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WindowMaker Development Resumes, Has First Release Since 2006

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the now-where-was-I dept.

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First time accepted submitter brad-x writes "A new team of developers has recently picked up development of WindowMaker, and they've added many new features, including improved support for the freedesktop standard menu layout and Mac OS X style application and window switching from the keyboard, culminating in a new release, 0.95.2. A basic changelog is available on the newly redesigned website."

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Woooo! (5, Funny)

busyqth (2566075) | about 2 years ago | (#39062425)

I've been waiting anxiously for this for, like, 6 years!!!!

Re:Woooo! (4, Interesting)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about 2 years ago | (#39062687)

So have I—only more seriously. I built a crude imitation of the NeXT UI for Windows in tribute four years ago and I can't live without it. Tiles for icons was a Good Idea.

Re:Woooo! (2)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about 2 years ago | (#39062725)

I think that I first came to "Chips & Dips" in '96 or so, looking for Rob Malda's DockApps - and his Window Maker news.

Re:Woooo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39063305)

You weren't the only one. I came to Slashdot around 1998, I think, but it was originally just because of WindowMaker. Nothing's surpassed WindowMaker yet that I've seen.

Re:Woooo! (1)

riffraff (894) | about 2 years ago | (#39064003)

I can't remember, but it is likely I came here for the same reason. I wrote a patch for wm back then that added scale and tile options for the background, which was accepted (but rewritten). I have been using it for my vnc sessions for a long time. I get good response time with it. Still one of my favorite window managers, and I really like the color scheme.

Re:Woooo! (5, Informative)

ByOhTek (1181381) | about 2 years ago | (#39062877)

Dude, Window Maker is awesome as a light weight desktop system. 3

Aside from compatibility improvements, I say don't fix what isn't broken.

Re:Woooo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39063479)

As someone else using WindowMaker as their primary WM for years I concur. Really need to fire up one of my old pentiums to prove they haven't been letting it bloat with the new features though! (Primary reason I use it is that it's basically the same footprint as it was on my old systems, and it handles multiple desktops MUCH better than pretty much anything else out there.)

Relase? (1)

cshark (673578) | about 2 years ago | (#39062485)

Did you mean release?

Re:Relase? (1, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | about 2 years ago | (#39062525)

Did you mean release?

It's a more technically sophisticated method of distro - sharks with lasers.

and you thought they were only for weapons!

Re:Relase? (1)

cshark (673578) | about 2 years ago | (#39062669)

Cool! I've been meaning to get a laser shark, but my building won't let me put a living room sized tank in. Bitches...

Re:Relase? (1)

jhoegl (638955) | about 2 years ago | (#39062531)

You raelize too much

Sweet (5, Interesting)

gman003 (1693318) | about 2 years ago | (#39062527)

I actually use WindowMaker on my personal dev-server-slash-tertiary-backup-desktop. It's an old piece of junk - Athlon 900 FTW! - but it still runs, and I don't have to worry about breaking anything important.

I've tried various window managers and desktop environments. KDE, even a 2.x release, is too slow. Same for GNOME. Most of the rest are too capability-light for me to seriously use. But WindowMaker hits the sweet spot of "runs fast on old crap" and "is actually usable".

This is the same machine I keep a copy of Firefox 2 on, since anything after that doesn't so much "run" as "walk".

Re:Sweet (4, Interesting)

ByOhTek (1181381) | about 2 years ago | (#39062933)

Prior to upgrading the hardware (2-3 years ago?), I had an old K6-III for my server, and Window Maker was awesome on it. I still use it for the VNC attachable desktop I have running in the background to keep all my projects open so I don't have to restart my apps each time I log in. I don't need anything that lightweight any more, but, it gets the job done well, and doesn't crap out in the VNC "box" like KDE or Gnome.

Re:Sweet (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39063671)

Of course it was awesome on it, nothing else would run well on a machine that old. I love it when Linux nerds talk about their "servers" as if they're running some high-end website taking thousands of requests per day, a high performance machine with multiple cores, 10GB of RAM and enough storage space to mirror everything on Thepiratebay...then proceed to actually _describe_ the system as being the same computer they owned in the 9th grade, beige box and all.

Nothing about your performance metrics are impressive, the only person you're "serving" is yourself and a 386 could serve that purpose by the sounds of it.

You see, unlike you, we know that quality counts (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39064243)

So rather than just throw expense at the problem, we work SMARTER.

Try evolving some time. It's super great.

Re:You see, unlike you, we know that quality count (1, Funny)

H0p313ss (811249) | about 2 years ago | (#39064363)

Working smarter is good

Evolving is good

Staying stuck in 1996 is not

Re:Sweet (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39063885)

Try NX. All you need is a working sshd and it's wayyyyy faster than VNC.

Re:Sweet (2)

dcherryholmes (1322535) | about 2 years ago | (#39063021)

I also have a fondness for some of the more robust WM's in lieu of full blown desktops. I thought WMaker was neat, but Fluxbox is what I really enjoyed. I got lured away by compiz years ago, but I've been thinking of going back because Gnome/Ubuntu is imploding, and KDE is not to my taste. Anyway, check out Fluxbox, if you never did.

Re:Sweet (1)

realityimpaired (1668397) | about 2 years ago | (#39063241)

e17 would be my desktop of choice... entirely modular, so if you just want a basic window manager with nothing else, you can have that, but if you prefer a full blown desktop environment, you can have that, too. What I have mine set up as is somewhere in between... I guess you could call it a desktop environment, in that there is a sort of taskbar/launcher thing and I have a clock and calendar widget loaded, and I have compositing effects turned on, but it's a far cry from what you see from Gnome or KDE these days... even XFCE is getting too bloated for my liking, and it was never as pretty as e17 can be. And it's very light on system resources, too, in part because it's modular and you only need to load the modules you actually use... I've seen it shoehorned in to less than 40MB of RAM quite easily... on the system I'm typing this on right now, enlightenment is using 49MB of RAM, and that's with multiple widgets and compositing effects turned on that don't need to be.

Ultimately, though, it's a question of what works for you. If Fluxbox is to your liking, then awesome. It can be quite nice, too.

Re:Sweet (1)

dcherryholmes (1322535) | about 2 years ago | (#39063369)

It's probably more my fault than E17's, but E16 was the best I could ever get to actually run. I kept trying E17 (years ago), but just couldn't get it to compile, or packages would be broken, or... something. It was always something I eyed wistfully from afar and read great things about, but never got to use. How is it these days? Is it simply apt-getable or emergable (I'm also toying with going back to gentoo since I do not currently hold a position where I ought to be eating my own dogfood on the desktop I'm making everyone else use, i.e. "not gentoo").

Re:Sweet (1)

Teun (17872) | about 2 years ago | (#39063789)

Sabayon has a pre compiled E17 version and it's in the Ubuntu repositories.

Re:Sweet (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39063063)

You may wanna try Midori.

Re:Sweet (1)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | about 2 years ago | (#39063445)

Have you tried Firefox 10? In terms of javascript, it leaves 2.x in the dust. It has also cleaned up long standing memory leaks.

Re:Sweet (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39063663)

Really? I can throw out stable software to use a piece of shit because it's faster in synthetic benchmarks? I'M THERE!

Re:Sweet (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39063689)

AC, please for the love of Pete,
DONT FEED THE TROLLS!

Re:Sweet (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39064221)

Or you could -- you know -- just try it, decide for yourself, and revert back if it doesn't meet your needs.

Re:Sweet (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39064815)

Or I can just not and spend the time fucking your dad's asshole until it looks like a loose-meat sandwich instead.

Re:Sweet (2)

Blaskowicz (634489) | about 2 years ago | (#39063829)

LXDE is fine as a windows 95 clone, it's what I use on a recent piece of junk - VIA C7 1.8GHz. along with firefox 8 which has fast javascript and patched memory leaks. LXDE may feel boring, too conventional and gtk based, but that's you use nowadays if like me you weren't on linux in the good/bad old days, or if you're lazy.

Re:Sweet (2)

MikeBabcock (65886) | about 2 years ago | (#39063929)

OT but I use Blackbox on all my headless servers as a VNC GUI when I need one for the same reasons; its functional and yet very fast with very low memory requirements. On the odd occasion when I need a remote GUI on a server, I can launch 'vncserver' with blackbox in the xstartup and know it will be ready almost instantly with nearly no impact on the server's performance.

Yay? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39062545)

If you really want to make your modern operating system look antiquated, isn't it easier just to go back to doing everything from the command line?

Re:Yay? (2)

mfwitten (1906728) | about 2 years ago | (#39063121)

I thought doing everything from the command line makes one look like a sophisticated hacker...

In truth, though, I believe people made a mistake when they gave up the keyboard in favor of graphical trickery. If you take the time to cobble together a shadow of such a system, it becomes very clear that a keyboard-centric environment is one of the most superior modes by which to compute, because the keyboard is currently one of the most (if not the most) superior modes by which to communicate with a computer when it comes to a panoply of tasks.

As the older people die off, I believe we'll start to see more keyboard-centric environments pop up once again; soon enough, a computing environment for grandma will be targeting someone who has been texting while driving her entire life. Just consider the Ubuntu head-up display stuff; I don't know much about it, but from what I've heard, the return to the keyboard has already begun.

Re:Yay? (1)

TheCRAIGGERS (909877) | about 2 years ago | (#39063605)

GUIs and CLIs are both tools like any other, and some tools are better suited at some tasks than others. I don't think either will go away, nor should they.

Re:Yay? (3, Funny)

Spiridios (2406474) | about 2 years ago | (#39063837)

I'd imagine CLI-only GIMP would really live up to its name.

Re:Yay? (3, Interesting)

larry bagina (561269) | about 2 years ago | (#39064755)

Before starting work on GIMP, Peter Mattis asked [google.com] for input on features and formats.

The first suggestion was to use existing CLI utils, augmented with new CLI utils. (In fairness, there were some other ideas that did make it in and script-fu is similar in spirit to cli apps)

Re:Yay? (1)

mfwitten (1906728) | about 2 years ago | (#39064281)

I'm not talking about GUIs or CLIs. I'm talking about keyboard-centric environments.

Re:Yay? (1)

TheCRAIGGERS (909877) | about 2 years ago | (#39064611)

Fair enough. I would place keyboard-centric as just another tool, however. It's good to have options.

Re:Yay? (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about 2 years ago | (#39063765)

Except for the fact that the "graphical trickery" makes things like graphic design, non-linear video editing, and numerous other tasks far easier than a CLI would be? Just because your tasks are limited to things that a keyboard might be best at doesn't mean everyone does.

Re:Yay? (1)

mfwitten (1906728) | about 2 years ago | (#39064165)

I'm talking about keyboard-centric environments, not non-graphical environments.

In that respect, I disagree with you wholeheartedly with regard to something like non-linear video editing. Even much of graphic design doesn't require, say, the free-hand work of a mouse or some other tool other than the keyboard. Moreover, people who do tasks which necessitate tools other than the keyboard still also perform many tasks for which the keyboard is probably the best input device: Browsing the Internet, instant messaging, sending/receiving email, administrative stuff for their design companies (spreadsheets, graphs, and the like), and the initiation of complex computation (perhaps involving multiple components).

A lot of time is wasted trying to communicate with the computer through a device as limited as the mouse.

Re:Yay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39064609)

A lot of time would be otherwise wasted by people who have no interest in the command line leaning and remembering all of the arcane, assbackwards, and just plain retarded things that command line users have to deal with as well as all of the different ways of specifying options and the different option names given to all of those command line programs.

Take spaces in file and directory names for example. Or the 3+ different ways to specify options to a command line program. Or the fact that grep takes the -m option to limit the number of matches, but head and tail take -n to limit the number of lines.

The GPP's point still stands - for the vast majority of people in the world (read: NOT YOU OR PEOPLE WHO HAVE VERY SIMILAR DAY-TO-DAY TASKS), using a good GUI is a much more efficient FOR THEM than what you do. And FOR YOU, learning and remembering the command line is probably a more efficient use of your time.

Just because something is efficient FOR YOU doesn't mean the same thing is going to be more efficient for others. There is more than one tool in the toolbox, and just because you like to do things a certain way doesn't mean that everybody else should do things the same way. Keep in mind that most people don't really use their computers all that much.

Re:Yay? (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about 2 years ago | (#39064877)

Then you must not do much of it at all then. Having to remember countless arcane keyboard combinations for things that can be more easily done graphically would be a pain in the ass. Again, you can wank to your keyboard only interfaces all you want if that's how you like to work. Most people don't.

Re:Yay? (2, Funny)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | about 2 years ago | (#39063941)

Let's sum up this post:

  1. Using a GUI necessitates giving up the keyboard. Because of shadows.
  2. The keyboard is the best because the keyboard is the best.
  3. You can't wait for the old people to die because, once they're all dead and there are no more old people, CLIs will come back into vogue.
  4. The skill level required for texting while driving is roughly equivalent to the skill level to comfortably use a CLI.
  5. You don't know much about Ubuntu's Head-Up Display, but it heralds "the return of the keyboard", because, and this is pure conjecture but I imagine it must be your line of reasoning because it's the only thing that ... makes sense ... 2012 is the year of Linux on the desktop.

Will the tragedies of the amphetamine shortage never end?

Re:Yay? (1)

mfwitten (1906728) | about 2 years ago | (#39064017)

You are a prime example of why communication is such a rotten business. The amount of misinterpretation/spin in your reply is astounding.

Re:Yay? (2)

MikeBabcock (65886) | about 2 years ago | (#39063955)

I have yet to find a GUI that can replace good old Unix pipes for complex work. I can imagine someone developing a drag'n'drop development system like the old "Forest and Trees" software that works similarly but I can't see any benefit to doing so. As it stands now, I can do *anything* from a command-line and simply *lots* from a GUI. That's why I use lots of terminal windows in a GUI on my desktops ... best of both worlds.

Re:Yay? (2)

Teun (17872) | about 2 years ago | (#39063937)

It looks the way it looks because the rounded corners were already patented by Apple.

Re:Yay? (1)

Bananenrepublik (49759) | about 2 years ago | (#39064613)

I've been using WindowMaker as my window manager since sometime during the nineties. I use it to keep open lots of xterms, a few emacs windows, Thunderbird, Firefox clearly assigned to virtual desktops. That's all I need for work. I tried using fluxbox, but after I had to do post-mortem debugger resuscitations one too many times, I found out that I don't need fluxbox's tabbed windows, and that stability easily is the most important issues for my "focussed window determination software". Every once in a while I fire up whatever KDE's application panel tends to be called that day and see what new apps the admins have installed, but if I need them, I launch them from an xterm. Much easier than looking around the ever-changing start-menu varieties invented by GUI designers.

So yes, except for moving focus between windows IMO everything is easier done from the command line.

Expo and Scale (2)

wirelessdreamer (1136477) | about 2 years ago | (#39062599)

if window maker supported Expo and Scale for window management like in OSX or Compiz I'd Gladly switch.

Re:Expo and Scale (1)

Unknown Lamer (78415) | about 2 years ago | (#39062633)

In a more perfect world there would be a protocol for compositors and window managers to communicate so you could implement such things in a single place instead of reimplementing it umpteen times in each environment :(

Re:Expo and Scale (1)

Millennium (2451) | about 2 years ago | (#39062657)

Isn't this basically what xcompmgr and cairo-compmgr (despite their current apparently abandoned state) use?

Re:Expo and Scale (3, Interesting)

Unknown Lamer (78415) | about 2 years ago | (#39062951)

xcompmgr was always just the demo/reference compositor... IIRC it had (still has?) memory leaks... cairo-compmgr almost works but for whatever reasons goes out to lunch whenever changing display settings (I might have a laptop and external monitor so that makes it really, really unusable for me).

Unfortunately things like Expose can't be implemented in an external compositor now (at least not in a flashy or particularly usable way)-- there's no way for the window manager to say "hey can you do this fancy animation crap for me". AFAICT there is only a window property that communicates the translucency level of a window available. The same goes for fancy iconization effects, graying out unfocused windows, wobbly dragging, etc.

And so every window manager ends up having to implement its own effects using its own internal protocol... it's a hard problem figuring out the needed common ground (especially when GNOME and KWin both appear to be actively divorcing themselves from X11). I've always wondered how hard it would be to at least make Compiz a library that other window managers could integrate (some construction needed) to gain compositing and effects... but I'd rather whine about how CLIM had a transformation and frame management protocol in 1995 that could do all of this without radical replumbing like X11 does ;)

Re:Expo and Scale (1)

wirelessdreamer (1136477) | about 2 years ago | (#39062685)

i dreamed of that world back when I used Enlightenment 0.16

Re:Expo and Scale (2)

realityimpaired (1668397) | about 2 years ago | (#39063389)

e17 has that. It's part of the "composite" module. Load it, and set up a binding to launch the pager... perhaps different names for it, but essentially the same effect. I have mine set up with edge bindings on the screen... I put the mouse in the bottom right, it launches the "scale pager", which is essentially an expo-like desktop switcher. I put it in the top left, it launches scale for all windows on the current desktop, and bottom left is bound to scale for all desktops.

Surprisingly light on resources, too. Despite having the desktop compositor loaded, as well as a calendar widget, a clock widget, and a few other desktop blingy things, enlightenment itself is only using 49MB of RAM on my system as I type this. And there's some truly beautiful themes in existence for it, giving it the potential to be an absolutely gorgeous system, while still being very easy and intuitive to work with.

There's even a few distros built around e17 as their core offering... my personal favourite (and the distro this laptop has installed) is Bodhi Linux (http://bodhilinux.com)

WindowMaker is awesome. (5, Interesting)

Strahd von Zarovich (1055172) | about 2 years ago | (#39062613)

Personally, I've used WindowMaker since the early '00s, and I'm still sticking to it. As a power user, I find its customization abilities extremely helpful. Also, I like that it's sticking to what it does best -- window management -- without eating up most of my CPU and GPU resources and bloating my memory. That's great news, keep up the good work!

Re:WindowMaker is awesome. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39062999)

without eating up most of my CPU and GPU resources and bloating my memory

Sadly there's no real valid option for that, either.

My kingdom for hardcore Enlightenment development to resume!

They're gonna be sued! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39062617)

"Mac OS X style application and window switching from the keyboard".

Too bad, looks interesting.

Re:They're gonna be sued! (1)

armanox (826486) | about 2 years ago | (#39064549)

Except Window Maker predates Mac OS X...

Is WindowMaker still relevant? (3, Interesting)

Hatta (162192) | about 2 years ago | (#39062641)

I never "got" WindowMaker. I gather it was good back in the day, when docks were kind of a special feature. But these days even Fluxbox has support for dock apps. So why WindowMaker?

Re:Is WindowMaker still relevant? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39062777)

Sometimes all you want is a window manager. You don't need an integrated file manager, dvd burner or media player. WindowMaker is tremendously fast, stable and memory efficient.

Re:Is WindowMaker still relevant? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39063333)

So which part of that argument was against using the fluxbox windowmanager (Not Desktop Environment) instead of windowmaker?

Re:Is WindowMaker still relevant? (2)

mbkennel (97636) | about 2 years ago | (#39063729)

The WindowMaker look and UI (being NeXTSTEP and not some hacker's idea) is pretty good.

Re:Is WindowMaker still relevant? (2)

Hatta (162192) | about 2 years ago | (#39064145)

I played with Windowmaker back in the day. It didn't seem particularly special to me. I think I particularly hated that awful paperclip in the corner. When Blackbox came out, I was all over that. It was fast, spartan, easy to configure, and supported dock apps.

What I'm really asking here is what's the actual benefit of doing things the NeXTSTEP way? I don't get it.

Re:Is WindowMaker still relevant? (1)

Brian Feldman (350) | about 2 years ago | (#39063827)

Indeed. I actually can't wait to try dropping KDE for Window Maker once again. BTW, did they revert the name or something, to remove the space again? I haven't RTFA yet.

Re:Is WindowMaker still relevant? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39063053)

For the same reason as any desktop environment/window manager that isn't the default shipped with your distro: because it's what you like.

One release in 6 years? (3, Funny)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 years ago | (#39062677)

Man, I do not envy the person who has to clean up that mess...





(Yes that was a sex joke)

Newly redesigned website? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39062705)

The old one looked like a website from 1999, the new one looks 1996

Re:Newly redesigned website? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39062759)

(Sent from my iFag Device)

cool (2)

larry bagina (561269) | about 2 years ago | (#39062763)

WindowMaker (now Window Maker) was the first X11 window manager I liked, after having used CDE (shudder), fvwm95 (double shudder), bowman, and AfterStep.

Congratulations and thanks to everyone involved.

They will definitely have a niche.... (3, Interesting)

cyberkahn (398201) | about 2 years ago | (#39062779)

With a lot of people unhappy with the direction Gnome 3 and Unity are going. WindowMaker is a nice light window manager. It's what I use to use until active development stopped. I will look at it again for sure.

Re:They will definitely have a niche.... (2)

tthomas48 (180798) | about 2 years ago | (#39063757)

The only problem is those people are anti-change. So a *new* release of WindowMaker won't work for them either.

Re:They will definitely have a niche.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39063969)

Keep telling yourself that.

Re:They will definitely have a niche.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39064039)

The use interface of Window Maker did not change in this release (apart from adding a few more keyboard shortcuts to manipulate windows, like the left/right maximization). And it won't change in the future too. Most people use wmaker now just like they used 10 years ago, and that's not going to change.

You won't have surprises.

Re:They will definitely have a niche.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39064455)

Yeah, sure. WindowMaker is a good replacement for a full-fledged desktop like Gnome. You just have to disable what you don't need.

1990 Called (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39062791)

1990 called. They want their website back.

Re:1990 Called (5, Funny)

Beelzebud (1361137) | about 2 years ago | (#39062961)

I know! Where is the flash content, and the social media scripts, and tracking cookies that we have all come to love in this modern era!

Why? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39062821)

This is _exactly_ what the OSS/Linux community needs to get more converts onto Linux on the Desktop. I mean, who doesn't spending three hours figuring out a new graphical interface every time they switch employers or use a friend's computer?

In all seriousness, one of the primary reasons why Windows is still king shit on the desktop is that it provides a (relatively) consistent interface. There is no consistent interface with the Linux world.

This is exactly the reason why I predominantly use the command line on *nix systems. Seriously, people think I'm some kind of Linux expert at work, so I get a lot of questions on "how do I do X on Linux". I am then faced with a system running some random distro and some random desktop environment, and almost always fire up a command line and get complaints that it looks too complicated (usually one-liners, proxy settings, mounting drives/images etc.). I look them in the eye, and say, "You asked me how to do it, and I'm showing you the ONLY consistent way to do it using Linux".

OSS DOES NOT NEED MORE GUI's. It needs ONE that's really, really good. Until that happens, it will always be only for nerds.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39063281)

OSS DOES NOT NEED MORE GUI's. It needs ONE that's really, really good.

It's got one -- WindowMaker!

Nooooo! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39062833)

Argh! Careful! It's that choice [redhat.com] thing again! Kill it with fire!

Seriously: I never used WindowMaker. Still: my sincere and cheerful "welcome back".

Re:Nooooo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39062903)

Argh! Careful! It's that choice [redhat.com] thing again! Kill it with fire!

Seriously: I never used WindowMaker. Still: my sincere and cheerful "welcome back".

To bad, Window Maker, AfterStep and E16 are really the only unix like window managers left in the linux world. What with KDE and Gnome having jumped off the cliff in the stupid dream of catching "windows" users.

All hail to virtual desktops and focus follows mouse !!!!

Re:Nooooo! (3, Interesting)

Unknown Lamer (78415) | about 2 years ago | (#39063227)

Since Window Maker has had pretty bad multi-display support, when I got a new laptop a summer or two ago I looked for replacements and discovered ... Sawfish is alive too [wikia.com] . I'm using it now with xfce-panel and gnome-session (2.x since 3.x hates me) and it's pretty tolerable (supports all of the new window hints and session management stuff ... giving me something that's almost as reliable as what I had with Window Maker a decade ago). I really, really miss the dockapps [unknownlamer.org] though... the network and cpu monitors available nowadays blow and I've never really gotten over now having a dock app to control my music player ("media keys" get the job done but you get used to doing things a certain way when you've done them that way for a decade and all).

wrong (3, Funny)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about 2 years ago | (#39062855)

No this would be the second release since 2006. 0.95.1 was released 2.5 weeks ago.

Re:wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39064285)

Win 95.2... is this the release that adds USB support?

Great for people who like to get things done (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39062899)

I've tried all the window managers at one time or another, but I always seem to return to WindowMaker,

It is simple, and it allows me to manage my windows easily and without fuss.
I can drop monitoring/chat/music/etc apps on the side of the screen without excessive configuration,
and it lets me get on with my work, which is why I use a computer. I program for a living, and I enjoy it.

I don't need the overhead of a window manager (even Windows 7 GUI seems slow in comparison).

Nostalgia. (1)

Radical Emu (1305047) | about 2 years ago | (#39062911)

Ah the memories. As they're not very clear I'll ask: couldn't you run this alongside Gnome 1.x, so you had the task bar and the dock? I used to use WindowMaker about 12 years ago, even had LiteStep & WindowBlinds on my Windows box to emulate it as much as possible. When Gnome 2 disappears completely I'll be in the market for a new/old window manager, I might just have to go back in time a bit!

Sweet!! (2)

SCHecklerX (229973) | about 2 years ago | (#39063091)

I've missed the elegance and flexibility of Windowmaker and have always wished that it had stayed current. Looking forward to having a great way forward vs. that unity garbage!!

development has been going of for a while now (2)

C0vardeAn0nim0 (232451) | about 2 years ago | (#39063101)

i've been following the development for more than a year. i've even contributed a fix for a null pointer exception on the menu editor.

the only news for me is to see it back on the news. which is a great thing in the sense that it'd bring awareness to this great desktop manager.

i've tried using KDE, gnome, several *boxen to name a few, but i always go back to windowmaker.

the killer featuer to me is the automatic cascading of new windows. i often need to open more than a dozen terminal windows to do my job, and having them cascaded across several virtual desktops is a helluva lot more eficient than any other method (and no, tabs don't work for my workflow)

Re:development has been going of for a while now (1)

Quicker31 (2576019) | about 2 years ago | (#39063295)

I agree. I also tend to move back to WindowMaker. It just feels right.

Next up: Blackbox (2)

debrain (29228) | about 2 years ago | (#39063173)

WindowMaker has a special place in my heart, right next to BlackBox [sourceforge.net] . I still look at them and go "cool".

I hope someone revitalizes BlackBox, too. It was just plain neat.

Re:Next up: Blackbox (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | about 2 years ago | (#39063993)

As I posted elsewhere in this story, I still use Blackbox regularly. Its fast and simple and works very well for what it is -- and the menu configuration is quite simple too. The only WM I miss using regularly is Enlightenment -- I haven't tried a release in over a year but back on 0.95 and 0.96 I was really thrilled with my GUI in a way that I haven't been since. Here's hoping 1.00 lands before we leave this rock ;-)

Re:Next up: Blackbox (2)

Hatta (162192) | about 2 years ago | (#39064227)

Have you tried Fluxbox? It's a fine modern alternative to BlackBox.

Cool (5, Funny)

itomato (91092) | about 2 years ago | (#39063313)

I have a bunch of art updates I'd like to push. Real Media or ICQ, anyone?

Good (1)

Grindalf (1089511) | about 2 years ago | (#39063643)

There is a list of x-windows type interfaces that used to ship with lin at around 2000 that were just dropped in favor of KDE / Gnome, etc. I like the idea of putting the choice back into distros, with complete object model inheritance so that all the apps run. Non trivial task?

what do the little squares do? (1)

Blaskowicz (634489) | about 2 years ago | (#39063651)

I remember using afterstep on damn small linux and found the little squares confusing, esp. when launching an app resulted in twice the little squares, one of which seemingly functioned as a task bar button. maybe the point it for it to look cool. well, I liked it better than OSX.

Really? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39063797)

That's amazing. What are they going to add next, a built-in messenger for ICQ support? Anyone who was stuck on Windowmaker has very likely moved on to GNUstep by this point, and barely anyone uses either of them. It's like posting a news story about the HURD or whatever abomination they're labelling an Amiga these days, the amount of people who actually give a shit is so stunningly small that you wonder why it was posted in the first place. You aren't just beating a dead horse talking about it, the horse has turned to bones and dust and you're laying down machinegun fire at the patch of ground it rested on at this point.

At least there's no chance of this article being sponsored like the rest of the veiled advertisments the BoingBoing-reject editors are posting here. No one developing for Windowmaker is making any kind of money.

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39064637)

No one developing for Windowmaker is making any kind of money.

So what ? The alternatives are giant clusterfucks like KDE/Gnome and Unity.
As long as people use Window Maker and developers for whatever reason enjoy hacking on it its all good.

My favourite (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39064019)

wmaker has always been my favorite window manager for all times!

Yay! (1)

bytesex (112972) | about 2 years ago | (#39064067)

Yay! I've always *loved* Windowmaker.

Menu integration with Gnome (1)

Quicker31 (2576019) | about 2 years ago | (#39064209)

I found a script a long time ago that would generate a WM Menu based off the gnome menu. It's really nice and I have it as the Applications menu in my WM setup.

#!/usr/bin/python -tt
# This has been adapted from Luke Macken's OpenBox menu generation
# script.

import gmenu

def walk_menu(entry):
if entry.get_type() == gmenu.TYPE_DIRECTORY:
print '"%s" MENU' % entry.get_name()
map(walk_menu, entry.get_contents())
print '"%s" END' % entry.get_name()

elif entry.get_type() == gmenu.TYPE_ENTRY and not entry.is_excluded:
print '"%s" EXEC %s' % (entry.get_name(), entry.get_exec())

print '"Fedora" MENU'
map(walk_menu, gmenu.lookup_tree('applications.menu').root.get_contents())
print '"Fedora" END'

I've used it for years! (1)

nicestepauthor (307146) | about 2 years ago | (#39064239)

I was and still am a fan of WindowMaker, for all the reasons others have given. Lately I've switched to GNOME because I find myself constantly mounting thumb drives and DVDs, etc. In the old days there was a wmmount app for the dock that did this, and you set up your fstab so the mount points were all defined. These days I don't configure fstab. I'll have multiple USB drives plugged in and GNOME will just assign the mount point a name based on the volume label and mount them. If WindowMaker could do this I'd give up GNOME and never look back.

WindowMaker also makes it really easy to create themes and backgrounds for your desktop and switch them. Switching backgrounds in GNOME is a much bigger deal to go through.

In related news... ...amiwm! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39064277)

amiwm was refreshed in the summer of 2010. Prior to that release the code hadn't been updated since the late 1990's or thereabouts.

http://www.lysator.liu.se/~marcus/amiwm.html

wmfire (1)

davek (18465) | about 2 years ago | (#39064673)

I love WindowMaker. Monitors are square, therefore my persistent icons and helper apps should be square also. It's the best way to manage desktop real estate. And it's lightening fast. I'm very gracious that the project continues on.

wmtop, wmblob, wmcalclock, wmjazz, wmbinclock, wmchess, wmcube, wmtetris, wmgrav, I can't get enough!

Now, if only I could find a version of `wmfire` that actually works, I'd be 100x more productive!

Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39064723)

Window Maker was "THE" thing years ago ... used it from early 2k to 2005

I actually tried it some time ago, but ubuntu didn't like it :(

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