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An Early Look At Mac OS X 10.8

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the more-bricks-for-the-garden-wall dept.

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adeelarshad82 writes "Earlier today Apple announced their next OS, Mountain Lion. According to an early look, OS X 10.8 does more to integrate social networking and file-synching into a personal computer than any other OS. It tightly integrates with the whole Apple ecosystem that includes iOS devices and the free iCloud sharing service. Moreover Mountain Lion adds a powerful new line of defense against future threats where a malware app is prevented from running even if it is deliberately downloaded to a computer. Even though Apple's clearly got a lot of fine-tuning to do—and possibly a few features to add, there's no doubt that Mountain Lion already looks very fine." Update: 02/16 15:04 GMT by T : New submitter StephenBrannen writes with some more details culled from CNET. The newest OS X has now been released to developers, with an official release date planned for this summer. "Mountain Lion, as it is called, will further blur the lines between iOS and its Mac OS. iOS features that are being ported include: Messages (replacing iChat), Notification Center, Game Center, Notes, and AirPlay mirroring. Also new to Mac OS is the addition of Gatekeeper, which should help prevent malware attacks on Apple products. Not announced is whether Siri will be ported to the Mac."

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OMG! OMG! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059343)

OMG! OMG! OMG!!!! New Apple news!!! I'm jizzing myself!!!

-Sent from my iFag Device

Re:OMG! OMG! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059393)

Isn't Fag out of the lexicon by now?

Re:OMG! OMG! (-1, Offtopic)

zero.kalvin (1231372) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059431)

I will risk saying this without the Anonumous box checked, what the fuck is going on with the mass histeria? As if we are curing cancer several times per year now! It is a damn gadget, and a nice looking one to be honest, but a gadget it remains. There is always rumors about a new iOS, or a new iPad or a new iPhone and somehow people get are juiced about them, in the end I just can't reconcile this enthusiams the people are having with the immorality of how these things are created. So Fuck you! ( Now down mod me all you want )

Re:OMG! OMG! (-1, Offtopic)

zero.kalvin (1231372) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059469)

Clarification, I know I am bitching about iThings while the article is about something else.

Re:OMG! OMG! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059699)

I hope you've never bought anyone a diamond. If so, FUCK YOU!

Re:OMG! OMG! (4, Insightful)

JBMcB (73720) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059773)

What do you think this website is? It's for geeks. Geeks like gadgets, and talking about gadgets. If you don't like these posts, filter them out, or go somewhere else.

Re:OMG! OMG! (4, Funny)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059893)

True Apple Haters know that Apple stuff are not gadgets, they are [insert degrading fashion term for gadgets here]!!! No geek would like [repeat what I said on previous degrading insert, amp it up by preceding it with the word "shitty"]!!!

Re:OMG! OMG! (1, Insightful)

zero.kalvin (1231372) | more than 2 years ago | (#39060009)

You are missing the point, and this is not about slashdot, just because I said something here, it is not an attack on slashdot, on the contrary I find it refreshing that I am voicing my opinion here. Now even if there was no moral ambiguity about these gadgets, beyond a certain level this histeria that these gadgets are getting is not healthy, and there is absolutly nothing wrong in talking about them, but it is just how culturally ( the geek one specifically ) we are responding to them. Second of all, with all what we know now, concerning the conditions on how these gadgets are created, I find it pitiful that the story is not getting paid enough attention ( And on slashdot there have been 2 or 3 stories in the last 2 weeks about this), and sad that ( as far as I know) no one is calling Apple boycot over this. Yes we are geeks, but we are humans first, and pardon me but my convictions on how humans should be treated trumps all interest in gadgets and alike.

Re:OMG! OMG! (5, Funny)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059849)

I will risk saying this without the Anonumous box checked

Look out, we've got a badass over here.

The only hysteria I see is the people going off on rants and/or tossing out homophobic slurs (like Mr. AC above) when there is Apple news. Seriously, any Apple news here or on Ars or Wired has endless "Derp! iFag! iSheep! iHerd! Nothing I don't like should be allowed to exist!" in the comments.

There's thousands of popular things out there I don't care for. I ignore them for the most part.

So Fuck you!

Oh, yeah, no overreaction in your post at all.

Re:OMG! OMG! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059917)

After reading the article, I failed to find any hint of exaggeration that would merit the comparison to curing cancer. This is slashdot. It's about gadgets and tech. Updates to an OS, especially those that change the nature of the desktop/laptop experience, are worthy of a post. And I'm not just an Apple fan -- I would find it just as interesting to learn of new updates from Microsoft, HP, Linux, or any of the other players.

If you are feeling frustrated, perhaps you should spend your time elsewhere until you've regained (or developed) a sense of objectivity. About the only thing that has me puzzled is how the parent post rated a 5.

Re:OMG! OMG! (1)

Truedat (2545458) | more than 2 years ago | (#39060001)

I will risk saying this without the Anonumous box checked, what the fuck is going on with the mass histeria? As if we are curing cancer several times per year now! It is a damn gadget, and a nice looking one to be honest, but a gadget it remains.

Well this is a gadget website amongst other things, and the headline clearly mentioned apple. Anyway it's not as if the existence of this story means there is now less space on the interweb for cancer-talk.

Re:OMG! OMG! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059577)

I can tweet right from my apps! This must be the promised land!

Re:OMG! OMG! (0)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059621)

It's so groundbreaking! So visionary! No one else had ever thought to do something like this before!!

Re:OMG! OMG! (2, Funny)

Mojo66 (1131579) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059935)

It's so groundbreaking! So visionary! No one else had ever thought to do something like this before!!

You mean like putting a touch interface over Windows 7?

Oh Boy!! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059345)

I hope the fuck up the goddamned scroll again, cuz that was frickin SWEET!

Re:Oh Boy!! (3, Funny)

Megane (129182) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059719)

Hey, Napoleon, did you hear that 10.9 is going to be named "Liger"?

Hear that, MSFT? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059373)

Hear that, Microsoft? You could bundle a years worth of Windows Updates, give it a catty name, and sell it for $30! Wake up and smell the revenue!

Re:Hear that, MSFT? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059515)

Why bother? Change the package coloring, claim it's the most secure version of Windows and sell the upgrade for $150.

Re:Hear that, MSFT? (1)

Shifty0x88 (1732980) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059783)

OS X 10.8 does more to integrate social networking and file-synching into a personal computer than any other OS I've seen.

New version done, NEXT!

Oh and not everyone needs that shiat! (I know, I know I'm the only one that doesn't but still....)

Re:Hear that, MSFT? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059591)

I can hear it now "M$ IS JUST TRYING TO SQUEEZE MORE MONEY OUT OF PEOPLE. There is no reason to upgrade because Windows 7 works fine and this upgrade isn't big enough to matter. It's just Windows 7 Service Pack 2...."

When Microsoft does something it's evil and will never work and nobody wants it etc... Imagine the uproar if you heard that Microsoft could remotely prevent apps from running...

But when Apple does something it's a good idea and boy-howdy let's go buy it right now!

There's never been a company that has faced more double-standards and moving goalposts than MS.

Re:Hear that, MSFT? (3, Insightful)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059995)

The difference is that MS charge over $100 for the upgrade, while Apple charge $30...
Because of the cheaper price, people will obviously have more tolerance for more frequent but smaller updates.

Also, Apple lets you install a single copy on multiple machines, MS doesn't, so if you have more than one mac the apple deal is even cheaper still.

Re:Hear that, MSFT? (4, Interesting)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059597)

Why do that when they can just charge 200 bucks for the initial release, with single computer licenses instead of family licensing like Apple does?

I figured Apple may do something like this when they announced Lion would not only be 30 bucks, but also the license would cover every single computer you own (at home, not for business.)

I’m cool with it also since the update is bringing some nice system apps. Game Center alone I would had paid 30 bucks for. Up to this day Microsoft still cant translate XBox Live to the desktop properly.

Re:Hear that, MSFT? (2, Funny)

Zocalo (252965) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059609)

Well, they'd have to change a few things to avoid getting sued by Apple. Maybe go after the dog lovers instead of those who prefer cats? Yes, that could work... You could install "Windows 7 SP Shitzu" and really mean it when you say "My PC's running like a dog" or "Man, this new OS is a PoS". Also, anyone who says "It's the dog's nads" would obviously be a paid shill, so it would clear that up too.

Re:Hear that, MSFT? (2)

IHateEverybody (75727) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059637)

Where do you think Apple go the idea? What is Windows 7 if not two years of Vista updates bundled together with a new name and sold for $90?

Re:Hear that, MSFT? (5, Insightful)

guruevi (827432) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059811)

$90? Where do you get your software? Windows 7 from the Windows store is $319.99. Even the stripped version (Home) is $199.99

Re:Hear that, MSFT? (1)

IHateEverybody (75727) | more than 2 years ago | (#39060003)

I'm referring to the upgrade version. Even so, the joke was that MS should steal Apple's business model of offering tiny upgrades for $30 when Microsoft has been making tons of money off that model for years and your example is even better.

Re:Hear that, MSFT? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39060043)

I don't know about him but 'Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium' from Newegg is 99. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

Re:Hear that, MSFT? (1)

beelsebob (529313) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059747)

Yeh, because $30 every year or year and a half for a license covering all your computers is clearly worse value than $200 every 2 years or so per computer.

lockdown coming. (3, Interesting)

God'sDuck (837829) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059375)

"But what if you want to run an older app, or download a utility that was written by someone who hasn't paid Apple's $99 fee for a developer's license? If you're an administrative user, you can Ctrl-click on the App, choose Open from the pop-up menu, enter your OS X password, and tell Mountain Lion to trust this app in the future."

One step closer to all apps needing to come from the app store.

Re:lockdown coming. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059421)

"Enough is enough! I have had it with these motherf*cking walls around this motherf*cking garden!"

Re:lockdown coming. (0, Troll)

Millennium (2451) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059461)

This, pretty much. The OS is set to, by default, spread FUD about apps not coming from the App Store. Being the default, it's as good as there being no other option, because users don't know enough to tell the difference.

Re:lockdown coming. (3, Insightful)

HarrySquatter (1698416) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059525)

Sort of like how Android by default "spreads FUD" about apps not coming from the Android market? Since, you know, you have to check the "other sources" option in order to sideload apps? Yes, even on the vanilla versions of Android from Google it defaults to blocking sideloaded apps.

Re:lockdown coming. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059903)

I'm confused by your response. Besides the fact that Android runs on phones and OS X runs on computers - which I do think is a salient difference - I also don't understand explaining away one company's bad behavior by pointing towards another company that's doing the same thing. I don't see what Android does as being at all relevant to people's frustration with Apple and their move towards rigid control of their platforms.

Re:lockdown coming. (4, Insightful)

HarrySquatter (1698416) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059941)

The point is that when Apple does something no different from Android (which is not called a walled garden) the only response from these whiners is to whine about "walled gardens" when that isn't the implication of this change. This has nothing to do with trying to lock down OS X. It's about giving users control of what applications can be installed.

Re:lockdown coming. (4, Insightful)

pirix (853140) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059919)

I'm confused by your response. Besides the fact that Android runs on phones and OS X runs on computers - which I do think is a salient difference - I also don't understand explaining away one company's bad behavior by pointing towards another company that's doing the same thing. I don't see what Android does as being at all relevant to people's frustration with Apple and their move towards rigid control of their platforms.

Re:lockdown coming. (2)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059963)

Sort of like how Android by default "spreads FUD" about apps not coming from the Android market? Since, you know, you have to check the "other sources" option in order to sideload apps? Yes, even on the vanilla versions of Android from Google it defaults to blocking sideloaded apps.

How dare you bring objective evidence to an Apple argument, sir!!!! :P

Re:lockdown coming. (5, Informative)

beelsebob (529313) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059777)

No, the OS is set to, by default, say "this application is not signed and hence not trusted", it's nothing to do with spreading FUD, it's a legitimate security device –warning users not to run random things that they don't know the origin of.

Re:lockdown coming. (1)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059933)

Not new. It has ALWAYS done this. From way before the App Store in the iPhone itself existed.

Re:lockdown coming. (1)

EraserMouseMan (847479) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059443)

Yep. It's time you Export yourself outside the walled garden. It'll be a strange feeling for a few months. But boy is it liberating.

Re:lockdown coming. (5, Insightful)

HarrySquatter (1698416) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059471)

You mean like that "walled garden" known as Android that has the same user options to only install from the Android market or to allow "Other sources"?

Re:lockdown coming. (0)

DogDude (805747) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059653)

Android is an OS for a TELEPHONE. OSX is an OS for a PERSONAL COMPUTER. They are vastly different devices. It makes sense to have a "walled garden" for a phone, not for a full fledged PC.

Re:lockdown coming. (3, Insightful)

HarrySquatter (1698416) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059801)

It's not a walled garden when it's entirely YOUR CHOICE to restrict where you want apps to only be installable from. If you don't like the default option, click on one of the two other options.

Re:lockdown coming. (0)

Shifty0x88 (1732980) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059701)

Oh god a check box..... it's sooooo difficult.... please help me!

Re:lockdown coming. (2)

HarrySquatter (1698416) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059779)

Exactly. And these are the purported "technically-savvy users" who are most complaining about how they can't figure out a combo box and how to type in their password.

Re:lockdown coming. (1)

beelsebob (529313) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059797)

The point being that going and finding said checkbox, and right clicking and saying "run it anyway" are roughly equivalent actions.

Re:lockdown coming. (3, Insightful)

God'sDuck (837829) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059957)

Oh god a check box..... it's sooooo difficult.... please help me!

Note I said "lockdown coming," not "lockdown here." I'm just pointing out that Apple is very, very smart about social engineering. This is of course very "easy" for technical users to deal with. But many users I support (IT of course, this is Slashdot) don't know how to work System Preferences. A smaller number don't know about control-click. So for those users, applications now have to come from the App Store (or at least be signed). So all commercial application developers will fall in line, not because they have to, but because the incremental cost is small (get a dev key) and the cost of not doing it is huge (grandma can't buy your app).

Once those users are used to the change, Apple will take the next step. By taking baby steps, they can morph OSX into a fully walled garden without much protest, because each step is sooooo difficult that the people that complain are easily shouted down. And then they get 30% of every transaction.

Re:lockdown coming. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059705)

Did he at any point claim Android was better? No? Then what the hell does your question have to do with anything?

Re:lockdown coming. (3, Informative)

Speare (84249) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059715)

You mean like that "walled garden" known as Android that has the same user options to only install from the Android market or to allow "Other sources"?

In the minds of many technically-savvy users, there is a huge distinction between a general purpose computer, and media consumption devices like phones and tablets. In the minds of corporations like Apple, eroding those distinctions helps them sell more media consumption devices and more media to be consumed. There will always be more technically-UNsavvy users than savvy, so they're just following the market. However, that leaves a lot of us out in the cold.

Re:lockdown coming. (3, Insightful)

HarrySquatter (1698416) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059763)

Great, and those technically-savvy users can just click the other option and stop whining. For the average user, this option is great. Is a combo box really that hard for you "technically-savvy users" to figure out?

Re:lockdown coming. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059457)

No, it's an option just like in Android (are you going to claim Android is locked down?) that allows the user to choose to only allow the installation of software only from the App Store or from other sources as well. Frankly, it's a great option to have especially for administering the machines.

Re:lockdown coming. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059923)

You miss the point. It's not about where it presently is, it's about where it seems likely to be headed. I wonder if you'll still defend Apple when/if they do start forcing you to jailbreak your computer before installing outside of the official store?

Re:lockdown coming. (1)

StephenBrannen (2012480) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059473)

"But what if you want to run an older app, or download a utility that was written by someone who hasn't paid Apple's $99 fee for a developer's license? If you're an administrative user, you can Ctrl-click on the App, choose Open from the pop-up menu, enter your OS X password, and tell Mountain Lion to trust this app in the future."

One step closer to all apps needing to come from the app store.

You can also choose as a default setting the ability to install apps from anywhere if you so choose. There really isn't anything nefarious going on here.

Re:lockdown coming. (-1, Flamebait)

HarrySquatter (1698416) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059493)

Yes, there is! Apple is adding a similar option to what Android has had for years to control the source of applications you can install!! LOCK DOWN!! WALLED GARDENS!!! IT'S ARMAGEDDON!!!!

Re:lockdown coming. (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059479)

The convergence of OSX and iOS is nothing new. Just take a look at the Launch Pad in Lion. If the MacBook Air had a flip-able touch screen, you might have have an iPad now.

One App store to rule them all. All five devices under one account that is.

Re:lockdown coming. (1)

grub (11606) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059959)


I've just installed the new Messages app beta on Lion. Sent imessages from my work desktop direct to my iPhone and back.

Pretty sweet actually.

Re:lockdown coming. (3, Interesting)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059501)

One step closer to all apps needing to come from the app store.

OK, paranoid poodle, just how would you balance the attempt to limit damage by stupid endusers who will click on anything remotely interesting? It's basically sudo - 'you sure you want to do this?',yes?, 'OK, it's on your head'.

Although I'm not terribly impressed with Apple's attempt to transmogrify a perfectly good interface for users who typically need prompts to breath, this struck me as pretty reasonable.

Re:lockdown coming. (2)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059551)

Right, so if they try to do something about the supposed security problem (witness, ranting and frothing about Pwn2Own) then they are criticised for "locking down" but if they do nothing.... well, based on stories on here, they'll still be criticised for locking down. Might as well give it a shot eh?

How does this proposed feature indicate that apps must come from the App Store in the future? Sure, you can extrapolate from your two data points, but that doesn't mean Apple will go all the way to "App Store Only" in the same way that extrapolating from "not married on Sunday, married on Monday, married twice on Tuesday" really doesn't work.

There's not enough evidence to suggest that's the plan at all.

Re:lockdown coming. (0, Troll)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059813)

How does this proposed feature indicate that apps must come from the App Store in the future?

It doesn't, but he has to find some pretense for spreading anti-Apple FUD.

Re:lockdown coming. (0)

HarrySquatter (1698416) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059875)

Because it's....APPLE!!! Apple implementing features from other OSes who warn about unsigned applications or allow you to restrict the source of installable applications (none of which are called walled gardens by doing so) clearly can only mean that they want to disallow anyone from installing what they want. IT MUST BE!!!! MY ANTI-APPLE BIAS WON'T LET ME THINK OTHERWISE!!!

Re:lockdown coming. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059561)

Developers can now get a free account to sign applications. Users then have a choice (see this screenshot of the settings [apple.com] whether they will allow App Store only apps, App Store or developer signed apps, or all apps.

I can't see Apple removing the ability to run unsigned apps completely. And besides, if you want to distribute your application to users, why not sign it if it's free to do so?

Re:lockdown coming. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059605)

The developer license for Mac (and confirmed for Mountain Lion over on Daring Fireball) is FREE, and you can sign your apps. Stop spreading FUD.

Re:lockdown coming. (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059991)

I signed up for free last month as part of my new journey into the deep, dark lands of Objective C because I want to program this iPad thing I bought.

I see square brackets in my sleep. Brackets everywhere! Halp!

Re:lockdown coming. (5, Informative)

GrahamCox (741991) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059659)

a utility that was written by someone who hasn't paid Apple's $99 fee for a developer's license

According to Gruber at Daring Fireball, the developer IDs will be issued free of charge. It's only if you want to submit to the App Store that you need to pay $99.

Re:lockdown coming. (1)

Mithent (2515236) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059739)

So, isn't this rather similar to the feature that Windows has had for years that warns you about running downloaded files, except this also requires elevation to run them if they weren't signed?

Re:lockdown coming. (4, Informative)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059755)

To be fair, OSX already tells users not to trust any app that is downloaded from the internet, and asks you a confirmation to run it. If the app attempts to modify certain sectors, access some data, or even save information in some places, you are forced to enter a password to allow the app to do this.

I think this happens every single time the app attempts such modifications. For the most part only installers trigger this password validation now, and they do every time you run them. At least thats where I see them the most often.

This is not new either, has been there since at minimum Leopard (10.5). It appears the main difference here is the need to right-click (or ctrl click) to get the contextual menu that will allow you to open up the app. Makes it harder for people to accidentally click-open malware apps that somehow get downloaded by them clicking on the wrong thing.

windows has stuff like (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059879)

Where downloaded apps have a pop up saying do you want to run this with a check box saying don't ask me again about this app.

Re:lockdown coming. (1)

who_stole_my_kidneys (1956012) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059909)

if your an "administrative user", apple does not like you, they never wanted you, and in all probability they hate you.

AKA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059377)

OSX Cougar.

InB4 haters? (0)

Phasma Felis (582975) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059389)

InB4 haters tripping over themselves to attack this despite knowing nothing about it. SHIT TOO LATE

Re:InB4 haters? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059455)

Thanks for your edifying contribution.

Re:InB4 haters? (1)

Phasma Felis (582975) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059955)

Thank you for yours!

Better watch out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059401)

If this release gets loose near Zanesville, OH it will be shot on sight (don't laugh, it's happened before and we learned our lesson)...

AO MacOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059407)

Sounds a little like AOL....

Introducing Mac OSX 10.8! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059497)

"It still doesn't work well in enterprise!"

Way to go Airplay Mirroring... (1)

ruckerz2k (653900) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059565)

Something to bring "hobby" Apple TV into the mainstream and get rid of those god awful $30 dongles.

Hyperbolic much? (3, Informative)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059571)

"Moreover Mountain Lion adds a powerful new line of defense against future threats where a malware app is prevented from running even if it is deliberately downloaded to a computer"

While having a mechanism for the OS to check and display the cryptographic signature and signing party on an executable before executing it, the notion that this is 'new' seems to stretch credulity. Most Linux distros have been signing packages since shortly after they stopped supporting vacuum tube based systems, and Windows users have been getting little boxes describing(or freaking out about the lack of) 'Authenticode' signatures on drivers, activex controls, and executables for years now...

There are, undeniably, times when Apple introduces novel things, or non-novel-but-polished-to-an-unprecedented-sheen things; but this would not seem to be one of them...

Re:Hyperbolic much? (-1, Flamebait)

HarrySquatter (1698416) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059615)

It was only called "new" within the scope of what OS X has done previously. So for OS X, this is new. Must idiots like you always whine about such things in order to go "BUT LOONIX HAD IT FIRST!!!".

Re:Hyperbolic much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059827)

>It was only called "new" within the scope of what OS X has done previously.

Doesn't this go without saying for every single new feature in the OSX dot release?

Re:Hyperbolic much? (2)

HarrySquatter (1698416) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059913)

Of course. The point was that the idiot above was trying to conflate the statement to mean that Apple is trying to claim that signing executables was their invention when that wasn't even remotely the implication. Then he had to try to through in the lame "BUT TEH LOONIX DID IT FRIST!!!" thing.

Re:Hyperbolic much? (1)

blueg3 (192743) | more than 2 years ago | (#39060051)

Most Linux distros have been signing packages since shortly after they stopped supporting vacuum tube based systems, and Windows users have been getting little boxes describing(or freaking out about the lack of) 'Authenticode' signatures on drivers, activex controls, and executables for years now...

I know you're trying to be funny, but Linux originally didn't support anything older than a 386, which was fairly new at the time.

Relevant to "new", OS X has been doing signature-checking for a while now too. Windows doesn't really warn you about a lack of signature on an executable, though. If it requires administrator privileges, the warning is different. (OS X is more or less the same way -- the admin-rights dialog displays signature information or lack thereof.)

data cost to the iCloud is not free (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059575)

I hope there is a easy way to trun if off before a trip to Canada turns into a 20K + data bill as the system thinks it's a good time to start a backup to the Cloud.

Also you don't need to be roaming to be hit with over the cap fees.

What about resolution independence? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059595)

Text on my 15" MBP with 1680x1050 screen looks too small. I need a way to increase the size of everything like you can do in Windows. So far there's no way to do so in Mac OS X 10.7.

What a strange article (5, Interesting)

SDF-7 (556604) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059613)

The opening paragraph has to be the most rabid bit of product love I can recall, especially compared with the actual content.

"upend the video games market"... Really? Just because the screen (if you have a laptop [aka can use the computer anywhere near your sofa] and the AppleTV box) can be wirelessly mirrored to the TV? And using hypothetical controllers that don't exist? Uh-huh.

"For the consumer market ... may be the most significant OS release since Windows 95". A fairly bold statement, given there's nothing in the article that even tries to back that up. Is the new security model supposed to be that big of a paradigm shift (for users, not for vendor lock-in)? Is it the "ooh... you can post to a blog quicker!" stuff? It pretty clearly looks like a point-release to an existing OS that is mildly interesting, but hardly redefining the consumer space.

Re:What a strange article (2)

Mithent (2515236) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059815)

I agree, it's ridiculous hyperbole. It also declares that "OS X Lion is already the best consumer OS by far. When Mountain Lion ships, it will only increase Apple's lead. Anyone who uses a computer for both pleasure and work won't want to use anything else." Well, we've been told.

Then the actual article talks about such strange decisions as having no Save As... option in first-party applications, and justifies it because there's an improved workaround for that problem in this version.

Not free. (1, Informative)

scubamage (727538) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059617)

iCloud isn't free. 5GB is free, and if you are syncing multiple devices it fills up extremely quickly. Then you have to start paying.

Re:Not free. (0)

JBMcB (73720) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059997)

iCloud isn't free but 5GB is free? What?

Mac OS Xi 11.0 (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059631)

"Elephant" A big, fucking, white, elephant

Normal users shouldn't install just any program... (4, Insightful)

RocketRabbit (830691) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059649)

As much as this review will cause hysteria among the Slashdot crowd (OMG THEY ARE LOCKING OUT CHOICES) I am very much in favor of using the App Store as the default repository. This has two major benefits as far as I see it. First, the applications will actually go into the /Applications folder instead of being run from a mounted .dmg file. Second, applications will actually get updated.

Another benefit is that this move will nip a lot of malware vectors in the bud.

Before everybody gets their panties in a twist, note that you can still install whatever you want after entering an admin user/pass and changing the settings.

I will agree with PC Magazine on a few points though - why the hell does a notepad have to look like a real life notepad? That's just cutesy stupid bullcrap.

Re:Normal users shouldn't install just any program (2)

ifrag (984323) | more than 2 years ago | (#39060027)

First, the applications will actually go into the /Applications folder instead of being run from a mounted .dmg file.

Odd. In my experience most .dmg files I have downloaded have some auto popup showing you that you should be dragging the folder into /Applications (the unmount being assumed I suppose). Or even if the file didn't have the reminder what is stopping you?

Clutter futzing my interface, no thank you. (2)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059667)

So the age of tablets/smartphones/etc is going to result in cluttered desktops too? I already am not a complete fan of the iPad/iPhone icon bloat / cluterfest we have now but I see Apple wants to bring me that same mess to my desktop.

Even better, notifications which apparently want to write to my display but not make use of that convenient Apple bar at top; really - it can display more colors than black on gray - if I get mail just flash the mail icon up there or the like. Since third party apps can use this I hope we get a global opt out

Then comes the walled garden, I wonder what the default will be for new machines coming with Mountain Lion?

I am a little surprised that the dock at the bottom is surviving, been getting worried that its demise is soon.

Interface wise, looks like a spit between white on dark gray and black on white... are the teams not talking to each other?

Hey Apple! There are many things that work well in the device/touch world that need to stay there.

Yearly upgrade cycle. (4, Informative)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059685)

gruber's got a few words on mountain lion. [daringfireball.net] .

Interesting to see Apple's moving to an annual release cycle.

Re:Yearly upgrade cycle. (1)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 2 years ago | (#39060025)

Moving to? [wikipedia.org]

Mountain Lion? (4, Funny)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059703)

Eh. I was pushing for Lion King.

Re:Mountain Lion? (2)

Hieronymus Howard (215725) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059905)

I was hoping for Maine Coon.

Re:Mountain Lion? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39060013)

These crazy California kids are gonna have to resort to some serious big cat name hunting if they carry on like this. Or maybe just downsize it a bit...
OSX 10.9 Fat Ginger Tom anyone?

Social networking? (2)

Megane (129182) | more than 2 years ago | (#39059839)

OS X 10.8 does more to integrate social networking

So does this mean we'll get Facebook / Twitter / Google Plus / Reddit / Digg / Fark / Something Awful / 4chan / EBaumsWorld / B3ta etc. "Share" icons hogging up every window's title bar? So I can "share" the latest crash log with a bunch of mindless blogheads?

That shit is getting real annoying. No I do NOT want to "share" every little bit of random crap I come across on the intarwebs with my "FaceTwatDitPlus friends circle". And now even /. has succumbed to this hipster crap.

the promo sucks wtf (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059841)

A picture of cookies? Steve Jobs hated cookies, the sugary pieces of shit that they are. I'm sorry but I'll never use Android as long as they keep naming it after junk food. "Ice Cream Sandwich" may sound good to some pimply neckbeard in his mom's basement but urban professionals choose to stay healthy. Jobs would have never allowed that fucking bullshit.

Really bad news for consumers. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059877)

I guess this means no security updates for Snow Leopard after the summer, on a MacBook Air I bought a little over a year ago and will therefore be 1.5 years old by the time this comes out.

Thanks Apple.

OSX has jumped the shark... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39059953)

10.6 will be their high point.
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