow. (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039749)

They're really cracking down on those evil music downloaders, aren't they? This is surely a worthy cause and we need to spend twice the amount of taxpayer money going after these most heinous of criminals.

Online predators? (1)

J'raxis (248192) | more than 2 years ago | (#39039817)

SOCA's arms [rnbxclusive.com] depict a predatory animal mauling the globe. What an appropriate and refreshingly honest emblem for a state agency.

UK = not worth living in, period. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39039881)

Everyone who gets rich leaves the UK because they need to in order to avoid being taxed
to death.

Now, it looks like the rest of the citizens need to leave in order to avoid being watched 24/7
by the police state Britain has become.

Oh, and the weather sucks too.

I guess maybe Amy Winehouse might have been onto
something when she committed suicide.

Re:UK = not worth living in, period. (1)

koan (80826) | more than 2 years ago | (#39040065)

Don't forget the food!!!

Terror (2)

koan (80826) | more than 2 years ago | (#39040051)

This is terrorism 101, scare the crap out of everyone because the laws and filters aren't going to work, yeah I know calling ti terrorism is hyperbole and dilutes the meaning but it's so timely. =) (smiley on /. infidel!)
Check this out: http://pastebin.com/pVmAZqWY [pastebin.com]
How many factual errors can you find?

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