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A Memory of Light To Be Released January 8, 2013

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the photonic-release dept.

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First time accepted submitter Hotawa Hawk-eye writes "Tor Books has announced that the release date for the final volume in the Wheel of Time series of books, A Memory Of Light, will be January 8, 2013. [Barring a Mayan apocalypse, of course.] The fantasy series, started by Robert Jordan and continued by Brandon Sanderson after Jordan's death, will span 15 books and over 10,000 pages."

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Praying for (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39067221)

the Mayan apocalypse..

Re:Praying for (4, Informative)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067577)

the Mayan apocalypse..

Hey, come on. The last book was pretty good. Sanderson kicked up the pace, didn't devote three entire pages to a description of the trim on a dress (and then two more pages on the fabric).

I'm actually happily anticipating the book. Of course, it's good that this particular adventure will end. Enough IS enough.

Re:Praying for (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067715)

yeah.. I don't care if Sanderson wrote the epic to end all epic; getting through the other books is an exercise in stupidity.

they are all great 350page novels stretched to 1200 page.
He needs an editor that learned their chops under Ben Bova.

Re:Praying for (4, Insightful)

Digital Vomit (891734) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067999)

I am *so* glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. The first couple of books were great, but then they really started to drag on and on with all kinds of meaningless details on what people were wearing or what they were thinking which did exactly nothing to advance the story or make the characters interesting. It got so bad that, by the ninth book, I discovered that I could just quickly skim the first and last sentence of every paragraph and literally not miss anything important.

I abandoned the series halfway through Winter's Heart. I just couldn't force myself to read through that garbage anymore. Such a shame. The series stared out with such great promise.

Now, if you want a *solid* fantasy series from start to finish (that's not quite so heavy), check out The Death Gate Cycle by Margaret Weiss and Tracey Hickman. Fantastic series with great character development and interesting situations.

Re:Praying for (1)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068223)

I will put this here so I remember to look up The Death Gate Cycle later.

I agree, this series has been dragging on forever.

Re:Praying for (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39068741)

I enjoyed a lot of the detail and scattered events, it made Jordan's world alive. I like nearly every book in the series, but books 9 and 10 were pretty bad about page after page of nothing happening. Nine ends well, but 10 is just horrible, and its one of the shortest books in the series. I do think Sanderson has done a pretty good job of finishing the series out.

I never really liked Weiss and Hickman, their independent stuff or their Dragonlance stuff. They are too whimsical (sentient laser crossbows anyone?). They do have a lot of fans so maybe its just me.

Re:Praying for (1)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068841)

Huh. I share the same opinion on Sanderson, books 9 & 10 of WoT, Weiss, Hickman, and Dragonlance. Wait. Did I write this post?

Re:Praying for (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39067919)

Don't forget the page & a half every time a female character tugged her braid while feeling irrationally superior to a male character.

Mayan Apocalypse (5, Funny)

neoshroom (324937) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068407)

There will be a Mayan Apocalypse. The Mayan Apocalypse is not the beginning. There are neither beginnings nor endings to the turning of the Wheel of Time. But it was a beginning...

*sigh* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39067231)

Thought it had something to do with RAM.

Can't wait! (1)

TimmyRt (1354547) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067243)

I was having a google just last night to find out when it was coming. I can't wait!

Re:Can't wait! (1)

nitehawk214 (222219) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067353)

I was having a google just last night to find out when it was coming. I can't wait!

You should probably have a doctor look at that.

Re:Can't wait! (1)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067637)

At your service.

Re:Can't wait! (1)

errandum (2014454) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067797)

Don't get excited, I'm sure they'll conclude that there is too much to tell in one book and separate it into two volumes, making sure the cash co... the books keep going.

Looking forward to it (5, Insightful)

gweihir (88907) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067257)

After Sanderson took over the books have tremendously improved, almost back to the initial volumes.

Re:Looking forward to it (4, Funny)

Dyinobal (1427207) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067431)

Sanderson is one of those terrible authors who can't seem to not write a best seller. I'd be jealous if I wasn't enjoying his books so much.

Re:Looking forward to it (1)

Rostin (691447) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067705)

I know what you mean. I remember that after reading the preface of the first of the WOT books he wrote, I didn't know whether I was going to be able to continue. I held my nose until the literary equivalent of olfactory fatigue set in, and now I'm actually looking forward to the final installment.

Re:Looking forward to it (3, Informative)

demonbug (309515) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067669)

After Sanderson took over the books have tremendously improved, almost back to the initial volumes.

I both agree and disagree. Sanderson certainly brought back the pacing from the early books, which is nice (since that means the series will finish). And he has a great respect for the series and is a good writer in his own right, so I really don't think there is anyone better they could have picked to finish it up.

On the other hand, Sanderson is not as good technically, lacks most of the subtlety, and tends to use lots of neologisms that just don't fit. It will be nice to finally get it finished (hell, I've been reading the series since circa 1993 or 1994), but it is a pity that Jordan didn't manage to finish off the series in his lifetime.

Oh, if anyone wants the Cliff-notes version rather than going back to read all 10,000 pages before the final book comes out, here [tor.com] is a fairly voluminous re-read that might actually have a chance to be completed before Memory comes out now that it has been pushed back.

Re:Looking forward to it (1)

tnk1 (899206) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068221)

It is almost a testament to how the books started to drag that he literally died before he could finish it. While admittedly he died younger than he should have, if a series takes almost two decades to finish, without stopping, it's probably been going a little too long.

Re:Looking forward to it (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067723)

"almost back to the initial volumes."

that's a pretty low bar.

Re:Looking forward to it (1)

gweihir (88907) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067779)

You may disagree, but I don't think so.

Re:Looking forward to it (1)

errandum (2014454) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067781)

Yes, since you don't like it then it is a bad book. Everyone knows that (:

Sadface (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39067277)

Next year makes me sad. I liked Q2 2012 much better. Oh well.

Re:Sadface (1)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068121)

After the editing job on the last two books, I'm personally glad for this extra time. It's been 23 years. I can wait another 6 months.

Finally (5, Funny)

cforciea (1926392) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067285)

We can finally get an official count on the number of times somebody tugs on a braid or smooths a skirt in the series.

Re:Finally (1)

mattie_p (2512046) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067359)

Or sniffs, or Mat Cauthon says "Blood and Bloody Ashes." Or we hear about the wind blowing.

Re:Finally (2)

Zelucifer (740431) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068171)

Minor nitpick, the wind blowing is one of the most important themes in the series. It has an extremely strong connection with the wheel turning.

Re:Finally (2)

tnk1 (899206) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068275)

Yes. Things like the braid or Mat's favorite curse phrase are mannerisms that certainly should have continued throughout the series, as that is part of their personality, but we probably only need to be reminded of them maybe once or twice a book.

Still, I will say this much, I'm never going to forget what stories the irascible, braid pulling Aes Sedai is in.

Re:Finally (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39068827)

That's one of the things that makes the series great, I think. Every character has such a well developed personality, right down to habitual mannerisms, that they seem like people you actually know. It always made the mysterious characters stand out, too - he didn't describe them as thoroughly.

Re:Finally (3, Informative)

Kjella (173770) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067445)

In all fairness, there's been a helluva lot less of that since Brandon Sanderson took over. In fact, I think the series has much improved overall since he took all those loose threads and have been tying them down, it may have taken him 3 books and almost a million words - 25% of the total length of the series - but he's done it. I was more than suspecting that Robert Jordan would never get around to doing it or would do so poorly, since the only thing he seems to know is to start new subplots and side arcs while milking the fans and if he hadn't fallen ill and died I suspect it would have continued. Sucks for him of course, but I suspect the series didn't get any worse for wear - in fact possibly quite a lot better.

Re:Finally (2)

wbr1 (2538558) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067681)

I agree completely. The series started with so much promise, but Jordan continued to open plot-line after plot-line while rarely resolving anything. By the time I realized that I was so invested in the series I had to continue ans there were elements of excellence, and I wanted to know how things ended.

All told though it should be a huge improvement over Goodkind. That series started well, and had a couple of amazing books. However the last several books got so repetitive as to be annoying. It seemed like a contest to see how many characters could say the same thing in 100 different ways in each chapter.

One can also hope that the ending is better as Goodkind copped out with the oh, I am an all powerful war wizard I can do anything ending. TIt was so lame I wanted to punch Goodkind in the face after reading good knows how many pages, the last third at least was weak as hell to have shuch an anti-climactic ending. Please, please, please Sanderson, don't do the same.

Re:Finally (1)

shurikt (734896) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068687)

Or crosses their arms beneath their breasts.

Year of the Dragon (4, Interesting)

ShakaUVM (157947) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067291)

As the Tor announcement stated, it will take place at the end of the Year of the Dragon. Cool beans.

I got to get dinner with Sanderson and Harriet Jordan on the Gathering Storm book tour. They're both very good people, and are the right people to be finishing this series.

I have no idea how Sanderson could possibly wrap up all the loose threads in just one more book, but if anyone can do it, he can.

Re:Year of the Dragon (3, Insightful)

Bradmont (513167) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067383)

Wrapping up loose ends at the end of a series? I thought that fad was euthenized by Lost.

Let me tell you how it ends (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39067307)

A bunch of sniffing. About 50 pages of clothing description. Oh and a bunch of moronic idiots blathering about instead of talking with each other.

Re:Let me tell you how it ends (1)

dasunt (249686) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067363)

Let me tell you how it ends

A bunch of sniffing. About 50 pages of clothing description. Oh and a bunch of moronic idiots blathering about instead of talking with each other.

But does it have neeps?

Re:Let me tell you how it ends (1)

squidflakes (905524) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067461)

No. Nor does it have onions or mashed turnips.

Yay, now we get Sanderson back! (4, Insightful)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067339)

This is great. Now we can get Sanderson back on his own stuff. More Mistborn! And maybe the sequel to Way of Kings. Sanderson is one of the best fantasy writers alive today. It will be good for him to go back to his own, very original stuff. His own works are much more groundbreaking than Jordan's. So for example, in the Mistborn books he's been far more willing to play around with the tech level of "fantasy" universes. His most recent book in that universe, "Allow of Law" is excellent and essentially amounts to a demonstration that contrary to common belief, fantasy worlds can have guns and not suck.

Re:Yay, now we get Sanderson back! (1)

Brucelet (1857158) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068013)

More Mistborn! And maybe the sequel to Way of Kings.

Actually, the order is going to be a sequel to Way of Kings, and then maybe more Mistborn.

Re:Yay, now we get Sanderson back! (1)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068141)

Last I heard he was planning on hitting book 5 of Stormlight before starting the "real" second Mistborn trilogy. There might be other novellas though.

Re:Yay, now we get Sanderson back! (1)

Brucelet (1857158) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068971)

This is true, but I suspect he'll do something akin to Alloy of Law before then.

Re:Yay, now we get Sanderson back! (2)

billtom (126004) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068613)

Don't count on it. George R. R. Martin is going to die before he finishes Song of Fire and Ice. So Sanderson has job security there.

Summary please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39067361)

Even the wiki summary was too freaking long. Someone sum this series up in one sentence please.

Re:Summary please (4, Funny)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067389)

Fucking Epic.

Re:Summary please (5, Funny)

berashith (222128) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067403)

kid finds out he is magic && author discovers he can milk 4 books into 9 && author gets a divorce and hates women && author discovers he can write even more books without moving the plot along && author dies without finishing the story.

Re:Summary please (0)

McKing (1017) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067727)

I wish I could "Like" this post. Summed it up perfectly. I stopped after book ten and I have have no intention of ever giving these books another thought.

Re:Summary please (1)

tnk1 (899206) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068313)

Well there is a little Facebook icon here for you to publish the link. Then you can like it on your own FB page.

You can thank me later.

Re:Summary please (4, Funny)

aevan (903814) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067439)

A bunch of man-haters try to kill male magic users because they go crasy. One reincarnated guy get magic, picks up a harem and adds pool cleaner to the magic well. Meanwhile sniffing in disdain, clothing derumpled and beards being stroked fill the books while female chauvinism abounds.

Think I made it to book..six? seven? before failing to care.

Re:Summary please (2)

aevan (903814) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067459)

Crap. Didn't see the one sentence part! Just replace all periods with semicolons or something :P

Re:Summary please (3, Funny)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067539)

It's okay. I got the part about how he discovers magic and gets a harem.

That's all I need. I'll give the first book a shot :)

Re:Summary please (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39067557)

You'll be disappointed. None of that happens in the first book.

Re:Summary please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39067791)

I'm with you. I also stopped around six or seven when it became obvious that the series was stagnant and wasn't going to end for at least another six or seven books, but that was over a decade ago. After seeing this article, I just Wiki'd the plot summaries for the ones I missed and was amazed at how little action he could get out of a thousand pages and a decade (or more?). It's unfortunate, as I've heard that the Sanderson books are a lot better than the later Jordan books, but at this point I have better things to do than slog through thousands of pages of bad writing to get to a few good books. I'll either wait for the "Abridged Wheel of Time" or the movie deal, and lacking that just settle for reading a plot summary on Wikipedia plus the last chapter of the last book in the library.

Re:Summary please (2)

squidflakes (905524) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067455)

The first three volumes were Lord of the Rings without hobbits. The volumes after that were a meandering sequence of events punctuated with braid-tugging, skirt-smoothing, sniffing, and the most voluminous descriptions of regional fashion.

And I liked the books.

Re:Summary please (1)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067563)

Reminds me of the original The Princess Bride by S. Morgenstern. At least how that book is described :)

Re:Summary please (1)

squidflakes (905524) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067585)

Here I will unashamedly admit, that's exactly what I was thinking about when I wrote the comment.

Re:Summary please (1)

tnk1 (899206) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068363)

So there is hope to get a reasonably decent movie out of WoT then? I imagine you could easily use actual editing to turn all 10,000 pages into a 90 minute movie. The braid pulling and skirt smoothing could be done at the same time lines are actually delivered. It's like parallel processing for literature. Genius!

Re:Summary please (4, Interesting)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067881)

I have to disagree, I specifically liked the series because it's as different from LotR as you can get while still being an epic fantasy.

Count the number of times the words "wizard" or "magic" appear in the books. Then go hunt down the amount of terrible, terrible, terrible songs and poetry. Jordan purposefully avoided the hyper-nerd stuff, and actually gave us a story with interesting, capable main characters, instead of a story where the "heroes" essentially stumble their way to victory because they're so utterly useless.

I know the "ordinary people extraordinary things" is appealing to some people, and art is always a subjective thing, so please don't take it as if I'm literally saying the books are awful--I know they're probably great (except for the poetry, that stuff was flat-out terrible and the subjective rule of art be damned), I just use hyperbole to make my points and personally didn't like them.

And if you didn't like LotR the same as me, you might like WoT.

Re:Summary please (1)

squidflakes (905524) | more than 2 years ago | (#39069007)

I read WoT all the way up to book 8, but just couldn't get past it. Not for lack of quality, just lack of pace.

Did you miss the part where I said I liked it? I thought they were really great books at the time, and I still do, I just hit my personal limit.

As for my LotR comment, I read LotR again right after I finished book 3 of WoT, and damn if the opening bits weren't exactly the same.

Re:Summary please (2, Insightful)

Kjella (173770) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067515)

Even the wiki summary was too freaking long. Someone sum this series up in one sentence please.

This is not the book series you're looking for, move along now.

Doorstops (5, Insightful)

ZahrGnosis (66741) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067427)

Robert Jordan's books redefined the level of crazy that I will accept from an author. They're fantastic writing, a wonderful, deep, involved storyline, but come ON, the length is way too self-indulgent and unnecessary. The story is nowhere near as complicated (or worthy) as, say, FOUR Lord of the Rings trilogies, but it's substantially longer. The sadness is that it is comparably well written -- length notwithstanding.

I'm currently using four of the books as monitor stands (I actually won't go so far as to use them as doorstops).

More importantly, though, this has changed the way I'll read connected books or watch TV shows. I fear the abandoned story line too much now, and I blame Robert Jordan. "Heroes", the TV show, was a similar letdown... I waited until "Lost" was finished, for fear of it falling into the same pit as "Heroes", and nearly did the same thing with "Battlestar Galactica".

Is there a name for this? Can we call it the "Robert Jordan" effect? -- the situation where you get too involved with an author or storyline and they just go on forever or (no disrespect) die?

And the expanding-storyline theme is amazing. Eight Harry Potter Movies? Really? Five Twilight movies? I love a good trilogy, and (other than the quality of the prequels) appreciate that the Star Wars trilogies are built so that you can watch the original without needing the rest to complete the story. Many authors have interwoven stories and worlds... How many books did Terry Pratchett write? Many of which made reference to one another, but at least they each had an individual story arc. The Ender's Game series is similar... Terry Brooks' series can be read in myriad configurations of trilogies and tetralogies.

ugh... the Jordan series is fantastic in many ways and I'm very glad to see it completed -- I hope the finale lives up to the series -- but please noone ever do this again, or at least give good warning so that we can avoid going down the path until it's complete.

Re:Doorstops (5, Informative)

Dripdry (1062282) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067465)

I hate to say this, but George R R Martin is a fat, old, unhealthy man with 8-12 years of writing still to finish his particular series.

Re:Doorstops (2)

themightythor (673485) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067531)

I haven't started the "Song of Ice and Fire" series yet as a result of this and the Jordan Effect (as coined by grandparent poster). Which is too bad because I hear it's phenomenal.

Re:Doorstops (0)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067633)

It is. You should get started.

The Jordan effect is the result of his estate.

Re:Doorstops (3, Funny)

Hey_bob (6104) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067565)

While GRRM isn't my bitch.. I certainly hope Sanderson picks up where GRRM left off. If for no other reason than to finish the series in a timely manner.

Perhaps we need to kickstart a "Lets make Sanderson our bitch, to finish up GRRMs work" thinger?

Malazan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39067685)

Read The Malazan Book of the Fallen, two authors writing their own miniseries with the primary author (Steven Erikson) having already finished writing the 10 novel main series and planning to write 2 more 3 novel miniseries! Plus it's awesome.

Re:Doorstops (1)

tnk1 (899206) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068425)

Yes. And since he has now become involved in a TV series... which is now quite faithfully rehashing the first few books... he may well redefine the effect as the Martin Effect.

That said, it is a damn good series, if you can handle what is essentially a fantasy soap opera, with gigantic cast of characters, multiple parallel storylines, and everything.

Re:Doorstops (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39068931)

Yes, but now they're making a TV show out of it (they're covering more-or-less 1 book per season), and he swears he's gonna keep up/ahead of them.

And I almost believe it. Again. Fool me twice, won't get fooled again, and all that.

Re:Doorstops (1)

yodleboy (982200) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067593)

this was what turned me off to the series, and I'm an avid sci-fi/fantasy reader. It just was tooooo much. It was like one of those people that takes 20 minutes to tell a story that could be told well in 5 min. Tangent must have been his favorite word, or maybe he was payed by the letter? Kick backs from paper companies? I don't know the answer, but he makes a Stephen King novel seem like a magazine short story. Anyway, it's a shame because they seem well regarded, but the more books he released the more of a beating it seemed to get up to speed.

Was just thinking the Cliff's Notes version of Wheel of Time would be as thick as the first book : ).

Re:Doorstops (4, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067615)

Not to worry, with a 5 digit UID it's unlikely you'd live long enough to have another author Jordan a series like that.

Re:Doorstops (1)

Karth (14680) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068241)

Dude. I'm 32. I could make it through TWO jordans.

Re:Doorstops (1)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067617)

And the expanding-storyline theme is amazing. Eight Harry Potter Movies? Really?

I know, right? There were only seven books!

Re:Doorstops (1)

MikeMacK (788889) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067733)

...but please noone ever do this again, or at least give good warning so that we can avoid going down the path until it's complete.

Someone did do it, the right way. Steven Erikson and the Malazan Book of Fallen. Epic, big (10 very large books) and very well written, and yes, even complete. It can be done. You just need the right writer.

Re:Doorstops (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39068963)

Terry Goodkind did it as well. The Sword of Truth is 10 books long, each book is about 700-900 pgs., and its complete. Damn good series too.

Re:Doorstops (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067813)

"They're fantastic writing, "
no, it isn't

"a wonderful, deep, involved storyline,"
not, it isn't .. unless you mean predictable and dry.

"but it's substantially longer. "
no, the story isn't. Is poor writing and needles detail means more words, but the whole story could have been done in 5 400 page novels.

I'm glad you enjoy the book. I'm not saying you shouldn't, but just because someone enjoys something, doesn't mean it's good.
Fro Example: I like Escape from New York. I watch it every couple of years. It's is not a good movie. Fun, and an interesting perspective on gritty for the movie era.

" this has changed the way I'll read connected books or watch TV shows."
it broke you. With TV, you kind of have to live in the now, because even the best show can get cancelled.

Re:Doorstops (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39068551)

Thanks for the post. I truly enjoy reading criticisms from someone that usually can't write coherently, and sometimes can't manage a single sentence post without error.

Re:Doorstops (2)

Kjella (173770) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068017)

You make it sound like getting to the end is a chore and the end is the reward. Perhaps you should enjoy the journey more and obsess less about the destination? I didn't exactly need a crystal ball to know Lord Voldemort was going to be defeated knowing the age bracket they aimed for, whether it's in three movies or in eight. The kind of movies where the bad guys more or less win is reserved for movies like "Man on Fire" or "Sin City". If you were sitting there waiting for the final epic battle of good vs evil and drumming your fingers "get on with it" you missed.... well, everything. The only stories that get me down are those that put the main plot on hold and go off doing everything else, and there Robert Jordan sinned a lot.

There were at times *at least* five primary plot threads for Rand, Matrim, Perrin, Egwene and Nynaeve and it's just too many. Even worse he'd continue to spin into subplots of minor characters like Thom, Aviendha, Tuon and so on until there was ten stories running and you could barely remember the last one by the time it came back into rotation. If you look at LotR - which can also get fairly long-winded at times - it never split up into more than two story threads, Frodo's party and the war efforts. In Jordan's style the whole fellowship would have been split up and he'd tell Frodo and Sam's story, Merry and Pippin's story, Gandalf's story, Aragon's story, Legolas' story, Gimli's story and Boromir's story as separate plot lines with side arcs for Elrond, Arwen, Eowyn and then some.

Re:Doorstops (2)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068217)

Huh. I enjoyed the splitting up. I felt it gave characters who normally wouldn't be investigated their own chance to shine in a way that they just can't when they're always playing second fiddle to the godlike protagonist.

Having read the thing cover-to-cover at least three times, I'm probably not the most objective judge about how hard the plotlines are to follow, but I don't remember ever having a problem except when I took a year or two break between books. It's definitely not something you can pick up again when a new book comes out without a refresher.

Re:Doorstops (1)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068299)

If you look at LotR ... In Jordan's style the whole fellowship would have been split up and he'd tell Frodo and Sam's story, Merry and Pippin's story, Gandalf's story, Aragon's story...

I think you might wanna go back and read those books again.

Re:Doorstops (1)

pluther (647209) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068377)

In Jordan's style the whole fellowship would have been split up and he'd tell Frodo and Sam's story, Merry and Pippin's story, Gandalf's story, Aragon's story, Legolas' story, Gimli's story and Boromir's story as separate plot lines with side arcs for Elrond, Arwen, Eowyn and then some.

That actually sounds like it would be pretty awesome.

Maybe I'll have to check this series out...

Re:Doorstops (2)

Mark J Tilford (186) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068265)

TvTropes refers to this as the ChrisCarterEffect.

Re:Doorstops (1)

SteveFoerster (136027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068569)

I fear the abandoned story line too much now, and I blame Robert Jordan. "Heroes", the TV show, was a similar letdown... I waited until "Lost" was finished, for fear of it falling into the same pit as "Heroes", and nearly did the same thing with "Battlestar Galactica".

BSG... so an ending is required, but it can be a stupid ending? (I loved, loved, loved the series, but the ending really blew.)

ugh... the Jordan series is fantastic in many ways and I'm very glad to see it completed -- I hope the finale lives up to the series -- but please noone ever do this again, or at least give good warning so that we can avoid going down the path until it's complete.

I know what you mean. I do wish that authors in mid-series would make it a point to put notes about the ending in a safe deposit box to ensure fans aren't left hanging should they die prematurely. I'm glad Frank Herbert left "Dune 7" notes behind, for example.

So.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39067477)

It's almost as long as the Baroque Cycle then?

Goddamn you, Tor (2, Funny)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067479)

First it was supposed to be one book; then Tor realized they could go the Harry Pothead/Twitlight direction and 'enhance their revenue' by splitting it into three. OK, whatever.

Then, they push the publish date of the second book back to coincide with the Christmas holiday (because, you know, the people who haven't read the other 11 books at this point are TOTALLY going to buy this one for Christmas anyway!), even though Sanderson had the book finished and edited by the end of July. Oh yea, and no eBook; 'fuck you, Jordan fans!' Well, shit. Whatever.

Finally, they tell us the final book, which some people (my wife) have been waiting over a decade for, will come out in Summer 2011... no, Fall 2011... wait, make that Holiday 2011... just kidding, really it will be spring 2012... OK, Fall 2012... now Spring 20-fucking-13??? Fuck you to, Tor. Fuck you right up your greedy goatse asses.

I swear, if Tor published anything else actually worth reading, I'd be seriously considering a boycott at this point.

Re:Goddamn you, Tor (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067625)

And yet you will buy the book.

So exactly WHY should they change?

Re:Goddamn you, Tor (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067635)

No e-book?

huh? [amazon.com]

Re:Goddamn you, Tor (1)

wbr1 (2538558) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067755)

First it was supposed to be one book; then Tor realized they could go the Harry Pothead/Twitlight direction and 'enhance their revenue' by splitting it into three. OK, whatever. Then, they push the publish date of the second book back to coincide with the Christmas holiday (because, you know, the people who haven't read the other 11 books at this point are TOTALLY going to buy this one for Christmas anyway!), even though Sanderson had the book finished and edited by the end of July. Oh yea, and no eBook; 'fuck you, Jordan fans!' Well, shit. Whatever. Finally, they tell us the final book, which some people (my wife) have been waiting over a decade for, will come out in Summer 2011... no, Fall 2011... wait, make that Holiday 2011... just kidding, really it will be spring 2012... OK, Fall 2012... now Spring 20-fucking-13??? Fuck you to, Tor. Fuck you right up your greedy goatse asses. I swear, if Tor published anything else actually worth reading, I'd be seriously considering a boycott at this point.

Eh, I have to disagree. I do not care who the author is, to close a series off as convoluted and with as many sub-plots and arcs as the Wheel of Time in a satisfactory way would take more than one book. That is the fault of the previous author, not Sanderson. Sanderson is actually doing an excellent job of finishing the series. I started reading it with the wonder and suspension of disbelief I had early in the series, rather than the tedium of the latter half.
Besides, if you really want to wait ages for books in a series, pick up the George R. R. Martin books. Excellent books, but what was it, a 5 year wait between Feast for Crows and Dance With Dragons? Really? When half or more of 'Dance' was cut out of 'Feast' for length reasons?

Re:Goddamn you, Tor (1)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068031)

GRRM is great if you love reading about all the various forms rape. Underage rape, gang rape, sibling rape, it's all there.

Re:Goddamn you, Tor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39068507)

Although not necessarily obvious from the quite well developed young actress playing the part of Danerys in the TV show, GRRM is quite clear on the fact that Loli does in fact like it in the books.

Re:Goddamn you, Tor (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068309)

First it was supposed to be one book; then Tor realized they could go the Harry Pothead/Twitlight direction and 'enhance their revenue' by splitting it into three. OK, whatever.

Well kinda. The problem is one book doesn't cover all the lose material. Unless you want to have another book to cover that, in which case you're still left with another book. The problem is, Jordan was a verbose writer. Even the publisher knew that. I believe during his initial writing contract he asked for two books. And they put in six, might have been four. But regardless, there's not much you can do when you're up to your asshole in material, unless you want to cut something out.

Then all you're left with is angry fans, pissed off people, and all the rest. Then again, you could always deal with the "mass effect, effect" you know the last book which is so bad that it makes a big ol' bag of snot look good.

But I thought... (2)

Mercano (826132) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067553)

But I thought there were no beginnings or endings to the Wheel of Time?

Sanderson's been doing a wonderful job; his stuff has probalby been the best we've seen since book five or six. (Yes, there were cool bits here in there in 7-12, but they're diamonds in a whole lot of rough.) I'm sort of sad we don't get a few more Sanderson books.

Re:But I thought... (1)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068085)

Read The Way of Kings. I love me some WoT, but I think The Stormlight Archives (TWoK series name) has the potential to be even better. And judging from his latest novel, Brandon Sanderson's writing made a huge jump in quality since he started on WoT.

hmmm (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067611)

" will span 15 books and over 10,000 pages."
awesome..to bad it's only about 3000 pages worth of material...

But... (1)

Thuktun (221615) | more than 2 years ago | (#39067969)

...will there be arms folded under breasts, tugging of braids, and rampant male/female miscommunications?

Synopsis (1)

F34nor (321515) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068005)

1st book great, 2nd book OK, 3rd book readable, 4th on... wait who the fuck is this character I forgot about 3 books ago, shit I really don't care anymore.

Re:Synopsis (1)

tnk1 (899206) | more than 2 years ago | (#39068555)

I made it to book nine before I flamed out, but I have a *very* good memory and it was still touch and go for a long time before that.

The REAL reason for the books ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39068343)

Robert Jordan was working out his personal demons and own life philosophy by creating an entire sequence of interactions.

The writing is inconsistent, often boring in the later books save for action sequences, somehow masterfully compelling ... in contrast to the commentary on the give and take between the sexes.

No big surprise given the authors background, really. .. and the fact that his wife was editing.

He no where near touched on creating the universe Tolkien did. He dominates nothing in that regard and i hate seeing that quote on his books.

FINISH HIM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39068477)

Sanderson, please release me from this story. I made the mistake of getting addicted to the first book and I've been waiting for something to be resolved ever since. The end of the 12th book was really good and for me and Rand a cloud had been lifted. I am intrigued by the "flash forward" that Avendha experienced at the end of the 13th book.

BUT IT'S TAKEN ME 10,000+ PAGES TO GET HERE!

and? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39068891)

This is blatant advertising. There are more series with a page count like that.

On top of that, the entire story could have been told in one book, but it has been stretched to 10.000 pages.

There is nothing new about the series. It all comes down to "some fantastic omg über wizard saves the world." I have read better stories about something like that which spanned less pages.

Nothing new here, move along now.

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